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Disarming Elmer Fudd

Yes

2 votes

No

4 votes

Not Sure

1 votes

Don't Care

8 votes

Other

1 votes

kcmets Jun 08 2020 09:00 AM

Please vote!

Benjamin Grimm Jun 08 2020 09:09 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

I'm okay with it, as long as they don't retroactively edit the classic cartoons.

kcmets Jun 08 2020 09:17 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm okay with it, as long as they don't retroactively edit the classic cartoons. That's a level headed and reasonable take. I'm still chewing on my vote.

Ceetar Jun 08 2020 09:22 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Just watched the first episode of the reboot (featuring Yosemite in re: this poll). Thought it was pretty good. I don't think there's any noun you could put after 'disarming' that I wouldn't be in favor of though.

metsmarathon Jun 08 2020 09:29 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

[pushing glasses on nose] it's a shotgun, not a rifle. you don't hunt small game with a rifle.

Lefty Specialist Jun 08 2020 09:36 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Well, he certainly shouldn't be using an elephant gun. [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=vHTUDwc1fd8[/YOUTUBE]

kcmets Jun 08 2020 09:37 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

=metsmarathon post_id=38337 time=1591630174 user_id=83] [pushing glasses on nose] it's a shotgun, not a rifle. you don't hunt small game with a rifle.

You're right! And that's why it blows Donald Duck's head off at close range while a

rifle would just put a big hole in his forehead.

kcmets Jun 08 2020 09:39 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

=kcmets post_id=38339 time=1591630643 user_id=53] =metsmarathon post_id=38337 time=1591630174 user_id=83] [pushing glasses on nose] it's a shotgun, not a rifle. you don't hunt small game with a rifle.

You're right! And that's why it blows Donald Duck's head off at close range while a

rifle would just put a big hole in his forehead.

MFS62 Jun 08 2020 09:40 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

I voted "other" until I'm sure this poll isn't part of an NRA plot against sensible gun control. Later

kcmets Jun 08 2020 09:47 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

I am not a member of the NRA.

Ceetar Jun 08 2020 09:47 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

http://www.ceetar.com/optimisticmetsfan/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/looney.gif> There's literally one reason mentioned for the need to have guns, and everyone advocating for them failed the test, as far as 'sensible' gun control goes.

kcmets Jun 08 2020 09:50 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Mentioned where? Don't turn this into a shit show. It's a fucking cartoon.

Ceetar Jun 08 2020 09:54 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

i'm not the one that brought up gun control.

kcmets Jun 08 2020 09:55 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 08 2020 09:56 AM

I took 'Not Sure.' Young people are probably seeing exponentially more violence when they turn on their Playstation or Xbox (or whatever is out there today) that it all seems kind of silly to me. Almost took 'Don't Care' but then someone would say why the poll?

kcmets Jun 08 2020 09:55 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

=Ceetar post_id=38345 time=1591631651 user_id=102] i'm not the one that brought up gun control.

It's a fucking cartoon!

Ceetar Jun 08 2020 10:00 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

for that matter, I'm not the one that made a no-context post suggesting the decisions of some independent creators in making content needed debating or my/the public's approval. =kcmets post_id=38347 time=1591631747 user_id=53] =Ceetar post_id=38345 time=1591631651 user_id=102] i'm not the one that brought up gun control.

It's a fucking cartoon!


sure. and toy guns are fucking toys, but it doesn't stop guns from killing black children playing with them.

And have Elmer and Sam been stripped of their weapons in response to out-of-control US gun violence? Exactly. “We're not doing guns,” the executive producer of the new series, Peter Browngardt, told the New York Times. If they are not doing guns, what are they doing? There is still plenty of “cartoon violence”, Browngardt says reassuringly, acknowledging that the whole thing is based on conflict. So there's dynamite and explosions, while Elmer's shotgun has been replaced with a scythe. That's pretty violent! Also arguably scarier, with its Grim Reaper associations, than the gun. Not really the point. Scythe culture isn't a thing in America, nor has scythe crime ravaged the country.

kcmets Jun 08 2020 10:04 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Go drop an anvil on your head.

Ceetar Jun 08 2020 10:06 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Here's a better question. Did you watch any of it? did you like any of it?

Frayed Knot Jun 08 2020 10:10 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

You liberals want to take away Mr Fudd's hunting rifle, the one he needs to feed his wife and children, yet do nothing about Mr. W. E. Coyote running around with all kinds of home-made explosives. Is it because he's on an endangered species list? Or do you just assume that living in the desert makes him some sort of environmentalist and so he gets a pass in your book? I bet that's the real reason!

Ceetar Jun 08 2020 10:14 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

I heard that Coyote is on ACME's payroll.

Lefty Specialist Jun 08 2020 10:21 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Classics are what they are. They shouldn't be updated or 'made relevant'. There should never have been Casablanca TV series starring David Soul, for instance. The original Looney Tunes are an artifact of their time. They're violent, sexist and in some instances mind-bogglingly racist. They've been recreated in a number of ways over the years but they've never been as good (although my 4 year old loved Space Jam). Take Elmer's gun away, for all I care. As long as the originals are around, I'm fine.

Edgy MD Jun 08 2020 10:28 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

What the fuck's Elmer doing out there in the woods if he's not hunting? Is he just canvassing for a lobbying agency? Yosemite Sam has alternatively been presented as a rootin' tootin' outlaw cowboy, a pirate, and (most curiously) a Confederate army officer. These tend to be characters who wield firearms.

MFS62 Jun 08 2020 10:37 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Didn't realize until after I voted that I heard that Elmer's gun will actually be taken away in new versions of these cartoons. I'll agree with what Lefty said, they were classics and a sign of their times and the originals should not be changed. New ones? That's their business and if they want Elmer to be gun-less, that's ok with me. And to build on what Edgy pointed out, what will Elmer become if not a hunter? A political activist fighting for wabbit wights? Later

Fman99 Jun 08 2020 10:50 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Lefty Specialist wrote: Classics are what they are. They shouldn't be updated or 'made relevant'. There should never have been Casablanca TV series starring David Soul, for instance. The original Looney Tunes are an artifact of their time. They're violent, sexist and in some instances mind-bogglingly racist. They've been recreated in a number of ways over the years but they've never been as good (although my 4 year old loved Space Jam). Take Elmer's gun away, for all I care. As long as the originals are around, I'm fine. Agree 100%. Don't care what you do now - it'll suck, I'm sure. But don't mess with my childhood.

metsmarathon Jun 08 2020 10:53 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

he could be out there trapping rabbits, 'cos he's tired of always having to pluck the lead shot out of his prey. and i figure wile.e.coyote does a lot of mining, and possibly space exploration, when he's not jonesing for roadrunner. that's why he needs and is able to get all of the explosives and propellants. heck, maybe he works for Raytheon, or some other weapons developer. they're all out there in the desert, too. and i'm fine with taking away elmer and sam's firearms, just so long as marvin can still have his illudium q36 space modulator.

Ceetar Jun 08 2020 10:54 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

I agree on the don't censor the past front (though I'm definitely fine with Disney's note that films may represent outdated cultural depictions) again, I watched the first episode. I enjoyed it. felt true to form, though granted it's probably been a decade or two since I've watched a Looney Tune or Merrie Melodie. A fun podcast, btw, is Twenty Thousand Hertz, which talks about sound. specifically, this episode on Mel Blanc: [url]https://www.20k.org/episodes/whatsupdoc

TransMonk Jun 08 2020 12:11 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 08 2020 12:17 PM

Don't care. I'm more upset about Buggs' gloves. Have they always been yellow? My daughter and I watched several episodes of the reboot and enjoyed it. The gun may be gone, but stuff is still blowing up, bodies ripped apart and all the physical malice observed in the originals is represented. After one character blew up and returned for the next scene, my daughter said, "Wait, he's not dead???" One of the first episodes with Daffy has him dressing up as a bride prompting my daughter to ask, "Is that a boy or a girl?" I had to reiterate several times that it was all just silliness.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 08 2020 12:15 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

What does "don't care" mean? "Don't care" for it, as in --"I'm against it"? Or "Don't care" as in disinterested or not interested?

TransMonk Jun 08 2020 12:19 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

I voted "Don't care" meaning it didn't change the overall tone of the cartoon or Elmer's scenes in them for me. Like I said, all of the violence is still there. Just no more guns going off.

nymr83 Jun 08 2020 12:59 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

=Ceetar post_id=38358 time=1591635243 user_id=102] I agree on the don't censor the past front (though I'm definitely fine with Disney's note that films may represent outdated cultural depictions)

That is pretty much where I fall - don't edit things. Do give parents tools to help decide what their child should be watching.



Taking Elmer's gun away for new stuff seems dumb. I'd prefer they just create a new character.

Edgy MD Jun 08 2020 01:24 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

An early version of Porky Pig was the original star of Warner cartoons. And he was really more of a proto-Elmer Fudd — an naïve-but-buffoonish gentleman hunter, whom the animals loved to fuck with — than the more domestic Porky we would come to identify the character with. The cartoon that introduced Daffy was called "Porky's Duck Hunt." The cartoon that introduced Bugs was called "Porky's Rabbit Hunt." Hunting was the point and purpose of these interactions. I very well get not wanting to make a cartoon about shooting shit at each other, but it probably shouldn't be an Elmer-and-Bugs cartoon.

kcmets Jun 08 2020 01:33 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

=nymr83 post_id=38365 time=1591642772 user_id=54]I'd prefer they just create a new character.

Zelmer Fudd, Elmer's great grandson: scythe totin' hunter of wabbit (and duck)...

Ceetar Jun 08 2020 01:52 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Elmer's gun was not a feature of every Elmer Fudd cartoon. There was plenty of stuff he did outside of the one recurring skit of 'Rabbit Season'. and when he does grab it, it's just a prop for his retaliation. it's not more or less funny if he grabs a scythe or club or bomb or TNT instead. btw, Marvin the Martian was allowed to keep his phaser or whatever it is. watched a bunch of them now. I am amused. The second episode of the season has a baseball themed skit which is pretty good too. both Elmer and Yosemite Sam (or Siberian Sam) appear true to form, even if they're not gun wielding maniacs. It doesn't really lose anything.

TransMonk Jun 08 2020 02:10 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

I think it would be different if they were airbrushing the gun out of old cartoons. But these are brand new stories. Elmer is the same character...he just goes hunting outside of his drawn scenes.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 08 2020 02:15 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

I was barely aware this was a controversy and had to look things up. I chose "don't care." That said what we need to do culturally about guns is a lot more than make cartoons without them. I feel like puking when I see these fetishists posing with their guns pumped up on the fake courage it bestows on them, their perverted patriotism, and taking to social media to humblebrag about how prepared they are to take lives if looters "go near me or my family." As if. The most likely way for any of these bullshit pretend-soldiers to take a life with their gun is through an accident at home or some over-reaction, or when they or their maladjusted kids snap and take out a few dozen. Proudly ignorant, full of shit and a danger to themselves and others. Your 2nd Amendment at work. Gun owners can fuck off.

kcmets Jun 08 2020 02:21 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

=Ceetar post_id=38370 time=1591645926 user_id=102]Elmer's gun was not a feature of every Elmer Fudd cartoon.

I didn't say it was, the poll is a light-hearted question based on a current events news

story. But like everything 2020 it has to morph in NRA plots and disarming all nouns.

What's next - Elmer J. Fudd, miwwionaire owned slaves and was a misogynist?

Edgy MD Jun 08 2020 02:58 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

No, he didn't own slaves. He owned swaves. Duh.

kcmets Jun 08 2020 03:00 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 08 2020 03:00 PM

Duh, indeed... well pwayed.

TransMonk Jun 08 2020 03:00 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

BOC

kcmets Jun 08 2020 07:22 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

=MFS62 post_id=38355 time=1591634246 user_id=60] Didn't realize until after I voted that I heard that Elmer's gun will actually be taken away in new versions of these cartoons.

Did you think this morning I woke up and felt it's arbitrarily time to take Elmer's

shot gun away after like seventy years of hunting wabbit?

MFS62 Jun 09 2020 06:23 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 09 2020 08:01 AM

=kcmets post_id=38404 time=1591665774 user_id=53] =MFS62 post_id=38355 time=1591634246 user_id=60] Didn't realize until after I voted that I heard that Elmer's gun will actually be taken away in new versions of these cartoons.

Did you think this morning I woke up and felt it's arbitrarily time to take Elmer's

shot gun away after like seventy years of hunting wabbit?


When I saw it, I thought it was a clever diversion to the world troubles; disease, political unrest, domestic violence.

Who among us hadn't seen those cartoons? It really deserved a compliment. You were trying to bring some humor to our lives.

Now you're saying you weren't that clever?

I'm weally disappointed, Kase.



Later

Lefty Specialist Jun 09 2020 06:33 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Meanwhile, in the real world... Coyote top speed: 43 mph. Roadrunner top speed: 25 mph. No need for Acme.

Ceetar Jun 09 2020 06:40 AM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Lefty Specialist wrote: Meanwhile, in the real world... Coyote top speed: 43 mph. Roadrunner top speed: 25 mph. No need for Acme. It's been a while, but I think there is a cartoon where he just chases him and actually catches up with him. Most of the time he's just lazy though.

kcmets Jun 09 2020 01:43 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Lazy? Maybe. I just always thought he wanted (needed) to prove his diabolical genius. Only to continually fail. Soup or Sonic is the episode according to several sources... https://vimeo.com/260599748 I didn't see where he caught him, so it could be that's all folkslore?

41Forever Jun 09 2020 02:07 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

There were a lot of rules for Roadrunner. [url]https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/the-9-rules-every-wile-e-coyote-and-road-runner-cartoon-had-to-follow-are-wonderfully-pedantic-10088784.html https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/03/05/16/wile2-v3.jpg?w968h681>

Edgy MD Jun 09 2020 02:24 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

I remember a list of rules that suggested sympathy always had to be with Wile E. I'm pretty sure there was a codicil to that rule that said that if your name was ceetar, sympathy could be thrown to the wind and you could dismiss him as just lazy.

Ceetar Jun 09 2020 02:31 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

*pfft* fine, he's not "lazy" but a foot race doesn't exactly make great cartoon! he'd prefer to paint a tunnel on a rock and then accidentally get stuck inside it, or turn on a giant vacuum and try to suck him up than actually chase him.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 09 2020 02:35 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

It's not lazy to prefer a challenge. I remember one cartoon where Wile E. Coyote did speak. It was when he turned his attention to Bugs Bunny instead of the Road Runner. I think he said, "I am Wile E. Coyote. Super Genius." (Or was it "Stable Genius"?)

kcmets Jun 09 2020 02:40 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

I remember him talking too, pretty sure it was super genus.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 09 2020 03:00 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

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kcmets Jun 09 2020 03:11 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

"Have brain, eh? That must be very handy at times."

LWFS Jun 09 2020 03:46 PM Re: Disarming Elmer Fudd

Lefty Specialist wrote: Classics are what they are. They shouldn't be updated or 'made relevant'. There should never have been Casablanca TV series starring David Soul, for instance. The original Looney Tunes are an artifact of their time. They're violent, sexist and in some instances mind-bogglingly racist. They've been recreated in a number of ways over the years but they've never been as good (although my 4 year old loved Space Jam). Take Elmer's gun away, for all I care. As long as the originals are around, I'm fine. I wish they'd show the old wartime Looney Tunes stuff more often. I LOVE it when the racist stuff comes on and I'm watching with my kid-- there's not a finer cartoon-based teaching opportunity this side of Schoolhouse Rock.