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Cano Suspended for 2021

G-Fafif Nov 18 2020 01:33 PM

https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1329159458786828289?s=21

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 18 2020 01:34 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Least surprising news ever

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 18 2020 01:35 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Solves our infield logjam!

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2020 01:36 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2020 01:37 PM

I [CROSSOUT]wonder if[/CROSSOUT] hope that the Mets can use this incident to void the entire remainder of his contract

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2020 01:36 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=50922 time=1605731760 user_id=68] I [CROSSOUT]wonder if[/CROSSOUT] hope that the Mets can use this incident to void the entire remainder of his contract

This Kellenic trade is looking better by the day.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 18 2020 01:38 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Please keep using for 3 more years, Robby

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2020 01:39 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2020 01:41 PM

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Solves our infield logjam! Yes! Also explains why Cano was so good in 2020.

Gwreck Nov 18 2020 01:41 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Maybe now everyone will realize that trading for 36 year old players coming off PED suspensions is a bad idea. What's that, you say? Smart people already knew that before the trade occurred?

G-Fafif Nov 18 2020 01:41 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Van Wagenen's gotta go.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 18 2020 01:42 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

But seriously the Mets have gotten "lucky" with gargantuan salaries making themselves disappear the last two seasons.

bmfc1 Nov 18 2020 01:43 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

There's now a permanent home for Jeff McNeil (unless they want to go after D.J. LeMahieu) and J.D. Davis becomes more important (and less of a trade piece). Steve doesn't need the $ but they save $24M in salary, too. Thanks so much, Brodie. Kelenick + Dunn for a RP that killed the Mets in '19 and Cano (2 more years beyond '20) looks better and better. Can they double-fire Brodie?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2020 01:44 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Maybe now everyone will realize that trading for 36 year old players coming off PED suspensions is a bad idea. What's that, you say? Smart people already knew that before the trade occurred? The whole thing was a harebrained scheme motivated by desperation -- the Wilpons' desperation to make a last "win now" stand, knowing their days as owners were numbered. That's probably how BVW got the job, by playing to the Wilpons hopes that the Mets were no more than that season away from a title.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2020 01:48 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

If Trump owned the Mets, he'd blame this incident on the Mariners and try to void the trade and get Kellenic back.

MFS62 Nov 18 2020 01:53 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

=bmfc1 post_id=50929 time=1605732204 user_id=73] Can they double-fire Brodie?

They should tattoo that trade on his forehead, so any prospective employer will know what they're getting. (A tattoo like that would most likely get him kicked out of his country club, too. Oh, the shame!)



Later

Benjamin Grimm Nov 18 2020 01:55 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Do the Mets now consider someone like Kolten Wong? Or do they fill the position internally with McNeil or Gimenez? I wish they had a GM (I assume Sandy is acting in the role for now) and a decision on whether or not there will be a DH.

Centerfield Nov 18 2020 01:55 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

This is good news yes? McNeil moves back to 2B full time. The lineup becomes less left-handed. Steve/Sandy have an extra $20 million to play with. One of the candidates for DH is off the table for 2021.

Centerfield Nov 18 2020 01:59 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Do the Mets now consider someone like Kolten Wong? Or do they fill the position internally with McNeil or Gimenez? I wish they had a GM (I assume Sandy is acting in the role for now) and a decision on whether or not there will be a DH. Sign Springer. Trade Davis/Gimenez for Lindor. Trade a low-level prospect to Colorado and take the Arenado contract off their hands. 1. Lindor - SS 2. Springer - CF 3. Smith - 1B 4. Arenado - 3B 5. Conforto - RF 6. Alonso - DH 7. McNeil - 2B 8. Nimmo - LF 9. Who Cares - C

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2020 02:08 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

=Centerfield post_id=50935 time=1605733144 user_id=65] 1. Lindor - SS 2. Springer - CF 3. Smith - 1B 4. Arenado - 3B 5. Conforto - RF 6. Alonso - DH 7. McNeil - 2B 8. Nimmo - LF 9. Who Cares - C

That's a championship lineup right there! The most awesome 6-7-8 in franchise history!

MFS62 Nov 18 2020 02:20 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Centerfield for General Manager! Later

nymr83 Nov 18 2020 02:24 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=50931 time=1605732495 user_id=68] If Trump owned the Mets, he'd blame this incident on the Mariners and try to void the trade and get Kellenic back.

If he succeeded in that, even you'd love him for it.

Frayed Knot Nov 18 2020 02:28 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

I [CROSSOUT]wonder if[/CROSSOUT] hope that the Mets can use this incident to void the entire remainder of his contract Don't think there's ever been a case of this happening. The Yanx made noise about trying to do that when Giambi "apologized" (without ever saying what he was apologizing for) and was coming off a suck/injured season with a whole lotta money still due. They got nowhere with it and then never brought it up again after his hitting returned to form. The whole testing/punishment rules were collectively bargained and I can't believe that the union would ever agree to even the possibility of allowing teams to use a positive test as a way to negate contracts and earnings beyond the stipulated length of suspension. IIRC, Cano will even continue to accumulate ML service time during his suspension. Not that service time will matter in his case but punishment on top of the punishment isn't something at the club's discretion.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 18 2020 02:32 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

I don't understand why a guy in his position takes this chance. I can't condone, but understand the temptation, for the guys who are on the cusp of getting that one huge contract and being set financially for life. But Cano already had the contract and borderline Hall of Fame numbers. Now he's out $24 mill, loses a season to add to the counting stats and pretty much kills any Hall chances he had anyway. Plus, he already got popped once. Did he think he wouldn't get caught a second time?

Frayed Knot Nov 18 2020 02:36 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

If Trump owned the Mets, he'd blame this incident on the Mariners and try to void the trade and get Kellenic back. If he succeeded in that, even you'd love him for it. That's what Steinbrenner used to try and pull. He'd trade for some guy, not like his first outing or two, claim the other team withheld injury information from him, petition the commish's office to void the deal, and then denounce the commish as "Anti-Yanqui" when he wouldn't listen. btw, Trump & Steiny are so much alike it's almost surprising they weren't biological twins. They were pals to a certain extent and there's no doubt that if ol' George were still around he'd be the Trump-iest supporter out there and would probably (again) pressure his employees to donate their money and then force them to lie about it if an investigation came up. That (in the closing days of the Nixon era) was what got him his first suspension from the game.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2020 02:43 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021 Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2020 02:59 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: I [CROSSOUT]wonder if[/CROSSOUT] hope that the Mets can use this incident to void the entire remainder of his contract Don't think there's ever been a case of this happening. The Yanx made noise about trying to do that when Giambi "apologized" (without ever saying what he was apologizing for) and was coming off a suck/injured season with a whole lotta money still due. They got nowhere with it and then never brought it up again after his hitting returned to form. The whole testing/punishment rules were collectively bargained and I can't believe that the union would ever agree to even the possibility of allowing teams to use a positive test as a way to negate contracts and earnings beyond the stipulated length of suspension. IIRC, Cano will even continue to accumulate ML service time during his suspension. Not that service time will matter in his case but punishment on top of the punishment isn't something at the club's discretion. I'm not aware of the history regarding such a potential move. And if this scenario was specifically contemplated and then prohibited in the CBA, then that's that -- the issue's settled. (I don't actually know what''s in the CBA about this, either). But beyond these possible obstacles, I think that, win or lose, the argument to void the entire remainder of the contract would be a valid one and not frivolous.

metsmarathon Nov 18 2020 02:47 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

jeez, what a stupid, stupid thing to've done. but yeah, it does help to alleviate some of our logjams for this year at least. next year, well.... we'll deal with that next year.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 18 2020 03:13 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

I guess if the 2021 season has fewer than 162 games on its schedule, the suspension can extend into 2022?

A Boy Named Seo Nov 18 2020 03:14 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

=metsmarathon post_id=50945 time=1605736046 user_id=83] jeez, what a stupid, stupid thing to've done. but yeah, it does help to alleviate some of our logjams for this year at least. next year, well.... we'll deal with that next year.

Well his suspension is for 162 games not for one season, so depending on vaccines and civil wars, etc., his suspension could potentially extend into 2022. Wouldn't that be awesome.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 18 2020 03:15 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I guess if the 2021 season has fewer than 162 games on its schedule, the suspension can extend into 2022? Yepp, exactly. Fingers crossed!

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2020 03:18 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I guess if the 2021 season has fewer than 162 games on its schedule, the suspension can extend into 2022? Yepp, exactly. Fingers crossed! Fingers crossed for what? Another 60 game season?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 18 2020 03:53 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Yeah, I'd rather have a 162-game season and Cano back on Opening Day 2022. Cohen can eat his contract anyway. Cano is no longer the albatross he had been.

G-Fafif Nov 18 2020 03:56 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Not all suspensions looming over an upcoming season are created equal. https://twitter.com/metslineups/status/1326766166963085313?s=21

bmfc1 Nov 18 2020 03:58 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

The Wilpons would have gleefully (think Montgomery Burns) recouped the $20M and maybe spent half of that on a Jason Vargas-type. Guillorme/Davis as a 3B platoon is now merely the fallback and that doesn't sound too bad to me.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 18 2020 03:59 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Yeah I'd rather a full season, but if we did have a 100-game season this year and Cano was missing 62 more in 2022, and a third of his bloated salary, well I wouldn't be mad about it.

MFS62 Nov 18 2020 04:41 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Who did he think he was fooling and how long did he think he could continue doing it? You can't cure stupid. Later

smg58 Nov 18 2020 05:46 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Addition by subtraction. In this market, that $20M goes a lot farther than a guy who hasn't produced an .800 OPS over more than 400 ABs since 2015 and is a defensive liability. I wasn't even thinking about LeMahieu, but I am now. I agree with marshmallow that it's just dumb for somebody in Cano's position to do something that cost him a large amount of money in an existing contract when he's probably not getting another one anyway.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 18 2020 05:56 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Maybe he was trying to improve his chances of getting 3,000 hits?

Lefty Specialist Nov 18 2020 05:58 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Best news I've heard all day. Logjam less loggy. I'm betting Cano has played his last game as a Met.

Frayed Knot Nov 18 2020 07:14 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

If nothing else, this brings at least the possibility of D J LeMahieu into the picture.

Centerfield Nov 18 2020 07:29 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

One final note. As good as this is for the Mets, I will miss the aesthetics of watching Cano play. The smoothest player we've had since Beltran. Turned the double play so seamlessly. Ridiculously talented player.

G-Fafif Nov 18 2020 08:33 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Cano won't play second and Cohen won't play coy. https://twitter.com/stevenacohen2/status/1329259849637621761?s=21

Edgy MD Nov 18 2020 09:00 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Frayed Knot wrote: The Yanx made noise about trying to do that when Giambi "apologized" (without ever saying what he was apologizing for) ... He was apologizing for creating a distraction. I mean, duh.

Edgy MD Nov 18 2020 09:43 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

This is so very like stories of new CEOs taking over a company, and trying to put a new face on everything and turn over a new leaf, but they don't know what the old guy left to break until it breaks. It's like Bob Iger replacing Michael Eisner and only then realizing what a clusterfuck the new theme park builds were. Or it's a lot like what President-Elect Biden's life is going to be like in two months.

Fman99 Nov 19 2020 06:39 AM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

One final note. As good as this is for the Mets, I will miss the aesthetics of watching Cano play. The smoothest player we've had since Beltran. Turned the double play so seamlessly. Ridiculously talented player. Enjoyed watching him hit, also, when he was plugged in, he really could stroke a ball and find the hole. Of course I think the many repeated nagging injuries is a sign of someone who's using el dopa to keep their body from coming apart like the car at the end of the Blues Brothers movie. [youtube]QfN1GRqKXpM[/youtube]

LWFS Nov 19 2020 08:26 AM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Do the Mets now consider someone like Kolten Wong? Or do they fill the position internally with McNeil or Gimenez? I wish they had a GM (I assume Sandy is acting in the role for now) and a decision on whether or not there will be a DH. Sign Springer. Trade Davis/Gimenez for Lindor. Trade a low-level prospect to Colorado and take the Arenado contract off their hands. 1. Lindor - SS 2. Springer - CF 3. Smith - 1B 4. Arenado - 3B 5. Conforto - RF 6. Alonso - DH 7. McNeil - 2B 8. Nimmo - LF 9. Who Cares - C This is... um... pretty, um... I'm sorry, but I can't stop drooling on my erection. So, Brodie-grumbling aside... this feels almost as good to hear as the Cohen buy being finalized. Talk about a positive test, amirite, folks?

A Boy Named Seo Nov 19 2020 12:11 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Commentary from one of baseball's most revered thinkers: [TWEET]https://twitter.com/the_ironsheik/status/1329169298628218880?s=20[/TWEET]

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2020 12:28 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

I had to look up "suplex"

Edgy MD Nov 24 2020 07:16 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

So, any notion that his productivity and his PED use were perfectly correlating? That he tried to play nice, but after stinking it up the first half of 2019, he went back to the well, and everything since then was juicy? It's interesting that the two times the Mets have reissued the unofficially retired 24, it's ended badly.

whippoorwill Nov 24 2020 07:26 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Iron sheik and suplex. Wow whatta taste of 80s

Benjamin Grimm Nov 24 2020 07:40 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Edgy MD wrote: It's interesting that the two times the Mets have reissued the unofficially retired 24, it's ended badly. I think you just pissed off Kelvin Torve.

LWFS Nov 25 2020 08:05 AM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I had to look up "suplex" Pencil neck.

G-Fafif Dec 27 2020 03:04 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Cano has hit two homers in the Winter League opener today.

kcmets Dec 27 2020 03:22 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Do they PED test in Winter League ball?

Lefty Specialist Dec 27 2020 05:05 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

=G-Fafif post_id=52817 time=1609106659 user_id=55] Cano has hit two homers in the Winter League opener today.

Raising his eventual trade value.

G-Fafif Jan 04 2021 07:10 AM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

https://twitter.com/sotoc803/status/1346094712520908801?s=21

MFS62 Jan 04 2021 07:44 AM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

=kcmets post_id=52819 time=1609107756 user_id=53] Do they PED test in Winter League ball?

That was my first thought when I saw he had hit those two homers.

Later

Benjamin Grimm Jan 04 2021 07:52 AM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Has Cano made any public comment since his suspension?

Frayed Knot Jan 31 2021 04:58 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

This suspension obviously doesn't carry into the winter leagues as Cano is currently playing for the Dominican side against Puerto Rico in the annual season ending series that the Winter Leagues have each year.

G-Fafif Nov 04 2021 03:52 PM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Mets just picked up a veteran second baseman. [tweet]https://twitter.com/joelsherman1/status/1456372940749033477[/tweet]

Benjamin Grimm Mar 15 2022 08:14 AM Re: Cano Suspended for 2021

Saw that Cano apologized to the team for his suspension last season. I doubt that many of them cared a whole lot.