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Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Edgy MD May 27 2020 09:31 PM

In the clash of "Everything's awful and justice is under assault and we've got to take to the streets," and "Taking to the streets has every possibility to make things worse," a scary-but-perhaps-inevitable tipping point is reached in one of the unlikelier places. https://breaking911.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/George-Floyd-Protest-696x386.png> https://stmedia.stimg.co/1590619353_08-1011070200+06FLOYD052820.jpg?auto=compress&crop=faces&dpr=2.625&w=412> https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909630/2020/05/GettyImages-1215368205.jpg?w=1500> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZEXK4RXsAMkCqQ.jpg> https://stmedia.stimg.co/1590621691_08-1011070200+10FLOYD052820.jpg>

LWFS May 28 2020 01:41 AM Re: Minneapolis

THE OUTRAGE! That AutoZone could be SOMEONE'S SON

Lefty Specialist May 28 2020 05:24 AM Re: Minneapolis

Cops need to figure out a way to not kill unarmed black people.

MFS62 May 28 2020 06:01 AM Re: Minneapolis Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 28 2020 07:18 AM

This is what Colin Kappernick knelt for, and America was more outraged at that. (There's a picture of Colin and the Minnesota cops side by side, but I couldn't copy it here for some technical reason) Later

Johnny Lunchbucket May 28 2020 06:02 AM Re: Minneapolis

Minneapolis has had a bad time with race issues for a while. Big divisions in the city itself and of course the white people don't really live there, they just work there

TransMonk May 28 2020 07:14 AM Re: Minneapolis

Lefty Specialist wrote: Cops need to figure out a way to not kill unarmed black people. Yup. 100% This. The other problem is that white idiots have been protesting COVID shutdowns for weeks with guns and cops have been looking the other way. When POC show up to protest a murder the tear gas and riot gear comes out.

kcmets May 28 2020 07:17 AM Re: Minneapolis

Hard to imagine the neck kneeler gets away with this. I'm close enough to giving up anyway, but if he skates I give up...

Edgy MD May 28 2020 07:59 AM Re: Minneapolis

I think he'll sink like a stone. The real question to me is the folks who had his flanks. Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Minneapolis has had a bad time with race issues for a while. Big divisions in the city itself and of course the white people don't really live there, they just work there Where are the hipsters? St. Paul?

kcmets May 28 2020 08:51 AM Re: Minneapolis

Edgy MD wrote: The real question to me is the folks who had his flanks. Seems they're equally guilty.

Edgy MD May 28 2020 09:03 AM Re: Minneapolis

I hear ya, but the law can be really fishy about that sort of thing.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 28 2020 09:12 AM Re: Minneapolis

Edgy MD wrote: I think he'll sink like a stone. The real question to me is the folks who had his flanks. Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Minneapolis has had a bad time with race issues for a while. Big divisions in the city itself and of course the white people don't really live there, they just work there Where are the hipsters? St. Paul? I think so. And in "Dinkytown" wherever that is. I'm mostly talking out of my ass as I've only been in Minny 2x, but one visit was to a grocery store in the depressed north Minneapolis area which iirc had been the scene of race related tensions not long before

MFS62 May 28 2020 09:34 AM Re: Minneapolis

I was there once, on business, 30 years ago. Four things I remember: 1) It was f*n cold (15 below zero) 2) The car rental agency didn't provide an ice scraper, so I had to use, and ruin, my company ID badge to clear my car's windshield. 3) I stayed at the Sofitel Hotel, the only one I had ever been in other than in Paris. 4) I Didn't see many African-Americans, but they did tell ethnic jokes, and the "eth" they told them about were Norwegians. Later

Edgy MD May 28 2020 09:53 AM Re: Minneapolis

Wisconsiner jokes they tell in Minnesota is another thread indeed.

kcmets May 28 2020 10:25 AM Re: Minneapolis

How many Wisconsiners does it take to fry a walleye? *ducks avoiding a TransMonk-flung sneaker*

MFS62 May 28 2020 10:34 AM Re: Minneapolis

=kcmets post_id=37539 time=1590683127 user_id=53] *ducks avoiding a TransMonk-flung sneaker*

Why would anyone throw a sneaker at a duck? (I think I beat Ben to that one)

Later

TransMonk May 28 2020 09:02 PM Re: Minneapolis

LOL, it's Wisconsinites, KC.

LWFS May 28 2020 11:32 PM Re: Minneapolis

"Radical Left Mayor." "THUGS." "When the looting starts, the shooting starts." As per his usual... so, so helpful.

metsmarathon May 29 2020 07:01 AM Re: Minneapolis

his dog whistles keep getting louder.

Edgy MD May 29 2020 07:20 AM Re: Minneapolis

I'm surprised not only to see the protests spreading to other cities, but to see mixed-race crowds on the front line. That's partially, I'm sure, a byproduct of the cameras having an easier time getting closer to white and mixed neighborhoods. But also, there are a lot of angry, unemployed young white people in America with more time on their hands and less to lose every day. My fear is that the next escalation will be a weekend warrior deciding to self-police with his AR-15 and firing into a crowd.

kcmets May 29 2020 08:20 AM Re: Minneapolis

=TransMonk post_id=37567 time=1590721374 user_id=71] LOL, it's Wisconsinites, KC.

I even took time to look it up and settled on Wisconsiner but you would

know better than Merriam. What about Sconnie? Read both good and bad.

TransMonk May 29 2020 08:23 AM Re: Minneapolis

Sconnie is my preference. And if anyone is rolling through, I'll serve the fried walleye. :)

Johnny Lunchbucket May 29 2020 11:31 AM Re: Minneapolis

Some video out there purportedly of non-move-aligned infiltrators escalating property damage

Ceetar May 29 2020 12:02 PM Re: Minneapolis

other cops. the murderer has apparently been arrested now, for his most recent murder.

Lefty Specialist May 29 2020 12:20 PM Re: Minneapolis

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Some video out there purportedly of non-move-aligned infiltrators escalating property damage Yes, this is a magnet for all kinds of protesters. And Russian bots are working overtime to stir things up, too.

Lefty Specialist May 29 2020 12:27 PM Re: Minneapolis

=Ceetar post_id=37583 time=1590775320 user_id=102] other cops. the murderer has apparently been arrested now, for his most recent murder.

This is also bad news for Amy Klobuchar. She declined to prosecute this very same officer when he was involved in a previous shooting and she was district attorney. She can forget about that VP nod if Biden doesn't want black people to stay home in droves.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2020 12:30 PM Re: Minneapolis Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 29 2020 12:35 PM

Good. Jeez, that's just what the wimpy Dems don't need: Amy Klobuchar one bad heartbeat away from the Presidency. Maybe then, with the Dems back in power, she'll press the Senate to reinstate the judicial filibuster so that the Dems would need 60 instead of 50 votes to replace RBG.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2020 12:34 PM Re: Minneapolis

And those violent protests -- good! They should bomb 20 police stations because they're not gonna bring about any change by being polite. If a cop won't call out a fellow cop for police brutality -- which they never do, then they're not good cops They're just cops who do good things once in a while. But everything good they do is tainted. If a cop won't call out a fellow cop for police brutality, then they're all vigilantes who decide who dies at their hands and who doesn't --all at their whim.

Edgy MD May 29 2020 12:37 PM Re: Minneapolis

"Never" is a tough card to play. The officer is under arrest, and plenty have called him out.

MFS62 May 29 2020 12:39 PM Re: Minneapolis

Lefty Specialist wrote: Yes, this is a magnet for all kinds of protesters. And Russian bots are working overtime to stir things up, too. I thought there were too many white faces in a neighborhood that has been portrayed to be heavily African-American, and some agitators have been brought in by right wing groups to incite things as red meat for the pro- Trump media. Later

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2020 12:39 PM Re: Minneapolis Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 29 2020 12:44 PM

Edgy MD wrote: "Never" is a tough card to play. The officer is under arrest, and plenty have called him out. Cops called him out? His fellow cops? The cops who were two and a half feet away from the incident and had the best view in the world about what really happened? If it weren't for video, the poor dead bastard would not only be a poor dead bastard, but on top of that he'd be smeared and vilified for god knows what bullshit the cops would've invented to justify their unjustified homicide. Which is what happens every single time.

Edgy MD May 29 2020 12:41 PM Re: Minneapolis

No, that's not what I wrote. Those cops have been fired, and thankfully can no longer call themselves cops at all. It'll be hard to prosecute them criminally, but I sure hope someone tries.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2020 12:44 PM Re: Minneapolis

Edgy MD wrote: No, that's not what I wrote. I know you didn't write that. I was asking, granted it was rhetorically -- because I'm not interested in members of the public calling out the dirty cops. They always do in these rogue incidents, but without the video, without much success.

Edgy MD May 29 2020 12:48 PM Re: Minneapolis

Yes, but plenty of cops have. I know about the thin blue line, probably as much as or more than most people, but I've also known officers who have crossed it.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2020 12:53 PM Re: Minneapolis

The number of "plenty" cops who've crossed the thin blue line is so statistically miniscule that the only mathematical conclusion to be drawn from the numbers is that there is institutional covering-up on a grand historical scale. Which any reasonably sentient open-minded and non-biased person should recognize anyways just from following the news. I mean ... jesus .. the odds ... the randomness ... the incidents ... there should be more cops crossing that line by orders and orders of magnitude.

kcmets May 29 2020 02:43 PM Re: Minneapolis

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=37590 time=1590777294 user_id=68] And those violent protests -- good! They should bomb 20 police stations because they're not gonna bring about any change by being polite.

Maniacal, deranged and so disturbing that anyone would type that here in our

teeny tiny corner of the interweb. I'm sick to my stomach.

MFS62 May 29 2020 02:53 PM Re: Minneapolis

Lefty Specialist wrote: This is also bad news for Amy Klobuchar. She declined to prosecute this very same officer when he was involved in a previous shooting and she was district attorney. That may be one of this Russian bots at work, trying to smear her. She was just on tv and said she was in the Senate at the time and had no involvement in the case. Later

kcmets May 29 2020 03:39 PM Re: Minneapolis

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=37590 time=1590777294 user_id=68]They should bomb 20 police stations because they're not gonna bring about any change by being polite.

According to a quick wiki search there are 9 police stations in Minneapolis,

maybe it's 8 now so you have some wiggle room and you can implore them to

take out St Paul too maybe. My guess is that would be about 2000 cops, civilian

employees, detainees and innocent bystanders. All gone, in the spirit of no longer

wanting to be polite. Crazy talk.



It's not a video game where if things aren't going your way you just blow shit up

until you win or the 'Game Over' flashes on the screen.

Ceetar May 29 2020 04:17 PM Re: Minneapolis

no one was harmed in the riots, besides HUNDREDS OF PROTESTERS. no one was killed except INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE. if they take down a few brick and mortar police station, all the better. No one's talking about murder, except the cops of course, who even released a statement saying there was 'more evidence' that more evidence? supposedly a heart condition. Which imo only makes it worse. It's certainly not an exoneration. abolish the police. done with it, it's all a scam. The NYPD stopped enforcing minor crime for a while as a 'protest' and the city actually got safer. There's an argument for peace keepers, folks without guns that provide a presence, direct traffic, etc, but what we got now? the extension of slave patrols? it's garbage.

kcmets May 29 2020 04:38 PM Re: Minneapolis

Take down a few brick and mortar who cares, more crazy talk.

MFS62 May 29 2020 05:03 PM Re: Minneapolis

=Ceetar post_id=37603 time=1590790664 user_id=102] No one's talking about murder, except the cops of course, who even released a statement saying there was 'more evidence' that more evidence? supposedly a heart condition. Which imo only makes it worse. It's certainly not an exoneration.

It has been reported that the officer and the victim had worked at the same place. If so, he may have known that the victim had health problems and therefore a good DA can convince a jury that the actions WERE foreseeable. Not quite pre- meditated, but sure darn close.

Later

Willets Point May 29 2020 05:51 PM Re: Minneapolis

Considering that Biden opposed desegregation, wrote the Crime Bill, and forced his fingers into his employee's vagina, I'm sure Klobuchar is looking awesome to him right now. The Democrats have basically conceded the election to Trump. But at least Sanders or Warren won't have a chance to bring sOcIaLiSm to the White House, so the Democrat Establishment goals have been fulfilled.

LWFS May 29 2020 07:43 PM Re: Minneapolis

Lefty Specialist wrote: Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Some video out there purportedly of non-move-aligned infiltrators escalating property damage Yes, this is a magnet for all kinds of protesters. And Russian bots are working overtime to stir things up, too. The video JCL meant? [YOUTUBE]ERhMCeLr1bg[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD May 29 2020 08:18 PM Re: Minneapolis

Is that Roger Stone with the umbrella?

Edgy MD May 29 2020 08:22 PM Re: Minneapolis

Couldn't a few hours go buy without an elected fuck pouring gasoline on our burning republic? https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1266514505451921410/photo/1

ashie62 May 29 2020 09:00 PM Re: Minneapolis

That is beyond sick

LWFS May 30 2020 12:09 AM Re: Minneapolis

=kcmets post_id=37598 time=1590785021 user_id=53] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=37590 time=1590777294 user_id=68] And those violent protests -- good! They should bomb 20 police stations because they're not gonna bring about any change by being polite.

Maniacal, deranged and so disturbing that anyone would type that here in our

teeny tiny corner of the interweb. I'm sick to my stomach.


I don't mean to jump on you here, but yours is a POV I've heard in a few places.



It sounds radical to your ears, I know, but... um... it's not like burning police stations was the FIRST choice for starting meaningful discourse on this. If someone's been ripped off repeatedly by the same business, would you suggest that they keep trusting the management of said business to resolve the matter for them? What if the thing being stolen was, like, many, many years of young human life?



When a system-- and its actors/defenders/apologizers-- repeatedly shows that it values the architecture-- literal and figurative-- over lives, it follows that the only way to get sustained, real attention may be to ding the architecture.

kcmets May 30 2020 04:25 AM Re: Minneapolis

Jump all you want. Blowing up 20 police stations is carnage I'm not interested in even imagining. Hundreds of innocent people would die. If that's what some of you here are selling, I want no part of it and will try to look the other way and stay out of it.

batmagadanleadoff May 30 2020 05:08 AM Re: Minneapolis Edited 4 time(s), most recently on May 30 2020 05:39 AM

It took bloody carnage to end slavery. It took bloody carnage to enforce Brown v. Board and the Voting Rights Act and to end Jim Crow. The time to act politely to put an end to these scumbag cop executioners is long over. It was long over probably before I was even born, but that's just me. The butcher's bill is coming and it's long overdue. And there'll be another one eventually for the one tenth of one percent of the nation that has most of the money. If not for bloody carnage, slavery would still be legal. You think they're gonna stop these scumbag killer cops and the scumbag cops that enable them and cover-up with clever repartee over tea and biscuits? We had an openly racist Attorney General and now; a corrupt AG who's really the President's personal attorney ,,, a DOJ that's undoing consent decree orders entered into under Obama against racist police forces. ...a judiciary that's undoing all of the progress MLK and the Civil Rights movement made 50 and 60 years ago ... poll taxes in Florida -- a slave state -- and a racist president whose dogwhistles are getting louder and louder by the day. They should blow it all up. You dont have to walk on eggshells for fear of your life when you get pulled over for exceeding the speed limit by five or ten MPH.

Lefty Specialist May 30 2020 05:22 AM Re: Minneapolis

I don't advocate violence against buildings or anything else. But it's clear that when black people are involved, police tend to overreact, and when white people are involved, police tend to under-react. Imagine if this were a black person: https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/05/PDTF/5969fca5-0205-428e-9821-78e50dc1f654-GTY_AFP_1QX44Z.jpg?width=540&height=&fit=bounds&auto=webp>

batmagadanleadoff May 30 2020 05:26 AM Re: Minneapolis

Nobody wants violence. I don't. But violence is what it's gonna take. I'm just observing and predicting.

ashie62 May 30 2020 05:37 AM Re: Minneapolis

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFLDXtNGBSg[/YOUTUBE]

Frayed Knot May 30 2020 01:41 PM Re: Minneapolis

"A woman was charged with the attempted murder of four NYPD cops after hurling a Molotov cocktail into a marked, occupied police van in Brooklyn, authorities said."

Gwreck May 30 2020 02:46 PM Re: Minneapolis

I saw that. The person arrested is from Catskill, NY. In Greene County, 125 miles away. Minneapolis has apparently had similar troubles, eg. people coming from outside the state to deliberately to to provoke violence against protestors.

Edgy MD May 30 2020 03:26 PM Re: Minneapolis

How much should I make of that? After years of conspiracy mongering from the right, claiming that mass shootings are done by false flag actors trying to bring down the second amendment, has it really come to the point where right wingers are in fact perpetrating false flag crimes? After a decade or more of calling bullshit on the former situation, how much should I be buying into the latter situation. And are there both right wing fascisti and left wing anarchisti embedding themselves into protest groups?

Frayed Knot May 30 2020 03:39 PM Re: Minneapolis

Unless there's some information out there that wasn't in the initial report of this that I read, that she and her sister (arrested for trying to interfere with the first arrest) are from outside the area doesn't designate their purpose in the protest. It stands to reason that people who come from outside could be doing so with the intent of provoking police (or National Guard) into reacting against protesters but they could also have come to be part of the protest as well. And, absent info to the contrary, I'm not sure that leaving yourself open to multiple murder and/or attempted murder charges (did she know in advance that the bomb wouldn't ignite?) are the actions of one stealthily looking to get others into trouble.

MFS62 May 30 2020 03:46 PM Re: Minneapolis

No matter who is doing what to whom, the pictures of the turmoil can help nobody but Trump's people. He can point to his supporters and say he will protect them by using force, unless he wants to build walls to keep "those people" from downtown cities. And he'd promise to make the people yearning for fairness to pay for them. Later

LWFS May 30 2020 05:00 PM Re: Minneapolis

A chance to look strong for the base after essentially abdicatinf his duty in the face of a national crisis? Oh, it's ABSOLUTELY playing into his hands. (See also: Nixon's Law and Order/Silent Majority business, after the war he helped stoke turned nastier... a Roger Ailes stratagem, btw.)

LWFS May 30 2020 05:04 PM Re: Minneapolis

Edgy MD wrote: How much should I make of that? After years of conspiracy mongering from the right, claiming that mass shootings are done by false flag actors trying to bring down the second amendment, has it really come to the point where right wingers are in fact perpetrating false flag crimes? After a decade or more of calling bullshit on the former situation, how much should I be buying into the latter situation. And are there both right wing fascisti and left wing anarchisti embedding themselves into protest groups? Let the facts lead you. I've seen video hinting strongly at the latter. The former is fueled by Alex Jones and his ilk, and the supporting documentation tends to be less... reliable.

MFS62 May 30 2020 05:45 PM Re: Minneapolis

There have been stories going back to the Civil Rights marches in the 60's and the anti-war demonstrations in the 70's that the FBI inserted agents in with the protesters with the purpose of inciting violence in demonstrations to put those movements, and their leaders, in a bad light. It would not surprise me if the current DOJ was doing the same. Later

ashie62 May 30 2020 07:08 PM Re: Minneapolis

Antifa is certainly in the mix. JUST VOTE BLUE

ashie62 May 30 2020 07:28 PM Re: Minneapolis

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSOHkW_MnPc[/YOUTUBE] Different era, same idea

Lefty Specialist May 30 2020 07:28 PM Re: Minneapolis

=LWFS post_id=37654 time=1590879644 user_id=84] A chance to look strong for the base after essentially abdicating his duty in the face of a national crisis? Oh, it's ABSOLUTELY playing into his hands.

This is why he's provoking things. He wants a race war. That way he doesn't have to talk about 100,000 people dead due to his incompetence.



And it's how they think he gets those white suburban women back. Trust me, someone's game-planning this in the White House right now.

Edgy MD May 30 2020 09:58 PM Re: Minneapolis

=LWFS post_id=37655 time=1590879861 user_id=84]I've seen video hinting strongly at the latter. The former is fueled by Alex Jones and his ilk, and the supporting documentation tends to be less... reliable.

I've seen it too. And while I have no doubt that the latter is bunkum, I'm shy about drawing too many conclusions about the former, as compelling as the currently available evidence may be.



I believe Mystery Umbrella Man has already been roundly misidentified once already, and by people in my feed who I've felt safe in believing are nobody's fools.

Willets Point May 31 2020 06:51 AM Re: Minneapolis

We're witnessing something akin to Kristallnacht. Trump has empowered the police to be his Brownshirts with white nationalists joining them to unleash unholy violence on Black Americans. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/george-floyd-protests-police-violence.html

batmagadanleadoff May 31 2020 09:15 AM Re: Minneapolis

Jump all you want. Blowing up 20 police stations is carnage I'm not interested in even imagining. Hundreds of innocent people would die. If that's what some of you here are selling, I want no part of it and will try to look the other way and stay out of it. Proportionate Response When destroying a police precinct is a reasonable reaction. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/george-floyd-protests-minneapolis-police-fires.amp

ashie62 May 31 2020 09:17 AM Re: Minneapolis

Blowing up "things" accomplishes nothing but to help Trump

batmagadanleadoff May 31 2020 09:59 AM Re: Minneapolis

So does voting for Jlll Stein. How do you think we got our independence from England if not by blowing things up? How do you think we defeated the Nazis and Japan? By reasoning with them? Or by murdering their soldiers and killing their innocent civilian populations by blowing things up ... like their cities? What else do you want African-Americans to do? Because nothing else has worked for them. Any how many more centuries -- hundreds and hundreds of years -- are they supposed to wait?

MFS62 May 31 2020 10:36 AM Re: Minneapolis

A tale of two cities: https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t-s&p=chris+cuomo#id=2&vid=75f8c2980916facc8b415ca1e65ecc59&action=click Later

Ceetar May 31 2020 02:12 PM Re: Minneapolis

Antifa is certainly in the mix. JUST VOTE BLUE voting doesn't always stop fascists. It's kind of the point. Democrats are not clean in regards to racism and ignoring police brutality. But yes, pretty much everyone is against fascists. When the government has the military and the cops shooting at people on their property, that's fascism. That's why you fight against it. Willets Point wrote: We're witnessing something akin to Kristallnacht. Trump has empowered the police to be his Brownshirts with white nationalists joining them to unleash unholy violence on Black Americans. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/george-floyd-protests-police-violence.html Those that ignore history doomed to repeat it right..

Willets Point May 31 2020 04:52 PM Re: Minneapolis

History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes.

Ceetar May 31 2020 05:06 PM Re: Minneapolis

you know the way things in ancient history seem closer together than they are? 1000 years from now people could easily conflate what's going on now with ww2. hell, with both world wars. This will just be a hundred year period in history books with multiple outbreaks of fascism and pandemic. These videos are disgusting. The police have run amok and the government's only egging them on, even helping.

Lefty Specialist Jun 01 2020 07:38 AM Re: Minneapolis

https://twitter.com/AstorAaron/status/1267303837737586690 This is what presidenting is all about.

MFS62 Jun 01 2020 07:39 AM Re: Minneapolis

The antithesis of leadership: https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-bunker-george-floyd-protests-074114809.html Later

Lefty Specialist Jun 01 2020 08:47 AM Re: Minneapolis

Miranda Yaver @mirandayaver You know, I always wanted to know what it would be like to simultaneously experience the Spanish flu, Great Depression, and 1968 mass protests while Andrew Johnson was president.

Ceetar Jun 01 2020 09:01 AM Re: Minneapolis

LA closing COVID testing, Chicago suspending school food services. This is basically "I side with the cops, you hooligans" from cities. Biden's meeting with a roundtable of mayors, but doesn't appear to include any activists, which just means it comes across as "How do we manage these hooligans".

Willets Point Jun 01 2020 09:40 AM Re: Minneapolis

Trump hiding out in his bunker as his regime collapses, another echo of history.

MFS62 Jun 01 2020 09:59 AM Re: Minneapolis

Willets Point wrote: Trump hiding out in his bunker as his regime collapses, another echo of history. If ever there was a need for those facebook thumbs up emojis, those was one of them. Later

Lefty Specialist Jun 01 2020 10:08 AM Re: Minneapolis

When he arrived for the SpaceX launch, he had his advance team play 'Macho Man' for him. (Yes, irony is officially dead.) I wonder if they played that when he was hustled into his bunker. Also wonder if he played any board games with Barron to pass the time.

MFS62 Jun 01 2020 10:32 AM Re: Minneapolis

At least now we know where Barron is. Later

Lefty Specialist Jun 01 2020 11:08 AM Re: Minneapolis

Taking a knee. https://twitter.com/deAdder/status/1267417689494036485/photo/1

MFS62 Jun 01 2020 11:31 AM Re: Minneapolis

This is what the cowardly weasel cam up with while in his bunker - attacking the governors. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-took-shelter-white-house-054535672.html And, a view from Canada: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/article-pro-athletes-eager-to-be-on-right-side-of-history-join-race-protests/ Later

Frayed Knot Jun 01 2020 01:35 PM Re: Minneapolis

=Ceetar post_id=37603 time=1590790664 user_id=102] no one was harmed in the riots, besides HUNDREDS OF PROTESTERS. no one was killed except INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE.

Dave Patrick Underwood, who worked for the Department of Homeland Security's Federal Protective Service, died Friday night in downtown Oakland after an unknown shooter opened fire from a vehicle, authorities said.

A second officer who was shot during the incident was seriously wounded but was expected to recover.

Ceetar Jun 01 2020 01:40 PM Re: Minneapolis

there's no indication that was a protestor. meanwhile the police continue to riot and rampage and break the law all over the country.

nymr83 Jun 01 2020 01:41 PM Re: Minneapolis

Huge update here: Floyd and his killer both worked security at the same night club. Maybe this was a personal thing and not racial at all? Would actually be a bad thing for the cop as it would make premeditation more likely.

Willets Point Jun 01 2020 01:55 PM Re: Minneapolis

Maybe this was a personal thing and not racial at all? https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/why-not-both-animated-gif-7.gif>

Ceetar Jun 01 2020 02:01 PM Re: Minneapolis

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NicsMonique/status/1267387845469245440[/TWEET] New York's Finest. lol. and the Cuomo and deBlasio are DOUBLING the presence tonight, so they can run over twice as many protesters, and implementing a curfew so they can attempt to violate their first amendment rights some more.

nymr83 Jun 01 2020 02:02 PM Re: Minneapolis

I'd like to see your car surrounded by a violent mob and tell me you wouldnt move it. I'd have GUNNED it.

Ceetar Jun 01 2020 02:09 PM Re: Minneapolis

newsflash, the cops ARE the violent mob. 1. I wouldn't have been part of an organization killing black people 2. I wouldn't have driven into a protest aggressively trying to disperse them in the first place. 3. I didn't take an oath to PROTECT the people that I just rammed, who coincidentally pay my salary.

Edgy MD Jun 01 2020 02:25 PM Re: Minneapolis

As virtually all of us are Americans, I'd say we're all part of an organization killing black people.

Edgy MD Jun 01 2020 02:27 PM Re: Minneapolis

=nymr83 post_id=37745 time=1591040510 user_id=54] Huge update here: Floyd and his killer both worked security at the same night club. Maybe this was a personal thing and not racial at all? Would actually be a bad thing for the cop as it would make premeditation more likely.

That's sort of been known for a couple of days. And it is, as yet, unclear as to whether they knew one another.

Ceetar Jun 01 2020 03:08 PM Re: Minneapolis

Edgy MD wrote: As virtually all of us are Americans, I'd say we're all part of an organization killing black people. It's pretty much are identity. With quarantine we haven't been able to gun down children in schools, so we had to ramp up the racism and slave patrols. Oh, and we're still killing people at the border too. And spending most of our money building weapons to kill people over seas. I'd resign and slink away in shame if I could, certainly.

Edgy MD Jun 01 2020 03:20 PM Re: Minneapolis

You can. We all can.

LWFS Jun 01 2020 08:40 PM Re: Minneapolis

=nymr83 post_id=37749 time=1591041777 user_id=54] I'd like to see your car surrounded by a violent mob and tell me you wouldnt move it. I'd have GUNNED it.

Is your job to ostensibly serve and protect the public interest?

nymr83 Jun 01 2020 10:54 PM Re: Minneapolis

=LWFS post_id=37771 time=1591065653 user_id=84] =nymr83 post_id=37749 time=1591041777 user_id=54] I'd like to see your car surrounded by a violent mob and tell me you wouldnt move it. I'd have GUNNED it.

Is your job to ostensibly serve and protect the public interest?


nobody's job is to get assaulted or worse by hooligans

LWFS Jun 01 2020 11:50 PM Re: Minneapolis

=nymr83 post_id=37772 time=1591073655 user_id=54] =LWFS post_id=37771 time=1591065653 user_id=84] =nymr83 post_id=37749 time=1591041777 user_id=54] I'd like to see your car surrounded by a violent mob and tell me you wouldnt move it. I'd have GUNNED it.

Is your job to ostensibly serve and protect the public interest?


nobody's job is to get assaulted or worse by hooligans


There's plenty of stuff you can point at, if you want to level your hew and cry at Bad Rioter Behavior, and not at the militarized standard police crowd response that more or less dictates the crowd response. It's strange that police in cars accelerating into crowds of protesters is the hill on which you're choosing to die.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 02 2020 10:13 AM Re: Minneapolis

And those violent protests -- good! They should bomb 20 police stations because they're not gonna bring about any change by being polite. If a cop won't call out a fellow cop for police brutality -- which they never do, then they're not good cops They're just cops who do good things once in a while. But everything good they do is tainted. If a cop won't call out a fellow cop for police brutality, then they're all vigilantes who decide who dies at their hands and who doesn't --all at their whim. Sounds like the nation's sick and tired of the delusional against-all-rational-evidence argument that there isn't systemic and institutional racism in law enforcement and that the problem is simply a few bad apple cops. We are the governed. We no longer consent to let the police kill us. By Eugene Robinson Columnist June 1, 2020 at 7:07 p.m. ED This coast-to-coast uprising is not about terrorism, foreign or domestic. It's not about arson, looting or carpeting streets with broken glass. It's about a powerful phrase in the Declaration of Independence: “the consent of the governed.” Police in this country no longer have our consent to kill African Americans unjustly and with impunity. Is that clear now? What's striking about the protests over the killing of George Floyd is not just the intensity of the anger the protesters express but how widely that anger has spread. Citizens have held demonstrations, marches and vigils in more than 60 cities across the country and in nearly every state. And in the week since a Minneapolis police officer ended Floyd's life by kneeling on his neck, as Floyd pleaded “I can't breathe,” passions have not diminished. If anything, crowds have become more ardent. To me, this feels less and less like just another iteration of the set-piece drama we've lived through so many times — an unjust killing, a few days of protest, a chorus of promises of reform, a return to normal, an all-too-brief interlude until the next unjust killing. This eruption feels like a potential inflection point, a collective decision that “normal” is no longer acceptable. That message is being delivered in every major American city. Whether it is being heard and understood remains to be seen. It is no surprise that President Trump and his aides are deaf, dumb and blind. Trump was chased into his underground bunker Friday night when protesters briefly threatened to storm the White House fence. He salved his bruised ego with a tweet about how anyone who managed to enter the grounds would be met by “vicious dogs” and “ominous weapons.” But on Sunday night, as some protesters set fires across the street in Lafayette Square and the city of Washington imposed a curfew, I saw something I don't think I've ever seen before: The White House went completely dark. It looked like a vacant home, an empty mansion, a luxury property perhaps in foreclosure. In terms of the kind of presidential leadership that could help heal the nation, the “nobody's home” metaphor is depressingly perfect. Trump went into hiding to avoid the protesters. When Trump did call Philonise Floyd, George Floyd's brother, to offer his condolences, “He just kept, like, pushing me off, like ‘I don't want to hear what you're talking about,' ” Floyd said afterward. And the message certainly hadn't gotten through by the time Trump convened governors for a Monday conference in a call in which he reportedly told them that “most of you are weak” and urged them to “dominate” the protesters with overwhelming force. Trump isn't alone in his deafness. Presumably stating the view of the administration, Trump's national security adviser, Robert C. O'Brien, told CNN on Sunday that he did not believe there was any “systemic racism” in U.S. police forces. Rather, he said, he thought there were “a few bad apples” who need to be rooted out. And as for the violence and looting seen in some cities, the administration is focusing its fire instead on “antifa,” a loosely organized leftist movement — and paying no attention to white-supremacist groups that reportedly also are taking advantage of the moment to provoke greater conflict, much less to actions by the police that have escalated confrontations in some cities. That whole analysis — apples and antifa — is wrong to the point of irrelevance. Look at the sheer number of protests. Look at the level of anger, and yes, the destruction of property. Look at the persistence of demonstrators who pour out of their homes night after night, putting themselves at risk not only of clashes with police but also contracting covid-19. Look at the protesters themselves — African Americans, whites, Latinos, Asians, a rainbow of outrage. They are saying, quite clearly, that enough is enough. What happened to Floyd should never happen again. Consent is withdrawn. Policymakers should realize that it's time to stop talking about police reform and actually change the racist army-of-occupation culture that poisons too many police departments. This will be hard to do — veteran officers who define that culture are hard to dislodge, powerful police unions often resist reform efforts, justice systems reflexively give police officers the benefit of the doubt even in the most egregious cases. But the basic principle is simple: Policing is something that must be done with and for a community, not to a community. Those officers should have been made to understand that their duty was to treat Floyd like a citizen — not like some black guy whose life was worthless. Governors, mayors and police chiefs around the country must hear and understand the message: If these racist killings continue, there will be hell to pay. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-are-the-governed-we-no-longer-consent-to-let-the-police-kill-us/2020/06/01/9fad7274-a440-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Ceetar Jun 02 2020 12:11 PM Black Lives Matter

it might be too late. The NYPD has more military equipment and a larger budget than entire countries. That's not an exaggeration. Defunding that could take decades, and all it takes is one deBlasio to erase all that incremental change. Which is always a point when Democrats rail on about 'just vote and maybe we'll make incremental change over time' That's basically what we did with Obama right? One step forward, two steps back. Despite a ton of information being decimated about data-driven police reform that's working, Biden's first thought was "well uh, maybe shoot them in the leg?"

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 02 2020 03:38 PM Re: Minneapolis

https://twitter.com/FrRHendrickson/status/1267619991869779968 https://twitter.com/FrRHendrickson/status/1267619992679272448

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 02 2020 04:43 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

What a real leader looks like, even as he "dodges" the question (silence speaks volumes) https://twitter.com/MuhammadLila/status/1267845513786863617

Edgy MD Jun 02 2020 05:26 PM Re: Minneapolis

Lefty Specialist wrote: =Ceetar post_id=37583 time=1590775320 user_id=102] other cops. the murderer has apparently been arrested now, for his most recent murder. This is also bad news for Amy Klobuchar. She declined to prosecute this very same officer when he was involved in a previous shooting and she was district attorney. She can forget about that VP nod if Biden doesn't want black people to stay home in droves.

While I'm sure there is a track record of cases she didn't bring against cops, I'm not sure the timeline suggests this one is on her.

kcmets Jun 03 2020 09:29 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Additional charges to be announced early afternoon presumably charging the four 'spectator officers' for their role. CNN is saying it's a significant announcement.

Ceetar Jun 03 2020 09:44 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

it's a start if true.

TransMonk Jun 03 2020 10:13 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

I walked in a march yesterday afternoon in Madison from the WI state capitol building down to the university campus. The majority of the couple hundred folks were white college-aged kids, but I couldn't not be involved in some small way with what is going on around the country. Obviously, the afternoon march was peaceful, but the damage from looting and nighttime protests was evident along the path we took.

Edgy MD Jun 03 2020 02:10 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Aiding and abetting charges for the three wingmen, and Chauvin's charges have been upgraded to second-degree. That's historically been a tough sell. Prosecutors of police officers have tended to come up empty when they go for the higher charge.

Willets Point Jun 03 2020 05:27 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Three men arrested in Las Vegas and charged with plotting terrorism during protests, but contrary to Trump's wishes, these terrorists are actually ProFa agents.

nymr83 Jun 04 2020 07:14 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Edgy MD wrote: Aiding and abetting charges for the three wingmen, and Chauvin's charges have been upgraded to second-degree. That's historically been a tough sell. Prosecutors of police officers have tended to come up empty when they go for the higher charge. Well yeah, but higher charge means potentially higher plea bargain - Not that this is a good thing, but in general prosecutors can over charge the cases they plan to settle for leverage. This is also a pretty unique case mostly because of how long the guy was on the ground with the situation seemingly under control - most of the time there is a split-second decision made and it only takes one juror believing that decision to be reasonable to hang the jury and shift the leverage to the defendant with a prosecutor now under fire for not winning the case and desperate to plea it out.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2020 07:18 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Edgy MD wrote: Aiding and abetting charges for the three wingmen, and Chauvin's charges have been upgraded to second-degree. That's historically been a tough sell. Prosecutors of police officers have tended to come up empty when they go for the higher charge. Well yeah, but higher charge means potentially higher plea bargain - Not that this is a good thing, but in general prosecutors can over charge the cases they plan to settle for leverage. This is also a pretty unique case mostly because of how long the guy was on the ground with the situation seemingly under control - most of the time there is a split-second decision made and it only takes one juror believing that decision to be reasonable to hang the jury and shift the leverage to the defendant with a prosecutor now under fire for not winning the case and desperate to plea it out. Also, the fact-finder (jury, but judge if not a jury-trial) isn't limited to the higher charge. The fact-finder may convict on a lesser included charge if it can't find guilt on the higher charge.

nymr83 Jun 04 2020 07:31 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Edgy MD wrote: Aiding and abetting charges for the three wingmen, and Chauvin's charges have been upgraded to second-degree. That's historically been a tough sell. Prosecutors of police officers have tended to come up empty when they go for the higher charge. Well yeah, but higher charge means potentially higher plea bargain - Not that this is a good thing, but in general prosecutors can over charge the cases they plan to settle for leverage. This is also a pretty unique case mostly because of how long the guy was on the ground with the situation seemingly under control - most of the time there is a split-second decision made and it only takes one juror believing that decision to be reasonable to hang the jury and shift the leverage to the defendant with a prosecutor now under fire for not winning the case and desperate to plea it out. Also, the fact-finder (jury, but judge if not a jury-trial) isn't limited to the higher charge. The fact-finder may convict on a lesser included charge if it can't find guilt on the higher charge. But that can be both a positive and a negative, because it gives the jury a cop-out (no pun intended) to choose the lesser charge as a sort of compromise rather than convicting on the higher charge.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2020 07:33 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Edgy MD wrote: Aiding and abetting charges for the three wingmen, and Chauvin's charges have been upgraded to second-degree. That's historically been a tough sell. Prosecutors of police officers have tended to come up empty when they go for the higher charge. Well yeah, but higher charge means potentially higher plea bargain - Not that this is a good thing, but in general prosecutors can over charge the cases they plan to settle for leverage. This is also a pretty unique case mostly because of how long the guy was on the ground with the situation seemingly under control - most of the time there is a split-second decision made and it only takes one juror believing that decision to be reasonable to hang the jury and shift the leverage to the defendant with a prosecutor now under fire for not winning the case and desperate to plea it out. Also, the fact-finder (jury, but judge if not a jury-trial) isn't limited to the higher charge. The fact-finder may convict on a lesser included charge if it can't find guilt on the higher charge. But that can be both a positive and a negative, because it gives the jury a cop-out (no pun intended) to choose the lesser charge as a sort of compromise rather than convicting on the higher charge. Whaddyagonnado?

MFS62 Jun 04 2020 08:17 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

My granddaughter marched yesterday. I can't tell you how proud I am. Later

Edgy MD Jun 04 2020 08:47 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=37895 time=1591276716 user_id=68]Also, the fact-finder (jury, but judge if not a jury-trial) isn't limited to the higher charge. The fact-finder may convict on a lesser included charge if it can't find guilt on the higher charge.

Absolutely, but my experience tells me juries can be irrationally binary. It's innocent or guilty. I sat on a jury where we couldn't agree on murder, so we dealt with lesser charges like threatening and criminal tresspass and the vote was exactly the same.



And I'll always point to the cops in the Freddy Gray case. The prosecutor went for the big charge and the jury couldn't convict on any.



There is far less ambiguity and grey area among the facts here than in the Freddy Gray case, but I remain wary of prosecutors going for the gold and walking away without any medal at all.



It's hard to convict a cop.

LWFS Jun 04 2020 09:07 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Charges amped up. State inquiry into systemic human rights violation by MPD. Imagine what they'd have accomplished if they'd protested nicely, in the right way.

Ceetar Jun 04 2020 02:21 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

=LWFS post_id=37912 time=1591283235 user_id=84] Charges amped up. State inquiry into systemic human rights violation by MPD. Imagine what they'd have accomplished if they'd protested nicely, in the right way.

we'd be back to wondering when the hell season 2 of the Mandalorean was showing up, for sure.

Edgy MD Jun 04 2020 03:15 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

=LWFS post_id=37912 time=1591283235 user_id=84] Charges amped up. State inquiry into systemic human rights violation by MPD. Imagine what they'd have accomplished if they'd protested nicely, in the right way.

That's interesting.

Ceetar Jun 04 2020 05:20 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

"And Tom Seaver can bugger off, the Cy Young is mine" nowhere to be found. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZr5pUMWAAMmMDe?format=jpg&name=medium>

MFS62 Jun 05 2020 08:14 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Aaron Rodgers weighed in on Wednesday evening, posting a photo on Instagram of himself and his Green Bay Packers teammates locking arms in solidarity during a 2017 game with the caption, “A few years ago we were criticized for locking arms in solidarity before the game. It has NEVER been about an anthem or a flag. Not then. Not now. Listen with an open heart, let's educate ourselves, and then turn word and thought into action.” Drew Breese should be smart enough to understand this. Later

Lefty Specialist Jun 05 2020 08:59 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

=MFS62 post_id=38223 time=1591366481 user_id=60] Aaron Rodgers weighed in on Wednesday evening, posting a photo on Instagram of himself and his Green Bay Packers teammates locking arms in solidarity during a 2017 game with the caption, “A few years ago we were criticized for locking arms in solidarity before the game. It has NEVER been about an anthem or a flag. Not then. Not now. Listen with an open heart, let's educate ourselves, and then turn word and thought into action.” Drew Breese should be smart enough to understand this. Later

Ya know, if a high-profile white guy like Aaron Rodgers took a knee every week, I'd think he was more sincere. Not that he's necessarily a bad guy, but he wasn't willing to put his career and those Allstate commercials on the line for this.

kcmets Jun 05 2020 12:17 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlmAfv-mrXA[/YOUTUBE]

Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2020 12:25 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

The thing that stands out in that video is that none of the other cops even took a moment to see if the guy was okay.

kcmets Jun 05 2020 12:28 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

I know! The guy is 75 and has blood coming out of his ear and they just keep going. Originally, they reported he tripped - then the video came out - and they changed their tunes and at least two of the cops were 'disciplined.' Unbelievable.

Lefty Specialist Jun 05 2020 12:33 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

DC Mayor Muriel Bowser with an excellent F-U to Trump. https://twitter.com/i/status/1268916115809488896

batmagadanleadoff Jun 05 2020 01:55 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 05 2020 02:04 PM

Pandemonium in Grand Rapids, Michigan as bat-wielding grandma takes on peaceful protesters. And she's maskless, too - the dumb Republican fuckface. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QemO0nIn7pQ

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 05 2020 02:00 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The thing that stands out in that video is that none of the other cops even took a moment to see if the guy was okay. Yeah that's what disturbs me most.you can see the thought go through their heads that they ought to, then think better of it because doing so would somehow surrender the story they'd put forward that the guy tripped. I'm in the meantime waiting to see if they properly reveal the identity of Spandex Bicycle Guy, which you may have seen. Some twitter folks think they got him from Strava, the bike mapping app. He gives fat old white bicycle riders a bad name

batmagadanleadoff Jun 05 2020 02:03 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: The thing that stands out in that video is that none of the other cops even took a moment to see if the guy was okay. Yeah that's what disturbs me most.you can see the thought go through their heads that they ought to, then think better of it because doing so would somehow surrender the story they'd put forward that the guy tripped. I'm in the meantime waiting to see if they properly reveal the identity of Spandex Bicycle Guy, which you may have seen. Some twitter folks think they got him from Strava, the bike mapping app. He gives fat old white bicycle riders a bad name How Many Bad Apples Does It Take to Assault an Old Man? Disturbing video out of Buffalo Thursday night reinforces the notion that the problems in American policing are deep and systemic. By Jack Holmes Jun 5, 2020 You hear a lot about "bad apples" these days from folks reluctant to confront the possibility that the problems in American policing are systemic. It's just a few bad cops! Never mind that the original expression reads, "A few bad apples spoil the whole bunch." And never mind that we can no longer indulge this. The way cops are trained in this country, the way they are outfitted like they're deploying to Fallujah, the culture of ass-covering over accountability, the lying, the hardliner union chiefs and the extreme rhetoric—it has led to insanity. The supercuts going around of police going fucking crazy on people are not pleasant viewing. In some cases, these displays certainly qualify as police riots. As Jamelle Bouie put it in the New York Times on Friday, police are outright rejecting the rights of the public—and civil authorities—to hold them accountable, despite the fact that they are public servants paid by taxpayers. Look at these guys in L.A., ripping into a crowd with batons. Why are officers of the NYPD wailing on this guy wheeling his bike? Is this necessary? Does he pose a threat? How does this serve to keep the peace and safeguard the constitutional rights of citizens? But if you're really looking for the decisive word on Apples, it arrived on Thursday night in Buffalo, New York. Officers were trying to clear the city's Niagara Square as part of an attempt to enforce a curfew. Video emerged of a man approaching a line of heavily riot-geared police and confronting them. While this might be ill-advised in the current circumstances—see above—is it actually illegal, in any legitimate sense, just because the mayor instituted a curfew? (At what point are these curfews arbitrary and capricious, and generally useless in terms of their supposed aim of limiting the amount of violence and unrest?) Meanwhile, police officers are not Knights of the Realm in whose path mere commoners dare not tread. Certainly, this is not a beatdownable offense, particularly because, again, this guy does not pose a threat to anyone. Yet look what happens. What the fuck? It's not just that they shove this guy. It's that they all just walk right by him, motionless as his head bleeds out on the sidewalk. Again, what the fuck? And that's where the Apples talk comes in. Do you see the one cop who displays a flash of humanity, moving towards tending to the stricken man? Looks like a potentially Good Apple. He shows concern for a citizen he's been tasked with serving and protecting. Except his colleagues usher him away, getting him back in line so they can march right by the victim. Seems like at the very least, the Bad Apples might be spoiling the Good. But the compound atrocity was the Buffalo Police Department's statement on the incident, in which they tried to claim he "tripped and fell." We have to point out that they tried this shit when the incident was caught on camera. Imagine what they say about incidents that have not been documented for all to see? Imagine what happens when the cameras aren't there. The Good Apples seem entirely unable to exert any influence on how these departments operate. When the Bad Apples do bad things, no one attempts to hold them accountable. They close ranks. In this case, the ranks closed around the injured man, as more than a handful—perhaps a dozen—officers left him in serious danger. Buffalo Mayor Byron W. Brown said Thursday night that the victim is in serious but stable condition in the hospital. Two of the officers involved have been suspended without pay. But what about the rest of them, who gazed upon a stricken citizen and marched right by? What about a culture within the department that apparently prohibited anyone from simply speaking to this man and explaining to him why he needed to move? What would happen if police showed up to a protest in their normal uniforms, and actually talked to people about why they were there? That's the kind of orchard I'd like to visit. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32774785/buffalo-police-shove-man-bleeding-ground/

Ceetar Jun 05 2020 02:14 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

the rest of the team has apparently resigned at the nerve of suspending the two officers directly involved. Good. Maybe they'll all fucking resign. like when the NYPD did their soft strike and crime went down.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2020 08:33 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The thing that stands out in that video is that none of the other cops even took a moment to see if the guy was okay. One took exactly a moment, and then the guy behind him pushed him away. This is, by the way, an utter failure at the most base level of recognizing the hierarchy of values — pretty much the first standard item a police officer learns: 1) Protect life and limb. 2) Obey orders in an emergency situation. 3) Protect property. 4) Obey orders in a non-emergency situation. 5) Maintain the assigned role. 6) Efficiently get the job done. 7) Avoid blame and avoid seeking additional praise and respect. Seems like #4 jumped to #1 there, and #1 fell to, like, #11.

Willets Point Jun 05 2020 10:36 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Bobby Valentine marching in Stamford, CT. (My wife found this and shared it with me). Not sure if he's wearing a disguise. https://twitter.com/BobbyValentine/status/1268348165134188550

LWFS Jun 06 2020 12:30 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

The Buffalo business took place on the same stretch where they all so movingly took a knee the DAY BEFORE. When they KNEW they were being watched. With an old, white dude. Fuck a gesture. Show me direct, substantive change. At this point, I'm TOTALLY open to abolition of the way we police. Because this militarized, blue-wall bullshit isn't the way. It doesn't serve, and it doesn't protect. The culture pervades, and it tarnishes pretty much everyone who puts on a uniform. I've caught a little of it, personally, and it's fucking grotesque, and I haven't caught but a VERY little of it. We've got long, hard, difficult work to do, and we've only just begun.

Ceetar Jun 06 2020 07:56 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

we need a different word I think, because abolition seems to scare some people, particularly ones that just want to say "oh, yeah that seems fine" and forget about it. I've been thinking of phrasing it like "re-assign the 'good' cops to a new specialized 'police' force that focuses specifically on detective work and solving the big crimes. loop in PIs. This would be the group that chases down the murders, does the forensics, etc. Then establish other focused groups for other things. you only really need an insurance agent to access your car accident. If a streetlight goes out, you need an admin to contact a tech. For homeless you need specific groups, for mental illness, for sexual assault, etc. A more auxiliary type of civil servant that leads birthday parades, provides 'peacekeeping' at town/city events, etc. you have to legitimize these groups, so that they carry gravitas and authority when a case goes to court, but that shouldn't be that hard. the system we have now is pretty fucked up already, as whatever a cop (who lie more often) says in court is treated with more weight.

MFS62 Jun 06 2020 07:57 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

That is an interesting idea. Later

kcmets Jun 06 2020 08:00 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Don't any of you guys know cops? I know seven. One a retired captain, one a retired detective, one state trooper and four municipal police officers (two men and two women). Among the nicest hard working people I know., and trust I've known a lot of assholes in my fifty some years of roaming the planet and I'm not slow or bashful about pointing them out.

MFS62 Jun 06 2020 08:23 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Related to two of them, both retired. One from NYC (injured while chasing a perp in NYC) and one injured while providing escort to the funeral procession for one of the Sandy Hook victims (he got run over by a motorist trying to cut through the line of mourners). But I've heard both of them say if not direct, but borderline, racist things. We don't talk politics when we (infrequently) get together. Later

Edgy MD Jun 06 2020 08:31 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

I know more cops than I can count. Mostly I've know great men and women who always place themselves between civilization and chaos. (And I've know plenty of civilians willing to do the same.) I've known shit cops, who aren't the type to get ahead of the zeitgeist, throwing muscle around. They're more of the type who wait for an autocrat to give them cultural cover, and then when they take delight in fucking with the law, declare it to be "Guiliani Time." I've been butting up against one of them online recently — an 81-year-old retired and decorated Baltimore PD sergeant. I don't know if he ever was worthy of those stripes and medals, but he's a great big old asshole now. Poet Wisława Szymborska wrote that more than half of us are "Harmless alone:/turning savage in crowds" and that the number that are "Cruel/ when forced by circumstances:/t's better not to know,not even approximately." These are who to watch for in the police. These are who to watch for in society — the shallow ones, ones with no anchor. Desperate to belong and be a part of something, any passing mania can sweep them up. Your neighborhood has these people, and your family has these people. But the police have those people too. The guy who bent over Martin Gugino, the 75 year old man knocked to the ground and injured by police in Buffalo, and tried to render aid before being pushed away by his colleague and reminded to stay on mission (whatever that was) — he's one of these folks. The reality is that young me overwhelmingly fit into these categories. They are capable of doing anything except showing good, independent judgment. That part of their brain really doesn't work too well until perhaps 25. It's also why they make good cops and good soldiers. They have responsible older folks making the tough choices for them, and they flourish under that. Unfortunately, this is why they also make great stormtroopers and brownshirts. Because, in their limited young man's judgment, they don't know whether they should sacrifice their judgment and wills to wiser, experienced leaders, or to the very worst shitmongers among us. They don't even really know how to tell the difference. A lot of shit has gone down in the the crowds of protestors, but by my experience, they've governed themselves (young and old) far better than the police, and in 2020, that's unacceptable.

Ceetar Jun 06 2020 08:44 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

I mean, cops can be good people and still be bad cops. A lot of it's that the whole damn slave-patrol system is horrible.

kcmets Jun 06 2020 09:31 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

=Ceetar post_id=38288 time=1591454685 user_id=102]I mean, cops can be good people and still be bad cops.

I mean, team owners can be good people and still bad owners.

Edgy MD Jun 06 2020 10:06 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

But fuck journalists. They all suck.

Ceetar Jun 06 2020 10:17 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

=kcmets post_id=38289 time=1591457463 user_id=53] =Ceetar post_id=38288 time=1591454685 user_id=102]I mean, cops can be good people and still be bad cops.

I mean, team owners can be good people and still bad owners.


it's hard to believe that anyone with as much money as it takes to be an owner can be a good person. *peers at minor leagues, salary* _extremely_ hard.

MFS62 Jun 06 2020 12:15 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Insensitive, stupid, or business as usual for them . You decide: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-apologizes-insensitivity-screen-164318754.html Later

batmagadanleadoff Jun 06 2020 03:12 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Racism on display in Merrick, Long Island.... https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/06/blm-merrick-long-island-protest-history.html ... including some crazy video featuring a Long Island redneck, maskless and Covid-19 ignorant and no doubt, a scumbag Trump supporter. -- as well as one of those scumbag cops making the news these days, harassing an interviewer for exercising his constitutional free speech rights. https://twitter.com/tu_tiene_sed/status/1268159796789809154 OE - If the video won't play, you can access it by linking to the Slate article (link above) and then clicking on "a tense scene from Merrick, NY"

Ceetar Jun 06 2020 05:15 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

apparently our "police violence is cool" president went up to a coronavirus swap facility in Maine and breathed all over the stuff, forcing them to dump a day's worth of product.

MFS62 Jun 07 2020 05:22 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

apparently our "police violence is cool" president went up to a coronavirus swap facility in Maine and breathed all over the stuff, forcing them to dump a day's worth of product. He wasn't wearing a mask or lab gown. When I saw news pics of the trip through the production area, I told my wife that he was contaminating everything he passed. Schmuck. Later

batmagadanleadoff Jun 08 2020 02:30 PM Re: Minneapolis

They should bomb 20 police stations because they're not gonna bring about any change by being polite. If a cop won't call out a fellow cop for police brutality -- which they never do, then they're not good cops They're just cops who do good things once in a while. But everything good they do is tainted. If a cop won't call out a fellow cop for police brutality, then they're all vigilantes who decide who dies at their hands and who doesn't --all at their whim. Like I said, after they've blown up 20 police stations and slaughtered countless innocents, then maybe society will change. Maybe. Experts doubt this is a moment of reckoning for policing in U.S. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protesters-hope-this-is-a-moment-of-reckoning-for-american-policing-experts-say-not-so-fast/2020/06/07/85f759e4-a742-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 08 2020 03:00 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

We obv need to think over the future of policing in the us. My thought is, stop militarizing them, pay cops more $$ to draw a better class of cop. Same with teachers and hourly workers really except the soldier bullshit. Jack the corporate tax rates back up to pay for all this, it's simply not sustainable otherwise

batmagadanleadoff Jun 08 2020 03:13 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: We obv need to think over the future of policing in the us. My thought is, stop militarizing them, pay cops more $$ to draw a better class of cop. Same with teachers and hourly workers really except the soldier bullshit. Jack the corporate tax rates back up to pay for all this, it's simply not sustainable otherwise Well, yeah, yeah and yeah. But they're gonna have to blow up a lot of shit for that to happen. And it'll take decades. I mean, the North won the Civil War and all that did was make the South even angrier. So they murdered Lincoln. Then came the Reconstruction. Which angered the South even worse than losing the Civil War. So they routed the Reconstructionists, lynched murdered and imposed 100 years of Apartheid-like Jim Crow, where being black and living in the Deep South was as dangerous and oppressive as being a Jew in Hitler's Germany, other than the death camps. Brown v. Board brought on 20+ more years of bombing and mayhem and repression. And America's Black President gave us the scumbag Tea Party and the current rogue and criminal GOP. These George Floyd protests aren't even the top of the first inning.

Ceetar Jun 08 2020 03:54 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

yes, this protest is LITERALLY an extension of the civil war. The civil war was an extreme outbreak of this disagreement, but it's teh same fight. plenty of cops get paid well. looks at these budgets people are posting. it's obscene. the NYPD has the same budget fits in between Greece and Sweden's national defense budget. They might be better equipped too. We don't just need to redefine policing, we need to redefine CRIME itself. There is a lot of work to be done, and given that we're still fighting this same fight, it's hard to believe it's going to happen any time soon.

MFS62 Jun 08 2020 06:02 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Antifa THIS, Donald. https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-fbi-found-weapons-booby-222849936.html I wonder what spin FOX will put on this, if they report ti at all. Later

kcmets Jun 08 2020 07:20 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Do you (we here) support Antifa now? Start a poll.

MFS62 Jun 10 2020 01:06 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gone-with-the-wind-pulled-from-hbo-max-over-racist-depictions Later

Lefty Specialist Jun 10 2020 02:14 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Well, I'm against Fascism, so I guess that makes me Antifa. Not really a close call. I want to see people proudly marching and openly stating that they're PRO-Fascist. Just so we know who we're dealing with. Steven Miller can be Grand [CROSSOUT]Wizard[/CROSSOUT] Marshal.

kcmets Jun 10 2020 03:01 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

Anti-fascism and anti-socialism have really become a go-to thing in the age of Trump. I'd wager my last dime (because that's about all I got) that three quarters of the people yelling about either really have no what a fascist or socialist is. And I don't mean you Lefty, you're one of the most level headed and even keeled here.

MFS62 Jun 10 2020 03:21 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

NEVER saw this one coming: https://sports.yahoo.com/nascar-bans-display-confederate-flags-210804284.html Now, let's see if they can make it happen. Later

LWFS Jun 10 2020 09:06 PM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

=kcmets post_id=38534 time=1591822872 user_id=53] Anti-fascism and anti-socialism have really become a go-to thing in the age of Trump. I'd wager my last dime (because that's about all I got) that three quarters of the people yelling about either really have no what a fascist or socialist is. And I don't mean you Lefty, you're one of the most level headed and even keeled here.

I mean, I'm not anti-socialist, because I understand what socialism entails (and that socialist and demi-socialist programs are woven in and out of the welfare state we currently-- or used to-- enjoy). I AM anti-fascist, because I don't tend to skew rightward, am a pretty big press-freedom guy, and am not so much in favor of violent suppression of opposition.



Also, when it comes to associating, I'm a bit of a cat-kinda-cat and don't like organized groups, and Antifa-- contrary to what certain Twitter accounts might aver-- isn't so much of an actual organized group.

Lefty Specialist Jun 11 2020 10:28 AM Re: Minneapolis (and We're All Living in Minneapolis)

=kcmets post_id=38534 time=1591822872 user_id=53] And I don't mean you Lefty, you're one of the most level headed and even keeled here.

I also have a level swing. Keith loves it.