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This Year's Jacob deGrom Deserves His Own Thread Thread

batmagadanleadoff
Aug 06 2020 12:02 PM

Jacob deGrom is now baseball's hardest throwing pitcher. His pitches have ticked up a few MPH's over last season. His average fastball is 99MPH and his average slider is now averaging almost 94MPH.



This stat shows Jacob deGrom is getting even better, which is scary



Excerpt:


Good luck trying to hit anything thrown by New York Mets ace Jacob deGrom these days.


https://fansided.com/2020/08/04/jacob-degrom-mets-getting-even-better/

batmagadanleadoff
Aug 11 2020 02:17 PM
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The 2020 NL Cy Young Award watch:



https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2020-pitching-leaders.shtml



deGrom wouldn't and shouldn't win it if the season ended right now, but he's one of the NL's best 10 pitchers this season, so far, and within striking distance of the league's very best. And by very best, I'm talking about based upon just three or four starts.

batmagadanleadoff
Aug 15 2020 08:56 PM
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Strange. deGrom is getting the mum's the word ttreatment since yesterday's scratch.

Edgy MD
Aug 15 2020 09:52 PM
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Strange kind of turns to ominous sometime between now and tomorrow's starting time if we don't hear more.

batmagadanleadoff
Aug 15 2020 10:04 PM
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Either that or there's more important Mets stories to cover right now -- like how Luis Guillorme might be the next Ty Cobb all thanks to a coupl'a lucky grounders that got through the infield for singles, soaring his batting average to three zillion and a half based on like six at bats.



Who the fuck cares when deGrom's next start is. Besides, if the Mets can win two more games, they probably clinch a playoff spot.

whippoorwill
Aug 16 2020 06:00 AM
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That's a big if!

LWFS
Aug 16 2020 08:52 AM
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Well, when he skipped Friday, the report was that he would throw on Sunday or Monday and see how it felt.



The report yesterday was... what was expected. No report. Rest. Hurry up and wait.

Frayed Knot
Aug 16 2020 10:16 AM
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Gary at one point last (Sat) night said that both deGrom & Wacha threw earlier in the day ... so there's not NO news.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2020 11:04 AM
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Mets have a couple of Jacob deGrom decisions looming after giving ace an extra day of rest



Excerpt:


Will the Mets use deGrom every fifth game or every fifth day? When factoring in days off for the team, the difference could be one extra start.


https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/jacob-degrom-mets-rotation-1.48916177

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2020 01:25 PM
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Mets have a couple of Jacob deGrom decisions looming after giving ace an extra day of rest



Excerpt:


Will the Mets use deGrom every fifth game or every fifth day? When factoring in days off for the team, the difference could be one extra start.


https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/jacob-degrom-mets-rotation-1.48916177


And Gary Cohen answers the question if it hasn't already been announced: Every fifth day!

nymr83
Sep 08 2020 08:40 PM
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Mets' COVID and a missed start might have doomed deGrom's chances at the CY Young. he is 1 start behind the league leaders (8 to their 9) - that could prove fatal in such a short season.



The current contenders as I see them:



deGrom is second to Darvish in ERA and ERA+ and is first by a slim hair in FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching). deGrom leads the league in strikeouts and K/9 despite the innings difference.



Bauer is the only one with less innings and I included him because he has thrown 2 shutouts! what if he threw 2 more? the stats are going to be hard to separate in such a short year so that is a great narrative for him with voters.



Fried just went on the DL which will likely remove him from the running - he was notable for having allowed zero homers which could have been a nice story for his candidacy if it kept up. He was also undefeated.



I think if it ended today, Darvish wins the award with deGrom 2nd and Fried 3rd.














NameTmWLERAGSSHOIPHRBBSOERA+FIPWHIPSO9
Zac GallenARI112.299055617602003.420.9829.8
Dinelson LametSDP212.249052.1515681932.880.91711.7
Zack WheelerPHI402.47805129361883.071.0986.4
Yu DarvishCHC711.44805038633092.010.8811.3
Max Fried*ATL601.989050017472412.471.068.5
Zach DaviesSDP622.238048.1413421933.290.9317.8
Jacob deGromNYM311.6980484117025320.87513.1
Trevor BauerCIN332.057244613612383.170.86412.5

Edgy MD
Sep 08 2020 09:06 PM
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If that 6-0 for Fried didn't stand out, those 0 homers sure would.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2020 09:19 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

If that 6-0 for Fried didn't stand out, those 0 homers sure would.


Fried's a free agent after this season and will, likely, be the best pitcher on the market. I wonder if I can start dreaming again about the Mets getting top tier free agent talent?



They do need pitching.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2020 09:51 PM
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NameTmWLERAGSSHOIPHRBBSOERA+FIPWHIPSO9
Zac GallenARI112.299055617602003.420.9829.8
Dinelson LametSDP212.249052.1515681932.880.91711.7
Zack WheelerPHI402.47805129361883.071.0986.4
Yu DarvishCHC711.44805038633092.010.8811.3
Max Fried*ATL601.989050017472412.471.068.5
Zach DaviesSDP622.238048.1413421933.290.9317.8
Jacob deGromNYM311.6980484117025320.87513.1
Trevor BauerCIN332.057244613612383.170.86412.5




Here's a few more:



bWAR for Pitchers

1. Fried 2.8

2. Gallen 2.6

3. Darvish 2.4

4. Wheeler 2.3

5. Scherzer 2.1

6. Freeland 1.9

7. Nola 1.9

8. deGrom 1.8

9. Senzatela 1.7

10. Lamet 1.6



fWAR for Pitchers

1. Darvish 2.1

2. deGrom 2.0

3. Fried 1.8

4. Scherzer 1.6

5. Lamet 1.6

6. Wheeler 1.5

7. Hendricks 1.4

8. Castillo 1.4

9. Gray 1.4

10. Bauer 1.4



Adjusted ERA+

1. Darvish 309

2. deGrom 253

3. Fried 241

4. Bauer 238

5. Gallen 200

6. Davies 193

7. Lamet 193

8. Wheeler 188

9. Nola 169

10. Wainwright 163

Edgy MD
Sep 08 2020 10:01 PM
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Darvish seems to be equal or ahead of Fried in every category except that magic homerun number. I wonder what bWAR thinks it's seeing that I'm missing.

Edgy MD
Sep 08 2020 10:03 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

If that 6-0 for Fried didn't stand out, those 0 homers sure would.


Fried's a free agent after this season and will, likely, be the best pitcher on the market. I wonder if I can start dreaming again about the Mets getting top tier free agent talent?



They do need pitching.


Based on what I see, Fried doesn't have nearly enough service time to qualify for free agency. What am I missing?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2020 10:17 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:


Edgy MD wrote:

If that 6-0 for Fried didn't stand out, those 0 homers sure would.


Fried's a free agent after this season and will, likely, be the best pitcher on the market. I wonder if I can start dreaming again about the Mets getting top tier free agent talent?



They do need pitching.


Based on what I see, Fried doesn't have nearly enough service time to qualify for free agency. What am I missing?


Talk about dreaming! I meant Trevor Bauer. I've been conflating those two this year as they've been on top of the pitching leaderboards all season long.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2020 01:47 AM
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That newfound 100+ MPH fastball (yes, that's right -- "plus" (+)) and deGrom's sudden status as baseball's hardest throwing pitcher must be having a positive effect. Because deGrom's on pace to have the best season of his career -- better even than both of his Cy seasons -- at least pro-rated, granted, because he won't get to pitch even half as many innings as he's thrown in either of his two Cy seasons.

nymr83
Sep 09 2020 09:45 AM
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how insane is it that the best pitcher in baseball, already 30, can "find" more velocity? maybe his arm is stronger from the longer offseason? is velocity up league-wide?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2020 11:05 AM
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32.



The Cubs play the Reds tonight. Bauer and Darvish are the scheduled starting pitchers. Root for both teams to score lotsa runs.

Edgy MD
Sep 09 2020 08:16 PM
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Reds lead 3-0 on a first-inning three-run homer off of Darvish by Mike Moustakas, who's only 31 but feels like he's been around for 20 years.

nymr83
Sep 09 2020 08:34 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

Reds lead 3-0 on a first-inning three-run homer off of Darvish by Mike Moustakas, who's only 31 but feels like he's been around for 20 years.


those 3 runs were it for Darvish, who allowed only 2 hits and 3 walks over 6, striking out 9.



Bauer has thrown 7 1-hit innings with 10 K's and is at 101 pitches (the game is in the top of the 8th, unknown if he is done for the night)

nymr83
Sep 09 2020 08:48 PM
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Bauer exits after 7 2/3 with runners on 1st and 3rd and 2 out. hopefully his bullpen lets them score.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 10 2020 07:54 AM
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NameTmWLERAGSSHOIPHRBBSOERA+FIPWHIPSO9
Zac GallenARI112.299055617602003.420.9829.8
Dinelson LametSDP212.249052.1515681932.880.91711.7
Zack WheelerPHI402.47805129361883.071.0986.4
Yu DarvishCHC711.44805038633092.010.8811.3
Max Fried*ATL601.989050017472412.471.068.5
Zach DaviesSDP622.238048.1413421933.290.9317.8
Jacob deGromNYM311.6980484117025320.87513.1
Trevor BauerCIN332.057244613612383.170.86412.5




Here's a few more:



bWAR for Pitchers

1. Fried 2.8

2. Gallen 2.6

3. Darvish 2.4

4. Wheeler 2.3

5. Scherzer 2.1

6. Freeland 1.9

7. Nola 1.9

8. deGrom 1.8

9. Senzatela 1.7

10. Lamet 1.6



fWAR for Pitchers

1. Darvish 2.1

2. deGrom 2.0

3. Fried 1.8

4. Scherzer 1.6

5. Lamet 1.6

6. Wheeler 1.5

7. Hendricks 1.4

8. Castillo 1.4

9. Gray 1.4

10. Bauer 1.4



Adjusted ERA+

1. Darvish 309

2. deGrom 253

3. Fried 241

4. Bauer 238

5. Gallen 200

6. Davies 193

7. Lamet 193

8. Wheeler 188

9. Nola 169

10. Wainwright 163


Some updated stats. Reminder: A pitcher's WAR can change even when that pitcher has the day off.



bWAR for Pitchers

1. Fried 2.9

2. Gallen 2.6

3. Wheeler 2.5

4. Darvish 2.3

5. Scherzer 2.1

6. Bauer 2.1

7. Nola 2.0

8. deGrom 2.0

9. Freeland 1.9

10. Lamet 1.7







fWAR for Pitchers

1. Darvish 2.2

2. deGrom 2.0

3. Burnes 1.9

4. Bauer 1.9

5. Fried 1.8

6. Scherzer 1.8

7. Lamet 1.6

8. Wheeler 1.5

9. Hendricks 1.4

10. Castillo 1.4



ERA

1. deGrom 1.69

2. Bauer 1.74

3. Darvish 1.77

4. Fried 1.98

5. Burnes 1.99

6. Lamet 2.24

7. Gallen 2.29

8. Wheeler 2.47

9. Davies 2.48

10. Nola 2.74



WHIP

1. Bauer 0.794

2. deGrom 0.875

2. Darvish 0.875

4. Burnes 0.904

5. Lamet 0.917

6. Nola 0.953

7. Davies 0.957

8. Gallen 0.982

9. Fried 1.060

10. Hendricks 1.086



FIP

1. Burnes 2.03

2. deGrom 2.03

3. Darvish 2.23

4. Fried 2.50

5. Castillo 2.85

6. Bauer 2.87

7. Gray 2.87

8. Porcello 2.88

9. Lamet 2.91

10. Scherzer 3.06



Adjusted ERA+

1. Bauer 285

2. deGrom 256

3. Darvish 255

4. Fried 246

5. Burnes 234

6. Gallen 203

7. Lamet 195

8. Wheeler 190

9. Davies 176

10. Nola 171

Edgy MD
Sep 10 2020 08:14 AM
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fWAR certainly seems more reliable than bWAR when I look at those rankings.



I kind of like deGrom's chances at this point, but a lot of baseball is left (starting with today).

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2020 07:53 AM
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deGrom held serve last night in the NL Cy race. Nola was a little better last night, though, pitching seven scoreless innings of three hit ball -- no walks and 10 strikeouts.



deGrom currently leads the NL in fWAR, K's, K/9, FIP, and ERA.



https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2020-pitching-leaders.shtml



https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=nl&qual=y&type=8&season=2020&month=0&season1=2020&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2020 08:28 AM
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Bonfires, 360 dunks and a cannon arm: The story of Jacob deGrom's college days



https://theathletic.com/2026342/2020/09/10/jacob-degrom-stetson/



An oral history of Jake deGrom's college days, as told by his Stetson teammates and coaches. Can someone double-check this piece? I think it says that Davey Johnson --that Davey Johnson-- was the one who got deGrom to switch from infielder to pitcher in college. But I'm not 100% sure. I'm maybe 90% sure -- with a little bit of doubt. Because if it was Davey, I think I would've heard that story by now, which I haven't.

G-Fafif
Sep 12 2020 09:39 AM
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Until last night's game developed into a monumentally satisfying blowout, I was more miffed that Jake was to be charged with an earned run than I was delighted by the Mets' substantial lead.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 13 2020 12:13 AM
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[FIMG=666]https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2020/09/09160235/deGrom_Jacob_2008026-scaled.jpg[/FIMG]

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 14 2020 09:29 PM
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Cincy's Trevor Bauer, one of this year's three frontrunners for the Cy Young award, held serve tonight.



6.1 IP

4 H

1 R

1 ER -- ERA - 1.71

2 BB

12 K

(ND)



https://www.espn.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=401226388

A Boy Named Seo
Sep 16 2020 10:47 AM
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Seemed like deGrom and Bauer pulled ahead slightly, but there's Yu Darvish with 2.5 fWAR to Jake's 2.3 and Bauer's 2.1. This is gonna be close, huh.

Edgy MD
Sep 16 2020 04:38 PM
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Yes, and in my experience, a close race is bad for the defending champ.

smg58
Sep 17 2020 09:56 AM
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Tweet from Anthony DiComo:

[BLOCKQUOTE]Jacob deGrom says tonight's hamstring issue actually affected him in his last start in Buffalo as well, but he kept it quiet. And it was worse tonight.



When deGrom said something, the Mets took him out.



"I'm not too worried it's going to be a long-term thing," he said.[/BLOCKQUOTE]


I can't fault his desire to get out there and help the team, but sometimes you have to make discretion the better part of valor.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2020 05:22 AM
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So I went through my bummed out moment last night, as the dream of deGrom winning his third straight Cy seemed to die after the Rays game. Sigh. I thought he was still in the race going into last night's game, but no longer among the real frontrunners after his next to last disastrous outing where he gave up three runs and had to leave after two innings because of a hamstring issue.



deGrom was excellent last night. I'll take two runs allowed over seven innings with 14 K's and consistently hitting 100MPH on the gun every time out. But I thought deGrom needed to be even better than that to make a move on the Cy, plus needing for some of the frontrunners to get roughed up some in their final starts for deGrom to make up lost ground.



But this morning, I checked fangraphs and deGrom's leading the NL in xFIP, and he's second in fWAR to Darvish, 2.7 to 2.6 -- and that one tenth that separates Jake from the top fWAR spot is statistically insignificant, especially where fWAR is a theoretical statistic anyways. So who the hell knows? It looks like deGrom's chances are better than I thought last night, right after the end of the Mets game.



https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=nl&qual=y&type=8&season=2020&month=0&season1=2020&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2020-01-01&enddate=2020-12-31&sort=20,d

bmfc1
Sep 22 2020 07:55 AM
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From Jeff Passan today

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29940841/passan-final-week-mlb-never-seen-before



Who should win the NL Cy Young?



Player A: 69 IP, 7-3, 2.22 ERA, 2.22 FIP, 11.48 K/9, 1.70 BB/9, 0.65 HR/9, 2.7 fWAR, 2.3 rWAR



Player B: 65 IP, 4-4, 1.80 ERA, 3.15 FIP, 12.18 K/9, 2.22 BB/9, 1.25 HR/9, 2.2 fWAR, 2.5 rWAR



Player C: 55 IP, 7-0, 1.96 ERA , 2.62 FIP, 8.18 K/9, 3.11 BB/9, 0.00 HR/9, 1.9 fWAR, 3.1 rWAR



Player D: 63 IP, 4-2, 2.14 ERA, 1.99 FIP, 13.43 K/9, 2.29 BB/9, 0.71 HR/9, 2.7 fWAR, 2.4 rWAR



Player E: 56 IP, 4-0, 1.77 ERA, 1.79 FIP, 13.34 K/9, 3.54 BB/9, 0.16 HR/9, 2.6 fWAR, 2.1 rWAR



Player F: 65.1, 3-1, 2.07 ERA, 2.51 FIP, 12.26 K/9, 2.62 BB/9, 0.69 HR/9, 2.3 fWAR, 2.3 rWAR



This is a lot to digest. Player A is Chicago's Yu Darvish, Player B Trevor Bauer, Player C Max Fried, Player D New York's Jacob deGrom, Player E Corbin Burnes and Player F San Diego's Dinelson Lamet.

Frayed Knot
Sep 22 2020 09:51 AM
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Just as most CY / MVP / ROY contests boil down to September, this final week is essentially the September of this year so the final one or two starts for those guys will likely play a big part in deciding things.

bmfc1
Sep 22 2020 09:58 AM
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Marc Carig adds in the East v Central v West factor. Turns out that the East has the toughest hitters (so that's good for Jake):

https://twitter.com/MarcCarig/status/1308412194942586880

Bauer has 2 more starts (the only "candidate" that does) so he has an extra chance to impress the voters.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 22 2020 10:26 AM
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I really think they should have decided to award three MVP, CY, and ROY awards this year, one for East, one for Central, and one for West. Everything else is off-kilter this season. This would be the least crazy thing on the list.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2020 11:24 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

Just as most CY / MVP / ROY contests boil down to September, this final week is essentially the September of this year so the final one or two starts for those guys will likely play a big part in deciding things.


Sure. But in a 162 game season, there'd be more separation between the pitchers. This year, there's at least a half dozen pitchers that have a realistic shot at the NL Cy Young. Some of those have better chances than others, but they all have a plausible shot.

bmfc1
Sep 22 2020 03:38 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:

I really think they should have decided to award three MVP, CY, and ROY awards this year, one for East, one for Central, and one for West. Everything else is off-kilter this season. This would be the least crazy thing on the list.

This is a good idea as it's like there were 3 separate leagues this year.

Frayed Knot
Sep 22 2020 04:08 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

Just as most CY / MVP / ROY contests boil down to September, this final week is essentially the September of this year so the final one or two starts for those guys will likely play a big part in deciding things.


Sure. But in a 162 game season, there'd be more separation between the pitchers. This year, there's at least a half dozen pitchers that have a realistic shot at the NL Cy Young. Some of those have better chances than others, but they all have a plausible shot.


Well that's pretty much my point, that this upcoming/on-going week and the final one or two starts from each will have an over-sized influence on these awards.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 23 2020 05:49 PM
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Trevor Bauer making it hard on Jake's Cy#3 campaign: 4IP -- O runs on one hit allowed, no walks, 5 K's so far tonight.

nymr83
Sep 23 2020 06:33 PM
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Trevor Bauer making it hard on Jake's Cy#3 campaign: 4IP -- O runs on one hit allowed, no walks, 5 K's so far tonight.



He finally gave up a run but 6 innings 3 hits 1 walk 1 run 9 Ks is still really good.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 23 2020 07:28 PM
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Trevor Bauer making it hard on Jake's Cy#3 campaign: 4IP -- O runs on one hit allowed, no walks, 5 K's so far tonight.



He finally gave up a run but 6 innings 3 hits 1 walk 1 run 9 Ks is still really good.


12 K's over 6 innings, not nine. And he lowered his ERA to 1.73. deGrom can't catch that ERA even if he pitches a complete game shutout in his final start.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 23 2020 07:34 PM
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Trevor Bauer making it hard on Jake's Cy#3 campaign: 4IP -- O runs on one hit allowed, no walks, 5 K's so far tonight.



He finally gave up a run but 6 innings 3 hits 1 walk 1 run 9 Ks is still really good.


12 K's over 6 innings, not nine. And he lowered his ERA to 1.73. deGrom can't catch that ERA even if he pitches a complete game shutout in his final start.




The K's don't compute. If Bauer had 5 K's after four innings, he can't end up with 12 after six. Unless he struck everybody out over the last two innings and got four in one inning because of a ball that got away from his catcher. But the ESPN gamecast box score sez 12. Your nine K's are probably right.

nymr83
Sep 23 2020 08:35 PM
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Trevor Bauer making it hard on Jake's Cy#3 campaign: 4IP -- O runs on one hit allowed, no walks, 5 K's so far tonight.



He finally gave up a run but 6 innings 3 hits 1 walk 1 run 9 Ks is still really good.


12 K's over 6 innings, not nine. And he lowered his ERA to 1.73. deGrom can't catch that ERA even if he pitches a complete game shutout in his final start.




The K's don't compute. If Bauer had 5 K's after four innings, he can't end up with 12 after six. Unless he struck everybody out over the last two innings and got four in one inning because of a ball that got away from his catcher. But the ESPN gamecast box score sez 12. Your nine K's are probably right.


12 K's over EIGHT innings - my update wasn't the end of his outing.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 24 2020 01:01 PM
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fWAR

1. Darvish 2.7

2. deGrom 2.6

3. Burnes 2.6

4. Bauer 2.5

5. Lamet 2.3

6. Castillo 2.2





xFIP (FAngraphs)

1. deGrom 2.43

2. Darvish 2.68

3. Nola 2.75

4. Castillo 2.83

5. Burnes 2.90

6. Bauer 3.22



FIP (bRef)

1. Burnes 1.79

2. deGrom 1.99

3. Darvish 2.23

4. Lamet 2.51

5. Castillo 2.73

6. Bauer 2.87



bWAR

1. Fried 2.9

2. Wheeler 2.9

3. Bauer 2.8

4. Senzatela 2.7

5. Freeland 2.6

6. deGrom 2.5



ERA

1. Bauer 1.73

2. Burnes 1.77

3. Lamet 2.07

4. deGrom 2.14

5. Darvish 2.22

6. Fried 2.25



WHIP

1. Bauer 0.795

2. Lamet 0.872

3. deGrom 0.921

4. Burnes 0.946

5. Hendricks 0.996

6. Darvish 1.000



K/9

1. deGrom 13.429

2. Burnes 13.339

3. Scherzer 12.473

4. Bauer 12.329

5. Lamet 12.260

6. Nola 11.970



K's

1. Bauer 100

2. deGrom 94

3. Nola 90

4. Lamet 89

5. Darvish 88

6. Scherzer 85

6. Castillo 85



ADJUSTED ERA+

1. Bauer 277

2. Burnes 258

3. Fried 213

4. Lamet 207

5. Darvish 201

6. deGrom 198

Johnny Lunchbucket
Sep 24 2020 01:36 PM
Re: This Year's Jacob deGrom Deserves His Own Thread Thread

deGrom's not gonna win another close race with this club behind him. I know some of you like this race but I hate following the individual awards because you gotta hope the other guys screw up

Edgy MD
Sep 24 2020 09:04 PM
Re: This Year's Jacob deGrom Deserves His Own Thread Thread

Well, if nothing else, the Mets should get a taste of all the major awards voting — in some cases more than one player. Conforto and Smitty should see some MVP love, and Peterson and Gimenez should drink from the Rookie of the Year well. Some rebel might throw some points to Guillorme too, but unfortunately, they historically only give RoY voters three votes.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 24 2020 10:23 PM
Re: This Year's Jacob deGrom Deserves His Own Thread Thread

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

deGrom's not gonna win another close race with this club behind him. I know some of you like this race but I hate following the individual awards because you gotta hope the other guys screw up


I'm no longer sure what the club has to do with this. Pitcher Wins, thankfully, are pretty much meaningless by now, in Cy voting Otherwise, there's no way deGrom would've won any of his other Cys. Unless you mean defense?



Though, granted, deGrom's no longer in the driver's seat. I'm guessing that ERA is the most weighted stat and deGrom probably has to pitch something like 11 innings of no-hit ball in his final start to win the 2020 Cy.



But we'll see.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 25 2020 01:41 PM
Re: This Year's Jacob deGrom Deserves His Own Thread Thread

Jayson Stark, who will be voting on the end of the season NL awards, reveals his ballots for The Athletic.



https://theathletic.com/2090616/2020/09/25/stark-handing-out-my-2020-awards-from-cy-young-to-cy-yuk-mvp-to-lvp/



Stark would give Trevor Bauer his first place vote for this year's Cy Young award but concedes that the category is somewhat muddled and that deGrom could still overtake Bauer on his ballot -- but that deGrom would have to have a spectacular final outing.



In the made-up category of LVP or Least Valuable Player, Stark gives the NL award to Yoenis Cespedes. And in the other category Stark makes up, --The Cy Yuk award,-- Steven Matz gets Stark's third place vote.

G-Fafif
Nov 02 2020 06:39 PM
Re: This Year's Jacob deGrom Deserves His Own Thread Thread

Jacob named a finalist for NL Cy Young, much as Meryl Streep inevitably gains an Oscar nomination.