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Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

bmfc1 Nov 16 2020 10:40 AM

So many people I dislike including one that advocated for the murder of journalists. 6 former Mets. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em9eBj6VkAAfbUC?format=png&name=900x900>

MFS62 Nov 16 2020 12:02 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

My votes would be for guys who I feel deserve more consideration than they have received: Todd Helton Jeff Kent Manny Ramirez Omar Vizquel Billy Wagner Sammy Sosa Later

G-Fafif Nov 16 2020 12:10 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Just learned the late Marty Noble is a finalist for the Spink Award. He not only deserves it, he deserved when when he was alive.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 16 2020 12:10 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 16 2020 12:29 PM

Yeah, not a terribly likable bunch, huh. Vizquel was just wonderful. LaTroy must've been a lot better than I remember. I think I would vote for only Barry Zito on the stipulation that his induction speech is just him noodling a bunch of Phish covers on acoustic guitar.

Edgy MD Nov 16 2020 12:15 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

No offense to the rookies, but that's not a strong class of first-year guys, which leads me to conclude a swell of support for legacy candidacies, which would seemingly put juiceboxes Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds over the bar.

bmfc1 Nov 16 2020 12:24 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Bonds/Clemens/Schilling/Sosa: the upside is that we wouldn't have to hear them debated every year so all at once and it's over with. The downside, of course, is that they are Hall of Famers forever and their cheating/disgusting behavior will have been condoned in the name of their stats. Get ready for months of Andy Pettitte talk on WFAN.

metsmarathon Nov 16 2020 12:53 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

rolen, helton, jones, schilling and i guess bonds, clemens, and manny, too.

bmfc1 Nov 16 2020 02:26 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 16 2020 04:18 PM

I'd vote for Nick Swisher's wife [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JoAnna_Garcia before I voted for him. I'd vote for Kent and Wagner but you don't have to vote for anyone.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2020 02:33 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

I know I'm very opposed to Clemens and Bonds, and I'd be quite happy to see Schilling get passed over. As for the rest, I don't really know enough to have an opinion. The name "Dan Haren" is barely familiar to me.

nymr83 Nov 16 2020 05:44 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Manny Ramirez Scott Rolen Curt Schilling Sammy Sosa they'll be combining this year's inductees with last year's cancelled ceremony - the more people to share Jeter's spotlight the better. the first year guys are really bad. i didnt even think about them for a second. I'm a little torn on Andruw Jones, but he did nothing after age 29 and Kenny Lofton/Jim Edmonds aren't in as Centerfielders who had better recent careers, so no.

nymr83 Nov 16 2020 05:47 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I know I'm very opposed to Clemens and Bonds, and I'd be quite happy to see Schilling get passed over. As for the rest, I don't really know enough to have an opinion. The name "Dan Haren" is barely familiar to me. You don't remember Scott Rolen? good player for the Cardinals/Phillies and a bit of a Met-killer from what I remember

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2020 06:07 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

I do remember Scott Rolen, but I don't really have a feel for what kind of career he had.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 16 2020 06:08 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Not looking at the numbers but is Rolen legit enough to require a hard look? I wouldn't be surprised if not, but from the blue and orange standpoint he's a must before they look at and sympathy-vote Wright down wright will have every tabloid NY vote and none anywhere else.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 16 2020 06:43 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Bloody sock + 2001 DBacks + Yankee tears > sharing a stupid meme. I understand the arguments in favor Bonds and Clemens. But Manny was busted, what, twice? I don't think any of them get in.

seawolf17 Nov 17 2020 08:35 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Jeez. This ballot is lukewarm at best. Bonds, Helton, Manny, Wagner are my only votes. I could be talked into Andruw Jones, Jeff Kent, Gary Sheffield, and Sosa. Should Clemens and Schilling be there? Probably, but eff 'em. Definite no to Abreu, Buehrle, Burnett, Cuddyer, Haren, Hawkins, Hudson, Hunter, Pettitte, Aramis Ramirez, Rolen, Swisher, Victorino, Vizquel, and Zito.

seawolf17 Nov 17 2020 08:38 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

And as always, it is some serious bullshit when guys like Nick Swisher and Michael Cuddyer get on the ballot and Edgardo Alfonzo never did.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2020 08:44 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Edgardo Alfonzo never did?

Edgy MD Nov 17 2020 08:55 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Omar V. may be a definite no, but in another era, he might well be a lot of folks' definite yes. Eleven Gold Gloves at a premium position was serious enough that little more than a glance was necessary to review the offensive numbers. He could fall off the ballot after one vote, but he'll probably get in 20-25 years later through some iteration of the Veterans Committee. Most of his comps (which aren't adjusted for era, of course) are in, and the others have either gotten serious consideration or will be getting such. The Rabbit Maranville Club — bunch of great bunters, they are. A sub-.700 OPS is still a sub-.700 OPS, of course.

nymr83 Nov 17 2020 08:58 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Not looking at the numbers but is Rolen legit enough to require a hard look? I wouldn't be surprised if not, but from the blue and orange standpoint he's a must before they look at and sympathy-vote Wright down wright will have every tabloid NY vote and none anywhere else. he is legit and if you are just looking a offensive numbers you are missing that he was one of the great defensive thirdbasemen

G-Fafif Dec 08 2020 12:54 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Just learned the late Marty Noble is a finalist for the Spink Award. He not only deserves it, he deserved when when he was alive. https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1336331204686008321?s=21

kcmets Dec 08 2020 01:40 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

How can Marty Noble not be in? More bull bleep, different year. Its as bad as that yearly Cleveland OH nonsense. Feh!!

G-Fafif Dec 08 2020 01:46 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

From the BBWAA site: Kaegel received 183 votes from the 374 ballots, including three blanks, cast by BBWAA members with 10 or more consecutive years' service in becoming the 72nd winner of the award since its inception in 1962 and named for the first recipient. Spink was a driving force of The Sporting News, known during his lifetime as the “Baseball Bible.” The late Marty Noble, a staple of New York press boxes for more than four decades, received 115 votes. Allan Simpson, the former minor-league executive who founded the influential publication Baseball America, got 73. We could clearly use a little New York bias up in here.

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 08 2020 03:08 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

=G-Fafif post_id=51871 time=1607460383 user_id=55] From the BBWAA site: Kaegel received 183 votes from the 374 ballots, including three blanks, cast by BBWAA members with 10 or more consecutive years' service in becoming the 72nd winner of the award since its inception in 1962 and named for the first recipient. Spink was a driving force of The Sporting News, known during his lifetime as the “Baseball Bible.” The late Marty Noble, a staple of New York press boxes for more than four decades, received 115 votes. Allan Simpson, the former minor-league executive who founded the influential publication Baseball America, got 73. We could clearly use a little New York bias up in here.

Who are the knuckleheads turning in blank ballots, and why? Protest votes?

G-Fafif Dec 09 2020 12:48 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Well deserved, I think. Baseball Al Michael's was superb Al Michael's. https://twitter.com/baseballhall/status/1336759165960720384?s=21

MFS62 Jan 26 2021 02:30 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Bump! Tick Tock. The announcement is scheduled for later today, and some stories say nobody will be elected this year. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30703934/2021-baseball-hall-fame Later

Frayed Knot Jan 26 2021 02:49 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

=MFS62 post_id=54853 time=1611696620 user_id=60]... some stories say nobody will be elected this year.

Don't want anyone else to spoil Jeter's day.

MFS62 Jan 26 2021 04:30 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Nobody will be spoiling his day (rats!). Later

G-Fafif Jan 26 2021 04:32 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Larry Walker, Ted Simmons and, if they choose to participate, the heirs of Marvin Miller will elbow in on Jeterfest ‘21. Fuck Schilling. Good.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 26 2021 04:49 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Schilling already throwing a tantrum. Yeah, fuck that guy.

G-Fafif Jan 26 2021 04:53 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

This is Schilling's tantrum, which he posted to Facebook: I want to share with everyone the letter I wrote to the folks at the Hall of Fame yesterday. They've been otherworldly kind and gracious in every way possible and I'll be forever grateful to them and for that. This was written privately and for their eyes only but I have always been fine with anyone knowing how I feel and what I think. “Hey guys. Couple things. First off I am not sure I can express my level of gratitude and sincere appreciation at the graciousness, kindness and desire on all your parts to help me navigate this process. I can say at this point I am mentally done. I know math and I know trends and I know I will not attain the 75% threshold for induction. As I've stated often over the past years to those I've spoken with in my heart I am at peace. Nothing, zero, none of the claims being made by any of the writers hold merit. In my 22 years playing professional baseball in the most culturally diverse locker rooms in sports I've never said or acted in any capacity other than being a good teammate. I've certainly been exposed to racism and sexism and homophobia as it's part of who human beings are. I've played with and talked with gay teammates. I've played with wife beaters, adulterers, assaulted, drug addicts and alcoholics. I've never hit a woman, driven drunk, done drugs, PEDs or otherwise, assaulted anyone or committed any sort of crime. But I'm now somehow in a conversation with two men who cheated, and instead of being accountable they chose to destroy others lives to protect their lie. I will always have one thing they will forever chase. A legacy. Whatever mine is as a player it will be the truth, and one I earned for better or worse. Having said all that the media has created a Curt Schilling that does not and has never existed. It's one of the things that has allowed me to sleep at night. Not an ounce of that is to absolve myself of sin, Lord knows I've committed my share and will do so again. Never malicious, never to willfully or intentionally hurt another person. I was 100% accountable and still am. Even the thought of responding to claims of “nazi” or “racist” or any other term so watered down and rendered meaningless by spineless cowards who have never met me makes me ill. In modern times responding to such drivel somehow validates the claim. My love of this country has always been worn on my sleeve. My desire to do the right thing and be a good person has driven most of my life choices. I stood at my locker 400+ times after my starts and took every question and answered honestly. Those people who stood there asking the questions KNOW what they are claiming is untrue yet they quote, re-quote and link to one another story after story that began as lies and grew into bigger ones. The game has made it clear it does not want me back and that's fine, the game owes me exactly nothing. It gave a billion more times than it took and I'll forever be deeply in debt to it. My desire to work with and teach young men the art of pitching will be tucked away. But as I watch my wife battle cancer and go through the grueling soul crushing process of chemotherapy and see her hurt every time some idiot writes another hit piece linking to other hit pieces, none rooted in any sort of truth but rather story after story of “what he meant was” and “what he's saying is” and “that's a dog whistle for” all the while providing zero actual acts or quotes of the claims being made I can't help but to go into deep conversation with my father. “Never live your life trying to impress people you don't know, or who don't know you” and what that means in todays world. Being an aspie has allowed it to flow like water off a ducks back. But to see the hurt I'm causing my wife and to have my children read and hear this stuff and then look at me and try and match a public “image” that in no way aligns with the man their father is , has been something I never considered. I do not and never will “scoreboard” the cowards but if I'm not mistaken only Jamie Moyer and I “swept” the humanitarian awards players can win. Awards meant to define who the true man is apart from the player. These same writers voted on those awards. Do those awards and 22 years absent of a single validating event to support their claims define me? Or does a “what he meant to say” tweet? Based on the vote and the pike of dung authored by morally decrepit men like Dan Shaughnessy it's the latter. I cannot and will not say or do anything to possibly soften a weak willed mans opinion of me if it is not something I believe. Just or not. I've chosen Arizona as the team I would have represented if I had been inducted and even though I heard someone there is calling for the DBacks front office to “meet” should the induction happen I'll stand with that decision as I know Mr Kendrick to be an honorable and kind man. Should that change it most certainly would be the Phillies. What Mr Henry and Mr Werner did to my family and I in my final year has been forgiven but will never be forgotten. One thing this text certifies is that I talk way too much but I know I was never a yes/no answer guy. I apologize for the insane length of this but I guess I needed an outlet and I sure as hell don't want to dump any of this on a woman who just ended her 3rd chemo and provides the reasons I eat sleep and breathe everyday. Why the text? If by some miracle this would happen I have zero interest in taking questions from the very group who lined up to destroy my character with no regard to anyone in my life or being held to account for their lies. I would and will talk with the guys on the MLB network if you want that, but no one else. I wanted to reiterate this final point. I will not participate in the final year of voting. I am requesting to be removed from the ballot. I'll defer to the veterans committee and men whose opinions actually matter and who are in a position to actually judge a player. I don't think I'm a hall of famer as I've often stated but if former players think I am then I'll accept that with honor. Again, I won't be able to thank you for your kindness and sincere interest in this process as it pertains to me. I'll be forever grateful. God Bless you all again and one more time a final thank you for all your efforts to help my family and I.

Frayed Knot Jan 26 2021 05:47 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

That doesn't read like a tantrum to me.

Edgy MD Jan 26 2021 08:01 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

It reads as a lot of things, but I wouldn't call tantrum one of them. Sounds like he's kind of leaning into one, but ...

nymr83 Jan 26 2021 08:47 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

I thought Schilling was a surer HOFer, but hey, if he doesn't want in, screw him. next! Nice to see the underrated Rolen moving up and Andruw Jones had a huge leap in the vote % this year. Next year should be interesting - Alex Rodriguez is a bigger cheater than Bonds/Clemens i that he got caught and suspended after testing started, does he get shunned like Manny Ramirez has? David Ortiz is a shoe-in, right? Mark Texiera should get a long look. a few interesting careers eligible for the first time - Tim Lincecum was amazing for a few years before fallingg apart, Scott Kazmir's name still makes us cringe, Prince Fielder and Jimmy Rollins?

Edgy MD Jan 26 2021 08:57 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Think how much it's shooting yourself in the foot to come in first place among all candidates, just short of the induction threshold, reaching a percentage that has meant eventual induction for everybody who has ever gotten as high, and publicly declaring that (a) you quit, and (b) you personally don't think you're a Hall-of-Famer anyhow. That's a guy who makes his agent hit his head against the wall a LOT.

LWFS Jan 26 2021 10:01 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

"I'm not a guy to make excuses, or denigrate others, or seek exoneration from people who never played the game. Now here's several dozen sentences of excuses, passive-aggressive blame of others, and mitigation. By the way, I've got Asperger's (?) and my wife has cancer, and while that doesn't ennoble me, let me mention her four more times in the course of this letter just in case it kindasorta does." This is meant to be an honorable, face-saving withdrawal. It's casting blame without actually saying, "You're at fault." It's disingenuously, vaguely admitting trespasses without actually admitting to any actual, specific trespasses. It's a non-apology apology. It's bombast in the cloak of dignity. It's a slick little self-encomium. It's "My Way," only marginally politer. And I don't know about you, friends... but I fucking hate "My Way." And it's "my family and ME," you seditious blowhard, you swollen pink human tumor.

G-Fafif Jan 26 2021 10:25 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

https://twitter.com/ithrow88/status/1354219811585150977?s=21

Edgy MD Jan 26 2021 10:35 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

"I'm not a guy to make excuses, or denigrate others, or seek exoneration from people who never played the game. Now here's several dozen sentences of excuses, passive-aggressive blame of others, and mitigation. By the way, I've got Asperger's (?) and my wife has cancer, and while that doesn't ennoble me, let me mention her four more times in the course of this letter just in case it kindasorta does." This is meant to be an honorable, face-saving withdrawal. It's casting blame without actually saying, "You're at fault." It's disingenuously, vaguely admitting trespasses without actually admitting to any actual, specific trespasses. It's a non-apology apology. It's bombast in the cloak of dignity. It's a slick little self-encomium. It's "My Way," only marginally politer. And I don't know about you, friends... but I fucking hate "My Way." And it's "my family and ME," you seditious blowhard, you swollen pink human tumor. "Never try and impress the people you don't know," my father told me. Now here are the awards I've won, whoever you are.

Edgy MD Jan 26 2021 10:38 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

I don't think I'm a Hall of Famer, but I've chosen Arizona to be the team I represent when I go into the Hall of Fame. What. The. Fuck?

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 27 2021 07:24 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

I'm not a Hall of Famer and writers suck, therefore the 71% of you who supported my candidacy suck

A Boy Named Seo Jan 27 2021 08:06 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Yeah I love how he starts off saying the Hall of Fame folks have been "kind and generous" and it ends with but your opinions don't matter and you don't know how to judge a player. Get fucked, Curt.

kcmets Jan 27 2021 08:20 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

I can't do it here, porque es verboten, but changing the r in Curt to an n works...

Edgy MD Jan 27 2021 09:00 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

That open letter of his is sure to be a first ballot unanimous selection for The Humblebragging Hall of Fame, so we're not looking at a total loss.

TransMonk Jan 27 2021 09:36 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 27 2021 12:45 PM

*avi wuz here

Frayed Knot Jan 27 2021 09:51 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Yeah I love how he starts off saying the Hall of Fame folks have been "kind and generous" and it ends with but your opinions don't matter and you don't know how to judge a player. Well his "kind and generous" is directed towards those who run the HoF. His issue is with those writers/gatekeepers whom he feels have slandered him or otherwise done him wrong.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 27 2021 10:10 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Frayed Knot wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: Yeah I love how he starts off saying the Hall of Fame folks have been "kind and generous" and it ends with but your opinions don't matter and you don't know how to judge a player. Well his "kind and generous" is directed towards those who run the HoF. His issue is with those writers/gatekeepers whom he feels have slandered him or otherwise done him wrong. That's fine. He's still as much full of contradictions as he is full of shit, and is trying to act he doesn't want to be in the HOF because the HOF is about to reject him. His ego is as fragile as his idol's.

Edgy MD Jan 27 2021 10:17 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

I just don't get how these guys don't have publicists and agents who say, "Run that shit by me before you do anything." Mentally, I find myself awake at night rephrasing their statements and communiques all the time, trying desperately to mentally walk back their bullshit. It's like I once dreamed of being a big league player, and now I dream of talking for one.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 27 2021 11:29 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

This really reads like an already composed acceptance message that was edited upon realizing he'd fall short

Edgy MD Jan 27 2021 12:24 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Dear Curt, Please tear up that statement you wrote. You'll thank us tomorrow. The firm has prepared the following. "A lot of people have contacted me following the recent release of the final tallies in the Hall of Fame voting. I just want to say how humbled I am that 71% of the electorate felt my career was worthy of such a singular honor, according to their necessarily high standards. To see my name atop such an esteemed field of candidates, including colleagues and friends, means the world to myself and my family, whether I'm ultimately invited into that special club or not. Either way, my career has been a blessing." "I want to thank my fans for the support they've shown, and especially congratulate Derek Jeter, Larry Walker, Ted Simmons, and the late Marvin Miller, whose legacies in this game will be felt through the ages. I look forward to induction weekend where I will be cheering for those guys as loudly as anybody." If you could bother to show twenty-five cents worth of graciousness, they'd elect you in a minute, and the legacy of your career would continue to enrich your family for decades. Trust us on this. Don't be a numbnuts. Sincerely, Crane, Poole, & Associates Publicists, Public Relations

Frayed Knot Jan 27 2021 12:28 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: Yeah I love how he starts off saying the Hall of Fame folks have been "kind and generous" and it ends with but your opinions don't matter and you don't know how to judge a player. Well his "kind and generous" is directed towards those who run the HoF. His issue is with those writers/gatekeepers whom he feels have slandered him or otherwise done him wrong. That's fine. He's still as much full of contradictions as he is full of shit, and is trying to act he doesn't want to be in the HOF because the HOF is about to reject him. His ego is as fragile as his idol's. And I'm certainly not defending the overall content of the piece, or of Shilling himself, merely trying to make distinctions about it. He's not pissed at the HoF itself but the writers who vote, although I have no idea what percentage of the 29 percent who didn't vote for him are doing so based on his politics which appears to be his main point even as he throws everything including the kitchen sink at the entire group. The only writer specifically mention is Shaughnessy and I have no idea as to the source or extent of their feud. So he's trying the tactic where he doesn't even give them one final shot at rejecting him next year which will leave any future yea/nay vote to 'real men' who actually know something about baseball, namely those on various veterans committees. I have no idea if that will go any better for him or not.

metsmarathon Jan 27 2021 12:31 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

man, it's too bad he's such an a-hole, because the player really oughtta be in already. I was poking around on fangraphs earlier today, and you could readily say that, well, schilling at his best was better than kershaw at his best, and theres no doubt about kershaw. schilling also has a better career than verlander, who should eventually get in with ease, and grienke, who should also get some fairly healthy consideration. and that's without looking at any bloody socks or postseason performance numbers. i think that many of the voters that are out there trying to say he wasn't that good are in danger of straining their credibility. especially if they lean too heavily into it, and start complaining about win totals. i mean, you can set your standards as loftily as you like, but if they're so high that schilling-the-player cannot clear them, you're gonna have a hell of a time electing anybody in the coming years.

Edgy MD Jan 27 2021 12:31 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Frayed Knot wrote: So he's trying the tactic where he doesn't even give them one final shot at rejecting him next year which will leave any future yea/nay vote to 'real men' who actually know something about baseball, namely those on various veterans committees. I have no idea if that will go any better for him or not. Now and then I wonder who the real men are.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 27 2021 12:42 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

I mean, when you make "jokes" about killing journalists (amongst other abhorrent shit he's said), the journalists voting on you may not have any trouble weighting "character" a little more.

metsmarathon Jan 27 2021 12:49 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

i really wish the voters would elect a guy based primarily on his character, to show that it really is a meaningful criteria, and not simply a convenient escape clause.

MFS62 Jan 27 2021 12:57 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

=metsmarathon post_id=54936 time=1611776958 user_id=83] i really wish the voters would elect a guy based primarily on his character, to show that it really is a meaningful criteria, and not simply a convenient escape clause.

Bob Uecker was a character.

Later

TransMonk Jan 27 2021 01:02 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

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G-Fafif Jun 09 2021 02:16 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Everybody run outside and venerate Derek Jeter and others in Cooperstown in September. Jane Forbes Clark, Chairman of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum, announced today that this summer's Induction Ceremony will take place at 1:30 p.m. ET on Wednesday, Sept. 8 in front of limited crowds as an outdoor ticketed event on the grounds of the Clark Sports Center. The Induction Ceremony will be broadcast live exclusively on MLB Network. Planning continues to be adapted to guidelines set forth by the Centers for Disease Control and the State of New York. “On behalf of our Board of Directors and our Staff, we are thrilled to be able to welcome our Hall of Famers – the living legends – and fans back to Cooperstown to celebrate the Induction of the Class of 2020,” Clark said. “Returning the Induction Ceremony to an outdoor event will provide the baseball community with the opportunity to visit Cooperstown and celebrate the Induction of four of the game's Greats.” The Hall of Fame's 2021 Induction Ceremony will honor the members of the Class of 2020: Derek Jeter, Marvin Miller, Ted Simmons and Larry Walker. No candidates were elected for Induction in 2021. Lawn seating at the Induction Ceremony will be free, but unlike past years when seating was open, tickets will be required. Beginning at 11 a.m. ET on Monday, July 12, a limited number of tickets will be made available to fans exclusively here. At this time, seating areas will be designated for vaccinated and unvaccinated ticket holders. The Hall of Fame's Annual Awards Presentation will remain an indoor, television-only event, taking place on Saturday, July 24, with the Award Winners or their representatives being invited back to Cooperstown to be recognized at the Induction Ceremony. The Awards Presentation will honor 2021 Ford C. Frick Award winner for broadcasting excellence, Al Michaels, and the 2020 Frick Award winner, Ken Harrelson; the 2021 Baseball Writers' Association of America Career Excellence Award winner, Dick Kaegel, and the 2020 BBWAA Career Excellence Award winner, Nick Cafardo; and the 2020 Buck O'Neil Lifetime Achievement Award winner, David Montgomery. https://baseballhall.org/news/induction-ceremony-shifts-to-september-8

MFS62 Jun 09 2021 03:15 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

=G-Fafif post_id=67390 time=1623269760 user_id=55] Everybody run outside and venerate ... the 2020 Frick Award winner, Ken Harrelson;

He'll understand if his fans have to sit a duck snort away from the dais.



Later

Lefty Specialist Jun 09 2021 03:43 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Harrelson was quite possibly the worst baseball announcer ever. I'd give the award to Steve Gelbs before him.

Edgy MD Jun 09 2021 03:46 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Unfortunately, the announcer awards are far more a product of longevity and brand than some source of objective quality. =metsmarathon post_id=54936 time=1611776958 user_id=83] i really wish the voters would elect a guy based primarily on his character, to show that it really is a meaningful criteria, and not simply a convenient escape clause.

Well, there's no reason considering it as a factor should mean that one has to consider it a primary factor.

MFS62 Jun 09 2021 03:56 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: Unfortunately, the announcer awards are far more a product of longevity and brand than some source of objective quality. i really wish the voters would elect a guy based primarily on his character, to show that it really is a meaningful criteria, and not simply a convenient escape clause. Well, there's no reason considering it as a factor should mean that one has to consider it a primary factor. It almost kept Eddie Murray out and is possibly the only thing that kept Albert Belle out. The were "guilty" of the same thing - they pissed off the reporters covering their team. Later

Edgy MD Jun 09 2021 04:03 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Eddie Murray had over 3,000 hits and over 500 homeruns. He had three Gold Gloves, three Silver Sluggers, and was elected to the Hall of Fame on his first ballot with over 85% of the vote. I'm not sure how we got to him.

MFS62 Jun 09 2021 05:14 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: Eddie Murray had over 3,000 hits and over 500 homeruns. He had three Gold Gloves, three Silver Sluggers, and was elected to the Hall of Fame on his first ballot with over 85% of the vote. I'm not sure how we got to him. In the five years leading up to his election, there were many stories about how reporters perceived his demeanor post-game (being curt with reporters, or refusing to be interviewed) and how it might keep some writers from voting for him. I use him as an example of how character was mentioned as a factor. But as you said, it didn't become the only factor. Later

Edgy MD Jun 09 2021 05:54 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

I'll take your word for it with regard to stories, but it appears not to have been a measurable negative factor at all. Albert Belle's was another case entirely.

G-Fafif Sep 08 2021 10:15 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

It's HOF Day. Congratulations to all inductees except one.

Marshmallowmilkshake Sep 08 2021 10:41 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Mike Vaccaro's Jeter column is awful. [url]https://nypost.com/2021/09/08/baseball-hall-of-fame-derek-jeter-will-be-picture-of-calm/ Ian O'Connor's is ... embarrassing. [url]https://nypost.com/2021/09/03/derek-jeter-proved-he-had-the-grit-to-be-great-during-year-in-greensboro/ Greensboro is where Jeter first proved he could successfully impose his will on almost anything. As a ballplayer, Greensboro is where Jeter made the transition from boyhood to manhood. Jeter could thrill the crowd with his athleticism, and make the jump throw in the hole that would become his signature play, and then three minutes later field a routine grounder and launch an inexplicably wayward throw. Sensing that his friend was destined to be moved to a different position, Long sat down Jeter in a diner and advised him to prepare for a switch to the outfield. Jeter shot him a look that would become familiar years later to anyone who doubted him or (God forbid) crossed him. “I'm never moving from shortstop,” Jeter told Long. “It's never going to happen. Never.”

MFS62 Sep 08 2021 10:45 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=76908 time=1631119295 user_id=119] Sensing that his friend was destined to be moved to a different position, Long sat down Jeter in a diner and advised him to prepare for a switch to the outfield. Jeter shot him a look that would become familiar years later to anyone who doubted him or (God forbid) crossed him. “I'm never moving from shortstop,” Jeter told Long. “It's never going to happen. Never.”

Even when his team got a much better one - A-Rod.



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Edgy MD Sep 08 2021 11:36 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

"Greensboro is where Jeter first proved he could successfully impose his will on almost anything." “I'm never moving from shortstop,” Jeter told Long. “It's never going to happen. Never.” Imagine being covered the way Derek Jeter is. Folks that aren't even on your payroll openly list your ugliest and most selfish traits and insist to a credulous readership that they are virtues.

MFS62 Sep 08 2021 11:41 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: "Greensboro is where Jeter first proved he could successfully impose his will on almost anything." “I'm never moving from shortstop,” Jeter told Long. “It's never going to happen. Never.” Imagine being covered the way Derek Jeter is. Folks that aren't even on your payroll openly list your ugliest and most selfish traits and insist to a credulous readership that they are virtues. Anyone who has watched FOX News is used to it. Later

Edgy MD Sep 08 2021 11:42 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Yeah, but I'm not trying to present the idea of watching it.

bmfc1 Sep 08 2021 11:43 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

My barber posted a picture on Facebook from Cooperstown with the caption "Waiting for Jeter". He's cut my hair for over 30 years but I'm not sure if I can still trust him.

G-Fafif Sep 08 2021 12:23 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Video shown at ceremonies remembering the HOFers lost in 2020 and 2021. Well done. [youtube]GS_VBkg4t2Q[/youtube]

G-Fafif Sep 08 2021 12:35 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Keith narrates for Ted Simmons. Perhaps Simmons can return the favor someday. [tweet]https://twitter.com/mlbnetwork/status/1435672091643285504[/tweet]

Edgy MD Sep 08 2021 02:57 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Keith's got a little frog going in his voice. It's almost unrecognizable during the first section, but it adds gravity to his testimony.

Frayed Knot Sep 08 2021 04:01 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

One would think Jeter would have shaved for the occasion.

nymr83 Sep 09 2021 11:43 AM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Frayed Knot wrote: One would think Jeter would have shaved for the occasion. Did he hand out gift baskets?

Edgy MD Sep 09 2021 05:47 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Simmons looked like quite the veteran British rocker, like he could take over on skins for the Rolling Stones. https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/5c/35c0541b-55c2-5587-a0e7-8e8afe6bffbd/6137592f73bd4.image.jpg?crop=975%2C608%2C19%2C18>

Frayed Knot Sep 09 2021 07:00 PM Re: Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

Jeter, in conjunction with MLB, is taking bids for game-used memorabilia as well as offering other for-purchase merchandise. Not sure if there were come-ons for this stuff interjected into his speech.