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Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Benjamin Grimm Oct 25 2020 03:48 PM

Francisco Lindor to Mets? Steve Cohen could make it happen

Edgy MD Oct 25 2020 08:18 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I'd like Franciso Lindor better if he could catch or play center.

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2020 08:38 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

And you run the risk of having it be a one year rental. Just because Mookie Betts signed w/the Dodgers following his trade under similar conditions doesn't mean Lindor is going to follow the same path. The other thing that would worry me is the idea that Cohen would want to make this kind of a 'Backpage-Grabbing' move while ignoring the potential fit issues just to see the splash it makes.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 09 2020 04:11 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

John Harper suggests that the Mets deal Giminez, Rosario, and Davis for Lindor. His position seems to be that a deal that doesn't require the Mets giving up Smith or Alonso is worth doing.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2020 09:12 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I'm ag'in' that idea.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2020 09:15 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Do the Mets really need Gimenez and Rosario if they're signing Lindnor?

nymr83 Nov 09 2020 09:18 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Benjamin Grimm wrote: John Harper suggests that the Mets deal Giminez, Rosario, and Davis for Lindor. His position seems to be that a deal that doesn't require the Mets giving up Smith or Alonso is worth doing. I'd rather give up Smith than BOTH Rosario and Giminez - If they both hit, one could slide to 2B at some point even with Lindor here. Even if Alonso/Smith both hit, its a liability in left field unless the Mets have "insider knowledge" that the DH is here to stay. Carlos Carrasco didn't have a great short year and is owed 12 million each of the next 2 years. Does Cleveland need finincial relief in this environment? How about Carrasco and Lindor for Smith, Rosario, and a C-level prospect?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2020 09:23 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=nymr83 post_id=50310 time=1604981925 user_id=54] I'd rather give up Smith than BOTH Rosario and Giminez - If they both hit, one could slide to 2B at some point even with Lindor here.

McNeil could play second base. It's easier to then get a good hitting outfielder than it is to get a good hitting middle infielder: the latter are scarce. That's why Lindnor and McNeil are so special. Lindnor and McNeil would make an awesome middle infield combo.

nymr83 Nov 09 2020 09:52 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

fine, but can we still take Carrasco's contract off their hands? its nice have an owner whose money we can pretend to spend!

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2020 09:57 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=nymr83 post_id=50312 time=1604983964 user_id=54] fine, but can we still take Carrasco's contract off their hands? its nice have an owner whose money we can pretend to spend!

I just can't believe I'm even entertaining these thoughts.

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2020 04:13 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=50308 time=1604981711 user_id=68] Do the Mets really need Gimenez and Rosario if they're signing Lindnor?

They're not signing Lindor, they're trading for him for one year.

Everything after that is up in the air.

Edgy MD Nov 10 2020 07:30 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I'm not sure I can get with the idea that trading Kelenic, Dunn, Bruce, Bautista, and Swarzak for Diaz, Canó, and cash is the automatic ace card that disqualifies Brody Van Wangenen, but giving up J.D. Davis, Andrés Giménez, and Amed Rosario for a year's worth of Francisco Lindor is something to be excited about.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 10 2020 07:32 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I would think that there would have to be a negotiating window as part of the deal.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 10 2020 07:36 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I don;t really "know" Lindor, so I'm kinda wary. Also between Gimenez, Rosie and the upcoming Mauricio it seems like middle infielders with ability is not necessarily the shortcoming we need to address for 2021. We could use a MLB catcher and a world-class centerfielder and probably 2 good starting pitchers

Benjamin Grimm Nov 10 2020 07:52 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I agree with that. My sense is (so far anyway) that the Indians are more interested in the Mets than the Mets are in Lindor.

Lefty Specialist Nov 10 2020 08:53 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

SS is just not a major need right now. Lindor's a great player, but a lot of great players will be available this offseason as teams tighten their belts.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2020 09:40 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=50311 time=1604982195 user_id=68] =nymr83 post_id=50310 time=1604981925 user_id=54] I'd rather give up Smith than BOTH Rosario and Giminez - If they both hit, one could slide to 2B at some point even with Lindor here.

McNeil could play second base. It's easier to then get a good hitting outfielder than it is to get a good hitting middle infielder: the latter are scarce. That's why Lindnor and McNeil are so special. Lindnor and McNeil would make an awesome middle infield combo.


Well, I just remembered that I forgot all about Cano when I wrote that post. Still, Lindnor's a generational talent. And who cares if the Mets need a catcher? That's a reason not to get Lindnor? Because what? Cohen's not allowed to make more than one transaction? The upgrade from whoever's playing shortstop now to Lindnor would be bigger than the upgrade from Ramos to Realmuto. And Lindnor projects to be way better than Realmuto over the rest of their careers.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 10 2020 10:13 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Just saying, you can't necessarily get everyone and can only trade a guy once. A right handed hitting center fielder like that Springer guy seems like the area of greatest need, followed closely by starting pitching. You might do better surrendering some of that middle infield talent for a pitcher in a trade.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2020 10:35 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 10 2020 11:13 AM

Steve Cohen is baseball's wealthiest owner and I now expect the Mets to be run like a powerhouse. And let's not mince any more words about Amed Rosario and act like he's the second coming of Godot. He fucking sucks. He's a .250 hitter -- at best -- who never walks and doesn't hit nearly enough homers to make up for his crappiness. And that's all he's ever been after, now, four years of MLB experience. He has a clueless command of the strike zone and is always swinging at terrible pitches. And then, when he's inevitably down two strikes, has to swing at even more crappy pitches to protect the plate. This, as you would expect, leads to terrible contact, if he even makes contact and an awful at-bat. And Rosario has at least one at bat like that almost every game he plays. So let's let those other poor teams who don't have an owner as rich as Steve Cohen waste two or three more years of giving Rosario 500+ plate appearances a year while they wait to see if Rosario develops into the next Honus Wagner. Let them watch and hope for a miracle while the world passes them by.

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2020 10:50 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

You keep discussing this as if there aren't players involved, you did the same w/Realmuto over the past two years. No one is disputing that Lindor would be an upgrade or that our new friend Stevie won't be able to afford him. The issues are: because he's only signed thru 2021, and because there are bigger weaknesses with less depth than SS, is this the best place to spend the chips it would take to get him??

batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2020 11:11 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Frayed Knot wrote: You keep discussing this as if there aren't players involved, you did the same w/Realmuto over the past two years. No one is disputing that Lindor would be an upgrade or that our new friend Stevie won't be able to afford him. The issues are: because he's only signed thru 2021, and because there are bigger weaknesses with less depth than SS, is this the best place to spend the chips it would take to get him?? In my fantasy world, Lindnor signs with the Mets. That's a no-brainer. I'm not talking risk of a one-year rental.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2020 11:17 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Frayed Knot wrote: You keep discussing this as if there aren't players involved, you did the same w/Realmuto over the past two years. No one is disputing that Lindor would be an upgrade or that our new friend Stevie won't be able to afford him. The issues are: because he's only signed thru 2021, and because there are bigger weaknesses with less depth than SS, is this the best place to spend the chips it would take to get him?? In my fantasy world, Lindnor signs with the Mets. That's a no-brainer. I'm not talking risk of a one-year rental. And Realmuto and Springer are free agents. It won't take any trade capital to get those two. Just money, which Cohen has lotsa.

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2020 02:02 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Frayed Knot wrote: You keep discussing this as if there aren't players involved, you did the same w/Realmuto over the past two years. No one is disputing that Lindor would be an upgrade or that our new friend Stevie won't be able to afford him. The issues are: because he's only signed thru 2021, and because there are bigger weaknesses with less depth than SS, is this the best place to spend the chips it would take to get him?? In my fantasy world, Lindnor signs with the Mets. That's a no-brainer. I'm not talking risk of a one-year rental. Then that's a question for next winter. In the meantime, the topic being discussed here was dealing Rosario + Gimenez + ??? for him this winter specifically as a one-year rental because there's no other way but a trade to get him right now. And Realmuto and Springer are free agents. It won't take any trade capital to get those two. Just money, which Cohen has lotsa. Which is again not what's being discussed or is something anyone is disputing. It's like you're arguing with ghosts just so you'll have someone to disagree with. The only reason I even brought up Realmuto is that, like you seem to be doing with Lindor here, you've said multiple times that the cheap-ass Wilpons should have signed him two years ago ignoring the fact that he wasn't available for signing until around two weeks ago.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 10 2020 02:06 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Frayed Knot wrote: Then that's a question for next winter. In the meantime, the topic being discussed here was dealing Rosario + Gimenez + ??? for him this winter specifically as a one-year rental because there's no other way but a trade to get him right now. But that trade could include a negotiating window. I think that that's the only way the Mets should make any kind of deal for Lindor, unless they're giving up a lesser package of players than what was proposed.

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2020 02:24 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Benjamin Grimm wrote: But that trade could include a negotiating window. Possibly. Those are rare but they do happen occasionally. Johan came here that way and the oddity there was at his insistence that it be done that way. Most players, particularly those not yet 30 and at or near the top of their game, don't like to simply give away their maybe one and only shot at the free market. And would that still be the best use of resources? Folks can argue all they want that money is now limitless (although even limitless money has limits) but here you'd be spending FA bucks AND skimming your best young trade chips off the top who would then not be available for potential different deals for positions where we have clearer needs and less depth. Make the smarter moves, even if they aren't always the splashiest ones. I always thought that the best quote from MONEYBALL (the book, not the movie) was that it's easier to recover from the player you don't sign than it is to recover from the guy you sign at the wrong price. And price can mean dollars or bodies or a combo of the two.

Centerfield Nov 10 2020 02:44 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

The key being what other pieces are available via trade. I wonder if a top tier starter with a big contract might be dangled.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 10 2020 02:53 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

During the conference today, Cohen said that there will be teams looking to unload big contracts, and that the Mets will be in a position to take advantage of that.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2020 03:11 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: You keep discussing this as if there aren't players involved, you did the same w/Realmuto over the past two years. No one is disputing that Lindor would be an upgrade or that our new friend Stevie won't be able to afford him. The issues are: because he's only signed thru 2021, and because there are bigger weaknesses with less depth than SS, is this the best place to spend the chips it would take to get him?? In my fantasy world, Lindnor signs with the Mets. That's a no-brainer. I'm not talking risk of a one-year rental. Then that's a question for next winter. In the meantime, the topic being discussed here was dealing Rosario + Gimenez + ??? for him this winter specifically as a one-year rental because there's no other way but a trade to get him right now. And Realmuto and Springer are free agents. It won't take any trade capital to get those two. Just money, which Cohen has lotsa. Which is again not what's being discussed or is something anyone is disputing. It's like you're arguing with ghosts just so you'll have someone to disagree with. The only reason I even brought up Realmuto is that, like you seem to be doing with Lindor here, you've said multiple times that the cheap-ass Wilpons should have signed him two years ago ignoring the fact that he wasn't available for signing until around two weeks ago. Uh, no! I'm not arguing with ghosts and I'm not moving the goalposts or making irrelevant points. When one poster criticizes a potential Lindnor acquisition on grounds that the Mets need to fill other positions first, specifically a catcher --- and another poster cites that we need that trade capital to acquire other positions of greater need, it's fair game for me to remind everyone that Realmuto, among others, are free agents that won't require that the Mets use up their finite trade chips on. And what any of this has to do with the Mets failure to get Realmuto two years ago, I have no idea. And as to the Mets being able to sign Lindnor to their own contract after acquiring him, I'd say that the odds of that happening are about 100% at this moment in time, with a brand new owner with money coming out of his whatever and looking to make a splash.

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2020 03:39 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

And what any of this has to do with the Mets failure to get Realmuto two years ago, I have no idea. Because you've griped multiple times here over the last couple of years about the Mets failure to sign Realmuto back when Philly got him, including as recently as a month ago: "The Mets should've signed Realmuto two years ago when they signed Ramos. But the fucking Wilpons." as if the facts of his acquisition are irrelevant, and you certainly seem to be doing the same with Lindor as recently as a couple of hours ago: "Do the Mets really need Gimenez and Rosario if they're signing Lindnor?" If you want to argue for a trade this off-season involving Lindor on the assumption that he's a lock to sign a year and that some of your more tradable chips won't be needed for other spots, then do that. But otherwise you're arguing against points that aren't being made here, in opposition to an owner who no longer owns, and for signings that either couldn't then (Realmuto) or can't now (Lindor) be made.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 10 2020 05:37 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Seems like the Mets had a kinda sorta comparable situation when they had the opportunity to get Mike Piazza. They already had a catcher at the time -- and All-Star, too. Was Piazza a bigger star than Lindor? I think so. Is the upgrade from Rosario/Jiminez to Lindor as large as the upgrade from Hundley to Piazza? I wouldn't make the Lindor trade without a negotiating window.

smg58 Nov 10 2020 05:51 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

The difference with Piazza/Hundley was that Hundley wouldn't play until September and the catchers the Mets had available were replacement level. So you were upgrading from replacement level to Hall-of-Famer. That's not the case here. Lindor is an elite defender at SS who can give you an OPS in the mid-.800s, which is certainly nothing to sneeze at. But I'd be more interested in a pitcher of comparable value for the same price tag, because the need is greater. I wouldn't rule it out necessarily, but it's not my plan A.

Edgy MD Nov 10 2020 07:22 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Listen to smg disrespecting Todd Spehr and Rick Wilkins. I mean, he's absolutely right, but it's such a savaging. Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: We could use a MLB catcher and a world-class centerfielder and probably 2 good starting pitchers Mallex Smith says that he's got that second item covered.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2020 09:45 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor Edited 6 time(s), most recently on Nov 11 2020 02:03 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: If you want to argue for a trade this off-season involving Lindor on the assumption that he's a lock to sign a year and that some of your more tradable chips won't be needed for other spots, then do that. I'm certain that that's precisely what I've been doing all thread long. Frayed Knot wrote: But otherwise you're arguing against points that aren't being made here, in opposition to an owner who no longer owns, and for signings that either couldn't then (Realmuto) or can't now (Lindor) be made. So lemme get this straight. We have this Francisco Lindor thread. And all of the talk before I ever appeared here centered around whether the Mets should or shouldn't pursue Lindnor. But ... What are you saying? That I'm not allowed to chime in? That Edgy's free to opine that he's against it. But I can't put my two cents in here in favor of acquiring Lindnor? Is that what you're saying? That Nomar's free to opine that he's against giving up both Rosario and Gimenez for Lindnor but that I'm not permitted to respond that with Lindnor, they're both expendable and on top that, that I think Rosario sucks anyways? Is that what you're saying? And that I can't post here because I wished the Mets signed Realmuto two years ago? And the Wilpons. I'm opposing the Wilpons in this thread? Where? They're fucking gone. What do the Wilpons have to do with my posts in this thread? You brought up the Wilpons to use against me in this thread. You know, I once opined, going into the 2019 season, that Josh Donaldson was probably washed up. I was wrong. Are you going to hold that against me in this thread, too? And why wouldn't the Mets be able to sign Lindnor? Steve Cohen has more money than the combined wealth of MLB's next three richest owners. Plus, if the Mets pursue Lindnor, Sandy gets on the phone with Lindnor's agent to find out what it'll take which is what every team in every sport does.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2020 09:57 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=smg58 post_id=50386 time=1605055873 user_id=62] ... I'd be more interested in a pitcher of comparable value for the same price tag, because the need is greater. I wouldn't rule it out necessarily, but it's not my plan A.

Well, yeah. If Lindnor busts the budget to the point that the Mets can't sign any other FA's, then Lindnor's not my Plan A either. And while we don't know how much Cohen's going to spend this off-season, I'm assuming Cohen's going to be spending a good chunk of his shopping time in the gourmet section.



He's the richest owner, looking to make a huge splash. It's a buyer's market as the pandemic has crushed this year's revenues. Cespedes and Wright's contracts are now off the books (chump change pizza money to Cohen, in any event, but I put it in here for those of you who think an extra $10M or $30M spent by a billionaire a dozen times over is gonna break him. He probably makes that much money just in interest every few weeks.)



Listen to today's presser. Cohen will not trade for Lindnor and then fail to sign him. Not this year. Not now. Not at this place and time.

Centerfield Nov 11 2020 05:13 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Let's assume this front office to be named later is smart. You trade for Lindor if: 1. You are certain, through discussions with his agent, that he is open to signing here. 2. And you are prepared to pay him the type of money he can't pass up. Preferably before he plays a game. This is what the Dodgers did with Betts. 3. And you decide that this is the best use of your resources. As JCL said, you can only trade players once. And even as rich as Cohen is, there is a limit. I think there is a lot of question whether the third prong is met, especially with Story set to hit the market next year. I tend to think an Alderson led team will be more patient.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2020 07:14 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

The only way to be certain that he's open to signing here is to sign him here.

Centerfield Nov 11 2020 08:16 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Edgy MD wrote: The only way to be certain that he's open to signing here is to sign him here. One can be reasonably certain, depending on the discussion. If you don't get there, you don't make the trade.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2020 08:56 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Well, the way the do that is to offer a period of a few days, where the deal is not finalized until an agreement on an extension is reached. I still think that deal is overpaying, especially in a shortstop-crowded marketplace, but that's the way to ensure an extension. But I'm good with the Springer/McCann/Stroman priority system. If there's to be a consolidation trade, it's probably best to store up chips for a pitcher.

nymr83 Nov 11 2020 09:08 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=Centerfield post_id=50397 time=1605096830 user_id=65] And even as rich as Cohen is, there is a limit.

That is Wilponian thinking!



He has 3x the wealth of any owner and just bought the team he grew up rooting for. Would you have a limit if that were you?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2020 09:09 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Edgy MD wrote: Well, the way the do that is to offer a period of a few days, where the deal is not finalized until an agreement on an extension is reached. I still think that deal is overpaying, especially in a shortstop-crowded marketplace, but that's the way to ensure an extension. But I'm good with the Springer/McCann/Stroman priority system. If there's to be a consolidation trade, it's probably best to store up chips for a pitcher. It's also possible that the Mets will be the only team (or one of very few) interested in Lindor in this COVID environment, and the price in players might be cheaper than expected.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2020 09:23 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Indeed, and the deep shortstop market, and Cleveland's announced intention to deal him off also speak to that. I'm speaking mostly in response to the deal proposed up further in the thread. That struck me as Cleveland trying to hit the trifecta for pantsing the Mets a third time by dealing them marquee infielders for a generous package.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2020 12:14 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I think that signing Lindnor will be the easier part. If the Yankees can give Stanton the biggest contract ever and then give Cole the biggest contract ever, and then carry both of those contracts simultaneously, then Steve Cohen, who can buy out the Steinbrenners three or four times over, can do the same. The harder part will be trading for Lindnor. That's where the Mets could have stiff competition. The Yankees, for one example, are loaded with prospects and tradeable chips. The question is whether those other teams with the primo trade bait can foot Lindnor's long term bill.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2020 12:30 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Edgy MD wrote: Indeed, and the deep shortstop market.... I don't know about a deep shortstop market but I can thiink of only one multiple Gold Glove winning, .300 hitting shortstop with three top-10 and one second-10 MVP award finishes who topped 30 home runs in each of the last three 162 game seasons and who hasn't even reached his chronological prime yet.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2020 01:23 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Well, Marcus Semien demands your love. Don't believe me? Well, take Ha-Seong Kim on a date and tell me you ain't turned on. And who's that? That's Didi Gregorious! He's at your back door, singing a love song with an armful of roses and a calling card from John Sterling. You want a Gold Glove? Well Andrelton Simmons has four of those, two in each league, and I heard he likes your type. That's just looking at the free agency market. I'm not saying the Mets should necessarily place them or anybody as a more desirable commodity than Francisco Lindor, even with Lindor coming off his worst season (to the extent that 2020 can be called a season). I'm just noting that the high incidence of consolation prizes (and the above ones only cost money), could (or maybe should) depress the market for Francisco Lindor to some extent. Hopefully that will mean any Mets offer won't be as dear as Giménez/Rosario/Davis. https://www.bleachernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Ha-Seong-Kim-GettyImages-1268022281.jpg>

Centerfield Nov 11 2020 01:55 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=nymr83 post_id=50413 time=1605110889 user_id=54] =Centerfield post_id=50397 time=1605096830 user_id=65] And even as rich as Cohen is, there is a limit.

That is Wilponian thinking!



He has 3x the wealth of any owner and just bought the team he grew up rooting for. Would you have a limit if that were you?


Let me rephrase. There is a limit that Cohen will not, especially in his first year, voluntarily exceed.

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2020 02:41 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

ALL spending has a limit. It's just that not all limits are as limiting as others. Where this winter puts the Mets in at least a theoretical advantage is that most clubs look to be tapped out on their budgets on account of Covid losses while uncle Stevie doesn't have that around his neck -- well, as a minority partner, he likely had to kick some money into the pot to cover shortfalls but not to the degree that other owners did in 2020 -- so he can be spending while others tighten. That shouldn't mean it's a good time to start tossing it around like a drunken sailor on shore leave, but it's certainly a better position to be in than one with loans, Madoff clawbacks, and other deficits over your head.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2020 03:09 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

So we shouldn't pursue Lindnor because his contract might break the 2021 budget and thus prevent the Mets from filling other needs. That's all master-of-the-obvious stuff, not to mention vague and nebulous. But I suppose I could get behind that thinking, especially if I knew what the actual Mets budget's going to be and what it's gonna take to sign Lindnor. Maybe youse can tell me what those budgetary boundaries are, because I don't know what they are. All I know is that the Mets now have an owner that could've bought the Mets three of four times over. I might be crazy, but I'm gonna focus on the acquisition, and not the cost. Youse can worry about the budget. Here are a couple of other reasons why I'd be against the Mets pursuing Lindnor: 1. If Lindnor goes out and has a fatal heart attack the day after signing his new Mets contract. In that case, I wouldn't recommend that the Mets pursue Lindnor.; 2. If after signing his new Mets contract, Lindnor ditches baseball altogether and decides to become a French Horn playing monk roaming the Tibetan mountainside barefoot in search of the meaning of life; 3. If Steve Cohen goes bankrupt tomorrow.

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2020 03:27 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=50462 time=1605132570 user_id=68] So we shouldn't pursue Lindnor because his contract might break the 2021 budget and thus prevent the Mets from filling other needs.

Didn't say anything even resembling that.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2020 04:13 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Frayed Knot wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=50462 time=1605132570 user_id=68] So we shouldn't pursue Lindnor because his contract might break the 2021 budget and thus prevent the Mets from filling other needs. Didn't say anything even resembling that.

That's OK. I wasnt directly addressing you.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2020 04:17 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Edgy MD wrote: But I'm good with the Springer/McCann/Stroman priority system. Why McCann and not Realmuto, who's the best catcher in baseball?

nymr83 Nov 11 2020 05:09 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Frayed Knot wrote: ALL spending has a limit. It's just that not all limits are as limiting as others. Where this winter puts the Mets in at least a theoretical advantage is that most clubs look to be tapped out on their budgets on account of Covid losses while uncle Stevie doesn't have that around his neck -- well, as a minority partner, he likely had to kick some money into the pot to cover shortfalls but not to the degree that other owners did in 2020 -- so he can be spending while others tighten. That shouldn't mean it's a good time to start tossing it around like a drunken sailor on shore leave, but it's certainly a better position to be in than one with loans, Madoff clawbacks, and other deficits over your head. Ok, but what is the limit? maybe there is a theoretical limit but that limit could be 50 million higher than the Dodgers and therefore not constitute any sort of practical limit. The only "issue" with Lindor is the talent cost to acquire him

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2020 05:18 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Nov 11 2020 05:47 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: ALL spending has a limit. It's just that not all limits are as limiting as others. Where this winter puts the Mets in at least a theoretical advantage is that most clubs look to be tapped out on their budgets on account of Covid losses while uncle Stevie doesn't have that around his neck -- well, as a minority partner, he likely had to kick some money into the pot to cover shortfalls but not to the degree that other owners did in 2020 -- so he can be spending while others tighten. That shouldn't mean it's a good time to start tossing it around like a drunken sailor on shore leave, but it's certainly a better position to be in than one with loans, Madoff clawbacks, and other deficits over your head. Ok, but what is the limit? maybe there is a theoretical limit but that limit could be 50 million higher than the Dodgers and therefore not constitute any sort of practical limit. The only "issue" with Lindor is the talent cost to acquire him What a crazy new world we're in when we're in so much agreement lately. Yeah, this whole "woe is me, but the budget" thing is ridiculous. And like it's their money that Cohen's gonna spend. It's like a half a step removed from someone saying that the Mets shouldn't sign Lindnor if they can't afford him. I'll say this: whatever budget there is or is gonna be, assuming there even is one, is gonna be totally discretionary and self-imposed. It won't be based on some actual external financial constraint. Cohen could spend $300M on payroll, obliterating whatever the MLB payroll record is, without blinking an eyeball, if that's what he wants to do.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 11 2020 05:23 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=smg58 post_id=50386 time=1605055873 user_id=62] The difference with Piazza/Hundley was that Hundley wouldn't play until September and the catchers the Mets had available were replacement level. So you were upgrading from replacement level to Hall-of-Famer. That's not the case here. Lindor is an elite defender at SS who can give you an OPS in the mid-.800s, which is certainly nothing to sneeze at. But I'd be more interested in a pitcher of comparable value for the same price tag, because the need is greater. I wouldn't rule it out necessarily, but it's not my plan A.

I totally forgot Hundley was injured at the time!

Edgy MD Nov 11 2020 07:32 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I don't know. Realmuto is certainly in the family picture, though. I guess I'm a Yasmani Grandal guy, but he's a couple of years older than Realmuto or McCann. Why amn't I hot for him? I'm not into seven-year commitments, I guess, no matter who's paying the bills. He seems like a red-ass, but that's hardly a rare thing in a veteran catcher. I'd certainly take him in if he's knocking at the door. Maybe I just want to be polite and not order too much.

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2020 07:45 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Ok, but what is the limit? Don't know, don't pretend to know, don't care. [Quote] The only "issue" with Lindor is the talent cost to acquire him

Not quite sure why issue is in quotes because OF COURSE talent cost is the crux of this whole thing. He can't be obtained any other way unless we want to kick the can on this topic for another year.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 11 2020 08:32 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I'm fine trading for Lindor but this Lindnor character batmags is talking about is a damn imposter

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2020 09:56 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I'm fine trading for Lindor but this Lindnor character batmags is talking about is a damn imposter Yeah, I dunno what's going on. I also misspelled Ossoff and Perdue in the other forum. I'm very accurate with name spellings and if I screw up a name, it's almost guaranteed to be a typo. But not these. Maybe I'm drunk with joy over Steve Cohen taking over here.

Centerfield Nov 12 2020 05:19 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

One thought about the two players being most discussed. And I acknowledge that it may not be an either/or situation given our new ownership. But Bauer strikes me as a guy that is pursued because he's the best available in that year. If Cole were available this offseason, would we even be thinking about him? Inconsistent career numbers. His Cy Young came in a weird, short season where he faced crap competition. Kind of a dick. I don't know. Lindor, on the other hand, is a guy you pursue whenever he's available. Even if you already have a shortstop or three. The acquisition. Not the cost.

The Hot Corner Nov 14 2020 07:23 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I would like to add Lindor to the Mets roster, if the cost (players) is reasonable. The proposed Rosario/Davis/Giminez deal is a little steep, but not totally unreasonable. I'm just not convinced that shortstop is the area of greatest need for the Mets. I would prefer the Mets use their trading chips to secure a proven frontline starter, catcher, or centerfielder. If the teams management feels they can secure a few of those needs through free agency, then I am okay with using their trading chips to upgrade the team at other positions. It would be nice to at least secure one of the more pressing needs before using trading chips elsewhere.

Centerfield Jan 07 2021 10:33 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Lindor trade. Happening now per Jeff Passan.

Centerfield Jan 07 2021 10:36 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Carrasco too. Giminez, and I'm sure more, going back.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 10:36 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Carrasco, too?! WTF is happening

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 10:40 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

And Cookie. Holy shit, I don't know what we're giving up, but what a get. https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1347235492950138883?s=20

LWFS Jan 07 2021 10:40 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

CARRASCO TOO, HOLY HELL okay everybody whisper, nobody make a sound until it's offishul

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 10:41 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Wow! Take THAT, Florence of the Frontier League!

bmfc1 Jan 07 2021 10:43 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 07 2021 10:54 AM

https://twitter.com/timbhealey/status/1347239894553423878 https://twitter.com/Lindor12BC https://twitter.com/Cookie_Carrasco

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 10:47 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Rosario heading to Cleveland, per Mayo. So Gimenez and Rosario, huh? https://twitter.com/JonathanMayo/status/1347237846827020288?s=20

seawolf17 Jan 07 2021 10:51 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Maybe it's Rosario and NOT Gimenez?

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 10:53 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

It is both. Final trade, per Rosenthal. Heck yes, Mets! https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1347239431879749633?s=20

LWFS Jan 07 2021 10:55 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

AND we keep Dom Smith! Nimmo, too! AND we're still likely in on Springer and Hand and more pitching help... MY COUNTRY IS BROKEN BUT MY BASEBALL TEAM IS A BURGEONING DEATH STAR

Centerfield Jan 07 2021 10:56 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Holy crap. I love this trade. And I never love trades.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 07 2021 10:57 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Holy shit

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 10:57 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=LWFS post_id=53446 time=1610042159 user_id=84] AND we keep Dom Smith! Nimmo, too! AND we're still likely in on Springer and Hand and more pitching help... MY COUNTRY IS BROKEN BUT MY BASEBALL TEAM IS A BURGEONING DEATH STAR

Yes, it feels weird to celebrate a crooked billionaire's re-shaping of my favorite baseball team BUT I NEED SOMETHING RIGHT NOW DAMMIT

Centerfield Jan 07 2021 10:58 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

This has to be one of the biggest trades in Mets history right? Piazza, Santana, Carter, Hernandez. I think this is top 5.

Centerfield Jan 07 2021 10:58 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

A Boy Named Seo wrote: =LWFS post_id=53446 time=1610042159 user_id=84] AND we keep Dom Smith! Nimmo, too! AND we're still likely in on Springer and Hand and more pitching help... MY COUNTRY IS BROKEN BUT MY BASEBALL TEAM IS A BURGEONING DEATH STAR Yes, it feels weird to celebrate a crooked billionaire's re-shaping of my favorite baseball team BUT I NEED SOMETHING RIGHT NOW DAMMIT

Hey, don't forget gender discrimination but who's keeping track!

bmfc1 Jan 07 2021 10:59 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

FYI, Lindor is only 2 years older than Amed.

Chad ochoseis Jan 07 2021 11:06 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I'm more excited about Carrasco, a power pitcher who quietly became one of the best in the AL over the past five years. And he's relatively cheap - $12M through 2022, then $14M club option/$3M buyout. Downside - he missed half of 2019 with leukemia. Now in remission, of course. I'm suspicious that Lindor's 2020 wasn't a fluke.

Chad ochoseis Jan 07 2021 11:08 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Deal done, according to Indians Twitter. The two Indians fans I've spoken to are pissed.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 11:10 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Chad ochoseis wrote: Deal done, according to Indians Twitter. The two Indians fans I've spoken to are pissed. Awaiting physicals though, no doubt. Getting a starting pitcher in the deal is definitely a bonus. They needed at least one more starter. Maybe now they're out on Bauer and more in on Odorizzi?

Gwreck Jan 07 2021 11:12 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Good trade.

TransMonk Jan 07 2021 11:13 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

It's hard not to like this.

86dreamer Jan 07 2021 11:15 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I'll get a head start on the poll: I love it!!!

Lefty Specialist Jan 07 2021 11:22 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=LWFS post_id=53446 time=1610042159 user_id=84] AND we keep Dom Smith! Nimmo, too! AND we're still likely in on Springer and Hand and more pitching help... MY COUNTRY IS BROKEN BUT MY BASEBALL TEAM IS A BURGEONING DEATH STAR

I had to laugh. (And sigh a little.)



I have Wilponian hangover, wondering where the land mines are here. But hell, this is an awesome deal. Getting Lindor AND a rotation upgrade for what essentially are spare parts given that Lindor is a SS is amazing. Lindor will have to be paid, but we also traded Jeff & Fred for Daddy Warbucks.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 11:23 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Is it too early for the Opening Day IGT, I need to see this lineup

nymr83 Jan 07 2021 11:31 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

A Boy Named Seo wrote: =LWFS post_id=53446 time=1610042159 user_id=84] AND we keep Dom Smith! Nimmo, too! AND we're still likely in on Springer and Hand and more pitching help... MY COUNTRY IS BROKEN BUT MY BASEBALL TEAM IS A BURGEONING DEATH STAR Yes, it feels weird to celebrate a crooked billionaire's re-shaping of my favorite baseball team BUT I NEED SOMETHING RIGHT NOW DAMMIT Hey, don't forget gender discrimination but who's keeping track!

DON'T FORGET that he runs clinics for veterans with PTSD



love this trade, love the feeling that the Wilpo cloud is lifted and we are a real NY team!

kcmets Jan 07 2021 11:32 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=LWFS post_id=53446 time=1610042159 user_id=84]MY COUNTRY IS BROKEN BUT MY BASEBALL TEAM IS A BURGEONING DEATH STAR

This lifts my spirits, thank you.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 07 2021 11:33 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

As some said, hard deal not to like. I especially am boner-y learning Lindor is a switch-hitter. And that he's a gold-glove SS who once hit 38 home runs in a season. Hopefully Carrasco can return to form because he was quite good once. Rosie had his chances and showed flashes over the years but really didn;t run with his opportunity the way I'd have liked him to. Gimenez obviously has ability but how much more than what he showed? Maybe the other 2 become stars but who knows.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 07 2021 12:16 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

What a middle infield that's gonna be -- Lindor and McNeil! So what's gonna happen to Cano? Will Cohen just dump him and eat the contract? I suppose Cohen doesn't have to make a big decision on Cano until next year even though he might not wait.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 12:20 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

The conventional wisdom seems to be that Cano has played his last game for the Mets. I don't know if that means they eat his entire contract, or part of it and trade him to another team. But in theory, Cano can return and play second base for the Mets in 2022 with McNeil moving to third base.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 07 2021 12:27 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Rosario was so hyped as a prospect and rookie Met that the expectation was that he'd be the player Lindor turned out to be.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 07 2021 12:29 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=53477 time=1610047637 user_id=68] Rosario was so hyped as a prospect and rookie Met that the expectation was that he'd be the player Lindor turned out to be.

And now we have the real Lindor and the other Met rookie from 2017 now hits like Willie Stargell.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 07 2021 12:32 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=53478 time=1610047766 user_id=68] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=53477 time=1610047637 user_id=68] Rosario was so hyped as a prospect and rookie Met that the expectation was that he'd be the player Lindor turned out to be.

And now we have the real Lindor and the other Met rookie from 2017 now hits like Willie Stargell.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 12:41 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Sandy and Jared going live at 3 eastern to give us the low-down.

metsmarathon Jan 07 2021 12:57 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

holy shit this is exciting!

smg58 Jan 07 2021 01:06 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=TransMonk post_id=53457 time=1610043197 user_id=71] It's hard not to like this.

It's impossible not to like this.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 07 2021 01:22 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

PORTER PULLS A CLEVELAND STEAMER

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 01:24 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

May be the last transaction between the Mets and the "Indians". Previously, this would have to be the biggest trade the two clubs ever made: New York Mets traded Alex Escobar, Jerrod Riggan, Matt Lawton, Billy Traber and Earl Snyder to the Cleveland Indians for Roberto Alomar, Mike Bacsik and Danny Peoples on December 11, 2001.

LWFS Jan 07 2021 01:27 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 07 2021 01:28 PM

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=53477 time=1610047637 user_id=68] Rosario was so hyped as a prospect and rookie Met that the expectation was that he'd be the player Lindor turned out to be.

Worth noting: Rosario is just two years younger than Lindor.



After some paperwork and a brief check-in with Our Burning Republic, I just spent 30 minutes watching Lindor highlights and giggling. Highly recommend it.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 07 2021 01:27 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

When Valentine heard what the Mets were giving up in the Alomar trade he asked "What's wrong with him?" (meaning Alomar)

Edgy MD Jan 07 2021 01:37 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

A poster who I believe was an early incarnation of ashie was a big Jerrod Riggan supporter.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 01:38 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: When Valentine heard what the Mets were giving up in the Alomar trade he asked "What's wrong with him?" (meaning Alomar) New York's a tough city to acclimate to. If only Alomar had had some decent neighbors to make him feel at home...

Frayed Knot Jan 07 2021 01:43 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 07 2021 01:47 PM

OK, so this is, like, big news and stuff. Chad ochoseis wrote: I'm suspicious that Lindor's 2020 wasn't a fluke. Not sure why that would be the case but, after 5 seasons of 850-ish OPS's right out of the box [835, 794, 842, 871, 854], his age 26 season did suddenly take a hundred point drop. His walk rate, about average [.064, .079, .051] over the previous three seasons (which alone puts him light years ahead of Rosario), stayed on course [.079] in 2020 Mainly it looks like the power was down: IsoP for his first five seasons = 169, 134, 232, 242, 234, then this season dropped back more to his early days which was still a very respectable 157, about league average and better still for a middle IF. His BA and BA-bip were down in 2020 but not dramatically: .258 vs .285 career; .280 vs .298 career Bottom line is that, given a lack of age & injury factors, I'd tend to believe the larger sample over the smaller and the non-fucked-up seasons over the fucked-up one 'twould be a shame if he went all Robbie Alomar on us at the ripe old age of 27 -- Alomar had OPS's of 853 & 956 in his pre-trade seasons then cratered to 708 & 683 but RA was 33 & 34 during his NYM tenure. And the one caveat being that he's here for only one season until further notice.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 01:46 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=LWFS post_id=53490 time=1610051230 user_id=84] After some paperwork and a brief check-in with Our Burning Republic, I just spent 30 minutes watching Lindor highlights and giggling. Highly recommend it.

I wasn't aware that paperwork was required before you could giggle for 30 minutes. Maybe this country really does have too many regulations.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 02:28 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Porter seemed to repeat himself a lot, but I loved hearing what he had to say. Never content, will always be trying to upgrade, and his #1 hit "creative and opportunistic".

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 02:30 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I missed seeing this live. Is there a site where the entire thing can be viewed? SNY's site only has the first minute and a half or so.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 02:34 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

The Mets twitter has it available for re-watch.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 02:40 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Thanks!

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 02:44 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

He'll be our third Francisco, after Estrada and Rodriguez.

dgwphotography Jan 07 2021 02:49 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Maybe it's my Wilponian Hangover, But trading for middle infielders from Cleveland hasn't exactly worked out well in the past.

MFS62 Jan 07 2021 03:27 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

With both Giminez and Rosario going and McNeil playing second, who plays third? JD Davis is the initial reaction, but there's only so much ground Lindor can cover. And who is the backup shortstop? Carasco didn't just have a normal baseball injury, he was diagnosed with Lukemia. I'm sure the physical will reveal how well he has responded to treatment. Later

A Boy Named Seo Jan 07 2021 03:44 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Carrasco had a pretty amazing (and inspiring) return to play after battling leukemia. I'm really excited to watch him in our uni this year.

ashie62 Jan 07 2021 07:46 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Steve Cohen is the only one with money. Hoe about that!

Fman99 Jan 07 2021 11:19 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I <3 this trade holy magoogifers

seawolf17 Jan 08 2021 05:55 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=MFS62 post_id=53517 time=1610058430 user_id=60] With both Giminez and Rosario going and McNeil playing second, who plays third? JD Davis is the initial reaction, but there's only so much ground Lindor can cover. And who is the backup shortstop?

I have to figure right now the all-purpose backup infielder is Guillorme.

stevejrogers Jan 08 2021 07:32 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=nymr83 post_id=50312 time=1604983964 user_id=54] fine, but can we still take Carrasco's contract off their hands? its nice have an owner whose money we can pretend to spend!

Is Cohen secretly reading this board 😳👀🤣😉

A Boy Named Seo Jan 08 2021 09:23 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Some Mets fan with a YouTube channel tells us all about what kind of people Francisco Lindor and Cookie Carrasco are. [YOUTUBE]j6VFujpI7EQ[/YOUTUBE]

G-Fafif Jan 08 2021 06:23 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

https://twitter.com/numbersmlb/status/1347712180922310657?s=21

MFS62 Jan 09 2021 06:34 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

The day Lindor plays his first game as a Met he will immediately become the best shortstop to ever play for a New York team. Remember to point that out to every MFY fan you see. Remember, a day without insulting Derek Jeter is a day without sunshine. Later

stevejrogers Jan 09 2021 06:51 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=MFS62 post_id=53660 time=1610199269 user_id=60] The day Lindor plays his first game as a Met he will immediately become the best shortstop to ever play for a New York team. Remember to point that out to every MFY fan you see. Remember, a day without insulting Derek Jeter is a day without sunshine. Later

AFraud has 5 games at short as a MFY. All during his first two seasons though. ;)

MFS62 Jan 09 2021 07:38 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=stevejrogers post_id=53661 time=1610200262 user_id=57] =MFS62 post_id=53660 time=1610199269 user_id=60] The day Lindor plays his first game as a Met he will immediately become the best shortstop to ever play for a New York team. Remember to point that out to every MFY fan you see. Remember, a day without insulting Derek Jeter is a day without sunshine. Later

AFraud has 5 games at short as a MFY. All during his first two seasons though. ;)


I never said Derek dropped to second. He will now drop to third. :)

Later

bmfc1 Jan 09 2021 01:15 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

https://twitter.com/MetsAnalytics/status/1347999395351035908/photo/1

Chad ochoseis Jan 09 2021 01:31 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

dWAR is interesting there. I never thought of Jeets as a bad SS early in his career, and I never thought of Ripken as ever being particularly good.

G-Fafif Jan 09 2021 03:02 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1348025806161928192?s=21

Edgy MD Jan 09 2021 03:37 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Is that how Keith Hernandez looks in SIMS?

ashie62 Jan 09 2021 06:47 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

=MFS62 post_id=53660 time=1610199269 user_id=60] The day Lindor plays his first game as a Met he will immediately become the best shortstop to ever play for a New York team. Remember to point that out to every MFY fan you see. Remember, a day without insulting Derek Jeter is a day without sunshine. Later

Jose Reyes is crying.

Edgy MD Jan 09 2021 10:17 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

The best shortstop in New York history is a stretch to award to anybody after one game. If one game counts, then Alex Rodriguez probably gets the honor. George Davis should be a big candidate also. Maybe Frankie Frisch, too, though both spent only the first half of their careers in New York.

LWFS Jan 09 2021 11:45 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Chad ochoseis wrote: dWAR is interesting there. I never thought of Jeets as a bad SS early in his career, and I never thought of Ripken as ever being particularly good. Range is key on both counts.

MFS62 Jan 10 2021 06:06 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Edgy MD wrote: The best shortstop in New York history is a stretch to award to anybody after one game. Relax. It was just a hyperbolic opportunity I saw to insult Jeter, one of my favorite things to do. Later

ashie62 Jan 10 2021 06:37 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Jeter sucks. Really not fair to be critical of Lindor's 2020 campaign. He did play in every game of this rogue season. He lost the effect of his age 26 season. He has the ability to carry a team for short stretches. The best is yet to come.

Edgy MD Jan 11 2021 09:07 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Lucky Lindy's introductory press conference: [YOUTUBE]NUuxbg3e7jc[/YOUTUBE]

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2021 09:13 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I joined a little late. Has anyone asked him about contract negotiations yet?

Edgy MD Jan 11 2021 09:15 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

"I'm not opposed to a long-term contract," was all I picked up.

Edgy MD Jan 11 2021 09:19 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Asked in Spanish about the Yankees and the fight for the higher New York profile. His answer is EXTENSIVE and I only picked up part of it. Here comes the translation: "It's not necessarily about what has happened in the past. If we're a winning team today, that's what matters. Of course we want to be the #1 team in New York, but we also want to be the #1 team in the entire country."

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2021 09:30 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I hate these questions about the Yankees. If I was getting one of those questions, I would say that there are 29 other teams, and the Yankees are one of them.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 11 2021 09:39 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

I joined late, too, but his response about calling out teammates who broke Covid protocol was really thoughtful and something I'd wanna hear out of my neighbors, let alone a pro athlete.

Edgy MD Jan 11 2021 09:44 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

He generally seemed thoughtful. What a crappy way to have an introductory press conference.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2021 09:58 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

It sounds like Francisco has a BIG dog.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 11 2021 10:47 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I joined late, too, but his response about calling out teammates who broke Covid protocol was really thoughtful and something I'd wanna hear out of my neighbors, let alone a pro athlete. Yeah I thought the same thing

ashie62 Jan 11 2021 11:23 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Good clubhouse guy.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 11 2021 02:21 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Lindor sez he won't negotiate his next contract during the regular season.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2021 02:23 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

He kind of implied that he wanted it wrapped up by a certain point in spring training. Start the conversations soon. Get it done. Both with Lindor and Conforto. (I think they'll have to wait and see on Syndergaard though. May have to risk him testing free agency.)

Frayed Knot Jan 11 2021 02:27 PM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

That's pretty much S.O.P. for most players, that if things don't get done before or during ST then he goes the FA-gency next winter. Not that everyone who states that sticks with it. Betts signed w/the Dodgers in late July after barely two weeks into the season. But then last year was an unusual year.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 13 2021 07:10 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Mets' Sandy Alderson explains how decision to sign James McCann allowed Mets to trade for Francisco Lindor Excerpt: Alderson said that the talks with the Indians began in November before ramping up last week, but he also explained how the team's decision to sign catcher James McCann played a big role in being able to go after Lindor and Carrasco. Because if the Mets had signed, say, J.T. Realmuto instead, it's likely that Lindor wouldn't be on the Mets' roster right now. https://sports.yahoo.com/mets-sandy-alderson-explains-decision-022055759.html Why on earth would signing Realmuto prevent the Mets from then trading for Lindor in hopes of signing Lindor long-term? Money? That's the only reason I could think of. And I'm not buying it. I think it's a smokescreen so that free agents won't think they can have their way with Cohen's money. Really? So does that mean that if Cano weren't suspended, the Mets wouldn't have been able to sign McAnn? Makes no sense. Especially given Cohen's wealth.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2021 08:44 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1368898008595787778[/TWEET]

Frayed Knot Mar 08 2021 10:21 AM Re: Let's talk about Francisco Lindor

Even without him playing a meaningful game for us yet, it would suck to find ourselves sans Francisco a year from now.