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Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

duan Nov 20 2020 07:43 AM

Mets managers whom I've experienced. Bobby V Art Howe Willie Randolph Jerry Manuel Terry Collins Mickey Calloway Luis Rojas ****** My 'gut' feeling rankings. 1. Bobby Valentine 2. Terry Collins 3. Willie Randolph 4. Luis Rojas 5. Art Howe 6. Jerry Manuel 7. Mickey Calloway.

Edgy MD Nov 20 2020 08:10 AM Re: Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether

Ouch, Mickey.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 20 2020 08:46 AM Re: Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether

I said this before but feel like Mickey was almost getting it by the time he was whacked. Fred taking out Sandy really left him on his own and I wondered if Sandy would consider bringing him back as the pitching coach. We need a new coaching staff for sure although Hef would probably be safer than most

Centerfield Nov 20 2020 08:54 AM Re: Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether

From Duan's list: 1. Bobby Valentine Good manager. Good guy. I like him a lot. 2. Terry Collins Not a great manager. Good guy. I like him despite not being great. 3. Willie Randolph Not a great manager. Unlikeable guy. Don't like him at all. 4. Luis Rojas Too early to tell. Like I haven't even seen his face yet. 5. Art Howe Dumb. Seems a good guy though. 6. Jerry Manuel Not a good manager. Likeable guy. 7. Mickey Calloway The dumbest we've had. Surly and insecure. Complete waste of time.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 20 2020 09:30 AM Re: Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether

Ranking the Unmagnificent Seven Deserves Its Own Thread

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 20 2020 09:37 AM Re: Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether

1. Bobby Vee * 2. Terry * 3. Mickey 4. Willie 5. Jerry 6. Art * 7. Luis (icomplete) Big gap between Bobby and terry, then another gap between the next 4. I gave Willie the edge on jerry only because Willie seemed more "respected" among the various cohorts he reported to (fans, media, players) even though Jerry did most everything better. Art is sort of like Mickey, with the added task of managing immediately following a period of Wilponian meddling and so were deeper in the pile of shit than their peers. I give Mickey some credit for going out stronger than all the rest, even though he knew he was doomed

MFS62 Nov 20 2020 10:18 AM Re: Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether

Seen 'em all. Casey - gate attraction - the right man when needed. Gil - great leader - I'd both follow him and trust him anywhere Bobby - great magician - made the pieces greater than the sum of the parts Davey - Great innovator - used a PC, kept the numbers and used them very well Luis - incomplete I wouldn't let the rest of them manage my team again, no matter what the circumstances. Later

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2020 12:32 PM Re: Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether

I'm staying away from this thread. Because I totally lose it whenever I read anything positive about Willie Randolph as Mets manager. It's almost as bad as the crap about retiring Gary Carter's number.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 20 2020 03:49 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

Randolph has the second-highest winning percentage among Mets managers and never finished below third. But you don't even hear about him getting inveriews anymore, much less getting hired as a manager. That must be a sign.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 20 2020 04:30 PM Re: Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether

=Centerfield post_id=51087 time=1605887685 user_id=65] 4. Luis Rojas Too early to tell. Like I haven't even seen his face yet. The dumbest we've had. Surly and insecure. Complete waste of time.

I would like to see a talented courtroom sketch artist who watched every Met game this year try to draw this man's face. I can no longer picture him without a mask or gaiter either.

Edgy MD Nov 20 2020 08:19 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

I think he kind of looks impish. Like pointy ears and stuff. Apart from Terry, the only persons I've ever heard describe a tough situation as being "in a jackpot," or having one's "ass in a jackpot" are cops. Usually, it was with regard to being in a tough spot professionally. As in "My partner was seeing a hooker and now Internal Affairs wants to talk to me about it. That's some jackpot he left me in."

LWFS Nov 20 2020 11:04 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

So what you're saying is... TERRY WAS A COP ALL ALONG?

duan Nov 21 2020 04:38 AM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

I did that off the top of my head and what surprised me was how bad they all were. The thing that got me with Calloway was the whole circus he created midseason with Tim Healey and the Vargas follow-on that was a low of lows I put Rojas 4 only because it would seem wrong to rank him in the top half after 60 games when they were let's face it pretty terrible - but I was tempted because Willie was so bad.

duan Nov 21 2020 04:39 AM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

Also having watched the video it's the ump who says ass in the jackpot not Terry unless Terry said it somewhere else.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 21 2020 05:52 AM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

I go all the way back to Gil Hodges, but I'm not sure I can remember enough details to rank them all. I know that the only two who struck me as smart, and I mean smart-smart, not just baseball-smart, are Davey Johnson and Bobby Valentine. Mickey Calloway was billed as a smart guy, and I was happy at the idea of having a smart manager again. Unfortunately, he didn't live up to the billing.

Edgy MD Nov 21 2020 07:35 AM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

=LWFS post_id=51151 time=1605938644 user_id=84]So what you're saying is... TERRY WAS A COP ALL ALONG?

Explains a lot, doesn't it?

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 21 2020 10:24 AM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

Mickey batting the Mets out of order was a thing I found hard to forget. Yeah it's just a procedural screwup but it won the Reds a game and lost the Mets one, and sooner or later you reach a point in the year where you have one loss too many. Can't think of any game where Callaway Xed and Oed the Mets to win it back. The best you could hope with him was that he would not do that again

smg58 Nov 22 2020 09:17 AM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

So my first impression is that it's really not an impressive list. I'd rank Collins first; like Alderson, he took the job when nobody wanted it and has a trip to the World Series to show for it. I've always thought Valentine was overrated, but he's still quite a bit better than the rest of these. I always felt bad for Howe, because he inherited a situation where success was impossible. Randolph deserves less credit for what went right in 2006 and less blame for what went wrong afterwards than Minaya does, but he did preside over a historic collapse. Manuel and Calloway were non-entities. I guess I would put Rojas ahead of those two for now, because he could still grow into the role (which Manuel and Calloway never did).

Lefty Specialist Nov 22 2020 09:37 AM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

For me, it's Bobby and Davey and then the rest of the field. Too young to judge the Salty Parkers of the world, or Gil or Casey. Willie had so much talent on those rosters and squandered it. Terry was put in an impossible situation by ownership; he wasn't the greatest manager but he wasn't the worst. He was put there to keep the guys motivated and he did that. And he got them to a World Series when most of us weren't expecting it so he gets a bit of a pass. Yes, he played favorites, played vets over young guys and his bullpen management wasn't the best, but he was crippled by Wilponziness from the jump.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 27 2021 07:06 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

Randolph has the second-highest winning percentage among Mets managers and never finished below third. But you don't even hear about him getting inveriews anymore, much less getting hired as a manager. That must be a sign. If Randolph won "x" games as Mets manager, an average or replacement level Mets manager would have won "x+" games with those teams. Randolph inherited about as good a team as any manager in Mets history and then ownership splurged on expensive free agents and star players under expensive contracts. And he had Reyes and Wright right out of the box. Randolph was a disgrace. It was like buying a Lamborghini for a blind person. Those Mets won in spite of, not because of Randolph.