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Pitch Framing 2020

kcmets Aug 07 2020 08:04 PM

I think I'm allowed by contractual agreements to say this once per year. a) If a catcher moves a ball into the strike zone he's admitting it was a ball. b) If an ump calls a framed pitch a strike, he's not doing his job, the strike zone is where the ball crosses the plate. c) People who buy pitch framing as an art or even worthy grading one catcher over another's skills of ridiculous attempts at deception continually confounds me. I'll revisit in 2021.

nymr83 Aug 07 2020 11:34 PM Re: Pitch Framing 2020

=kcmets post_id=43103 time=1596852298 user_id=53] I think I'm allowed by contractual agreements to say this once per year. a) If a catcher moves a ball into the strike zone he's admitting it was a ball. b) If an ump calls a framed pitch a strike, he's not doing his job, the strike zone is where the ball crosses the plate. c) People who buy pitch framing as an art or even worthy grading one catcher over another's skills of ridiculous attempts at deception continually confounds me. I'll revisit in 2021.

I believe there have been studies proving pitch framing is a skill and a very valuable one as ling as we have human beings calling balls and strikes . Now certainly I buy the argument that we should have an electronic strike zone which would render the skill moot.

MFS62 Aug 08 2020 07:18 AM Re: Pitch Framing 2020

=nymr83 post_id=43136 time=1596864894 user_id=54] Now certainly I buy the argument that we should have an electronic strike zone which would render the skill moot.

It wouldn't matter if Angel Hernandez still has a job umpiring in the major leagues.

Later

kcmets Aug 08 2020 07:53 AM Re: Pitch Framing 2020

=nymr83 post_id=43136 time=1596864894 user_id=54]I believe there have been studies proving pitch framing is a skill and a very valuable one as ling as we have human beings calling balls and strikes .

There have been studies on turning iron ore into gold, which is just as silly imho.

bmfc1 Aug 08 2020 09:22 AM Re: Pitch Framing 2020

If Molina turns his hand so that his wrist is within the strike zone whilst the ball is not then it will be called a strike. If Ramos fails to do this so that his wrist is outside of the strike zone and the ball is slightly within it will not be called a strike. That's the magic of pitch framing, literally a sleight of hand. But you're right--a strike is a strike. I think in Boston we saw an ump manage to call a pitch correctly even though the catcher was set up in the opposite direction but that is not always the case. Overall, MLB umps stink. The whole lot of them could be replaced by 30 random AAA/AA/College umps and the quality of ball and strikes would not change. Robot umps forever!!!