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Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Benjamin Grimm Oct 16 2020 07:36 AM

I suppose it's time to kick off our annual "Let's Talk About" series. This is from an inconsequential article on Yahoo Sports: Asked Wednesday night in an SNY poll which player they would most like to see in a Mets uniform in 2021, Bauer garnered the most votes -- more than J.T. Realmuto, Nolan Arenado, George Springer, and Francisco Lindor. One person who noticed the poll was Bauer's agent, Rachel Luba, who tweeted "I'll be sure to pass this along to @BauerOutage." https://sports.yahoo.com/trevor-bauers-agent-inform-him-152754015.html

MFS62 Oct 16 2020 08:08 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Would be a very good addition to the team. He's a strikeout pitcher, so I don't think the Mets' shoddy defense would hurt him much. But he might be concerned about the frustrating lack of run support after talking to DeGrom (and I think he would before signing here). Assuming Cohen won't spend an unlimited amount of money, I'd rather spend it on a catcher and centerfielder and then go after second tier starters. The team needs more than one to fill out the rotation. Later

Benjamin Grimm Oct 16 2020 08:24 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I've kind of had my fill of second-tier starters. That smells a lot like bringing in another Porcello and another Wacha. You're right, though, we have no idea how much spending Cohen is going to be willing to do. I think he's going to want to go big, but we can't assume that. We can't even assume that he's going to get control of the team.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 16 2020 09:35 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Yeah I am willing to give some 2nd stringers a shot but it can't be the strategy. I can hardly believe the Mets had a starting 5 of deGrom-Syndy-Wheelie-Stroman-Matz/Lugo/Whomever and thought they'd do better breaking it up. And we've been over this before, I'm certain that was only accidental. Bauer is a ... colorful guy. Also, I don;t think anything deGrom tells him about the run support will a-will sway him or his agent in any way; b-be news to Bauer or anyone else with a passing interest in baseball; c-believe inadequate run support 2 years before actually matters or is likely to continue given he's be joining one of the best offenses in the National League;

batmagadanleadoff Oct 16 2020 09:55 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Yeah I am willing to give some 2nd stringers a shot but it can't be the strategy. I can hardly believe the Mets had a starting 5 of deGrom-Syndy-Wheelie-Stroman-Matz/Lugo/Whomever and thought they'd do better breaking it up. And we've been over this before, I'm certain that was only accidental. Bauer is a ... colorful guy. Also, I don;t think anything deGrom tells him about the run support will a-will sway him or his agent in any way; b-be news to Bauer or anyone else with a passing interest in baseball; c-believe inadequate run support 2 years before actually matters or is likely to continue given he's be joining one of the best offenses in the National League; What you said. I'm with all of this. And what a pleasure it is to be having realistic discussions about the Mets acquiring top-tier free agent talent. Hasn't happened here since I've been a member of this furshlugginer forum. Or at least, not "realistic" ones. I'll tell you what -- if the Mets sign just one FA, I'd rather it be Bauer instead of Realmuto. I like JR but he's a 30 year old catcher. The Mets should've signed Realmuto two years ago when they signed Ramos. But the fucking Wilpons.

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2020 10:23 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 16 2020 01:05 PM

Except that Realmuto wasn't a FA two years ago. It was a trade that moved him from Miami to Philly. Bauer, a guy who has more than his share of detractors, was college teammates (UCLA) with, but didn't get along with, Gerrit Cole ... so that could make for an interesting rivalry.

Fman99 Oct 16 2020 10:26 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

He's an asshole. I would have trouble rooting for someone like that. I'd rather see Stroman come back, give you 80-90% potential of Bauer without all the tabloid garbage.

seawolf17 Oct 16 2020 01:31 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=Fman99 post_id=48615 time=1602865609 user_id=86] He's an asshole. I would have trouble rooting for someone like that. I'd rather see Stroman come back, give you 80-90% potential of Bauer without all the tabloid garbage.

This. I have no interest in Bauer at all.

MFS62 Oct 16 2020 02:18 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=Fman99 post_id=48615 time=1602865609 user_id=86] He's an asshole. I would have trouble rooting for someone like that. I'd rather see Stroman come back, give you 80-90% potential of Bauer without all the tabloid garbage.

I usually don't bother reading that stuff.

What kind of assholery are you talking about?

Later

metsmarathon Oct 16 2020 02:36 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

if we're gonna go with promising guys who took forever to have a year that wasn't shaky, i'd maybe be interested in gausman instead, considering bauer's baggage, and the short sample size making me thing this year is not entirely sustainable. that said, he had a hell of a year, and could keep degrom from getting a cy young. so i don't think that i wouldn't want him....

MFS62 Oct 16 2020 03:13 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

He's an asshole. I would have trouble rooting for someone like that. I'd rather see Stroman come back, give you 80-90% potential of Bauer without all the tabloid garbage. I usually don't bother reading that stuff. What kind of assholery are you talking about? Later Looked it up. You're right. With all the reporters around the team (in normal years) it would be a circus. As Gorge Carlin would have said, he's a "wackaloon". Later

kcmets Oct 16 2020 06:08 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

What did he do, say or whatever?

stevejrogers Oct 16 2020 06:23 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=kcmets post_id=48633 time=1602893298 user_id=53] What did he do, say or whatever?

Trumper and major Schiling-like troll when comes to battling others about it.

ashie62 Oct 16 2020 06:25 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Yes, Bauer is a twitter troll. Baseball wise he is 100% mercenary.

kcmets Oct 16 2020 06:29 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=stevejrogers post_id=48635 time=1602894234 user_id=57] =kcmets post_id=48633 time=1602893298 user_id=53] What did he do, say or whatever?

Trumper and major Schiling-like troll when comes to battling others about it.

Ahhh, thanks!

Fman99 Oct 16 2020 09:15 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=stevejrogers post_id=48635 time=1602894234 user_id=57] =kcmets post_id=48633 time=1602893298 user_id=53] What did he do, say or whatever?

Trumper and major Schiling-like troll when comes to battling others about it.


He's a bully who uses his fame and celebrity to shit on regular people like me. He can eat a hoagie roll full of dogshit and well why not maybe some veggies and condiments on top.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 12 2020 05:23 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Todd Zeile last night on Mets Hot Stove said he'd be "shocked" if Bauer didn't end up on the Mets, and Sandy has been openly discussing the possibility. But so far, the only documented offer that Bauer has received is from Edgy MD in the Francisco Lindor thread.

Edgy MD Nov 12 2020 05:38 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

You're wrong. Look at Fman's offer in the post above. Far more generous than mine ... which is disturbing, now that I think about it.

Fman99 Nov 12 2020 05:59 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

That's really a tentative offer, but I'm not worried - I work from home and sit at my front window and I can tell you there's no shortage of dogs shitting in my front yard.

Lefty Specialist Nov 12 2020 06:07 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Yeah, not a fan of Bauer. Has 'explosion' written all over him. He'd probably be half of next year's Tabloid Cover Derby and not necessarily in a good way.

Centerfield Nov 12 2020 06:11 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I'm not sure Bauer will be worth the $30M plus he will command. Plus he's 29, so you're looking at a long term commitment. For less money, you can get Morton, Hendricks, and Hand. All for fewer years. And on top of being a dick, you wonder if this year was a blip or whether it's sustainable. For the first time ever, I feel like we will have people in the room capable of assessing this.

Frayed Knot Nov 12 2020 06:18 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

What Sandy has said to date is: Bauer “would be a great personality in New York ... the kind of guy that fans would endorse. We're in the entertainment business.” Bauer's response was: “I heard Sandy's comments, and it was refreshing to hear him speak that way about me, ... In the past, a lot of the narrative surrounding me is I couldn't handle a big market, a big media market, I was a headcase, or whatever the case is, that's kind of been the narrative. So to hear that someone as high-ranking as Sandy feels the way he feels about that is refreshing and good to hear him speak like that. I'm certainly very appreciative of that." I don't translate either side of that to be evidence of a love-fest. Sandy/Stevie don't want to give the impression that they're going to be scared away by someone who is a little different, nor is it in Bauer's interest to act like he needs the perfect conditions to succeed and start shutting doors before this whole thing even starts.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 12 2020 08:15 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

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Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2020 12:45 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Bauer seems to be heavily wooing the Mets. Maybe it's because they're his top choice, or maybe because he wants the billionaire in on the bidding.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2020 12:49 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1239425235457196034/xHndM2cG.jpg> And Bauer's agent, Rachel Luba, is even prettier than Scott Boras!

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 16 2020 01:38 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Yeah he wants the big buxx. But you know I read somewhere he can throw like 18 different pitches. Was the third overall pick in his draft (2 behind Gerritt Cole) and ahead of notables like George Springer (11) and Brandon Zimmo (13)

LWFS Nov 16 2020 01:52 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Frayed Knot wrote: What Sandy has said to date is: Bauer “would be a great personality in New York ... the kind of guy that fans would endorse. We're in the entertainment business.” Bauer's response was: “I heard Sandy's comments, and it was refreshing to hear him speak that way about me, ... In the past, a lot of the narrative surrounding me is I couldn't handle a big market, a big media market, I was a headcase, or whatever the case is, that's kind of been the narrative. So to hear that someone as high-ranking as Sandy feels the way he feels about that is refreshing and good to hear him speak like that. I'm certainly very appreciative of that." I don't translate either side of that to be evidence of a love-fest. Sandy/Stevie don't want to give the impression that they're going to be scared away by someone who is a little different, nor is it in Bauer's interest to act like he needs the perfect conditions to succeed and start shutting doors before this whole thing even starts. He would definitely appeal to a certain segment of New York/Mets fandom. I actually like what he does on the field a LOT-- he's bright as hell in terms of applying analytics to tweak his own performance, and the self-analysis he does after most starts (including the ones where he gets bombed) is intriguing. I have to admit, I've watched a few of his post-start breakdown videos. That said... he seems to be of the mindset that being smart-for-a-ballplayer leaves him with the right to be the nasty, condescending sort of smart to others online... even if you set aside the doofy Libertarian politics, he's got a nasty habit of whoops-ily sending his fanboy army to doxx/harass people who have the gall to disagree with him online. I think it's that sort of stuff that bothers me more than the particular-- if loathsome-- political slant. I'm torn. But, yeah, if I had my druthers-- and it seems we're increasingly able to dream of very specific druthers, regardless of cost-- I'd rather not mix my Doms and Petes and Stros with my Bauers, rooting interest-wise.

smg58 Nov 16 2020 02:01 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Bauer seems to be heavily wooing the Mets. Maybe it's because they're his top choice, or maybe because he wants the billionaire in on the bidding. I'm sure he'd like to have 30 billionaires in on the bidding.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 18 2020 06:36 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

The guys on Mets Hot Stove tonight seem to agree that Bauer should be the Mets' top free agent target. And really, after what we saw last season, a kick ass starter would probably provide the biggest impact.

Centerfield Nov 19 2020 05:46 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

It's a new world for these SNY shows. I always thought they were being used as mouthpieces to justify the Wilpon agenda. Now, it's just a bunch of guys that have no idea what's going to happen. No different than us.

Fman99 Nov 19 2020 06:57 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I'd like him more if he wasn't such a shitty online troll. I mean, that's OUR job, not his.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 19 2020 02:57 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Interestinig Talkin' Baseball podcast today, focusing on pine tar use by pitchers to increase spin rate. Bauer supposedly was a big user this year. MLB is looking the other way at this point. But if it ever decides to crack down on it, the thought is Bauer will go from Cy Young to medicore. I don't understand the batters who glop it on all over the place, then get it all over their uniforms and helmets.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2020 02:41 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Bob Klapsich wrote: #Mets are moving closer to George Springer and/or Trevor Bauer. Ultimate target is TBD. I'm told @StevenACohen2 is leaning towards Springer; Alderson would like to sign Bauer. Either one would be a huge upgrade in Flushing. I'm rooting for AND over OR.

LWFS Dec 09 2020 05:44 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

He IS a Trevor, and we could always use another 1-4 of those

MFS62 Dec 30 2020 07:44 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Jon Heyman is telling us the asking price - a LOT! https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mlb-rumors-trevor-bauers-asking-133848521.html Later

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 30 2020 08:13 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

There's no way anyone is going to give Bauer $40 million a year. I wonder if he risks teams hearing that and moving on.

Centerfield Dec 30 2020 08:45 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

He then attacked Heyman on Twitter for reporting this. This guy might be a bit of a dick.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 30 2020 10:21 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=Centerfield post_id=52981 time=1609343139 user_id=65] He then attacked Heyman on Twitter for reporting this. This guy might be a bit of a dick.

Yeah there's a lot of ways to say that something's untrue without coming off like a snotty prick like Trevor did. He may end up being a Met and a pretty good one, but I don't see any way this dude doesn't have another couple tantrums in him going forward. Like, this is how he acts when he's a free agent and everything's rosy and everyone is courting him?

Edgy MD Dec 30 2020 11:47 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

The delusion that the right to free speech means you are protected from having to account for what you speak (or write) is degrading so much. Community can't survive lying with impunity. You know what was a good adjective that isn't used much any more? "No-account." I'm bringing it back.

Centerfield Dec 31 2020 07:10 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I comfortable with a Bauer-less winter. Get me Springer, Sugano, Brad Hand and a reclamation project starter and I'm good. Lindor, Bryant or Arenado without giving up too much would be icing on the cake.

Lefty Specialist Jan 01 2021 07:29 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

A Boy Named Seo wrote: =Centerfield post_id=52981 time=1609343139 user_id=65] He then attacked Heyman on Twitter for reporting this. This guy might be a bit of a dick. Yeah there's a lot of ways to say that something's untrue without coming off like a snotty prick like Trevor did. He may end up being a Met and a pretty good one, but I don't see any way this dude doesn't have another couple tantrums in him going forward. Like, this is how he acts when he's a free agent and everything's rosy and everyone is courting him?

I'm leaning against Bauer. He's going to want too much, and the dickishness is really going to show up in the New York press. I can't see this ending well. I'd be okay with bypassing him. There are other ways to improve the pitching.



Springer, on the other hand, I want and badly.

TransMonk Jan 01 2021 09:22 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Lefty Specialist wrote: ...the dickishness is really going to show up in the New York press. This is a major item on my Bauer "con" list, too. I am hoping for less dickishness in my life.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 01 2021 09:38 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Baseball Prospectus 2020 commentary on Trevor Bauer heading into the 2020 season (player comments are typically at least one paragraph long): "For all the coverage concerning Bauer, we now have a lot of data - 1,117 innings worth - suggesting he's a mid-rotation starter. "

A Boy Named Seo Jan 02 2021 09:54 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Baseball Prospectus 2020 commentary on Trevor Bauer heading into the 2020 season (player comments are typically at least one paragraph long): "For all the coverage concerning Bauer, we now have a lot of data - 1,117 innings worth - suggesting he's a mid-rotation starter. " Bauer's a little like McCann, though, in that his best work is his most recent work. ‘18 and ‘20 are top-of-the-rotation numbers. His behavior seems to be mid-rotation for sure.

Edgy MD Jan 02 2021 01:32 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

His behavior is position-player-throwing-a-mopup-ninth from where I sit. As for his best work, I look at it as if his agent is Lionel Hutz saying, "Hey, he won a Cy Young in 2020, and that was kind of a season."

ashie62 Jan 02 2021 07:00 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Bauer is a dbag. Nothing more nothing less. Pass.

nymr83 Jan 22 2021 08:56 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Ken Rosenthal with a new article on The Athletic today suggesting the Mets are hot for Bauer again with the Springer sweepstakes over. Lets get it done!

Fman99 Jan 23 2021 05:13 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I still want no part of this guy.

Lefty Specialist Jan 23 2021 07:31 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

After firing Porter for harassment, bringing Bauer on might be problematic if they truly have a 'zero-tolerance' policy.

nymr83 Jan 23 2021 09:01 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Lefty Specialist wrote: After firing Porter for harassment, bringing Bauer on might be problematic if they truly have a 'zero-tolerance' policy. Tolerance towards sexual harassment of women and tolerance towards being a jerk on Twitter arent the same

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 23 2021 10:31 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I kinda wanna see it happen just for the shits, giggles and 18 different pitches

Frayed Knot Jan 23 2021 02:38 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Yeah, I'm not nearly as down on the idea of Bauer as many of the rest of you. He's a bit unorthodox, but he's also smart, he's competitive, and he's good. And while talking trash to folks on Twitter isn't my cup of tea, I also don't read Twitter so (within reason) it's unlikely to bother me. Besides, isn't that why Twitter was invented, to talk stupid to folks?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 23 2021 02:52 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I was able to root for Lenny Dykstra, so I think I could root for Trevor Bauer.

smg58 Jan 23 2021 06:21 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Bauer has had a bunch of "eh" seasons and two very good ones. The first good season was 2018, where he had a HR/FB rate that was way lower than any other year. The second was last year, where his BABIP was .215 -- again, way lower than any other year. I think the best case scenario for him is an ERA that averages in the low threes. So basically, you could justify giving him what Wheeler got. Anything more than that is asking for serious trouble. But even then, we already have DeGrom, Carrasco, Stroman, Peterson, and probably Syndergaard for the second half. Given that you could have gotten a high-quality righthanded bat who's at least average with the glove in center, or you could have gotten Realmuto instead of McCann, would Bauer really give the team the best upgrade for the money? I think the answer is no.

bmfc1 Jan 23 2021 08:33 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

smg58 makes a salient point: if Bauer then why not Realmuto or Springer? ... unless Bauer's price has gone way down and now he's too good to pass up, any problems notwithstanding.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 23 2021 09:22 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Because you dont know how the Mets are defining "value". How fluky do they think Mccann's improvement is? Or do they think that maybe he Daniel Murphy'd his way into a new and better level of good? And how much of the price or salary is included in value. It might be more for one team than for another. So how true is it that the Mets are gonna focus on quality instead of the price? Also, Realmuto and Springer are off the board so I'm not sure how relevant it is to compare Bauer's potential contract to the contracts of those two. And maybe the Mets were counting on getting some of their cumulative team value from Realmuto or Springer but now are trying to make it up through Bauer. Also, we might never know, but maybe the Mets fucked up the Realmuto and Springer negotiations by playing too cute or too hard to get or by not acting with enough urgency and now regret it.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 23 2021 09:26 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I'll tell you this much, the Realmuto whiff never made much sense to me, especially the line that they wouldn't have been able to trade for Lindor if they had signed Realmuto instead of McCann.

ashie62 Jan 24 2021 05:39 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Trevor Bauer is an elite pitcher. I see deGrom/Bauer as better than deGrom/Syndergaard. I have to believe Bauer's price has come down. Spend on an SP1 before thinking of Realmuto or Springer. McCann is a nice fit at C as it stands.

Edgy MD Jan 24 2021 08:23 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I think the evidence that Bauer is an elite pitcher is mixed at best, and quite possibly could be better described as specious. I think the evidence that he's a malicious troll is much stronger, and that's going to be a hard thing to reconcile with the Mets trumpeting their alleged "zero tolerance" policy.

ashie62 Jan 24 2021 11:13 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

He is a malicious troll for sure. his twitter tantrums speak to this. On any given day he is as good as they come. Those "given days" do not seem to happen on any type of consistent basis. He may be the best out there for this moment but Joey Luchesse may be also.

smg58 Jan 24 2021 11:25 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=54674 time=1611462382 user_id=68] I'll tell you this much, the Realmuto whiff never made much sense to me, especially the line that they wouldn't have been able to trade for Lindor if they had signed Realmuto instead of McCann.

I could justify it if I think Francisco Alvarez is going to be better than Realmuto halfway through Realmuto's contract, but I don't really know anything about Alvarez yet. I think any speculation on what the Mets can/can't do after the Lindor trade is silly right now, especially if the Mets do land Bauer or spend plenty of money elsewhere. But if the Mets hold their cards the rest of the way, Cohen's status as somebody who will spend to win takes a hit. The team as it stands is not done.

nymr83 Jan 24 2021 02:27 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=bmfc1 post_id=54672 time=1611459207 user_id=73] smg58 makes a salient point: if Bauer then why not Realmuto or Springer? ... unless Bauer's price has gone way down and now he's too good to pass up, any problems notwithstanding.

maybe it isn't his AAV that has gone down, it has long been rumored that Bauer wants, or is at least open to, a short-term deal. Maybe Uncle Steve or Sandy would rather pay Bauer far more in 2021/2022 as opposed to be stuck with with Springer in 2025 looking even less center-fielder-y than Nimmo does today?

bmfc1 Jan 24 2021 03:47 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

The previous two comments are logical and can be read together: they didn't want to be committed to Realmuto long-term when Alvarez might be ready during that period; they didn't feel that Springer would be worth a 6-year deal at his age; and, perhaps that Bauer's shorter contract (3 or 4 years?) is a good value.

nymr83 Jan 24 2021 03:57 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Right. I feel very strongly that with the richest owner in the sport the Mets shouldnt need to be so concerned with overpaying this year or even next year for performance. The bigger concern would be a long term albatross contract.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 24 2021 07:40 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jan 25 2021 11:52 PM

=bmfc1 post_id=54684 time=1611528447 user_id=73] The previous two comments are logical and can be read together: they didn't want to be committed to Realmuto long-term when Alvarez might be ready during that period;

So then why did the Mets even pursue Realmuto in the first place? Did the Mets think that they, a major market team playing in the largest city in North America with, suddenly, one of the 30 richest men in the world as owner, were going to sign Realmuto, perhaps the top and most sought after free agent of this class and indisputably the best at his position, for 60 cents on the dollar? And to a six year contract with team opt outs every season beginning in the third year of the contract? In case Alvarez was ready?



I wonder if Steve Cohen is trying thread a needle that's impossible to thread: On the one hand, he's baseball's richest owner and he can buy any player he wants to buy if he's determined enough and money is the decisive issue, which it almost always is. This gives him and the Mets an enormous advantage when competing against the other teams for free agents. But when negotiating against individual players, he doesn't want to appear so wealthy and eager to sign players that the free agents he's targeting can just wait Cohen out until Cohen gives in and pays whatever price they're asking for plus a premium just because Cohen can afford to. But what's Cohen to do? His vast wealth isn't exactly a secret. And if he really is drawing a line at the luxury tax, then he no longer has a financial advantage over the other rich teams, like the Yanks, Dodgers, etc. Then, it would no longer matter that he's at least three or four times wealthier than every other owner. So maybe he has to spite himself and drop out of the Realmuto chase simply to establish a precedent that he's not going to pay whatever the hell FA's want even though he can. Is that what he's doing?

Edgy MD Jan 24 2021 07:45 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

The Mets play in Mexico City?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 24 2021 07:50 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Mexico's in Central America as far as I'm concerned. So is Madagascar.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 24 2021 09:59 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 25 2021 11:49 PM

=smg58 post_id=54680 time=1611512702 user_id=62] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=54674 time=1611462382 user_id=68] I'll tell you this much, the Realmuto whiff never made much sense to me, especially the line that they wouldn't have been able to trade for Lindor if they had signed Realmuto instead of McCann.

I could justify it if I think Francisco Alvarez is going to be better than Realmuto halfway through Realmuto's contract, but I don't really know anything about Alvarez yet. I think any speculation on what the Mets can/can't do after the Lindor trade is silly right now, especially if the Mets do land Bauer or spend plenty of money elsewhere. But if the Mets hold their cards the rest of the way, Cohen's status as somebody who will spend to win takes a hit. The team as it stands is not done.


Here's another reason - and it might also explain the Mets sudden renewed interest in Trevor Bauer: maybe the Mets are counting on -- or at least hedging their bets -- for significantly and permanently expanded playoffs in the future, something like 2020's playoffs. In that case, having a high payroll in excess of the luxury tax, or even close to it, would be overkill in putting together a playoff-contending team what with .500 teams suddenly qualifying and the playoffs themselves being a crapshoot for the most part. A great pitching staff though, might take on greater importance and having three top-line starters might be the right formula for success in the expanded playoffs.



The owners would love permanent expanded playoffs believing that playoff games -- even watered down playoff games -- are more profitable and that the system should drive salaries down.

ashie62 Jan 25 2021 03:04 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Isn't is as simple as the Mets got McCann to be their primary catcher and move on?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2021 11:54 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=ashie62 post_id=54699 time=1611569078 user_id=90] Isn't is as simple as the Mets got McCann to be their primary catcher and move on?

That might be. But the Mets are gonna say that, no matter what went down. They're gonna put a positive spin on every deal they make. Or do you expect the Mets to announce that they fucked up by playing too cute with Realmuto? Or that Cohen, one of the 30 richest people in the world, made his first splash in free agency by backing out of the Realmuto negotiations because Realmuto was too expensive? Do you expect the Mets to publicly embarrass McCann before he even puts on the Mets uniform by saying that they preferred Realmuto but settled for next-best?

MFS62 Jan 26 2021 08:38 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Just heard on WFAN that the Mets have put a short term deal on the table for Bauer. It has a higher annual amount than Cole (his is around $33 million per year), but the number of years was not announced. Later

Centerfield Jan 26 2021 09:02 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

It's becoming apparent that Sandy and I don't see eye to eye at all. Of all the big free agents, Bauer would have been last on my list. But it seems like this is the one where he's being the most aggressive. I mean, if I were going to blow by the tax, then it's Springer, Hand and maybe Sugano. Even if Bauer signs we still need a CF and a lefty reliever. I just don't get it.

RealityChuck Jan 26 2021 09:03 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=MFS62 post_id=54796 time=1611675536 user_id=60] Just heard on WFAN that the Mets have put a short term deal on the table for Bauer. It has a higher annual amount than Cole (his is around $33 million per year), but the number of years was not announced. Later

This seems like the smartest move. The problem isn't big contracts; it's long-term contracts that remain big as the player ages.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 26 2021 09:16 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Mets offer to free agent pitcher Trevor Bauer would approach record-setting average annual contract It's unknown whether Bauer has any other formal offers, but it's unlikely any team has made a higher bid, establishing the Mets as the clear favorites to land baseball's top free-agent pitcher.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 26 2021 09:16 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1354087673288417291

Fman99 Jan 26 2021 09:26 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Mets offer to free agent pitcher Trevor Bauer would approach record-setting average annual contract It's unknown whether Bauer has any other formal offers, but it's unlikely any team has made a higher bid, establishing the Mets as the clear favorites to land baseball's top free-agent pitcher. This almost makes it seem more palatable - I don't think the Metsies are going 10 years $40 mil per. Highest ever average annual salary is probably over a very short (2-3 year) period. That's my guess.

LWFS Jan 26 2021 12:25 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Bauer has TENDED to stick to one-year deals-- presumably, with a higher AAV-- for a few reasons. [BLOCKQUOTE]“I want to be able to be happy playing the game that I love. So I want to end up in situations that make me happy and make me fulfilled. That can be situations like the Reds have, where there's just a really great group of people that just make me fulfilled as a person,” said Bauer. If the quote stopped there it would be great news to the organization, and probably to many fans who would like to see him stick around in the rotation for a while longer. But the quote didn't end there. “That can be situations like jumping into a team that's going to go on a playoff run and hopefully win a World Series. That can be a team that would let me pitch every 4th day or treats me with respect in a way that no other team has. Or whatever the case is – there's certain things that are more important to me than money. And I want to be able to control where I play and when and the situations I'm in so that as I change too, and things become more important to me, or less important to me as I evolve that I can tailor fit my situation to reflect that.” Winning certainly seems important to Bauer, as it is for nearly every high-level athlete. “I want to be on a contender every year because I love competing at the highest level and the highest level is the World Series,” he said. “So I want to have a chance to go to the World Series every single year. And the way baseball is currently structured, there's not many teams that go into spring training trying to win the World Series that year.”[/BLOCKQUOTE] It's quite something to see someone slowly 24-and-1 himself, innit?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 26 2021 01:01 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

As long as he doesn't ask for a tent...

nymr83 Jan 26 2021 01:13 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Bauer has TENDED to stick to one-year deals-- presumably, with a higher AAV-- for a few reasons. [BLOCKQUOTE]“I want to be able to be happy playing the game that I love. So I want to end up in situations that make me happy and make me fulfilled. That can be situations like the Reds have, where there's just a really great group of people that just make me fulfilled as a person,” said Bauer. If the quote stopped there it would be great news to the organization, and probably to many fans who would like to see him stick around in the rotation for a while longer. But the quote didn't end there. “That can be situations like jumping into a team that's going to go on a playoff run and hopefully win a World Series. That can be a team that would let me pitch every 4th day or treats me with respect in a way that no other team has. Or whatever the case is – there's certain things that are more important to me than money. And I want to be able to control where I play and when and the situations I'm in so that as I change too, and things become more important to me, or less important to me as I evolve that I can tailor fit my situation to reflect that.” Winning certainly seems important to Bauer, as it is for nearly every high-level athlete. “I want to be on a contender every year because I love competing at the highest level and the highest level is the World Series,” he said. “So I want to have a chance to go to the World Series every single year. And the way baseball is currently structured, there's not many teams that go into spring training trying to win the World Series that year.”[/BLOCKQUOTE] It's quite something to see someone slowly 24-and-1 himself, innit? What exactly is wrong with these quotes? He wants to win, he wants to decide where he works - its not like he agreed to a 5 year deal and then made a stink to get traded (Hi Deshaun!), if he prefers to look for the best deal every year and ignore the injury risk to himself, cool! i'd be much happier if the Mets signed him SHORT term anyway!

smg58 Jan 26 2021 01:14 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Say the Mets get half a year of 4.00 ERA from Lucchesi and half a year of 3.20 ERA from Syndergaard. Is Bauer worth $33M more than that? I'm concerned that the Mets were told to spend to the luxury tax threshold, then didn't pull the trigger on multiple free agents, and are now determined to get somebody with the money they still have even if he's not the best fit.

LWFS Jan 26 2021 05:24 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Bauer has TENDED to stick to one-year deals-- presumably, with a higher AAV-- for a few reasons. [BLOCKQUOTE]“I want to be able to be happy playing the game that I love. So I want to end up in situations that make me happy and make me fulfilled. That can be situations like the Reds have, where there's just a really great group of people that just make me fulfilled as a person,” said Bauer. If the quote stopped there it would be great news to the organization, and probably to many fans who would like to see him stick around in the rotation for a while longer. But the quote didn't end there. “That can be situations like jumping into a team that's going to go on a playoff run and hopefully win a World Series. That can be a team that would let me pitch every 4th day or treats me with respect in a way that no other team has. Or whatever the case is – there's certain things that are more important to me than money. And I want to be able to control where I play and when and the situations I'm in so that as I change too, and things become more important to me, or less important to me as I evolve that I can tailor fit my situation to reflect that.” Winning certainly seems important to Bauer, as it is for nearly every high-level athlete. “I want to be on a contender every year because I love competing at the highest level and the highest level is the World Series,” he said. “So I want to have a chance to go to the World Series every single year. And the way baseball is currently structured, there's not many teams that go into spring training trying to win the World Series that year.”[/BLOCKQUOTE] It's quite something to see someone slowly 24-and-1 himself, innit? What exactly is wrong with these quotes? He wants to win, he wants to decide where he works - its not like he agreed to a 5 year deal and then made a stink to get traded (Hi Deshaun!), if he prefers to look for the best deal every year and ignore the injury risk to himself, cool! i'd be much happier if the Mets signed him SHORT term anyway! Nothing's objectively wrong with them, I suppose. But it literally sets him apart from his teammates and team, as someone who ,as a rule (as THE rule), will not commit to an organization.

Edgy MD Jan 26 2021 08:24 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

The subtext of a guy trying to brag about "wanting to win" is a self-centered willingness to detach himself from and/or dump any bunch of losers that isn't getting it done at the time. It's making a virtue of front-running. You want the guy who is in the grind with you whether things are going well or not. Similarly, the subtext of demanding "respect in a way that no other team has" is demanding to be indulged in ways other players do not. When a guy says "I want to be able to control where I play and when and the situations I'm in so that as I change too, and things become more important to me, or less important to me as I evolve that I can tailor fit my situation to reflect that," as a reader, I see only three ways to control what he wants to control: 1) Play better. 2) Help your teammates play better. 3) Engineer yourself onto a team in a better position in the standings. It's more honorable to do the first two of these. For a guy to openly state how important it is for him to have the leverage to do the third strikes me as remarkably small. I know no small amount of jocks follow this line of thinking to one extent or another. Maybe we all do. But it's not everybody who is 100% in on the mercenary program and open about it.

MFS62 Jan 28 2021 05:07 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

My theory: I think (hope) this is all about the back pages of the papers. The Mets are signing Bauer and the Jets are getting Watson. Both teams don't want to share the back pages if the deals are announced on the same day, so they're playing chicken to let the other team announce their blockbuster first. I can dream, can't I? Later

nymr83 Jan 28 2021 08:21 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

It would be Bauer. At the end of the day, New York is a baseball town.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 04 2021 02:24 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Bauer's agent: https://twitter.com/AgentRachelLuba/status/1357436987469254658?s=20

Benjamin Grimm Feb 04 2021 03:06 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

CBS News reporting that the two teams are the Mets and the Dodgers, and Jon Heyman says that the Mets are expecting a decision within the next 24 hours.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 04 2021 03:47 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1357456199663386632[/TWEET]

Edgy MD Feb 04 2021 04:27 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Eddie Coleman reports that it's closey-close, with an opt-out option after one year.

Marshmallowmilkshake Feb 04 2021 05:04 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

He's a Southern California guy, Dodgers have a playoff run and are the World Champs. Huge media market. If the money is close, I can sure see him going there. I'd love to know if there is contract language about keeping his social media stuff under control.

smg58 Feb 04 2021 05:16 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

One team will win by losing.

Frayed Knot Feb 04 2021 05:48 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=55439 time=1612483443 user_id=119]... I'd love to know if there is contract language about keeping his social media stuff under control.

I'm more interested as to whether there's language aimed at keeping his use of drones under control.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 04 2021 06:43 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Heyman says it's three years, $100 million. With the opt-out after 2021 as mentioned above.

Centerfield Feb 04 2021 07:43 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Sandy loves that Yoenis-style contract.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 05 2021 06:20 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

The latest I heard is that it's three years, $93 million, with $37 million the first year and then an opt-out. So if Bauer has a great year he'll opt out, and if he sucks he still gets two more years at $28 million each. Good deal for him. http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2021/20210205_NSD_02.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2021/20210205_NYP_02.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2021/20210205_NYDN_02.jpg>

Fman99 Feb 05 2021 08:02 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

After the PR shit show that the Porter & Callaway stories have been, I'm also curious to know what kind of measures they can take to keep Trevor Bauer from, you know, Trevor Bauer-ing all over the place and making a mess of things.

Edgy MD Feb 05 2021 08:15 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I realize I didn't see the Reds at all last season, and it's interesting how that already questionable right-breast number-on-front conflicts with the swoosh.

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 05 2021 08:19 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

He's an arrogant douche no doubt. --much of the more "controversial" aspects of his arrogance and douchery come off to me as an act --most top athletes seem to require some degree of internal arrogance; Bauer's thing is turning it outward and getting off on having done that --The Mets have gotten scorched on careless hires I think "short leash" is the way to go with this douche.

Edgy MD Feb 05 2021 08:21 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

That's what's odd about the one-year opt-out. He would have the Mets on a shorter leash than they would have him on.

kcmets Feb 05 2021 08:27 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Unofficially, he's a Met!

kcmets Feb 05 2021 08:34 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

14 hour old pop up on my tablet, please ignore the man behind the curtain.

MFS62 Feb 05 2021 08:41 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

14 hour old pop up on my tablet, please ignore the man behind the curtain. ABC-TV New York did the same thing last night on the 5:30 newscast. Leaning into the commercial before the sports report, they announced upcoming story about, "The newest Met". Just a tease to keep us waiting for ..... nothing new, just that the negotiations were ongoing. Sneaky bastages, toying with us. Later

batmagadanleadoff Feb 05 2021 08:55 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I don't like that tweet by his agent: "Down to 2". There's something show-offy or off-putting or attention-getting about that.

Edgy MD Feb 05 2021 08:57 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

She's a kid. This negotiation is seemingly very much about her brand advancement.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 05 2021 09:00 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Edgy MD wrote: She's a kid. This negotiation is seemingly very much about her brand advancement. It's amateurish. And how does a "kid" nail down a big name client like Bauer?

G-Fafif Feb 05 2021 09:28 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Resolution soon, reportedly by noon. Davidoff and Sherman: The Mets have put Trevor Bauer on the clock. The Post has learned that the Mets set a noon deadline Eastern time Friday for Bauer, the free-agent starting pitcher, to take or leave their offer that totals between $100 million and $110 million over three years. The package features opt-outs for Bauer after both 2021 and 2022. The proposal pays Bauer high salaries for the first two years — about $40 million each season — with a drop for 2023. With the Mets concerned that the Southern California native Bauer prefers the Dodgers, the other team in the mix for the reigning NL Cy Young winner, they felt compelled to press the right-hander for the decision one way or the other. https://nypost.com/2021/02/05/mets-set-deadline-for-trevor-bauer-decision-after-making-huge-offer/

MFS62 Feb 05 2021 09:29 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

It's amateurish. And how does a "kid" nail down a big name client like Bauer? According to a story I read a few months ago, she had read that he was unsatisfied with his agent, so she just asked him. Later

smg58 Feb 05 2021 09:45 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

They would have had a lot more leverage with the deadline if they had set it while there were still multiple plan Bs on the table. As it stands, it's signing Bauer or choosing to go under budget when nobody was imposing financial constraints from above.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 05 2021 09:51 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

She's young but she's talented. She was a buddy of Trevor's from UCLA, but she's also a take-no-shit lawyer who worked for MLBPA.

Willets Point Feb 05 2021 09:51 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I don't really know anything about Bauer. What exactly is the nature of his controversial comments? Does he trash talk opponents or is a he a QAnon supporter? Or somewhere in-between?

Edgy MD Feb 05 2021 09:56 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Somewhere in between is probably most accurate, but leaning to the latter. Baiting supporter of no-account conspiracy mongering. Sics his followers on people who dare to challenge him, accepts no blame for the pile on (and worse) that his followers may take part in, which is almost a textbook no-acccount move.

Willets Point Feb 05 2021 10:01 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Ugh.

MFS62 Feb 05 2021 10:14 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

12:14 PM Nada Later

Willets Point Feb 05 2021 10:19 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

His Twitter handle is @BauerOutage which seems like a bad metaphor to me. Shouldn't it be @BauerStation or @IGotTheBauer or something that doesn't sound like he's failing?

Fman99 Feb 05 2021 10:22 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I think it's implying that he produces a lot of outs? I dunno.

Edgy MD Feb 05 2021 10:22 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

@BauerOfReckoning @TheWitchingBauer @BauerOfPower

MFS62 Feb 05 2021 10:23 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

From SNY: Feb. 5, 12:01 p.m. There are "mixed signals at best" from people involved in the Bauer talks regarding whether there was a 12 p.m. ET deadline from the Mets, reports SNY's Andy Martino. Joel Sherman of The New York Post reported earlier Friday that the Mets had given Bauer until 12 p.m. ET on Friday to accept their offer. Later

Willets Point Feb 05 2021 10:25 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=Fman99 post_id=55479 time=1612545760 user_id=86] I think it's implying that he produces a lot of outs? I dunno.

I guess that's fair.

metsmarathon Feb 05 2021 10:29 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

man, i'm conflicted about the dude. i mean on a personal level. i think so much of him is just a social awkwardness and forced contrarianism that comes across as a massive asshole. and maybe he really is a narcissistic asshole, who isn't nearly aware enough of other people. i don't know that he's necessarily clubhouse poison, unless a team demands he fit into a mold he clearly doesn't fit. and i surely don't think he rises to the level of terribleness that mickey and porter have reached. he also doesn't like calloway, or especially gerrit cole, so there's that. it could all fall apart, and he could be an intolerable asshole, i suppose. but there are certainly worse people in baseball available, which is faint praise to be sure.

Centerfield Feb 05 2021 10:31 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Willets Point wrote: =Fman99 post_id=55479 time=1612545760 user_id=86] I think it's implying that he produces a lot of outs? I dunno. I guess that's fair.

I dunno. To me it sounds like something that would require a little blue pill.

Edgy MD Feb 05 2021 10:37 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=metsmarathon post_id=55483 time=1612546147 user_id=83]but there are certainly worse people in baseball available, which is faint praise to be sure.

Hey, the Mets could sell it that way!

Willets Point Feb 05 2021 10:38 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

The Team. The Time. And Not the Worst People In Baseball.

Willets Point Feb 05 2021 10:41 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Catch the Rising Not Worst People in Baseball.

MFS62 Feb 05 2021 10:44 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

They're multi-tasking. It was just announced that they won their arbitration case against JD Davis. Later

A Boy Named Seo Feb 05 2021 10:46 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=metsmarathon post_id=55483 time=1612546147 user_id=83] man, i'm conflicted about the dude. i mean on a personal level. i think so much of him is just a social awkwardness and forced contrarianism that comes across as a massive asshole. and maybe he really is a narcissistic asshole, who isn't nearly aware enough of other people. i don't know that he's necessarily clubhouse poison, unless a team demands he fit into a mold he clearly doesn't fit. and i surely don't think he rises to the level of terribleness that mickey and porter have reached. he also doesn't like calloway, or especially gerrit cole, so there's that. it could all fall apart, and he could be an intolerable asshole, i suppose. but there are certainly worse people in baseball available, which is faint praise to be sure.

Yeah I think there's some insecurity there. He has big opinions on lots of things, but you can't get upset and argue with people on twitter knowing all your followers will chase them down to bully them. Turn your notifications off, bro.

metsmarathon Feb 05 2021 10:51 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

there's so much insecurity, and coping, and overcompensating. he could really benefit from a non-dudebro mentor, though i don't know where those exist in the sports world. i just browsed through an SI puff piece on the dude, and, like, i can feel for how he got where he is, and how he is the way he is. he'd always been told how not to do things, and pushed through and did it his own way. so there's certainly some built-in resistance to doing the pr thing, or the social interaction thing, "the right way". it's what gives me hope that he's not necessarily a bad dude, just a different dude gone astray.

Edgy MD Feb 05 2021 10:57 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Willets Point wrote: Catch the Rising Not Worst People in Baseball. Bring Your Not-Worst People in the Family to See Our Not-Worst People in the League!

A Boy Named Seo Feb 05 2021 11:04 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Trev's social media intern may have jumped the gun on some shit https://twitter.com/DeeshaThosar/status/1357749371660550145?s=20

MFS62 Feb 05 2021 11:24 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=metsmarathon post_id=55490 time=1612547471 user_id=83] i just browsed through an SI puff piece on the dude, and, like, i can feel for how he got where he is, and how he is the way he is. he'd always been told how not to do things, and pushed through and did it his own way.

Maybe that's why he didn't respond by the Mets 12:00 deadline. The deadline might piss him off.

Later

bmfc1 Feb 05 2021 12:53 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Let's not talk about him again until the Mets play the Dodgers.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 05 2021 12:54 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Bauer to the Dodgers, per Heyman. lololol

batmagadanleadoff Feb 05 2021 12:58 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I had a feeling that the Mets weren't going to sign Bauer as soon as I read that they gave him an ultimatum.

seawolf17 Feb 05 2021 12:58 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I care about this literally zero percent. Didn't care before he signed, don't care now. We'll see him in the NLCS, I suppose?

RealityChuck Feb 05 2021 01:06 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Probably best he signed elsewhere. Now they can talk about extending Conforto and Syndergaard.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 05 2021 01:06 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Yeah I think it's interesting to see the Mets had limits they absolutely wouldn't cross on Realmuto, Springer and Bauer. All very good players, but arguably not top-20, in the heart-of-their-prime players. I think maybe that's good?

Willets Point Feb 05 2021 01:08 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I'm fine with him not being a Met, but mad that he's a Dodger. I really don't need that team to become a dynasty.

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 05 2021 01:10 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Do the Mets still need a good-ass starting pitcher? I think they do. Also I think they'll soon make some other announcement.

seawolf17 Feb 05 2021 01:12 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=RealityChuck post_id=55514 time=1612555594 user_id=82] Probably best he signed elsewhere. Now they can talk about extending Conforto and Syndergaard.

Yup. 100%. Would rather sign both of them than Bauer.

stevejrogers Feb 05 2021 01:14 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=RealityChuck post_id=55514 time=1612555594 user_id=82] Probably best he signed elsewhere. Now they can talk about extending Conforto and Syndergaard.

Don't forget the shiny new shortstop!

kcmets Feb 05 2021 01:19 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=bmfc1 post_id=55508 time=1612554834 user_id=73]Let's not talk about him again until the Mets play the Dodgers.

Lol, suits me fine.

MFS62 Feb 05 2021 01:27 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I hope he regresses to norm, a 3.90 career ERA. Later

metsmarathon Feb 05 2021 01:41 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

well. fuck him, then.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 05 2021 01:41 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=seawolf17 post_id=55518 time=1612555970 user_id=91] =RealityChuck post_id=55514 time=1612555594 user_id=82] Probably best he signed elsewhere. Now they can talk about extending Conforto and Syndergaard.

Yup. 100%. Would rather sign both of them than Bauer.


Because the Mets can't walk and chew gum at the same time. And they can't afford Conforto, Syndergaard and Bauer on the same team at the same time. But the Dodgers can. The team that already has the highest payroll and a third of the money Steve Cohen has, they can afford Bauer. Not the Mets. Because being the 30th richest person in the whole wide world isn't all it's cracked up to be, money-wise.

Edgy MD Feb 05 2021 01:46 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Wait... the Dodgers got Conforto and Syndergaard too?!

Fman99 Feb 05 2021 01:49 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

He's the Cy Young winner -- you know, from a 60 game season. So, $40 million for two good months? Dodgers can have him. Justin Turner can give him a fat Covid kiss when he gets there.

LWFS Feb 05 2021 01:49 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Yeah I think it's interesting to see the Mets had limits they absolutely wouldn't cross on Realmuto, Springer and Bauer. All very good players, but arguably not top-20, in the heart-of-their-prime players. I think maybe that's good? It's VERY frontloaded, so he gets his highest-AAV white whale in both 2021 (40M) and 2022 (45). Unless he's injured or arrested/convicted of something in 2022, he's not staying the third year. So... he's essentially getting paid like he's already Greg Maddux/Randy Johnson, only he gets to opt out after Year 1 if he actually lives up to said contract. ALL the risk is on the Dodger side, and it's fully priced in. I like his chances of being a good pitcher from this point on, but... Christ, that seems like a shitty deal. If Odorizzi can give you 75 percent of Bauer's value over the next two years-- a VERY good bet-- at, like, 1/3 the price... that's a MUCH better buy. (Provided you use the savings and don't Wilpon 'em or give 'em to a VC buddy.)

LWFS Feb 05 2021 01:53 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Not incidentally... it felt REALLY good to unfollow him on Twitter just now.

TransMonk Feb 05 2021 02:02 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

100% OK with him going to LA.

Centerfield Feb 05 2021 02:17 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Let's go get Hendricks and Bryant.

smg58 Feb 05 2021 02:26 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=MFS62 post_id=55524 time=1612556851 user_id=60] I hope he regresses to norm, a 3.90 career ERA. Later

He would have had the sixth lowest career ERA among starting pitchers on the Mets' roster.

smg58 Feb 05 2021 02:26 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=RealityChuck post_id=55514 time=1612555594 user_id=82] Probably best he signed elsewhere. Now they can talk about extending Conforto and Syndergaard.

You mean Lindor.

Lefty Specialist Feb 05 2021 03:13 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=TransMonk post_id=55532 time=1612558942 user_id=71] 100% OK with him going to LA.

Given his history, he'll crash and burn sooner or later. Better he does it with someone else. There's still talent out there, let's get some.

ashie62 Feb 05 2021 03:18 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Dodgers overpaid in every way. Nothing to see, move along.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 05 2021 03:41 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Dodgers overpaid in every way. So what? You give a shit? This bothers you? It's your money? And how much more money was the Dodgers offer compared to the Mets, anyway? Because the Mets didn't offer to "overpay"? The Mets offered more money and would've made Bauer the highest paid player over the first two years of the contract.

LWFS Feb 05 2021 03:51 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

The Dodgers DID make Bauer the highest paid player over the first two years. One would presume they offered more.

nymr83 Feb 05 2021 03:59 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Dodgers overpaid in every way. So what? You give a shit? This bothers you? It's your money? And how much more money was the Dodgers offer compared to the Mets, anyway? Because the Mets didn't offer to "overpay"? The Mets offered more money and would've made Bauer the highest paid player over the first two years of the contract. Its not my money and wouldnt have bothered me at all. What does bother me is the structure - I would have been fine with 1 year or 3 years but not a series of 1 year opt ins for the player - THAT would have been a bad deal where the Mets get all the risk and none of the reward

Edgy MD Feb 05 2021 07:23 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

There's a pain point for everybody. The only guy I want to overpay for is Lyle Overbay.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 05 2021 10:35 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Edgy MD wrote: There's a pain point for everybody. The only guy I want to overpay for is Lyle Overbay. Whose "pain point" are you talking about? Yours? Or the Mets? Because if it's your "pain point", why should we care? (Make your case). And if it's the Mets "pain point", well the Mets offered Bauer more money than the Dodgers did. I can't complain about the Mets pursuit of Bauer. They did all they could. It appears that Bauer wanted to play for his home town team all along and migtht've been using the Mets as a bargaining chip against the Dodgers. I don't have a gripe with the posters here who didn't want the Mets to sign Bauer for personality reasons. Even though Syndergaard never had a 60 game stretch as good as Bauer's 2020. And even though Bauer was better than Syndergaard over the last three seasons even if Bauer was mediocre in 2019. And Bauer's not coming off of Tommy John surgery. Whatever. I thought Gary Carter was an enormous dick, too, but I tolerated him. A different sort of dick. A manipulative dick. But a dick. Still, Bauer comes with performance risks. His Cy Young came in a 60 game season where he pitched almost exclusively against his division. He's using a substance to enhance his spin rate and should baseball suddenly crack down on the use of that substance, well then who knows how good Bauer will be, then. Maybe another 2019? Who knows? My beef is with these posts about how now the Mets can afford to extend Conforto and Syndergaard, having not signed Bauer. I mean, $30M is like pizza-pie money to Steve Cohen but I guess this hasn't sunk in. And yes, Syndergaard will come a lot cheaper than Bauer. That's because Syndergaard's not as good.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 06 2021 07:42 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

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Edgy MD Feb 06 2021 08:17 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Edgy MD wrote: There's a pain point for everybody. The only guy I want to overpay for is Lyle Overbay. Whose "pain point" are you talking about? Yours? Or the Mets? Everybody's. My pain point was one year and one dollar. I don't want this guy representing my team.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 06 2021 08:39 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=LWFS post_id=55548 time=1612565509 user_id=84] The Dodgers DID make Bauer the highest paid player over the first two years.

So did the Mets.


=LWFS post_id=55548 time=1612565509 user_id=84]
One would presume they offered more.


They (the Dodgers) didn't.



The Mets: 40/35/30 with opt outs after each of the first two years and an extra $5M thrown in if Bauer opts out after the second season.



The Dodgers: 40/45/17 with opt outs after each of the first two years.

LWFS Feb 06 2021 11:16 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=55573 time=1612625949 user_id=68] =LWFS post_id=55548 time=1612565509 user_id=84] The Dodgers DID make Bauer the highest paid player over the first two years.

So did the Mets.


=LWFS post_id=55548 time=1612565509 user_id=84]
One would presume they offered more.


They (the Dodgers) didn't.



The Mets: 40/35/30 with opt outs after each of the first two years and an extra $5M thrown in if Bauer opts out after the second season.



The Dodgers: 40/45/17 with opt outs after each of the first two years.


Considering that-- in either scenario-- he's unlikely to stay after seasons 1-2 if he does well, the massively-frontloaded offer is more preferable, right?



Point is, he leveraged the Met offer to get the California one he wanted (which didn't exist before Friday morning, by all reports). Which is understandable, fair play... until you get to the HOW, with the social media teases and leading on the team you're negging AFTER the decision has presumably been made. It's like the idiot-12-year-old way of doing this sort of thing, and of COURSE it leaves a bad taste.

bmfc1 Feb 07 2021 04:13 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

https://nypost.com/2021/02/07/mets-thought-they-had-reached-a-deal-with-trevor-bauer/ Was Bauer's agent disingenuous or did the Dodgers simply outwork the Mets at the last minute?

G-Fafif Feb 07 2021 06:00 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

https://nypost.com/2021/02/07/mets-thought-they-had-reached-a-deal-with-trevor-bauer/ Was Bauer's agent disingenuous or did the Dodgers simply outwork the Mets at the last minute? Queen Latifah is AGENT DISINGENUOUS ...coming up after the Super Bowl on CBS

Fman99 Feb 08 2021 05:00 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

The guy actually posted a multi-tweet apology to Mets fans for inadvertently leaking promotional materials that he wanted to have ready to go. I'm not really sure what his angle is on this, aside from potentially trying to keep the door open for another FA flirtation next winter if he has a good 2021 and opts out of his LA deal.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 08 2021 05:08 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

The guy actually posted a multi-tweet apology to Mets fans for inadvertently leaking promotional materials that he wanted to have ready to go. I'm not really sure what his angle is on this, aside from potentially trying to keep the door open for another FA flirtation next winter if he has a good 2021 and opts out of his LA deal. I don't buy it and that tweet was no mistake. He's a fucking idiot. (And a great pitcher). I can't quite put my finger on it but that tweet and his agent's tweet -- "Down to 2" -- annoy me more than anything else Bauer did. He played the Mets as far as I'm concerned.

smg58 Feb 08 2021 06:33 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

https://nypost.com/2021/02/07/mets-thought-they-had-reached-a-deal-with-trevor-bauer/ Was Bauer's agent disingenuous or did the Dodgers simply outwork the Mets at the last minute? I see no need to assume an either/or here. The agent did the job she was hired to do, and I don't think she or Bauer cares if you disagree with the methods. And the Mets seemed to go through the whole offseason incorrectly assuming nobody would produce a more desirable deal.

smg58 Feb 08 2021 06:41 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I don't buy it and that tweet was no mistake. Yes. He's a fucking idiot. (And a great pitcher). Yes to the first part. That, couple with Bauer only being occasionally great, make me think this is a blessing in disguise. I can't quite put my finger on it but that tweet and his agent's tweet -- "Down to 2" -- annoy me more than anything else Bauer did. He played the Mets as far as I'm concerned. It never seemed to occur to the Mets that the Southern California native might have an interest in playing for the Southern California team with a wider wallet and a roster that is perfectly capable of repeating as champions even without him.

Edgy MD Feb 08 2021 07:29 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I don't think there's any evidence that would lead me to conclude that the Mets didn't believe the competition was real.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 08 2021 07:52 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I think Cohen's pulling punches either to not annihilate his competitors or to send a signal that he won't be "had". And the upshot is that he whiffed on Realmuto, Springer and Bauer for a collective total amount of money that's pennies to him.

ashie62 Feb 08 2021 06:02 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Bauer is not a great pitcher. Good? Yes. Very good? now and then.

Edgy MD Feb 08 2021 06:57 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I must've missed something. Did the Mets make an offer to J.T. Realmuto?

Frayed Knot Feb 08 2021 07:43 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I think Cohen's pulling punches either to not annihilate his competitors or to send a signal that he won't be "had". Or, after spending, what?, somewhere around 1/5 of his wealth buying the team, he's opting to spend based on the revenue the club creates rather than spending at a pace that might require him to dump even more cash into it in the very first year, especially when you consider that the club's revenue was limited last year by a shortened season played without fans and conditions are uncertain heading into this season.

Centerfield Feb 08 2021 07:58 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Cohen made $2 billion+ last year. So he ended up at break even plus the Mets. Cohen is concerned with playing nice, not being taken for a ride, and possibly the non-monetary penalties associated with the tax. He is not, in any way, concerned about the extra $20 million to George Springer or the last few years of the Realmuto deal.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 08 2021 11:15 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Frayed Knot wrote: I think Cohen's pulling punches either to not annihilate his competitors or to send a signal that he won't be "had". Or, after spending, what?, somewhere around 1/5 of his wealth buying the team, he's opting to spend based on the revenue the club creates rather than spending at a pace that might require him to dump even more cash into it in the very first year, especially when you consider that the club's revenue was limited last year by a shortened season played without fans and conditions are uncertain heading into this season. Give me a break already. Cohen's like no other owner and in a category all by himself. You could steal $30M from him every single month and he wouldn't even notice. Do you also think that the Mets are worth what Cohen paid for based upon strict accounting principles? Jeez, I guess it woulda bankrupted him to offer Springer another $20M or $25M. Spread out over six years.

Frayed Knot Feb 09 2021 02:32 PM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

I gotta say, I find amusing this idea that Cohen is basing his spending decisions on how he thinks it might make the other owners feel. =batmagadanleadoff post_id=55755 time=1612851341 user_id=68] Do you also think that the Mets are worth what Cohen paid for based upon strict accounting principles?

I have no idea

Jeez, I guess it woulda bankrupted him to offer Springer another $20M or $25M. Spread out over six years.

Yeah, that's not remotely what I said.

TransMonk Feb 13 2021 09:24 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

https://twitter.com/BauerOutage/status/1360338977836789760 Dude couldn't make it past day one in LA before being upset at contradictory press. He would've been eaten alive in NYC and it would have been embarrassing for all. The Athletic article in question was an editorial from a female reporter pointing out what Bauer didn't say at his Dodger intro that she wishes he would have.

Edgy MD Feb 13 2021 09:44 AM Re: Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

Pretty funny to lament the declining latter-day fake news standards of a once-great journalism outlet that's less then five years old.