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Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

bmfc1 Sep 20 2020 04:13 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 24 2020 06:22 AM

Martino says that he will be back in some capacity as part of the Cohen regime: https://sny.tv/articles/source-sandy-alderson-likely-to-return-to-mets-as-part-of-new-ownership-group

batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2020 04:37 PM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

I was actually thinking about this scenario. More like wishing, or hoping or dreaming. If true, this says a lot about what Sandy must really think of the Wilpons.

vtmet7 Sep 20 2020 05:55 PM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

so the best thing for a team that is slow, unathletic and can't play defense...is to bring back the mastermind that thought that speed, athleticism and defense were unnecessary elements on a baseball team?

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 20 2020 06:09 PM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

That's terrific news. Same guy who brought the Mets Zimmo, McNeil, Smith, Alonso, Peterson, Syndy etc conforto

G-Fafif Sep 24 2020 05:35 AM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/1309085858243411970?s=21

Benjamin Grimm Sep 24 2020 06:09 AM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

Wow! Cohen wants to hit the ground running. If he's approved there will be a LOT of moves this winter.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 24 2020 06:09 AM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

wOw!

Centerfield Sep 24 2020 06:11 AM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

This year has obviously been shit, but if it ends with A vaccine, President Joe Biden, and Steve Cohen it will certainly dull the pain. Imagine us at Citi next year, shoulder to shoulder, joyously cheering President Biden's first pitch to JT Realmuto.

Centerfield Sep 24 2020 06:19 AM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

And for the record, I've been critical of Sandy, probably more than most here. But most of that stemmed from my expectations of him and his willingness to be a mouthpiece for Wilpon garbage. Obviously none of that is an issue anymore. I love Sandy as an executive and a person and am thrilled at this move. It was never right that his last chapter with the Mets was that bullshit press conference.

bmfc1 Sep 24 2020 06:20 AM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1309100933121560578

kcmets Sep 24 2020 06:30 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Sure beats Jennifer Lopez at the helm!! Seriously, splendid news. Why wouldn't Cohen be confirmed or approved?

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 24 2020 06:41 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

We've been over this a million times since Sandy first arrived but he was never a Fred-Jeff guy, except in the sense that Fred and Jeff do what the commish tells them to when they owe him $25 million. That's how he got here. We can probably find the thread where he arrived first and find that speculation

ashie62 Sep 24 2020 06:44 AM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

=Centerfield post_id=47326 time=1600949480 user_id=65] This year has obviously been shit, but if it ends with A vaccine, President Joe Biden, and Steve Cohen it will certainly dull the pain. Imagine us at Citi next year, shoulder to shoulder, joyously cheering President Biden's first pitch to JT Realmuto.

It has been a long time since I have felt optimistic about much of anything.



Just the thought of the above made me smile and feel warm.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 24 2020 07:04 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: We've been over this a million times since Sandy first arrived but he was never a Fred-Jeff guy, except in the sense that Fred and Jeff do what the commish tells them to when they owe him $25 million. That's how he got here. We can probably find the thread where he arrived first and find that speculation From October 2010: Your New GM is Sandy Alderson

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 24 2020 07:32 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Hmmm. Interesting. 10 years ago next month

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 24 2020 08:17 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

So my theory was probably later than that but here's a good thread with lots of ejaculation: http://archives.thecranepool.net/14900/f1_t14982.shtml

Edgy MD Sep 24 2020 12:55 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

=kcmets post_id=47329 time=1600950609 user_id=53] Sure beats Jennifer Lopez at the helm!! Seriously, splendid news. Why wouldn't Cohen be confirmed or approved?

There's a million reasons, not a few of them happening to do with criminal behavior.



I tend to think that the recruiting of a respected baseball man in Sandy — especially by recruiting him before he even becomes the official owner — is about signaling to the rest of baseball owners that he intends to be one of the gang and play by the rules. But playing by the rules has never been his bag.

Fman99 Sep 24 2020 12:59 PM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

Imagine us at Citi next year, shoulder to shoulder, joyously cheering President Biden's first pitch to JT Realmuto. This has replaced 48 internet porn videos as "the sexiest thing I saw on the Internet this week."

kcmets Sep 24 2020 01:08 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: There's a million reasons, not a few of them happening to do with criminal behavior. Nah, he's already a minority owner. Do minority owners not go through some approval thing. I have no idea. It's more likely the divisional owners wont vote him in because they won't have Fred and Jeff to walk all over every year. haha

Edgy MD Sep 24 2020 01:12 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

There's still some vetting to be done. A lot of reporting suggested that the owners wanted Harris Blitzer to come out on top of the bidding, because they've already been vetted and approved by two other leagues.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 24 2020 01:21 PM Re: Remember Sandy Alderson?

Imagine us at Citi next year, shoulder to shoulder, joyously cheering President Biden's first pitch to JT Realmuto. This has replaced 48 internet porn videos as "the sexiest thing I saw on the Internet this week." Show us 49 and 50 please

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 24 2020 01:30 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Seriously the story of how rottenly the brass turned on Alderson is sort of lost in the annals of Wilponian treachery, but if you recall they answered his appointment of Mickey with the announcement that Sandy suddenly was surrounded by Fred-friendly veteran fuckups like Omar and further punting away any momentum by giving him nothing to work with but re-engaging guys he'd already let go like Bruce then couching Sandy's "firing" in a health story as if though they were doing him a favor. Callaway made lots of mistakes but was basically left on his own out there, only to be replaced by another Omar/Brodie "big splash" that failed in Beltran, the Cano deal and now we're going to miss the playoffs in the easiest season ever to make the playoffs behind a bunch of Alderson gets having great years but no leadership. This could be a 20-game swing with the same cast next year.

kcmets Sep 24 2020 01:40 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: There's still some vetting to be done. The owners don't care or vet anything so long as you remain a good ol' boy.

vtmet7 Sep 24 2020 01:47 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Seriously the story of how rottenly the brass turned on Alderson is sort of lost in the annals of Wilponian treachery, but if you recall they answered his appointment of Mickey with the announcement that Sandy suddenly was surrounded by Fred-friendly veteran fuckups like Omar and further punting away any momentum by giving him nothing to work with but re-engaging guys he'd already let go like Bruce then couching Sandy's "firing" in a health story as if though they were doing him a favor. Callaway made lots of mistakes but was basically left on his own out there, only to be replaced by another Omar/Brodie "big splash" that failed in Beltran, the Cano deal and now we're going to miss the playoffs in the easiest season ever to make the playoffs behind a bunch of Alderson gets having great years but no leadership. This could be a 20-game swing with the same cast next year. one "positive" in a negative season could be that at least they might be in a little better position to restock the farm system...I think that we'd currently be 10th in the draft, not great position but still not horrible position either...

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2020 02:02 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Except that it's rare that one draft winds up turning a team around and rarer still that it does so in a short time period. Nimmo was a 13th overall pick but that's coming up on ten years ago now (June 2011); Dom (7th overall) was back in 2013; Conforto (10) in 2014; and David Peterson (20) in 2017 And worse than those who take time before they start to blossom are those who don't work out at all: say Gavin Cecchini (12th in 2012) for instance. Ironically, the quicker way to improve through the draft is often the less popular one: trading recent high picks for current players. Jerred Kelenic (6th, 2018) + Anthony Kay (31st, 2016) for Cano & Diaz comes to mind. Not that those moves always work out either.

smg58 Sep 24 2020 02:28 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Alderson did undervalue defense, but he also took the job when nobody else wanted it and has a trip to the World Series to show for his efforts. He needs to bring in some younger guys who do value defense, or are at least working with a later version of Moneyball than 1.0, but he will have the resources to do so and he strikes me as somebody who is aware of his own limits.

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2020 03:02 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

If nothing else, this puts the team in the position of having a buffer between the owner and the GM and I'm not sure we've ever had a real one of those before. Sandy gets to oversee things while somebody -- whether Brodie or not -- does the day to day GM stuff and that might be better at Sandy's age and with various health issues on his plate. Sandy was, in a lot of ways, the father of analytics in MLB but I don't think his Mets teams were on the cutting edge of that anymore. Maybe that was things passing him by or maybe he wanted to do more but was stymied from above. Or both could be true. What we should watch for as things move forward is the kind of front office he and Cohen put together when this all becomes official. I already fear too many fans expecting (demanding) that a Cohen ownership is going to immediately mean a ballooning payroll for their immediate gratification. But if Sandy can get backing to do what he thinks is necessary and is given the reins to hire the right guys to implement things then we can stop this constant lurching back and forth between philosophies and reacting to last year's trends while the other teams are moving on to the next new thing. THAT is going to be a bigger plus in the long run than just a gratuitous bump in payroll. In other words, if they could, y'know, SHOW US THE PLAN!!!! that would be cool too.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 24 2020 03:38 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

My hope for the offseason is that they bring in a couple of starting pitchers, even better than Michael Wacha and Steven Matz, either through free agency or (maybe) by trading Amed Rosario. Extend Conforto. Sign Realmuto. (And if you can't sign him, sign Artificialmuto.) Maybe get a "natural" centerfielder. That should leave them pretty well positioned for now.

MFS62 Sep 24 2020 04:26 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Frayed Knot wrote: What we should watch for as things move forward is the kind of front office he and Cohen put together when this all becomes official. I already fear too many fans expecting (demanding) that a Cohen ownership is going to immediately mean a ballooning payroll for their immediate gratification. But if Sandy can get backing to do what he thinks is necessary and is given the reins to hire the right guys to implement things then we can stop this constant lurching back and forth between philosophies and reacting to last year's trends while the other teams are moving on to the next new thing. THAT is going to be a bigger plus in the long run than just a gratuitous bump in payroll. Heard the sports reporter on WCBS radio say (I paraphrase) that the signing of Sandy will make the other owners feel the Mets won't go crazy with their spending on the free agent market. Is that just to appease the other owners until after the vote, or, given that WCBS is the team's flagship station, is there some inside info on that? Stay tuned. Later

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2020 04:39 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

The other owners aren't going to approve or not approve Cohen based on what they think he might spend. And speculating what Sandy will spend is silly. He GM'd in Oakland where there was no money and for the Wilpons while they were deep in debt. Those are circumstances, not an unchangeable trend.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2020 03:23 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

I've posted here several times here over the years about just how disappointed I was when the Mets re-signed David Wright to a huge contract after the 2012 season. I thought the Mets were in such horrible shape going into 2013, that they were years away from contending and that that they wouldn't have won half their games the following season even if Wright were to win the NL MVP award. I thought that Wright was the very last player on the 2013 roster that the Mets should've had under contract, especially given Wright's price tag and the Mets wrecked finances, and that with Wright apparently still in peak form and no signs then of the injuries that would eventually derail and ultimately end his career, I figured that Sandy Alderson would've gotten a haul of prospects in a Wright trade. I also speculated that Alderson probably thought along these lines and that the Wright re-signing was the product of the usual Wilpon meddling and their fear of the press and fan reaction. Today I feel somewhat vindicated: The Mets awarded long-term extensions to David Wright and eventually to Yoenis Cespedes. One Alderson ally described the moves as "pushed more by ownership as opposed to baseball ops," and Alderson himself spoke of both moves as important symbols to the fan base and the organization's "brand." However, both proved to be a strain on the budget, limiting the leeway to make other moves. From ‘There's unfinished business': Why Sandy Alderson came back to the Mets https://theathletic.com/2197323/2020/11/17/sandy-alderson-mets/

Centerfield Feb 07 2021 10:01 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

It's interesting to see Sandy in action without the Wilpon influence. I agree with the McCann move, though I would have been fine waiting him out to see if anyone else offered four years. Don't know enough about Trevor May, and love the Lindor trade. I disagree about not matching Toronto for Springer, and I think the whole Bauer thing was nuts. I would have offered Brad Hand three years to get him here. I think he has one more big move left this winter. It would be a disappointment if we ended with Almora and Jake Arrieta.

ashie62 Feb 07 2021 10:04 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

If the Mets were willing to spend/bid on Bauer they could have matched Springer.

nymr83 Feb 07 2021 10:35 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

=Centerfield post_id=55637 time=1612717295 user_id=65] It's interesting to see Sandy in action without the Wilpon influence. I agree with the McCann move, though I would have been fine waiting him out to see if anyone else offered four years. Don't know enough about Trevor May, and love the Lindor trade. I disagree about not matching Toronto for Springer, and I think the whole Bauer thing was nuts. I would have offered Brad Hand three years to get him here. I think he has one more big move left this winter. It would be a disappointment if we ended with Almora and Jake Arrieta.

3 years for Hand? He could have been had for 1 year on waivers and nobody claimed him! You have to think the new regime would have done so if they were in place already

bmfc1 Feb 07 2021 10:52 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Hand wanted to close and then return to the FA market as a closer so the Mets weren't going to get him. They blew it on Springer, even though he's a 31 year-old CF. That's the one that still bothers me.

Centerfield Feb 07 2021 11:03 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Yeah. Springer is the big miss here. I also don't agree that Bauer was the one to prioritize. In the end, they short changed the consistent performer who wanted to be here, and extended themselves for the dickhead with inconsistent results.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 07 2021 11:46 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

I'd be happy if they sign Odorizzi or Walker and extend Conforto AND Lindor. I would declare this a very successful off-season. (It's already very successful. But it can get even more "successfuller")

RealityChuck Feb 07 2021 03:24 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

What I find a big step up in this offseason is that the team is doing things. In the past, it was one or two second-tier free agents and then a bunch of castoffs and reclamation projection. This year you get the impression that Sandy is trying to build a much better club, and even when they fail to get a target, the go all out.

bmfc1 Feb 07 2021 03:55 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

=Centerfield post_id=55644 time=1612721039 user_id=65] Yeah. Springer is the big miss here. I also don't agree that Bauer was the one to prioritize.

My GUESS is that they prioritized Springer but not at either/or that price/those years and then Bauer came back to them n terms of years so with money unspent they tried but couldn't overcome his desire to play in LA.

Centerfield Feb 08 2021 04:02 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Andy Martino speculates the Mets are largely done. Back end starter, bench guys. No more big ticket moves. Are you happy with the winter?

Benjamin Grimm Feb 08 2021 04:03 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Yes. Provided they extend Lindor and Conforto.

bmfc1 Sep 15 2021 05:09 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Per Tim Healy, Sandy will "absolutely" return as team President in 2022... because 2021 worked out so damn well. [BLOCKQUOTE]One of the questions looming for the final weeks of the Mets' season has an answer: Sandy Alderson "absolutely" will stay on as team president for 2022, a source with knowledge of owner Steve Cohen's thinking said Tuesday. That means Alderson will get a second shot at shaping the baseball operations department, including running the search for a president of baseball operations, who then will decide what to do about the general manager job.[/BLOCKQUOTE] https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/sandy-alderson-mets-1.50361859 Here's a live look at Sandy planning his next round of Front Office hires: https://youtu.be/fLpmswBKVN4

MFS62 Sep 15 2021 05:47 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Here's a live look at Sandy planning his next round of Front Office hires: https://youtu.be/fLpmswBKVN4 That is what we see when we look at what he's already put together - Slim Pickin's. Later

Ceetar Sep 15 2021 07:08 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

I have zero faith in Sandy running this team, on or off the field.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 15 2021 07:29 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

He got a bankrupt team with bad ownership to the World Series. This year was obviously a wreck as they didn;t have the [peeps they wanted to have in enough time to secure them. Next Year will be Year 1 all over again

Ceetar Sep 15 2021 08:17 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

because he got lucky with the flyer he took on Addison Reed. (oh, and they made actual acquisitions at the deadline to fill holes, that helped. Wonder where that was this year?) And he promptly squandered all that by failing to build on it, and then he came here this year and WHIFFED on all the holes. George Springer..damn, there couldn't have been a more perfect fit short and long term. What a no-brainer, shame the Mets couldn't find another 5 bucks. Nevermind the hand waving of sexual harassment and then getting annoyed that people didn't like it.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 16 2021 01:04 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

because he got lucky with the flyer he took on Addison Reed. (oh, and they made actual acquisitions at the deadline to fill holes, that helped. Wonder where that was this year?) And he promptly squandered all that by failing to build on it, and then he came here this year and WHIFFED on all the holes. George Springer..damn, there couldn't have been a more perfect fit short and long term. What a no-brainer, shame the Mets couldn't find another 5 bucks. Nevermind the hand waving of sexual harassment and then getting annoyed that people didn't like it. Yeah I think a real analysis of context would show that the Sydergaard trade, some good drafting, some decisions about what NOT to do (Make Fammy a closer instead of paying top retail for one) etc also helped things along. The "failing to build" part is closely tied, in my mind, to Fred's end-around in bringing failures like Omar back to the organization that he helped to wreck when the money ran out. At any rate, I think a Year 1 do-over with more time to plan seems likely especially based on the recent reports. Then there's Cohen today offering a bounty on the head of the leak-ee of this juicy Puma story. https://nypost.com/2021/09/15/mets-president-search-complicated-by-steve-cohens-tweets/ [TWEET]https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1438485830310535172[/TWEET] Years ago I told you I met the one-time Jersey daily beat writer who became a corporate spokesman in my work, and he revealed to me the beaters back then got a lotta "one exec said" stuff from JP Ricciardi, who was run over in Fred's revenge/Sandy's squandering of his hard-won momentum. That's my guess but I'd rather watch a game with Jeff Wilpon

batmagadanleadoff Sep 16 2021 01:17 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

=Ceetar post_id=77825 time=1631711282 user_id=102] I have zero faith in Sandy running this team, on or off the field.

Yes, we know.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 16 2021 01:21 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Then there's Cohen today offering a bounty on the head of the leak-ee of this juicy Puma story. https://nypost.com/2021/09/15/mets-president-search-complicated-by-steve-cohens-tweets/ [TWEET]https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1438485830310535172[/TWEET] Cohen's tweeting is really "something". I wonder if it'll discourage some front office talent from wanting to work for him.

Edgy MD Sep 16 2021 01:57 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Some, maybe, but that's not really a problem. I would expect supply grossly outstrips demand for would-be front office executives. (Who doesn't want that job?) And I'd rather somebody who wants to put their head down in those jobs over those who get off on fostering personal media relationships. I mean, it takes a mindstretch to imagine somebody saying, "You know, the Mets like my credentials, and I think I killed it in my interview, but they really seem to be dicks about execs leaking to the media on the side. I'm going to turn them down and hope something opens up soon with the Rangers."

Edgy MD Sep 16 2021 02:15 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1438518031253082121[/TWEET] [TWEET]https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1438518717302796308[/TWEET] That's not the finest of looks.

Frayed Knot Sep 16 2021 02:26 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Yeah, unless I'm missing something here, this is a very weird exercise to be played out in public by Uncle Stevie.

Ceetar Sep 16 2021 02:37 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Cohen's tweeting is really "something". I wonder if it'll discourage some front office talent from wanting to work for him. A little more public than most, but I imagine most of these asshole owners are similar in their demeanor. Can someone cite the quote? I briefly looked when Steve tweeted it, but Puma hadn't even tweeted the link to his own article and looking at the Post headlines is just full of right wing propaganda and idiocy. (apparently they don't know that someone born in Toronto is an immigrant.) Samson denied it btw, and how would Steve know it was him anyway? Unless Steve is asking Puma's bosses, if they even knew.

A Boy Named Seo Sep 16 2021 02:38 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Putting bounties on people is all the rage nowadays.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 16 2021 02:40 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: Some, maybe, but that's not really a problem. I would expect supply grossly outstrips demand for would-be front office executives. (Who doesn't want that job?) And I'd rather somebody who wants to put their head down in those jobs over those who get off on fostering personal media relationships. I mean, it takes a mindstretch to imagine somebody saying, "You know, the Mets like my credentials, and I think I killed it in my interview, but they really seem to be dicks about execs leaking to the media on the side. I'm going to turn them down and hope something opens up soon with the Rangers." It's not just that tweet or tweeting in general, but that Cohen's tweeting habit could be indicative of other questionable habits. And it could be a big deal if its the one guy at the top of Cohen's list who rejects the Mets because of stuff like this. I'm not suggesting the Mets wont be able to get anybody. It took me so many clicks to type this post correctly, that I probably could've written it five times if I didnt make any mistakes. Fucking smartphone keypad.

ashie62 Sep 16 2021 02:45 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

You pay enough and you will get who you want. It is always about the money. Personally I think Sandy is a dinosaur.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 16 2021 04:05 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Like with Springer and Realmuto.

Edgy MD Sep 16 2021 04:43 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

I got no problem with dinos. I'm a big Flintstone fan.

ashie62 Sep 16 2021 05:02 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Is their a KBO team the Dinos lol. Do we know the Mets were the highest bidders for either Springer or Realmuto?

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 17 2021 04:59 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: [TWEET]https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1438518031253082121[/TWEET] [TWEET]https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1438518717302796308[/TWEET] That's not the finest of looks. Yeah where we have seen influential rich guy with adoring sucker fans engage them to attack the integrity of the press when he hears an opinion he doesn't like.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 17 2021 06:30 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1438551800353787906[/TWEET] So Cohen's alleged "outing" seems based on a dotted line to remarks that Samson had indeed made, several weeks ago and "on the record"--in a podcast. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/samson-why-steve-cohens-critical-tweets-wont-help-the-reeling-mets/ But that certainly doesn't mean that Puma got the same take from him; very more likely, Samson got the same take from the unnamed source who put it to the Puma. This is the sad and sick residue of worshipping rich people who use Twitter as a Bully Pulpit and have no respect for the news media. This is a more insidious brand of shitty ownership than the Wilpons, whose primary crime was being incompetent but unaware of it.

Ceetar Sep 17 2021 09:14 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

The Mets as a whole haven't been particularly kind to the media for years, though Cohen clearly takes it to another level. Brodie was just more tight-lipped in general, basically refusing to give them anything, something Sandy seems to have continued in a way, which probably reflects on other less visible (Harold Kaufman?) front office members. That said, of course, Puma publishing a random individual with, at best, tenuous ties to any active baseball employees is shaping the narrative, not reporting the narrative. It might as well have been a WFAN caller for all the weight it has. This was PUMA saying he thinks Cohen tweeting is unprofessional or whatever, and it comes off as nonsense gate-keeping, something that's already a huge problem for the Mets, and the media harassing them when they do anything outside of how they think it should be done is detrimental to getting a modern, innovative and diverse front office.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 17 2021 09:49 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

This was PUMA saying he thinks Cohen tweeting is unprofessional or whatever, and it comes off as nonsense gate-keeping, something that's already a huge problem for the Mets, and the media harassing them when they do anything outside of how they think it should be done is detrimental to getting a modern, innovative and diverse front office. No, it was his source that said that. The Puma was relaying an angle... which may or not play out... on a vital issue to the beat he covers.

Ceetar Sep 17 2021 10:05 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

not really. One idiot saying thing is not a vital issue unless the writer decides it is. Therefore, PUMA thinks it is. He's the one deciding it's a vital issue. Even if this random person reached out to him and was all "I need to complain about tweeting! how daft!" he could still say "why are you whining to me?". No, Puma likely reached out to contacts. It makes sense, if you're harping that story. It's also why Cohen guessed it was Samson, because it's someone who worked closely with owners, and is likely to have an opinion. OPINION. Him saying so does NOT make it so. Puma thinking it is vital, does NOT make it so. Whether or not Cohen is a dingbat is irrelevant to whether or not the media or discarded former front office folk should be policing how he conducts himself. Especially not the guy who got reprimanded for making fat jokes about the players he covers.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 17 2021 11:02 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

[Oh Jesus. Let's get on board with this much first: The "vital issue" I referenced is the forthcoming appointment of the next leadership team. The "angle" on that is this source's remarks. The messenger who frames up the former through the perspective of the latter is Puma,. All any of us ought to know about what he "thinks" might be,, he's a guy with a job to do,, because he presumably has a family and a mortgage,, and his job requires him to attach a vital issues to an angle, over and over and over again. I wish our fun and insightful discussion of the story of baseball we discuss here everyday was not continually corrupted by ignorance as to the role of news media or its process in helping us understand it. We have had the same argument a hundred times here..

Edgy MD Sep 17 2021 11:23 AM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

If we need a source to say that Cohen's tweets are counterproductive and embarrassing, I'm happy to be that guy. Heck, I'll even put my name on the record. I've expressed my doubts about the notion that it will steer good candidates away from the organization, but I'm more concerned whether the organization will be attracted to good candidates.

Ceetar Sep 17 2021 12:22 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: If we need a source to say that Cohen's tweets are counterproductive and embarrassing, I'm happy to be that guy. Heck, I'll even put my name on the record. well you're not up for a job, and neither is Samson, or likely whoever made the statements. The Mets haven't been particularly forthcoming about who they're searching for, and have bristled at the idea of having a better hiring process, so we don't even really know WHO would potentially be turned away. Which is part of my point. For instance, I can rant about how I wouldn't work for Amazon given how Bezos behaves and the reputation the company has, but if they're not actually considering me and have plenty of people to hire, what does it matter what I think? Also I'd totally cave for the right package. So the statement becomes extra meaningless, because it might not even really be true. See also: vaccine mandates for employers. I've expressed my doubts about the notion that it will steer good candidates away from the organization, but I'm more concerned whether the organization will be attracted to good candidates. Same. 'good' is a little bit of a variable even, and they haven't yet even shown that they're even going to go as far as not hire guys your employees tell them is a creep.

Ceetar Sep 17 2021 12:25 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I wish our fun and insightful discussion of the story of baseball we discuss here everyday was not continually corrupted by ignorance as to the role of news media or its process in helping us understand it. We have had the same argument a hundred times here.. It's not ignorance, it's disagreement as to what that role is, or should be, and not continually just accepting it as it's been for decades.

Marshmallowmilkshake Sep 17 2021 12:46 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Cohen's response turned what would have been a one-day issue in a Puma column into a multi-day issue with other outlets covering it. I can definitely see how that might give a potential executive pause. He should have ignored it. Rookie mistake, and I hope he is learning from these. I don't have a problem with Puma writing the column, but I do think he and his sports opinion brethren grossly overuse anonymous sources. It would have been a stronger, more credible column with someone talking on the record. The team's not going to say who it has in mind if those potential targets are working somewhere else at the present time.

Fman99 Sep 17 2021 12:55 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

I'm so lost. How does a puma send a tweet? They don't have any thumbs. They are all just dull bastards staring at their phones all day, same as everyone. Read a book, fellas. Feed your mind something besides memes and twitchy people in video clips.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 17 2021 02:08 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=78075 time=1631904396 user_id=119] Cohen's response turned what would have been a one-day issue in a Puma column into a multi-day issue with other outlets covering it. I can definitely see how that might give a potential executive pause. He should have ignored it. Rookie mistake, and I hope he is learning from these. I don't have a problem with Puma writing the column, but I do think he and his sports opinion brethren grossly overuse anonymous sources. It would have been a stronger, more credible column with someone talking on the record. The team's not going to say who it has in mind if those potential targets are working somewhere else at the present time.

Jeez, what's your problem with anonymous sources? You write the same gripe at least three times a year. We wouldn't have The Pentagon Papers and the Watergate break-in might still be a secret without anonymous sources. Some sources just cant go public for legitimate reasons. What's your problem with that?

whippoorwill Sep 17 2021 02:14 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

I just typed a long post and got logged out Pissed

Edgy MD Sep 17 2021 02:45 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

I'm certain that I don't need to be informed by you whether or not I'm up for a particular job, ceetar. I promise you that I had no intention of provoking.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 17 2021 04:02 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=78075 time=1631904396 user_id=119] Cohen's response turned what would have been a one-day issue in a Puma column into a multi-day issue with other outlets covering it. I can definitely see how that might give a potential executive pause. He should have ignored it. Rookie mistake, and I hope he is learning from these. I don't have a problem with Puma writing the column, but I do think he and his sports opinion brethren grossly overuse anonymous sources. It would have been a stronger, more credible column with someone talking on the record. The team's not going to say who it has in mind if those potential targets are working somewhere else at the present time.

It wasn't an opinion column! Jeez louise.

Ceetar Sep 17 2021 04:20 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

you know what probably gives quite few people pause on working with the Mets? SEXUAL HARASSMENT. but sure, he sent a bitchy tweet, that's the story.

Marshmallowmilkshake Sep 17 2021 05:41 PM Re: Sandy Alderson, Mets Team President, 2021

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: =Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=78075 time=1631904396 user_id=119] Cohen's response turned what would have been a one-day issue in a Puma column into a multi-day issue with other outlets covering it. I can definitely see how that might give a potential executive pause. He should have ignored it. Rookie mistake, and I hope he is learning from these. I don't have a problem with Puma writing the column, but I do think he and his sports opinion brethren grossly overuse anonymous sources. It would have been a stronger, more credible column with someone talking on the record. The team's not going to say who it has in mind if those potential targets are working somewhere else at the present time. It wasn't an opinion column! Jeez louise.

Apologies. I missed that. I thought Puma was a columnist.