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How about that Andrés Giménez?

Benjamin Grimm Aug 06 2020 12:31 PM

I know it's early in the season. After all, it's only August 6! But why not raise the question... Is it possible that we have a Rookie-of-the-Year candidate in Andrés Giménez? I have a feeling that even if everyone is healthy, as unlikely as that may be, Andrés will keep playing if he keeps producing. So let's assume he does that. Are there any obvious competitors that we'd have to worry about?

Edgy MD Aug 06 2020 12:40 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

I've been following the "race." Right now, the main contender is former Met tanning champion Phillip Evans, currently leading the league with a .485 on-base percentage for Pittsburgh. But behind him, Gimenez is as solid a contender as any.

LWFS Aug 06 2020 01:50 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

How do you forget about a guy nicknamed "Gingergaard?" https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2019/0803/r578695_608x342_16-9.jpg> (Note to our man Gimen: tonsorial appeal helps)

Benjamin Grimm Aug 06 2020 01:58 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

Maybe they should give the awards by Division this year. Have an Eastern Division MVP, Cy Young, etc, and Central, and West. So Gimenez wouldn't be competing against Gingergaard (That's great! I have no idea who he is, but it's a great name!) but against rookies in the NL and AL East. The Mets aren't really sharing a league this year with the Dodgers and Giants and Cubs and Cardinals, but with the Yankees and Red Sox etc.

LWFS Aug 06 2020 02:00 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez? Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Aug 06 2020 10:36 PM

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LWFS Aug 06 2020 02:01 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So Gimenez wouldn't be competing against Gingergaard (That's great! I have no idea who he is, but it's a great name!)... If you like filthy run on a fastball, the pitching is fun, too.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 06 2020 03:45 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I know it's early in the season. After all, it's only August 6! But why not raise the question... Is it possible that we have a Rookie-of-the-Year candidate in Andrés Giménez? I have a feeling that even if everyone is healthy, as unlikely as that may be, Andrés will keep playing if he keeps producing. So let's assume he does that. Are there any obvious competitors that we'd have to worry about? Not only is it possible, but if Gimenez can win the 2020 ROY award while accumulating less than 130 at-bats, he'd still be eligible to win the ROY award next season, as well.

ashie62 Aug 06 2020 04:19 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

The book on Gimenez is all star glove but his slight build questions the offense he can bring Not fair to Gimenez but the "scouts" made Rony Mauricio their designer pick What a nice dilemma.If things go south play Anres everyday. If Mauricio is working out in Nashville bring him up also!

Edgy MD Aug 06 2020 04:25 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

I take it back somewhat. While fWAR suggests Andrés has been productive in the abstract, his negative WPA tells a tale of him not being productive in the concrete. So if you weight both of those metrics equally, he sits in the back of a still-tight field, but one or two big hits can turn around WPA numbers, especially this early. (Not for nothing, but "Nashville"?) RK Player Team Pos. fWAR WPA AVG 1 Edwin Rios Dodgers 1b/3b 0.20 0.69 0.45 2 Carter Kieboom Nationals 3b 0.50 0.32 0.41 3 Phillip Evans Pirates lf 0.40 0.21 0.31 4 Jake Cronenworth Padres 1b 0.40 0.16 0.28 5 Yency Almonte Rockies rp 0.10 0.41 0.26 T6 Dennis Santana Dodgers rp 0.20 0.26 0.23 T6 Rowan Wick Cubs rp 0.20 0.26 0.23 T6 Dustin May Dodgers sp 0.40 0.05 0.23 9 J.T. Brubaker Pirates rp 0.20 0.20 0.20 T10 David Peterson Mets sp 0.30 0.08 0.19 T10 Sam Howard Pirates rp 0.10 0.28 0.19 12 Ryan Helsley Cardinals rp 0.10 0.26 0.18 13 Chadwick Tromp Giants c 0.20 0.07 0.14 14 Drew Smith Mets rp 0.10 0.14 0.12 T15 Stefan Crichton Diamondbacks rp 0.10 0.10 0.10 T15 Sam Hilliard Rockies rf 0.20 -0.01 0.10 17 Brusdar Graterol Dodgers rp 0.20 -0.08 0.06 18 Andrés Giménez Mets 2b/3b/ss 0.20 -0.15 0.03 19 Javier Guerra Padres rp 0.00 0.04 0.02 20 Mauricio Dubon Giants 2b/ss 0.00 -0.11 -0.06 21 Shogo Akayama Reds lf -0.20 0.06 -0.07 22 Edward Olivares Padres rf -0.20 0.03 -0.09 23 Tyler Heineman Giants c 0.00 -0.24 -0.12 24 Nico Hoerner Cubs 2b/ss 0.00 -0.35 -0.18

Edgy MD Aug 06 2020 05:15 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

Javier Guerra, by the way, is trying to pull a Skip Lockwood, debuting in 2018 as a big league thirdbaseman, but now trying to re-establish himself as a big-league reliever.

ashie62 Aug 06 2020 08:59 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

Those three big blue Mets prospects are all playing well. Peterson could be freaky good

Centerfield Aug 06 2020 09:08 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

I like Gimenez a lot. Great hands. Fast. And he just kinda looks like a player. Has a swing that suggests he will hit for average. The problem is he just doesn't have a track record for hitting. A sub .700 OPS at AA isn't exactly encouraging. And the Fall League was nice, but like this season, it's a small sample size. But he's young. Will fill out, and may learn to hit consistently. Was surprised to see him listed as 6'. Doesn't seem like he is.

Edgy MD Aug 06 2020 09:19 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

The Mets have a long history — and it's continued under several regimes/development directors — of pushing a class of Latin American infielders hard, so that observations of their seemingly pedestrian offensive stats are frequently tempered by "but that's pretty good considering he was the youngest/second youngest player in the league." The idea is that they pass a level just proving that they're good enough to belong there, even though they aren't really hitting like All-Stars or anything, and they gain confidence playing with older players, and catch up once they get to the bigs. They are in their third year by the time other players their age are coming up, and they are ready to dominate. That's the theory, anyhow. I tend to have my doubts. Too often such players have been playing defense at the plate facing older pitching, and they debut with little idea of the strike zone.

G-Fafif Aug 06 2020 10:33 PM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

The ROY issue has crossed minds, says Jayson Stark in the Athletic. Here's the deal: We're now two weeks into a 60-game season. There are just seven weeks to go — hopefully. But for the moment at least, baseball's powers that be haven't altered the qualifications for what it means to be “a rookie,” shortened season or no shortened season. And what makes this fascinating is, they're still debating whether changing those qualifications is even a good idea. “We had this discussion with them two weeks ago,” says the Elias Sports Bureau's John Labombarda. “They brought it to our attention, that a player could possibly win the Rookie of the Year without disqualifying himself from winning next year's award. https://theathletic.com/1978925/2020/08/06/next-up-the-first-two-time-rookie-of-the-year/

Edgy MD Aug 07 2020 05:24 AM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

That would be interesting and fun.

Lefty Specialist Aug 07 2020 05:34 AM Re: How about that Andrés Giménez?

Giminez is up too early, and he's going to struggle. He'll be good long term, though. I agree with the 'Mets push their young Latin players hard' theory. Rosario is a prime example of that.