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George Springer

Centerfield Nov 11 2020 01:53 PM

The more I think about it, this is the guy. Go get him Sandy.

Lefty Specialist Nov 11 2020 03:27 PM Re: George Springer

Absolutely. A real CF with all the tools. Much more important than a SS upgrade.

smg58 Nov 11 2020 04:45 PM Re: George Springer

He's a really good fit for this team. Plus if he needs to slide over to a corner in a couple of years, the team should be able to accommodate him.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 11 2020 05:00 PM Re: George Springer

Right handed hittingness, centerfieldability, northeasterncentricity, ticketsellingability, yeah he's a guy to get

smg58 Nov 11 2020 05:07 PM Re: George Springer

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Right handed hittingness, centerfieldability, northeasterncentricity, ticketsellingability, yeah he's a guy to get And don't forget his last name is Springer.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 11 2020 05:10 PM Re: George Springer

Dennis and Steve can suck it

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2020 05:14 PM Re: George Springer Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 12 2020 07:39 AM

The interesting thing about him was that he came up as a guy prone to K-ing but morphed into a low(er) K guy (who knows what even constitutes 'low' these days) even at a time when K-rates continue to climb in the sport. 2015: 28.1% (K/ABs) 2016: 27.6 2017: 20.2 2018: 22.4 2019: 23.6 2020: 20.1 Or by ABs per K 2015: 3.6 2016: 3.6 2017: 4.9 2018: 4.5 2019: 4.2 2020: 5.0 Now cynics might note that maybe that's the result of the Astros increasingly knowing the pitches that were coming and perhaps there's something to that especially since he wasn't the only Astro to do so. But those changes are also significant enough (especially starting in 2017) and have kept the trend long enough to treat them as at least mostly real. It's the difference between K-ing between 1/4 and 1/3 of the time as a rookie to down around 1/5 now, or over once per game in the beginning to more like four Ks every five games now. That's not just a statistical quirk. Already 31 y/o (two months ago) you'd want to consider the length of the deal you'd offer and he's neither the true ball-hawk of a CF you'd love to have nor is he likely to stay in the middle of the field for long. But for the next couple of years at least he should be a terrific fit. Plus he's semi-local [Avon, CT and UConn] and despite the fact that his paternal grandfather was a black man from Panama who immigrated sometime during the middle of the 20th century while my clan is decidedly white and landed in this country about a century before it was even this country, I'm still determined to find a genetic link I can use to go and hit up old "cousin George" for some tickets now and then.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2020 07:36 PM Re: George Springer

If there's any insider information about him that might add some insight, maybe the Cardinals can let us know.

Centerfield Nov 12 2020 06:58 AM Re: George Springer

Great analysis FK. I was already sold, but that drives the point home. Plus, what are you looking at if you don't get him? Jackie Bradley Jr? A trade for Starling Marte? Gotta get this one. I can see Cohen going Axelrod here.

metsmarathon Nov 12 2020 07:22 AM Re: George Springer

yeah, he's as close to a must-have as there is this winter. if we miss on springer, there's a lot of cobbling together of odd fits in odd places. which, well, sounds like a very traditionally metly thing to have to do. and while i'm all about tradition, i hope we can do away with that one, maybe just a little bit. with springer, on the other hand, it really unlocks the tumblers on all the other things we might like to get done this winter.

bmfc1 Nov 12 2020 07:25 AM Re: George Springer

Thanks, FK. I hope that Steve Cohen considers him to be Alberto Giacometti's "L'Homme au doigt" of this FA class.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 12 2020 07:28 AM Re: George Springer

So we'd have Springer in center and Conforto and Nimmo on the corners? The DH question really needs to be answered soon. If the NL is going to have the DH, I'd put Smith on first (most of the time) and let Alonso DH (most of the time). But if there's no DH, I would think that Smith or Nimmo might be dealt.

Frayed Knot Nov 12 2020 07:37 AM Re: George Springer Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 12 2020 02:05 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So we'd have Springer in center and Conforto and Nimmo on the corners? That represents a lotta OF'ers on base (and a potent 1-2-3 in the lineup maybe) specifically a .383 OBA for that trio across the 2019 & 2020 seasons combined [just over 2,000 total PAs].

MFS62 Nov 12 2020 08:13 AM Re: George Springer

Edgy MD wrote: If there's any insider information about him that might add some insight, maybe the Cardinals can let us know. A spectacular 94 points on the snark-o-meter! Well played! LOL! Later

Frayed Knot Nov 12 2020 10:03 AM Re: George Springer

I hope that Steve Cohen considers him to be Alberto Giacometti's "L'Homme au doigt" of this FA class. And remember: l'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace

Lefty Specialist Nov 12 2020 11:23 AM Re: George Springer

Où est la poubelle?

MFS62 Nov 13 2020 08:18 AM Re: George Springer

Lefty Specialist wrote: Où est la poubelle? Pot belly? We already had Bartolo Colon. Later

The Hot Corner Nov 14 2020 07:51 PM Re: George Springer

Springer is at the top of my wish list for this off season. If the Mets can land Springer, then add a solid starter to slot behind DeGrom and a proven catcher, I will be very happy. Yeah, I know I don't want much, but for the first time in several years, I truly have hope that the Mets cand (and will) make the moves to legitimately improve the team.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2020 03:36 PM Re: George Springer

He would be only the fifth Mets player named George, assuming you count Seaver as a "Tom".

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2020 04:06 PM Re: George Springer

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He would be only the fifth Mets player named George ... Odd, considering that signing him would make him the third Springer to play for the team. One would think that Georges would be considerably more common than Springers. Or, put another way, that would mean exactly half of all the ML Springers in history would have spent time on the Mets. Now not much time so far considering that Steve Springer totaled 5 ABs in 1992 (and never appeared in a ML game again) and Dennis racked up a grand total of 11-1/3 IP in the 2000 season so George doesn't exactly have a large barrier to clear in order to claim the title of best ever Springer on the Mets. I think he's already sewed up the best ever pro baseball playing Springer. * Ed Springer - a Canadian native whose lone season came in 1889 for Louisville in the American Association when he was 22 y/o. He'd live for just another 2-1/2 years * Brad Springer - the Detroit native saw time in the 1925 season for the StL Browns and in '26 for the Reds. He appeared in a total of just 4 games as a reliever. * Dennis Springer - a knuckleballer (I've had some knuckleHeads in my family) who pitched for six teams over eight season from 1995 to 2002 * Steve Springer - Long Beach, CA native and a 20th round draft pick by the Mets out of baseball hot-spot University of Utah was an infielder who got four starts/12 ABs for the 1990 Indians then one start/5 ABs for the '92 Mets * Russ Springer - Prior to George, Russ held claim to king of the Springers in MLB. The Louisiana native came up with the Yanx and became a durable, if mostly unspectacular, reliever [740 Games, 27 starts] across 18 seasons for ten different teams. And in looking all this up I discovered that active player Carson Fullmer (2016-2020; White Sox, Tigers, Orioles) sports the full name of Carson Springer Fullmer which indicates to me that he's quite possibly got a maternal Springer somewhere in his midst (that maternal middle name thing is popular 'mongst us WASPs) so he qualifies as an honorary Springer. OK, this got me going. Now we HAVE to sign George!

Edgy MD Nov 19 2020 04:39 PM Re: George Springer

Without checking, I'm recalling our four Georges to date as being Altman, Foster, Stone ... and Theodore. Hey, I remembered them an alphabetical order. With checking, I see that they were all born before 1950 — a gilded age for Georges.

Centerfield Nov 19 2020 05:48 PM Re: George Springer

For those that feel a grown man shouldn't wear another man's name on his back, what if that name is also your name?

Centerfield Nov 19 2020 05:50 PM Re: George Springer

Cuz if his name were Dae Sung Kim...

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2020 05:52 PM Re: George Springer

=Centerfield post_id=51054 time=1605833318 user_id=65] For those that feel a grown man shouldn't wear another man's name on his back, what if that name is also your name?

Make sure the uniform number is different?

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2020 06:13 PM Re: George Springer

Benjamin Grimm wrote: =Centerfield post_id=51054 time=1605833318 user_id=65] For those that feel a grown man shouldn't wear another man's name on his back, what if that name is also your name? Make sure the uniform number is different?

My brothers and I chipped in to buy dad a road NYM jersey for his 70th birthday complete with name and number on the back, so unless George opts to abandon the #4 he wore as

an Astro and adopts #70 if/when he joins the Mets, the family (and by family I mean Bucket as he somehow claimed possession of it) will have a right-name/wrong-number jersey.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2020 07:47 PM Re: George Springer

Edgy MD wrote: Without checking, I'm recalling our four Georges to date as being Altman, Foster, Stone ... and Theodore. You know what's weird? I remembered Stone and Theodore immediately, and Altman very shortly after. I forgot all about Foster, the Mets' most prominent George, completely. I didn't realize I had overlooked him until I looked it up. Sheesh.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 19 2020 07:48 PM Re: George Springer

Edgy MD wrote: Without checking, I'm recalling our four Georges to date as being Altman, Foster, Stone ... and Theodore. Hey, I remembered them an alphabetical order. With checking, I see that they were all born before 1950 — a gilded age for Georges. George Thomas Seaver says he's in that club, and slides in between Foster and Stone aphabetically.

Frayed Knot Nov 26 2020 04:45 AM Re: George Springer

https://nypost.com/2020/11/25/mlb-free-agency-2020-george-springer-would-shine-with-mets/

Centerfield Nov 26 2020 05:07 AM Re: George Springer

I'm convinced. Let's sign him.

MFS62 Nov 30 2020 12:31 PM Re: George Springer

Ruh Roh! The Jays have spent a lot on free agents in recent years, and this makes me nervous: https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-mets-free-agent-target-155528632.html Later

Centerfield Dec 08 2020 07:49 AM Re: George Springer

Buster Olney says on ESPN radio that he will be his family farm that Springer ends up on the Mets. I have no doubt the Mets will do their part, but this is the first place I've seen it suggested that George is interested.

MFS62 Dec 08 2020 07:54 AM Re: George Springer

Buster Olney says on ESPN radio that he will be his family farm that Springer ends up on the Mets. I have no doubt the Mets will do their part, but this is the first place I've seen it suggested that George is interested. I still can't think of someone who calls himself "Buster" as credible. I'm not counting these chickens until I hear the peep. Later

Frayed Knot Dec 08 2020 07:57 AM Re: George Springer

Olney (Robert Stanbury Olney III) grew up on a dairy farm in Vermont, so that would be the prize for anyone who cares to take him up on that bet. Then the only question that remains is whether you'd consider gaining ownership of a dairy operation in north-central Vermont to be a 'win'.

MFS62 Dec 08 2020 08:05 AM Re: George Springer

Frayed Knot wrote: Olney (Robert Stanbury Olney III) grew up on a dairy farm in Vermont, so that would be the prize for anyone who cares to take him up on that bet. Then the only question that remains is whether you'd consider gaining ownership of a dairy operation in north-central Vermont to be a 'win'. LOL! Good point. Must be something about New Englandahs that makes them think they know everything about baseball, but don't - like Peter Gammons. Later

Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2020 02:40 PM Re: George Springer

Bob Klapsich wrote: #Mets are moving closer to George Springer and/or Trevor Bauer. Ultimate target is TBD. I'm told @StevenACohen2 is leaning towards Springer; Alderson would like to sign Bauer. Either one would be a huge upgrade in Flushing. I'm rooting for AND over OR.

LWFS Dec 09 2020 05:46 PM Re: George Springer

Frayed Knot wrote: Olney (Robert Stanbury Olney III) grew up on a dairy farm in Vermont, so that would be the prize for anyone who cares to take him up on that bet. Then the only question that remains is whether you'd consider gaining ownership of a dairy operation in north-central Vermont to be a 'win'. "Buster" > "Trip"/"Tripp" (but it's close)

Frayed Knot Dec 09 2020 06:59 PM Re: George Springer

And probably also better than Harry, Harry II (Skip), and Harry III (Chip) Carey.

Edgy MD Dec 09 2020 07:33 PM Re: George Springer

Bob Klapsich wrote: #Mets are moving closer to George Springer and/or Trevor Bauer. Ultimate target is TBD. I'm told @StevenACohen2 is leaning towards Springer; Alderson would like to sign Bauer. Either one would be a huge upgrade in Flushing. I'm with CoCo here, but that tweet sure lands a hit on centerfield's #3.

bmfc1 Dec 21 2020 06:41 AM Re: George Springer

Jeff Passan has a column this morning that has many, many thoughts but no conclusions. My summary: The Mets are in on all but there are no guarantees. Here's an excerpt. (Seriously, George. Toronto? It's not like Eugene Levy will be there to greet you. You're a Connecticut guy so we know that Toronto is a beard. Plus, you might have to play in Buffalo for a few months. We're ready when you are.) [BLOCKQUOTE]... Springer might be the most fascinating of all because of the teams vying for his services: the New York Mets and Toronto Blue Jays. There are others, too, but executives believe this is a two-team race between the duo seen as the likely biggest spenders this winter. Certainly this benefits Springer; bidding wars these days are few and far between. But Springer also understands that there are scenarios in which both teams go in another direction. The Blue Jays, sources said, have emerged as significant players in the LeMahieu sweepstakes -- perhaps the biggest threat to him re-signing with the New York Yankees, with whom a significant gap remains. The Mets also have expressed interest in LeMahieu. New York is seen by a number of executives as the best landing spot for Bauer. [/BLOCKQUOTE] https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/30568689/what-jeff-passan-hearing-new-homes-george-springer-nolan-arenado

stevejrogers Dec 27 2020 11:57 AM Re: George Springer

There was some non-blue checkmark “insider” twats twittering that a signing was imminent in time for Christmas. Clearly that was trolling trash!

Frayed Knot Dec 31 2020 03:36 AM Re: George Springer

Citing "a source" (Ceetar would refer to that as 'making it up') the NYDN says it's down to the Mets or Jays for a January signing.

Centerfield Dec 31 2020 06:03 AM Re: George Springer

I like her stuff but that is a lot of filler in that article. Basically you can stop reading after the first 3 sentences.

MFS62 Dec 31 2020 06:08 AM Re: George Springer

Frayed Knot wrote: Citing "a source" (Ceetar would refer to that as 'making it up') the NYDN says it's down to the Mets or Jays for a January signing. That "source" is probably SNY, which has been saying the same thing. This may be a chicken/egg situation. OE: Jeff Passan of ESPN+ said it was down to 2 teams back on Dec. 21. Here's the link, but it has a paywall. https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/30568689/what-jeff-passan-hearing-new-homes-george-springer-nolan-arenado Later

Benjamin Grimm Dec 31 2020 06:38 AM Re: George Springer

I have to think that the Mets will be able to put together a better deal than the Blue Jays. I expect Springer to be a Met. I'm more concerned about whether or not they'll get a deep enough starting rotation. If they sign Springer, I think they may very well trade Nimmo, unless we learn that there will be no DH in 2021.

Centerfield Dec 31 2020 07:07 AM Re: George Springer

I hope not. I imagine it would take about a month before we get hit with an injury and regret trading him. Besides. The DH will be full time in 2022, if not 2021.

nymr83 Jan 01 2021 08:14 PM Re: George Springer

=Centerfield post_id=53055 time=1609423643 user_id=65] I hope not. I imagine it would take about a month before we get hit with an injury and regret trading him. Besides. The DH will be full time in 2022, if not 2021.

Yeah the Wilpon era has ended. We are now smart enough I hope to think longer term. Plan for the DH even it wont be til next year.

Lefty Specialist Jan 03 2021 01:23 PM Re: George Springer

If Nimmo helps to get a legitimate #2 starter, I'll pack his bags for him.

Centerfield Jan 08 2021 07:46 AM Re: George Springer

Now that we have Lindor in hand, there is speculation that Springer is less likely than he was before. Not sure how true that is, but I guess we should start considering other options. Unless we want a repeat of Nimmo in CF, which the analytics guys are not crazy about, I'm sure. There are rumblings about Jackie Bradley Jr. Not sure what it would cost to get him, but MLB Trade Rumors predicts him at 2 years, $16MM. I'd be inclined to skip that for a guy with a career OPS of .732. Over 30 guy who's value is mainly in defense. Not sure what other CF options there are. I'm sure the Brewers would love to unload Lorenzo Cain, who had a down year in 2019 and opted out of 2020. Article here: https://www.brewcrewball.com/2020/12/1/21755152/milwaukee-brewers-trade-candidates-lorenzo-cain You'd think Starling Marte would become available during the year if Miami falls out of it. I don't know. At the risk of sounding greedy, I still think Springer is the one guy the Mets needed the most.

MFS62 Jan 08 2021 07:56 AM Re: George Springer

=Centerfield post_id=53543 time=1610117195 user_id=65] Now that we have Lindor in hand, there is speculation that Springer is less likely than he was before.

The Mets are projected be about $30 million under the cap, after all raises for current players are done. Cohen has said he might no go over the cap this early in his ownership, and Springer is asking for more than that (annualized basis - reported to be $175 million over five years). So unless they back load the contract, other deals will have to be made to make signing him possible.

Of course, we are in unknown territory here, so anything is still possible.



Later

Benjamin Grimm Jan 08 2021 07:57 AM Re: George Springer

Does that include making room for a contract for Lindor and Conforto? And remember, just because Springer is asking for $175 million over five, it doesn't mean that's what he'll get.

MFS62 Jan 08 2021 08:25 AM Re: George Springer

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Does that include making room for a contract for Lindor and Conforto? And remember, just because Springer is asking for $175 million over five, it doesn't mean that's what he'll get. Yes, that is the amount remaining after the acquisitions. (as calculated by SNY) I agree. You can't always get what you want. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t-s&p=you+can%27t+always+get+what+you+want#id=1&vid=a87cee5d85f8f525cb56b91979765249&action=click Later

MFS62 Jan 08 2021 12:16 PM Re: George Springer

In their twelve pictures of ballplayers today, baseball-reference has George Springer. Someone there is messing with our minds. Later

ashie62 Jan 08 2021 12:32 PM Re: George Springer

Springer will come to Cohen. George ain't getting anywhere near $175 million.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 08 2021 12:53 PM Re: George Springer

In their twelve pictures of ballplayers today, baseball-reference has George Springer. Someone there is messing with our minds. Re: "today". BRef's photo lineup at the top of its main page changes with every click. Click on BRef right now and you'll get a completely different (randomized) array. I just got Mike Piazza in a special Tom Lasorda tribute home page. Is that a coincidence? Piazza/Lasorda? (Lasorda made Piazza's career possible). [FIMG=1611]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50814790821_0bbd3d6c97_o.png[/FIMG]

Centerfield Jan 14 2021 08:24 AM Re: George Springer

I listened to this podcast of Jon Heyman interviewing Sandy Alderson. Full disclosure, I didn't realize it was Heyman until after it was done. He sounds like he's 100 years old by the way. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/big-time-baseball-a-radio-com-sports-original/id1458916969 Anyway, the takeaway here is that Sandy says they are loosely engaged with Springer, while expressing the need to add an outfielder, preferably right-handed. If I'm reading between the lines here, it seems like Springer is a possibility, but that Sandy and company seem content to wait it out and see if he comes around to them at their price. The suggestion here is that getting Lindor takes away the pressure to bring in Springer. In essence, I think Sandy is trying to negate any leverage that Springer may have felt he had by fans like me, and media designating Springer a "must get". Bottom line, I think we may get Springer, only if meets our asking price, and that if it happens, it's likely not going to happen for a while.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 14 2021 08:39 AM Re: George Springer

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they're waiting on the DH decision too. If there's no DH, then signing Springer marginalizes Dominic Smith and you're therefore improving the team that much less. If there's no DH, maybe LeMahieu is a better fit than Springer.

MFS62 Jan 14 2021 08:49 AM Re: George Springer

Looks like the Mets are kicking the tires on other CF options, pending a decision on the DH. Albert Almora is one of those options: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mets-interest-free-agent-center-150654799.html Later

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 14 2021 09:16 AM Re: George Springer

Sherman has an even more nuanced take. Good stuff here including his own WATP that the Mets sans a DH/Springer could flip Familia and Betances for Lorenzo Cain. https://nypost.com/2021/01/13/mlbs-dh-fight-holding-up-mets-offseason-sherman/

Edgy MD Jan 14 2021 09:43 AM Re: George Springer

=Sherm]That decision would allow the Mets — more than any other NL team — to maximize their current roster and more efficiently make further improvements.

I don't think this is true, except that it's seen through a local lens.



A universal DH would give the Mets a real solid flexibility in roster building — the exact same flexibility it would give the Nats, the Dodgers, the Giants, and everybody else.

vtmet7 Jan 14 2021 02:48 PM Re: George Springer

best way to fix the overall pitching staff is to fix the defense...an outfield with Nimmo in CF is not the answer...judging by Almora's stats, he's not a MLB player on anything other than a cellar dweller...

Frayed Knot Jan 14 2021 03:18 PM Re: George Springer

Almora is a stellar defensive player and is still not yet 27 y/o ... but if one is going to play in the OF one has to hit at least a little bit and Almora, following some early promise in Chi-Town, has steadily declined to the point where he's in danger of falling off a cliff.

ashie62 Jan 14 2021 04:30 PM Re: George Springer

They got Lindor and Carrasco. I believe that's all she wrote.

bmfc1 Jan 14 2021 04:44 PM Re: George Springer

Lindor, Carrasco, May, and McCann.

nymr83 Jan 14 2021 07:25 PM Re: George Springer

=ashie62 post_id=53972 time=1610667031 user_id=90] They got Lindor and Carrasco. I believe that's all she wrote.

You are stuck in the Wilpon Mindset!



This roster isn't done.



There is an outfielder and a possibly a starting pitcher on the opening day roster who are not in the organization today.

Frayed Knot Jan 18 2021 06:47 PM Re: George Springer

MLB.com's J P Morosi suggests that Springer's decision could come this week (which I suppose means it also could come next week, or in August) with the Mets & Jays still considered the favorites to land him with maybe the Jays thought to be the more aggressive of the two due to them so far missing out on all their other attempts as opposed to the Mets who have previously landed McCann & Lindor.

smg58 Jan 19 2021 06:31 AM Re: George Springer

Chili Davis has worked with Almora, so we already know if there is anything there that is not seen in the numbers. The same can be said for Jackie Bradley, who had an All-Star season under Davis' watch, but then had three mediocre seasons followed by a bounce-back last year.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 19 2021 08:39 PM Re: George Springer

Lots of internet chatter that this ungrateful prick Springer is going to Canada.

Edgy MD Jan 19 2021 08:43 PM Re: George Springer

Man, the post-Jared era is starting to suck.

Centerfield Jan 19 2021 08:49 PM Re: George Springer

If true, this is a big miss for the Mets.

Centerfield Jan 19 2021 09:01 PM Re: George Springer

Done deal. 6 years 150M. Shit day for the Mets.

G-Fafif Jan 19 2021 09:16 PM Re: George Springer

Invest in Lindforto.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 19 2021 09:28 PM Re: George Springer

Details? Did Springer give the Mets a chance to top the Jays reported 6yr/$150M offer? Did the Mets signal that they wouldn't top the Jays offer, effectively bowing out of the pursuit of Springer? Did Springer accept an offer from the Mets that was lower than the Mets offer? Will we ever know? Was the plan to not get Realmuto or Springer?

Centerfield Jan 19 2021 09:33 PM Re: George Springer

6 years. 120-125M was the Mets rumored offer.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 19 2021 09:46 PM Re: George Springer

=Centerfield post_id=54419 time=1611117229 user_id=65] 6 years. 120-125M was the Mets rumored offer.

Well, I don't think that answers the first two of my three questions. We need more deets.

metsmarathon Jan 19 2021 09:53 PM Re: George Springer

damnit. no telling how much the porter fiasco might've just cost us. good on the jays for capitalizing, though. but OK, so what's plan B? do we move on jackie bradley junior to give us some centerfieldering ability? or do we turn instead to deepening the rotation, perhaps with a tanaka, or maybe a big reach on bauer? defenisve shortcomings aside, there really are not much in the way of upgrades out there for our outfield at this point. not for nothing, but fangraphs puts as the 9th best CF right now with nimmo out there. (10th after they post springer) they also have us at 8th in left field, and that's with a somewhat pessimistic take on dom smith, at least compared to what a lot of people on here are thinking. we're weakest at 3rd, according to fangraphs' projections, fwiw. what can we do there?

A Boy Named Seo Jan 19 2021 10:39 PM Re: George Springer

Yeah, I bet the Porter bullshit put the Mets in a bad spot, whether they were likely to get him or not. I do think if Springer was not gonna happen, I'd guess Bauer isn't either. I mean, they did add $34M in payroll last week with Lindor and Cookie. Instead of all on Springer, the Mets can fill a couple of holes with really good parts, though. I'd still love to see a Brad Hand Job and maybe now Justin Turner on a semi-expensive one-year deal isn't so crazy (that dude ain't gonna get 4 years, is he?).

batmagadanleadoff Jan 19 2021 10:50 PM Re: George Springer

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=54421 time=1611117990 user_id=68] =Centerfield post_id=54419 time=1611117229 user_id=65] 6 years. 120-125M was the Mets rumored offer.

Well, I don't think that answers the first two of my three questions. We need more deets.


And I also wanna know if the Mets 120-125M offer was more than the Jays were offering when it was made.



I don't buy that the Porter firing hurt the Mets in landing Springer. What? Sandy, who has decades of experience -decades, DECADES- couldn't pick up the phone and step in?

nymr83 Jan 19 2021 11:13 PM Re: George Springer

The Wilpon era ending doesnt mean we will get EVERY player the fanbase wants. If the Mets added another mid-rotation starter or even #4 innings eater (odorizzi?), some outfield help or depth, and locked up Lindor OR Conforto before Spring Training for the longterm I would call the offseason a successful enough one. If on top of that they added Bauer or upgraded 3B in meaningful way plus Brad Hand, the offseason could still be a homerun

batmagadanleadoff Jan 19 2021 11:32 PM Re: George Springer

Scott Boras represents Conforto. So if past is prologue, the Mets won't be signing Conforto before ST because Boras wants his clients to test the FA market, especially those as good as Conforto. Doesn't mean that Cohen and all of his money can't change the equation. And Conforto, as the client, has the ultimate say. TBD

Centerfield Jan 20 2021 05:24 AM Re: George Springer

=nymr83 post_id=54426 time=1611123209 user_id=54] The Wilpon era ending doesnt mean we will get EVERY player the fanbase wants. If the Mets added another mid-rotation starter or even #4 innings eater (odorizzi?), some outfield help or depth, and locked up Lindor OR Conforto before Spring Training for the longterm I would call the offseason a successful enough one. If on top of that they added Bauer or upgraded 3B in meaningful way plus Brad Hand, the offseason could still be a homerun

It was certainly reasonable to think, after getting an owner worth $14B and getting a gift of $20M to think we would get a few of the top free agents. Missing out on the big four (5 if you count Hendricks) is disappointing.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 20 2021 05:26 AM Re: George Springer

Yes. They had better lock up Conforto.

bmfc1 Jan 20 2021 06:02 AM Re: George Springer

With the richest owner in the game, we were certain that the Mets would AT LEAST one of the big 4 FAs but Cohen signed none of them. Lindor got Cano's salary so that didn't cost them anything. They're much, much better (I'm not forgetting Carrasco) and they have the $ to keep Lindor and Conforto (and deGrom has an opt-out in '22) but FA-wise, I didn't expect them to only sign 2d/3d tier FAs (May, McCann, Stroman).

RealityChuck Jan 20 2021 07:40 AM Re: George Springer

Losing Springer isn't the end of the world. The Mets need to resign Lindor and Conforto -- and they automatically get a $20 million hit next year when Cano's suspension ends. Now they have the money to go after both. Springer would be nice to have, but this isn't Rotisserie -- there are other options.

metsmarathon Jan 20 2021 07:42 AM Re: George Springer

i think that porter might've hurt only from the standpoint of springer maybe not wanting to go from one fiasco to what could have been the makings of another. i don't think it was the change in personnel, and yeah, sandy could surely get the job done if need be.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 20 2021 08:53 AM Re: George Springer

There's no shame in losing out to the Blue Jays in the Springer Sweepstakes. The Jays might even have more money than the Mets. The Jays' ownership has long acted as if they're somehow a small-market team, but the truth is they play in Canada's largest city, in a market that is huge by MLB standards. The Greater Toronto Area (GTA) has 6.4 million people, which ranks sixth among MLB markets, and not only do the Jays not have to share their city with another team — three of the top five MLB markets have two teams each — they have a whole country of over 37 million people in their broadcast area, more than half of that in their exclusive zone. The team is owned by Rogers Communications, with assets of over $29 billion, which also owns their broadcast properties. This is a large-market team with the revenue potential to spend on any player. It's about time they flexed that muscle. https://theathletic.com/2333704/2021/01/20/keith-law-blue-jays-george-springer/

duan Jan 20 2021 09:37 AM Re: George Springer

I don't know I'm not convinced that Springer for 6*25 is a great plan - I'd prefer to have Conforto locked up for that money if there's a choice to be made. There's also the clusterfuck that is not knowing about the DH and how that might have impacted their thoughts. I'm up for getting a plan b (Bradely, Almora or Cain in a trade) if it makes sense - or else if there's another ball hawky type 4th OF that they can mix and match with Conforto/Smith/Nimmo/McNeil/Davis combos I'm down with that - it wouldn't be hard to get someone 66% of the innings in CF while still keeping everyone else fresh.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 20 2021 09:47 AM Re: George Springer

I'd just like to loudly reiterate that if Lindor were a FA, he would have been #1 on the list and I don't think it would've been particularly close. And #6 on MLBTR's list this year was Stroman, so Cookie woulda been too 10, too. Trade or FA, the Mets have acquired elite talent and still have room to improve. I wanted Springer, but missing on a 6-year deal for a 31-year old CF didn't keep me awake last night. At all. #LFGM and all that jazz.

Fman99 Jan 20 2021 05:38 PM Re: George Springer

Agreed. This only makes it more likely that they can lock up Lindor and Conforto long term.

Edgy MD Jan 20 2021 07:40 PM Re: George Springer

I think I'm with duan and ABNS. I think. I like Springer, but the upgrade over Nimmo isn't that great, and with Nimmo three years younger, it's not necessarily the place to lock in. Conforto and Lindor not only need to be tied down soon, but possibly Syndergaard and Stroman, too. I think. The question is how good I can feel about another season or more going forward with Nimmo in center, Smith in left, and defensive replacement coming in to help lock down wins. I confess I may be a little attached. I feel like I raised those guys.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 20 2021 07:51 PM Re: George Springer

I was never tied to a specific guy other than the obvious need to improve RH hitting and up-the-middle defense, and to the extent we could have a reliable Cano-ish presence in the lineup. Lindor in that sense was the perfect guy. A RH hitting CF who can go get it--whoever that is--will also help but doesn;t have to be George.

Marshmallowmilkshake Jan 20 2021 08:15 PM Re: George Springer

My thoughts: 1) I think Lindor was the top prize of the offseason, and he brings more things to the table, on and off the field. I'd rather have Lindor. I hope they sign him to a long-term deal and lock him up for 10 years. 2) I don't remember if it was Cohen or Sandy, but one of them telegraphed this might be the case by saying long-term contracts for players over 30 can be problem and are not the best way to be successul long term. 3) Springer is a good fielder, certainly better than Nimmo. But it's not like he's a super defender. I've read a lot of speculation that he'd need to move to a corner before too long, and one of our best guys is already in right. So we'd need another centerfielder before too long. 4) I like that he's going to make an AL East team stronger. Torment the Yankees, please. 5) I'd love to see them lock up Conforto, but the stuff said about Boras is all true. If Syndergaard resembles his former self, I'd like to see them lock him up, too. 6) The money not spent on Springer can get a decent glove-first centerfielder, another solid bullpen guy or maybe a decent starter. 7) Bauer is a stupid tweet away from being a problem.

Edgy MD Jan 24 2021 07:59 AM Re: George Springer

The Blue Jays have long memories, and they're still pissed about that offseason the Mets raided their bullpen of both Jon Rauch and Frank Francisco.

whippoorwill Jan 25 2021 08:15 AM Re: George Springer

I've been wondering and maybe it's been asked...is this guy related?

stevejrogers Jan 25 2021 08:35 AM Re: George Springer

=whippoorwill post_id=54714 time=1611587710 user_id=79] I've been wondering and maybe it's been asked...is this guy related?

As someone that follows Johnny Big Lunch Box's profession, a descendent of his being a star baseball player would probably be discussed in circles as a nifty tidbit.

whippoorwill Jan 25 2021 09:33 AM Re: George Springer

Lol. Unless he's humble about it

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 25 2021 09:46 AM Re: George Springer

No relation to George but Springer & James McCann have a longstanding professional relationship: https://www.winsightgrocerybusiness.com/technology/catching-ceo-turned-tech-investor-james-mccann

Benjamin Grimm Jan 25 2021 09:47 AM Re: George Springer

I really doubt that George Springer is a nifty tidbit "descendant" of "Johnny Big Lunch Box". (Now that's a weird sentence!)

vtmet7 Jan 26 2021 12:56 PM Re: George Springer

I don't know if this question has been raised in this thread or elsewhere...but...When the Jays have a contract, is that in America dollars or Canadian dollars (since his employer is in Canada)? Right now, $100 Canadian is equal to about $78.76 US...So if he got paid $150 Mil Canadian, that would be about $118,130,00 US...