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You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Fman99 Sep 10 2020 01:09 PM

Season opener tonight, Houston vs. Kansas City. And as there's no Mets game, I'll be watching. I even threw down a $4 Fanduel bet to make it interesting.

MFS62 Sep 11 2020 11:41 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

The cardboard fan images in one section included Queen Elizabeth II, The Rock and Captain KIrk. You gotta' say KC has an eclectic fanbase. Later

kcmets Sep 20 2020 02:48 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I can see how one Falcon vapor locks on an onside kick and doesn't smother a ball before it travels ten yards, but jeez like four Falcons fucked up? Weird.

MFS62 Sep 20 2020 02:57 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I can see how one Falcon vapor locks on an onside kick and doesn't smother a ball before it travels ten yards, but jeez like four Falcons fucked up? Weird. We've all have heard "the ball must travel 10 yards" so often that it doesn't register that it does not apply to the receiving team. Bad special teams coaching. Later

Frayed Knot Sep 28 2020 06:45 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Since when does the clock restart when a player runs out of bounds?? I thought all out of bounds plays triggered a stop of the clock until the next snap but clearly that's not the case anymore, or at least not universally the case. So what's the rule? Three different plays tonight just in the first two possessions involved running out of bounds and in each case the clock appeared to stop for about 5 seconds before restarting. Is 5 seconds the rule? I was thinking maybe when the refs re-spot the ball but these stops were too quick for that. And this can't be the case towards the end of the game because running O-o-B is a late game strategy. Is this all new or am I or has this been the case for a couple of decades and I am (as I am in so many things) some 20 years behind the times?

TransMonk Sep 29 2020 12:09 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

From wiki: A player carrying the ball goes out of bounds. The clock stops in all 4 quarters and, for most of the game, it is restarted upon the referee spotting the ball and blowing the whistle to signal the resumption of play. In college football, the clock restarts upon the snap of the ball when the clock was stopped with less than 2:00 left in either half. The NFL rule is the same as in the college game for the first half of games, but the clock restarts upon the snap when there is under 5:00 left in the 4th quarter. Confusing for sure. Not sure it answers your ?

TransMonk Sep 29 2020 12:11 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Multiple players on the Tennessee Titans test positive for COVID. Much tougher to postpone/makeup games when you only have 16 to play with. Maybe they'll play 3-quarter double headers? https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/titans-record-eight-new-positive-covid-19-tests-team-shuts-down-club-activities-per-report/

Frayed Knot Sep 29 2020 01:02 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

=TransMonk post_id=47669 time=1601402948 user_id=71] Confusing for sure. Not sure it answers your ?

I could have sworn that a run O-o'-B resulted in a stopped clock until the snap, but clearly that's not (no longer?) the case and the plays I saw it didn't seem like they were waiting for the spot either as the clock was running just a few seconds later.

Fman99 Oct 01 2020 07:41 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

These fucking Jets, for Chrissakes. Four personal foul penalties in the first half!

MFS62 Oct 01 2020 11:39 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

The "brilliant offensive mind" didn't either have the balls or the play on 4th and 1/2 yard to possibly win the game. So they went for a field goal. Gase shouldn't have been allowed to clean out his locker after the game. His stuff should have been in the trash can by the time he got there. And if they fire him like they should, typical Jets luck that it won't even make the front pages of the papers because of the tRump Covid announcement. Later

Frayed Knot Oct 03 2020 12:49 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Two NFL games have now been pushed back from this weekend [Steelers/Titans and Pats/Chiefs] on account of Covid. For now at least, Pats/Chiefs is supposed to be only delayed until Monday or Tuesday, except that the same thing they initially said about the Titans game which is now off until they can swap around off-week dates later in the season. And since, as the NFL always says; '[CROSSOUT]the health and safety of our players[/CROSSOUT] maintaining maximum ratings is our number one priority' so they're going to do everything they can to get NE (even minus Brady) vs Mahomes Jr onto your telly set as soon as possible, particularly since the league has very little flexibility to reschedule games.

MFS62 Oct 03 2020 12:58 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

The things that Belichick will try to protect his QB from pass rushers! Later

Frayed Knot Oct 04 2020 05:17 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

There was a replay review in the Buffalo / LVR game a short time ago that took a full EIGHT minutes to adjudicate!! Oh but there will be a time limit so it will only lengthen games slightly By the time the next play was finally run the gap between plays was closer to nine minutes. The reviewed play, btw, was left unchanged.

MFS62 Oct 12 2020 07:56 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I think there's no such thing as COVID-19. It is just a plot by the NFL to have games on TV every day of the week. Later

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2020 02:22 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

It's amazing how many positive Covid tests in the NFL have turned out to be 'false positives' ... or maybe it's not so amazing.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2020 02:27 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

And the dream of having double 0-16 seasons by the two New [CROSSOUT]York[/CROSSOUT] Jersey teams is gone ... but that's only because the Giants got to play [CROSSOUT]the Redskins[/CROSSOUT] Washington.

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2020 08:35 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

So barring a stunning comeback from the Cowboys (currently getting their asses kicked to the tune of 28-3 in the closing seconds of the 3rd quarter) the 1-5 NY Giants will be sitting one game out of first place in the NFC (L)East by the time tonight is over.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2020 06:18 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I've decided that I know who is going to be the loser of tonight's Giants/Eagles game ... the viewing public.

MFS62 Oct 23 2020 05:53 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Frayed Knot wrote: I've decided that I know who is going to be the loser of tonight's Giants/Eagles game ... the viewing public. They were. If anyone needs to ask why the NFC East is the worst division in the NFL they should watch a tape of that game. Later

LWFS Oct 23 2020 09:12 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Frayed Knot wrote: I've decided that I know who is going to be the loser of tonight's Giants/Eagles game ... the viewing public. I watched a good portion of this game instead of the debate, and I'll stipulate: this was ugly, sloppy garbage at times... but it was several multiples more entertaining than any Jet game to which I've subjected myself this season. (Never mind the debate.)

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2020 10:33 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Saw just the highlights .. and while I've seen runners tripped up at the 20 yard line, this was the first time seeing one tripped up BY the 20 yard line.

kcmets Nov 15 2020 05:16 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

How 'bout these Steelers??

whippoorwill Nov 15 2020 05:36 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

How about those Steelers? :) Conversely, Penn State has been quite disappointing So the Steelers are a bright spot around here

kcmets Nov 15 2020 06:08 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

=whippoorwill post_id=50686 time=1605486978 user_id=79]Conversely, Penn State has been quite disappointing

Not the first time hahaha

LWFS Nov 15 2020 11:22 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

If you haven't seen the play that ended the Arizona-Buffalo game... you should see the play that ended the Arizona-Buffalo game.

kcmets Nov 16 2020 08:57 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

=LWFS post_id=50693 time=1605507737 user_id=84] If you haven't seen the play that ended the Arizona-Buffalo game... you should see the play that ended the Arizona-Buffalo game.

I just saw it, crazy shit!

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 16 2020 12:19 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I wanted to watch 60 minutes and wound up seeing the last couple minutes--the Buffalo drive that gave them the lead. Not for nothing but I feel like we see these last-minute drives resulting in scores ALL THE TIME (sure, a lot of interceptions too) but it reinforced the theory in my mind that football coaches are pussies and that an all razzle-dazzle, chuck it as far as you can and see what happens offense would probably put up 100 points a game (and give up 60 but a win's a win). Ground-control, 3-yards-at-time running plays are boring AND ineffective at scoring

LWFS Nov 16 2020 01:40 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I wanted to watch 60 minutes and wound up seeing the last couple minutes--the Buffalo drive that gave them the lead. Not for nothing but I feel like we see these last-minute drives resulting in scores ALL THE TIME (sure, a lot of interceptions too) but it reinforced the theory in my mind that football coaches are pussies and that an all razzle-dazzle, chuck it as far as you can and see what happens offense would probably put up 100 points a game (and give up 60 but a win's a win). Ground-control, 3-yards-at-time running plays are boring AND ineffective at scoring That's why a significant majority of the league's offenses are run as pass-first spread offenses most of the time.

whippoorwill Nov 26 2020 04:23 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

What the hell was that halftime show? I yelled in from the kitchen and hubby just said some fucking hick

Edgy MD Nov 26 2020 07:01 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I saw that the Jets were playing the Chargers last Sunday and a friend and I officially decreed that any day when those two teams matchup will henceforth be known as Bobby Brady Day. [YOUTUBE]tS06y_2AF2o[/YOUTUBE] If a Bobby Brady Day happens to land on November the 13th, well then, it's Bobby Brady Day and Felix Unger Day at the same time, and all bets are off. If you're a cop, schedule your vacation around that day.

Fman99 Nov 28 2020 09:41 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Bobby Brady Day was totally eclipsed by Cousin Oliver day. It's the natural order of things.

LWFS Nov 28 2020 11:17 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

So... maybe it wasn't a great idea to go ahead with the football this fall. The coronavirus has decimated Baltimore's roster to the point where the Ravens are left with two quarterbacks, six offensive linemen and three defensive linemen on their current active and practice squad rosters. Baltimore has 52 available players -- 38 on its 53-man roster and 14 on the practice squad. Multiple people familiar with the NFL's investigation told The Associated Press that all four of the quarterbacks on Denver's roster were ineligible to play Sunday against the New Orleans Saints. One person told the AP that starter Drew Lock, backup Brett Rypien and practice squad veteran Blake Bortles were deemed high-risk close contacts with No. 3 quarterback Jeff Driskel on Wednesday, the day before Driskel tested positive for COVID-19. Another person said the four quarterbacks apparently weren't wearing their masks the whole time they were together as required by the league's pandemic protocols. For the 49ers, the latest complication arose from the local government trying to contain the spread of the virus in the county where they practice and play their home games. Santa Clara County banned all contact sports from holding games and practices for the next three weeks. The ban was to take effect Monday after the 49ers returned from their game at the Los Angeles Rams. It's set to last until Dec. 21. The 49ers have home games scheduled for Dec. 7 against Buffalo and Dec. 13 against Washington at Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara. The team also practices at that site.

whippoorwill Nov 29 2020 06:42 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I'm getting a little suspicious that masks aren't all that effective anyway

LWFS Nov 29 2020 09:29 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I feel you. I think part of it may be the ignoring of other precautions when inconvenient. Like, "I'm wearing a mask, so it's okay that we're having this indoor meeting for 3 hours where I'm sitting five feet away from you... because mask." The sports people-- especially baseball and football-- have been especially guilty of this, methinks. The way that "precautions" have been disseminated and executed-- inconsistently, with a lack of transparency re: the scientific thinking, and with unearned surety at times-- hasn't helped.

Lefty Specialist Nov 29 2020 09:31 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

=whippoorwill post_id=51485 time=1606657345 user_id=79] I'm getting a little suspicious that masks aren't all that effective anyway

Well, NOT wearing masks is certainly not effective.



So what does Denver do? Cancel the game? Tear Joe Namath away rom his Medicare commercials and let him play? Has John Elway gotten rid of that creepy finger problem of his?

whippoorwill Nov 29 2020 09:33 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

That's true. I'm still wearing mine!

LWFS Nov 29 2020 09:39 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Lefty Specialist wrote: =whippoorwill post_id=51485 time=1606657345 user_id=79] I'm getting a little suspicious that masks aren't all that effective anyway Well, NOT wearing masks is certainly not effective. So what does Denver do? Cancel the game? Tear Joe Namath away rom his Medicare commercials and let him play? Has John Elway gotten rid of that creepy finger problem of his?

They're apparently preparing to play with their backup RB and a practice-squad WR-- both with HS/college QB experience-- splitting time under center. Probably Tebowing it?

kcmets Nov 29 2020 10:35 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Lefty Specialist wrote: Tear Joe Namath away rom his Medicare commercials and let him play? If Joe made a dime for every time his Medicare commercials aired in November he must be swimming in some serious royalty dough. Enough!! Uncle!

whippoorwill Dec 02 2020 01:46 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Agreed. Those ads are endless too Watching Steelers right now (Wednesday afternoon) as I wait for my hubby to get home from work and it just feels WEIRD

Frayed Knot Dec 06 2020 05:46 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

The Giants beating Seattle put an unexpected damper on my fantasy where the NFC East has a 6-10 (or worse) team win the division. Not that it's still not possible seeing as how the NYG are leading that sorry quartet with a now 5-7 record and 1/4 of the season remaining ... but it does reduce the odds of that division sending a team with a truly bad record (I was hoping for like 5-11) to the playoffs. btw, I hope official MLB is paying attention to this as well as those baseball fans who keep suggesting realignments which involves creating more and more divisions with fewer teams in each (such as 8x4). Such a set-up doesn't guarantee that this kind of thing will happen but it does greatly increase the odds since with smaller divisions there are only so many in-division games you can play. The current NFL structure has each club playing 6 of their 16 games (37.5% vs ~47% in MLB) within their division. If you have no dominant team (rivals basically beat up each other) and the division gets their collective asses kicked in their out-of-division games, sending a sub-.500 team to the post-season becomes only a matter of time. It's happened several times in the NFL but this one has a chance to be truly putrid. The NFC East clubs came into this weekend with a combined 14 wins (plus one tie) through 11 rounds of games, but 10 of those 14 wins came against each other ... iow, via games in which SOMEBODY had to rack up a 'W'. In other games Dallas, NYG, Philly, and Washington were a combined 4-20-1 beating only the Bengals (NYG), 49'ers (PHI), ATL (DAL), MINN (DAL). The tie was Philly vs Cincy Today's games, with Giants over Seahawks and Eagles losing to GBP, brings them to 5-21-1 in non-division tilts.

nymr83 Dec 06 2020 09:46 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Frayed Knot wrote: btw, I hope official MLB is paying attention to this as well as those baseball fans who keep suggesting realignments which involves creating more and more divisions with fewer teams in each (such as 8x4). Such a set-up doesn't guarantee that this kind of thing will happen but it does greatly increase the odds since with smaller divisions there are only so many in-division games you can play. The current NFL structure has each club playing 6 of their 16 games (37.5% vs ~47% in MLB) within their division. If you have no dominant team (rivals basically beat up each other) and the division gets their collective asses kicked in their out-of-division games, sending a sub-.500 team to the post-season becomes only a matter of time. It's happened several times in the NFL but this one has a chance to be truly putrid. 8x4 isnt great but with only 16 games it is hard to get away from if you want to play all your division rivals twice. For MLB, you could fold both central divisions and have East/West and everything work out fine

batmagadanleadoff Dec 07 2020 06:01 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

=nymr83 post_id=51765 time=1607316386 user_id=54] ... but with only 16 games....

This is the key here, I think. They play 16 games. That's less than three weeks of a regular baseball season. What are people expecting from just 16 games? That the team with the best record is truly the best team? That the Super Bowl champ is the best team? That an 8-6 team should never lose to a 3-11 team? They play 16 games ferchrissakes. NFL W-L records are the most unreliable of all team sports W-L records because the sample size is microscopic. I don't put any stock in the over-reacters who overreact every 10 years or so because some football team with a crappy record makes the playoffs. If they don't like, have NFL teams play 100 games. Which is impossible.

LWFS Dec 07 2020 09:39 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I mean, it's a different sport. Chance plays a role in each game, and consequently, each record. But that role is a lot smaller than its role in baseball, by degrees of magnitude. A football team's record after 10 games tends to be a lot more reflective of overall performance than a baseball team's after a few weeks.

Frayed Knot Dec 07 2020 02:51 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Frayed Knot wrote: btw, I hope official MLB is paying attention to this as well as those baseball fans who keep suggesting realignments which involves creating more and more divisions with fewer teams in each (such as 8x4). Such a set-up doesn't guarantee that this kind of thing will happen but it does greatly increase the odds since with smaller divisions there are only so many in-division games you can play. The current NFL structure has each club playing 6 of their 16 games (37.5% vs ~47% in MLB) within their division. If you have no dominant team (rivals basically beat up each other) and the division gets their collective asses kicked in their out-of-division games, sending a sub-.500 team to the post-season becomes only a matter of time. It's happened several times in the NFL but this one has a chance to be truly putrid. 8x4 isnt great but with only 16 games it is hard to get away from if you want to play all your division rivals twice. I don't see where 16 vs 162 games has anything to do with this. They played a 16 game slate with five team divisions which meant fully half of each team's games were in-division. And while it was still possible then for a sub-.500 team to win a division then it is More likely now because of the smaller pct of intra-division play. The same would be true for MLB if they went to eight four-team divisions which would put their in/out-of-division ratio right about where the NFL's is now. Unfortunately, most chatter seems to think this ever-increasing sub-dividing is a good idea. The current state of the NFC East shows one reason why it's not.

kcmets Dec 07 2020 03:50 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I like Monday Evening Football staring at five with 11-0 on the line!

whippoorwill Dec 07 2020 06:57 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Dang. I saw my lucky Steelers socks in my sock drawer today and realized I hadn't been wearing them. Shouldn't've

Edgy MD Dec 07 2020 07:27 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I wanted to watch 60 minutes and wound up seeing the last couple minutes--the Buffalo drive that gave them the lead. Not for nothing but I feel like we see these last-minute drives resulting in scores ALL THE TIME (sure, a lot of interceptions too) but it reinforced the theory in my mind that football coaches are pussies and that an all razzle-dazzle, chuck it as far as you can and see what happens offense would probably put up 100 points a game (and give up 60 but a win's a win). Ground-control, 3-yards-at-time running plays are boring AND ineffective at scoring I guess Jack Pardee was the coach for you. I think Kevin Gilbride's Chargers in the late nineties were the last team to shamelessly air it out without any other pretense. He got fired in the middle of his second season and I don't know that anybody ever really grabbed the baton after that. I don't know anything about the NFL anymore, really, but I like innovation and rival philosophies, and I think leagues operating as a single entity really depresses all that.

Frayed Knot Dec 08 2020 05:34 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

It's not that the league is pass averse, if anything it's just the opposite. Rules put in over the years protecting both the QBs and receivers have made the NFL a very pass friendly league. I think what JCL is getting at is that there's a dearth of daring among coaches that could use a good Sabermetric kick in the ass. I suspect a good number crunching would back up the idea that going for it on 4th and short situations is vastly underutilized for instance, or that the concept of 'settling for three' nets you a net point loss over time. The problem is trying to find a coach that is willing to test those theories in real time and a front office/ownership willing to withstand the second guessing that comes with the times those risks backfire. So while teams might get the first down on 4th & short four times out of five or maybe five-of-six, most coaches will punt each time for fear that the one time they miss somehow represents a bigger downside than the 80+ pct that they make it, or that the scrutiny following the misses isn't worth the gamble. Same with field goals; three in the pocket is considered safer than trying and perhaps failing to gain six. The two-point conversion, something kept out of the NFL for years largely via the influence of powerful coaches, is still rarely employed except in desperation situations even after the PAT kick was moved back a few years ago far enough to where the success rate fell from a virtual certainly to maybe the lower-90s%

Edgy MD Dec 08 2020 09:45 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I didn't know they backed up the PAT kick. Shows how long I've been off the NFL boat. I've come to think of the NFL as irredeemable, but that doesn't stop me from dreaming up rules and strategies that could make for a livelier afternoon. I might draw them up some day when I've reached my goal of getting the offsides rule tossed out of soccer.

LWFS Dec 09 2020 11:13 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Frayed Knot wrote: It's not that the league is pass averse, if anything it's just the opposite. Rules put in over the years protecting both the QBs and receivers have made the NFL a very pass friendly league. I think what JCL is getting at is that there's a dearth of daring among coaches that could use a good Sabermetric kick in the ass. I suspect a good number crunching would back up the idea that going for it on 4th and short situations is vastly underutilized for instance, or that the concept of 'settling for three' nets you a net point loss over time. The problem is trying to find a coach that is willing to test those theories in real time and a front office/ownership willing to withstand the second guessing that comes with the times those risks backfire. So while teams might get the first down on 4th & short four times out of five or maybe five-of-six, most coaches will punt each time for fear that the one time they miss somehow represents a bigger downside than the 80+ pct that they make it, or that the scrutiny following the misses isn't worth the gamble. Same with field goals; three in the pocket is considered safer than trying and perhaps failing to gain six. The two-point conversion, something kept out of the NFL for years largely via the influence of powerful coaches, is still rarely employed except in desperation situations even after the PAT kick was moved back a few years ago far enough to where the success rate fell from a virtual certainly to maybe the lower-90s% Re: going for it on fourth/two-point conversions... there's a lot more money actin' smart than there used to be, especially this year: the NFL is scoring at a record rate, and going for it on 4th at record rates, as well.

Frayed Knot Dec 09 2020 11:57 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I was going to add in my little speech above that teams seem to be going for it more often than before although I didn't have the data to back it up. Things still seem a bit conservative to me but at least they're heading in the right direction. On 2-point PATs, if teams have confidence that they can convert at anything around mid-40s put or better, then that should be their first choice rather than just be reserved for desperation times.

LWFS Dec 09 2020 02:01 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Yabbut: In 2018-19, teams made 2-pointers at a success rate of about 49.4%, as compared to a 94.1% PAT success rate. No-brainer-- take the extra-point, right? Expected points for each, though, beg to differ: 2-Pointers: .494 * 2 = .988 expected points per attempt PATs: .941 * 1 = .941 EPPA Now, game situations vary, and situational risk-reward tilts significantly due to that, of course. But all else being equal... it's almost the same logic as today's 3-pointer-happy NBA strategery: 2-pointers are the higher-value shot, and going that way every time (assuming going for it more won't negatively impact the success rate) seems to make more sense.

Frayed Knot Dec 09 2020 02:42 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

=LWFS post_id=51932 time=1607547675 user_id=84] In 2018-19, teams made 2-pointers at a success rate of about 49.4%, as compared to a 94.1% PAT success rate.

This was my point.

When the PAT pct was 99+% you needed a 2-pt rate of 50% just to break even and maybe a bit more than that to justify the risk.

But when moving the kick back dropped the PAT from virtually automatic down to 94 or so, your break even point on two-pointers

drops to more like 47-ish % which should ramp up the frequency of two-point attempts. Not sure it has though as the fear of trying

and missing (and getting criticized for it) is a tough habit to break.

Expected points for each, though, beg to differ: 2-Pointers: .494 * 2 = .988 expected points per attempt PATs: .941 * 1 = .941 EPPA

How does this argue FOR the kicking PAT when .988 > .941 ??

LWFS Dec 09 2020 05:47 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I don't know. Reading comprehension diminishment? I JUST WANT TO YELL SOMETHING

Frayed Knot Dec 10 2020 07:42 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

So I've only seen a few minutes of tonight's LAR/NEP game, but that's been enough to see each team settle for a FG on 4th & <2 inside the opponent's 20 In the case of the Patriots it was when they were down 17-0 w/barely a minute left in the half. Not suggesting it was a no-brainer for either to have gone for a 1st down and possible TD but one can at least make an argument for it and yet it's virtually an automatic in this league not to.

Frayed Knot Dec 20 2020 05:13 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

is there a reason why, at 7:15 PM, the KC/NO game is just starting the 4th quarter?

MFS62 Dec 20 2020 05:31 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Frayed Knot wrote: is there a reason why, at 7:15 PM, the KC/NO game is just starting the 4th quarter? The Pats-Miami game was over right at about 4:00PM, so they must have been waiting for some other regional games to be over before they started the nationally televised second game. Later

Frayed Knot Dec 20 2020 05:40 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

But it was a 4:25 sked start, late enough for most if not all of the 1PM tilts to be over. And yet this one was close to 3 hours after scheduled kickoff just to get thru 3 Qs I had just turned it on and wondered why it wasn't closer to its end. It's a dirty little secret that NFL games are longer on average than MLB, but they don't vary as much. This one, however, is going to get close to 8:00 before it's done.

LWFS Dec 21 2020 07:55 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

More passing = longer games, generally

Frayed Knot Dec 21 2020 08:07 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Yeah, this one just seemed so extreme that I thought there might have been another reason: weather ('cept it was indoors), power failure, etc. I turned it on a little before 7 PM, was semi-watching for a time with the sound down, then only after 10 or 15 minutes did I realize it was still in the 3rd quarter which is what prompted the question. It wound up ending just shy of 8:00 and it only beat that because the Saints ran out of time-outs so the final minute was running time as the Chiefs took successive knees.

whippoorwill Jan 17 2021 04:46 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Enjoy Patrick Mahomes but was rooting for Cleveland Hope he's ok

Frayed Knot Jan 17 2021 04:58 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Good for KC coach Andy Reid for going for it on 4th down. I like it when gutsy decisions pay off.

whippoorwill Jan 17 2021 05:03 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I always like to see that!

Fman99 Jan 17 2021 06:34 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I love the end of the 1 PM games -- now I don't miss any football during nap time :)

Frayed Knot Jan 24 2021 02:32 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Did Green Bay recently pick up the former DC of the NYJ? (re: the final play of the 1st half)

Lefty Specialist Jan 24 2021 05:13 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Dumb call by Green Bay to go for the field goal on 4th and goal late in the 4th quarter. Ugh. Brady in the Super Bowl again. It's all they're going to talk about for two weeks.

Fman99 Jan 24 2021 06:58 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I realized today, though, that most of my lingering Patriot hate was more associated to Bellichek than it was or is to Brady.

MFS62 Jan 25 2021 06:36 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Lefty Specialist wrote: Dumb call by Green Bay to go for the field goal on 4th and goal late in the 4th quarter. Ugh. Brady in the Super Bowl again. It's all they're going to talk about for two weeks. Better than seeing the tributes to, and seeing that smirking picture of, Vince Lombardi for two weeks, MUCH better. Later

Lefty Specialist Jan 25 2021 07:07 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Hmm. Looks like someone's nursing an ancient grudge. :) I hate Tom Brady. I hate Gisele. I hate his pets. I detour around Foxboro when driving to Massachusetts. I'd take Vince Lombardi 24/7 over him.

whippoorwill Jan 25 2021 08:12 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

I don't like Brady either. I was hoping we'd seen the last of him Superbowl ought to be a classic though—- Young hotshot vs old master I'm pretty excited

kcmets Jan 25 2021 08:16 AM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

Brady hat-er here too. The only small fun part is my Pats--loving friends having to watch him play superman for another team.

MFS62 Jan 25 2021 12:31 PM Re: You Been Playin the Foozball! NFL Thread 2020

No Clydesdales or Cute Polar Bears during the Super Bowl. Budweiser and Coca-Cola won't be advertised. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/budweiser-will-sit-out-super-bowl-funneling-marketing-dollars-boost-n1255512?fbclid=IwAR1GBaTE8ZHL4D_88jtXF-KbxYlyJT213PGMiB3n_rhYwbfNrUNYaIKlmP4 The annual "best commercial" show with Boomer Esiason (or is it Phil Simms? They look alike.) and Daniella Ruah will be dull this year, and people might actually be able to go to the bathroom without missing much. Later