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IECVCT January 6, 2021

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 08:54 AM

IECVCT, in case it isn't obvious (duh!) stands for In-Electoral-College-Vote-Count Thread. Let's see if we can have a Constitutional Crisis today!

kcmets Jan 06 2021 09:11 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Heh heh, heh heh, he said count Take the last plane to Scotland And we'll meet you at the airport

MFS62 Jan 06 2021 09:11 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

With every state vote Pence calls, he will be driving a nail into the coffins of those who have shown they have no heart. Nail, by nail, by nail. McConnell, Johnson, Graham, Loeffler, Cruz, all of the election deniers, and finally, tRump. Nail, by nail, by nail. Later

whippoorwill Jan 06 2021 09:24 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=kcmets post_id=53312 time=1609949472 user_id=53] Heh heh, heh heh, he said count Take the last plane to Scotland And we'll meet you at the airport

Lololpl

MFS62 Jan 06 2021 09:35 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Heh heh, heh heh, he said count Take the last plane to Scotland And we'll meet you at the airport He can't even go there now. https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/953627011/scotland-s-leader-says-trump-wouldn-t-be-allowed-to-visit-under-pandemic-rule and if he does eventually get there, he will have his finances scrutenized: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-scotland-green-party-money-laundering-probe-golf_n_5fadfe7ec5b6c582dacb8581 Later

whippoorwill Jan 06 2021 10:02 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Is this on tv?

whippoorwill Jan 06 2021 10:04 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Never mind found it

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 10:16 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I found what promised to be a live feed, and instead I'm getting the blowhard president preaching lies to the militiamen. He's setting Pence up for a no-win situation. [YOUTUBE]3Fsf4aWudJk[/YOUTUBE] He's tapdancing on a landmine.

whippoorwill Jan 06 2021 10:25 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

What a fuckhead

kcmets Jan 06 2021 10:43 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=MFS62 post_id=53317 time=1609950915 user_id=60]He can't even go there now.

Eh, just poking fun. I could really care less where he goes so long as it's away.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 10:48 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

He can't even go there now. Eh, just poking fun. I could really care less where he goes so long as it's away. https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/cbr010221dapr.jpg?resize=807x807>

MFS62 Jan 06 2021 10:55 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Gotcha' Kase. And I love Ben's cartoon, too. Later

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 11:18 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Well, here we go. They're adjourning to debate the validity of the electoral votes from Arizona. Alabama and Alaska got counted with no objections. The score is currently Trump 12, Biden 0.

MFS62 Jan 06 2021 11:21 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The protestors are going to march toward the Capitol, and donnie says he'll lead them. This puts everyone in danger and violence could disrupt the vote count. Later

Lefty Specialist Jan 06 2021 11:34 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 06 2021 11:35 AM

=MFS62 post_id=53337 time=1609957305 user_id=60] The protestors are going to march toward the Capitol, and donnie says he'll lead them.

Is he in a golf cart?



The President actually has privileges on the floor of the House and the Senate. He could conceivably walk in and start yelling.



6 objections x 2 hours of debate for each, this probably won't wrap up until the wee hours.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 11:35 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell: American Hero!

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 11:37 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Wait, what?

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 11:52 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

In the least surprising development ever, the president has not joined the marchers, but instead returned to The White House.

MFS62 Jan 06 2021 12:02 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: In the least surprising development ever, the president has not joined the marchers, but instead returned to The White House. He couldn't get a deferment for this, but he once again shows that he is a coward. Later

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 12:13 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Crowds are trying hard to penetrate the Capitol now.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 12:28 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Secret Service hustles Mike Pence out of the Senate chamber. Reports are that some of the protestors have made it into the building.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 06 2021 12:29 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Won't they just respect the monument! /clutches pearls

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 12:39 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Did they use up all their tear gas on the day that Trump held up the Bible?

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 12:40 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Holy fucking shit. Today, the Capitol has been violently breached. The House is supposedly back in session?!!

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 12:40 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

MSNBC now reporting that tear gas HAS been deployed inside the Capitol Building.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 12:59 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

A PROTESTOR HAS REACHED THE WELL OF THE HOUSE?!!!

Lefty Specialist Jan 06 2021 01:09 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

This is a complete shitshow. They need to arrest these terrorists.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 01:11 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: This is a complete shitshow. They need to arrest these terrorists. ' Hah! Trump'll pardon them.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 01:14 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Breaking: Somebdy was shot at the Capitol Building. We are deep into Banana Republic territory.

Lefty Specialist Jan 06 2021 01:15 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Trump asked for this. He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law on January 21st.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 01:18 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: Trump asked for this. He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law on January 21st. Not only this, but if Trump installs Pence as an 11th hour President so that Trump could receive a pardon from Pence without having to self-pardon himself, the Biden administration should eventually challenge that pardon as a sham pardon.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 01:18 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: Trump asked for this. He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law on January 21st. Not only this, but if Trump installs Pence as an 11th hour President so that Trump could receive a pardon without having to self-pardon himself, the Biden administration should eventually challenge that pardon as a sham pardon.

whippoorwill Jan 06 2021 01:27 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: A PROTESTOR HAS REACHED THE WELL OF THE HOUSE?!!! Sitting in the speakers chair

MFS62 Jan 06 2021 01:43 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The Goths have come over the wall. Civilization is being challenged. Later

Lefty Specialist Jan 06 2021 01:50 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Remember that they teargassed peaceful protesters in DC this summer. But white supremacist terrorists were allowed to roam the Capitol freely. The National Guard wasn't called out in force because DC can't ask for it directly. DC statehood just got a huge boost. Trump is directly responsible for this. HE MUST PAY. I am furious and saddened for my country.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 01:51 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: Trump asked for this. He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law on January 21st. I'm more about January 6. He should be removed by both Congress and the Cabinet today, and charged before the sun sets.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 01:53 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: I'm more about January 6. He should be removed by both Congress and the Cabinet today, and charged before the sun sets. That's exactly what I've been thinking. He should wake up tomorrow morning in a holding cell.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 01:59 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Really? And which 2/3 of the Senate is gonna vote for Trump's removal?

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 02:02 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I don't care. I just know that 100% of them should.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 02:06 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: I don't care. I just know that 100% of them should. If that's the case, Trump would've already been removed about a year ago.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 02:08 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

This is so outrageous that we already forgot about Trump's "godfather" talk to the Georgia Sec'y of State of a few days ago.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 02:08 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

This is so outrageous that we already forgot about Trump's "godfather" talk to the Georgia Sec'y of State of a few days ago. And soon enough, there'll be a new outrage to displace today's.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 02:09 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: I don't care. I just know that 100% of them should. If that's the case, Trump would've already been removed about a year ago. I called for it then, and I've called for it every day since.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 02:18 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

There's also the 25th Amendment. That won't require two thirds of the Senate. Still extremely unlikely, but it requires fewer people.

MFS62 Jan 06 2021 02:24 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: There's also the 25th Amendment. That won't require two thirds of the Senate. Still extremely unlikely, but it requires fewer people. Don't a majority of the Cabinet members have to approve of the use of the 25th? Or is it an either/or situation? The current Cabinet is made up of blatant tRump toadies. Later

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 02:29 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

That's why it's extremely unlikely. But a majority of the Cabinet is fewer people than two thirds of the Senate.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 02:33 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I refuse to believe in futility. Right now, it's open question as to whether the coalition of Congressmembers that were to lodge protests will follow through. Of course, it's an open question when Congress will even be able to convene again.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 02:38 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I think the next "contested" state, alphabetically, is Georgia. It would take a hell of an amount of nerve (which doesn't mean it won't happen) for the electoral votes from Georgia to be challenged. They can do this over Zoom. They can do this in an undisclosed location. I'm sure there's a facility somewhere in or near Washington where the Congress can meet in a time of emergency.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 02:49 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Congresswoman Omar's office has announced that she is writing up articles of impeachment. Here's to the Cabinet saving her the trouble.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 02:54 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Congresswoman Omar, you go girl!

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 02:59 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I dont think that a 25th amendment removal would prevent the president from running again in 2024, which I think, is most of the point of removing Trump now, with just two weeks remaining in his term. And even with a successful 25th amendment removal which took effect immediately he'd still be able to cause mayhem from the sidelines, maybe even more so.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 03:04 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 06 2021 03:06 PM

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=53392 time=1609970352 user_id=68] I dont think that a 25th amendment removal would prevent the president from running again in 2024, which I think, is most of the point of removing Trump now, with just two weeks remaining in his term. And even with a successful 25th amendment removal which took effect immediately he'd still be able to cause mayhem from the sidelines, maybe even more so.

I doubt Trump can win in 2024 anyways. He lost convincingly to Biden, squeaked by by a micro-hair in 2016 and is damaging his electability more and more with each passing day. I think he's shot.

Today's protesters and hooligans are the fringe who appear larger in numbers only because of the noise they make.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 03:06 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I hope they're considering a change of venue for the inauguration.

Lefty Specialist Jan 06 2021 03:17 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I hope they're considering a change of venue for the inauguration. Absolutely. It'll have to be in a secure location. These people have resolved to come back with more weapons. Trump, Hawley and Cruz and all the others have a lot to answer for. This is so shameful. It looks as if they're letting these people just walk away; if they were black, they'd be beaten and arrested.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 03:24 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Wow. A black person's life is at risk for simply forgetting to switch on his turn blinkers. But a white person can Infiltrate the US Capitol with a gun and walk away scot-free with law enforcement's knowledge and permission.

MFS62 Jan 06 2021 03:37 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

When Steve Bannon slithered out of his hole and became a Trump advisor, we read that his aim was to create total chaos, undermine America, and re-establish it in his own totalitarian vision. Even when he left the regime, he stayed in contact with Agent Orange.(at times reportedly on a daily basis) This looks like it is straight out of the Bannon playbook. Later

whippoorwill Jan 06 2021 03:44 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I hope they're considering a change of venue for the inauguration. I commented to my husband that a battleship in the middle of the ocean would be good.

Chad ochoseis Jan 06 2021 03:56 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The CBS coverage helpfully notes that it's a largely white and male crowd, and they're not from DC.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 03:59 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

But the female gunshot victim has reportedly died.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 04:00 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

All of those idiots marching into the Rotunda, taking pictures with their cell phones. I hope they didn't think to turn off their GPS (and I'm not even sure that that would have worked) so that Google and Apple can identify exactly who entered the building.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 04:01 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: But the female gunshot victim has reportedly died. Is it wrong for me to hope that she was one of the invaders, and not someone who was legitimately in the building? Because that's exactly what I'm hoping.

whippoorwill Jan 06 2021 04:03 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

That's what I'm hoping and that she voted for donnie

ashie62 Jan 06 2021 04:06 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I saw the photo of officers with guns sighted on the doors to enter the chamber. Terrorists were trying to breach the house chamber.

Chad ochoseis Jan 06 2021 04:16 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I believe it was reported that she was part of the chicken coup. A congresswoman said that the entire House has been evacuated to one large room. In an act of gratuitous douchebaggery, some members of the Republican delegation are refusing masks.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 04:22 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Chad ochoseis wrote: I believe it was reported that she was part of the chicken coup. A congresswoman said that the entire House has been evacuated to one large room. In an act of gratuitous douchebaggery, some members of the Republican delegation are refusing masks. And some pols are refusing to evacuate with the maskless Republicans out of coronavirus fears, so they are evacuating to a less secure area (less secure from the rioters), balancing the risk with the coronavirus.

Lefty Specialist Jan 06 2021 04:26 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Apparently only 13 people have been arrested. This is why. https://twitter.com/i/status/1346920198461419520

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2021 04:39 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I don't care. I just know that 100% of them should. If that's the case, Trump would've already been removed about a year ago. I called for it then, and I've called for it every day since. I'm totally with you. You should know that. I'm just sayin' that it ain't gonna happen. You should know that, too.

whippoorwill Jan 06 2021 04:42 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

If I'd have been the cop helping that old bat in the tan coat down the stairs a few hours ago, I'd have given her a gentle push I am getting more pissed by the minute

Fman99 Jan 06 2021 05:47 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

This is so outrageous that we already forgot about Trump's "godfather" talk to the Georgia Sec'y of State of a few days ago. That's how these things go. The whole "Trump didn't pay taxes at all/only paid $750" got pushed out of the headlines by him getting Covid 2 days later.

Fman99 Jan 06 2021 05:52 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

CNN going on and on about the 25th Amendment, which of course won't happen any time soon because Mike Pence would have to make a move he's not shown any inclination on for the entirety of this term. More significant to me is that Shitbag's Twitter account has been shut down. He can't explain himself now or continue to egg on his deplorable army.

TransMonk Jan 06 2021 06:00 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Yeah, I'm having a hard time with Capitol Police on this. How could they not be expecting this to happen? Trump has been telegraphing this for days. There were a lot of MAGAs there, but a relatively moderate amount compared to the size and frequency of other protests in DC. It completely blows my mind that these people were able to get guns, flags and backpacks into the Capitol with such ease. And 13 arrests? C'mon, man.

Fman99 Jan 06 2021 06:04 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Compared to the thousands of extra troops and cops called out for the BLM protests last year, which, of course, contained no violent acts from any protesters towards any American institutions. Of course, most of those protesters were people of color, women, and confirmed snowflake libs.

whippoorwill Jan 06 2021 06:33 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Love to know the story of the dead woman

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2021 07:15 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Love to know the story of the dead woman She was an Air Force veteran, an avid Trump supporter, and was one of the "protestors" who invaded the Capitol building.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2021 10:18 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

How goofy to see Lindsay Graham try to roll out his folksy persona again. I thought that it had been retired to the Smithsonian, alongside Fonzie's jacket and Archie Bunker's chair.

ashie62 Jan 07 2021 03:17 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Biden certified at 3:32 a.m.

Lefty Specialist Jan 07 2021 04:30 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Love to know the story of the dead woman She was an Air Force veteran, an avid Trump supporter, and was one of the "protestors" who invaded the Capitol building. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErE-jciVkAIb2ad?format=jpg&name=small>

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 05:37 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Some Cabinet members are holding preliminary discussions about invoking the 25th Amendment, a well-placed GOP source told CNN. The discussions are ongoing but it's unclear if there will be enough Cabinet members to result in Trump's removal. The conversations have reached Capitol Hill where some senators have been made aware of the discussions, the source said. Angry Republican leaders float removing Trump from office

Fman99 Jan 07 2021 06:35 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Some Cabinet members are holding preliminary discussions about invoking the 25th Amendment, a well-placed GOP source told CNN. The discussions are ongoing but it's unclear if there will be enough Cabinet members to result in Trump's removal. The conversations have reached Capitol Hill where some senators have been made aware of the discussions, the source said. Angry Republican leaders float removing Trump from office This is and always has been a lot of bluster. The 25th Amendment cannot be invoked without the Vice President and we all know he's still the lapdog in chief.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 07:29 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I'm skeptical too. Maybe Pence will decide that the calculus has changed and that his future would be better if he distanced from Trump, but I wouldn't bet on that happening. And who knows? Maybe he'd like to be the President of the United States for eleven or twelve days. If nothing else, it would screw up any "46" merchandise that has been created for Joe Biden.

Lefty Specialist Jan 07 2021 07:31 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Never happen. Cabinet members are chosen for their ability to stay loyal to Trump, not their qualifications.

MFS62 Jan 07 2021 07:36 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The names of the Seditious Six: Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Josh Hawley (R-MO), Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-MS), John Kennedy (R-LA), Tommy Tuberville (R-AL), and Roger Marshall (R-KS). We will never forget. Also, follow the money. How did all of these Domestic Terrorists afford to travel to the Capitol? Was any part of this bankrolled by the Trump PAC? Follow that money. They've been grifting for money to "defend freedom" and "take back a stolen election" even through all of the coup attempt yesterday. There were NOT good people on both sides. Later

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2021 12:26 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Elaine Chau resigns from the Cabinet in protest. Makes it that much less likely that the Cabinet would have enough votes to invoke the 25th. I really want the House to vote to impeach in the next few days. I don't know how it would play out, with the term ending in less than two weeks, but it would be good, at least, to have Trump be the most frequently impeached president ever. One more thing for him to boast about!

batmagadanleadoff Jan 09 2021 12:03 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 09 2021 10:48 AM

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I don't care. I just know that 100% of them should. If that's the case, Trump would've already been removed about a year ago. I called for it then, and I've called for it every day since. I'm totally with you. You should know that. I'm just sayin' that it ain't gonna happen. You should know that, too. So (no surprise), Mitch McConnell's gonna slow-walk any Articles of Impeachment the Senate might receive all the way till sometime after Biden's sworn in. So the question then becomes whether a president that was impeached while in office could then be tried by the Senate after he's left office. A coupl'a things to consider: to convict a president in an impeachment trial, 2/3 of the senators present must vote to convict -- not 2/3 out of 100. So with a 50-50 senate, Trump could be convicted with all 50 Dems voting to do so and 17 Republicans not showing up for the vote. Or, if, for example let's say, six Republicans join the Dems in voting to convict, then just 16 Republicans would need to disappear for a conviction (56/84 = 2/3). If eight Republicans join the 50 Dems, then just 13 R's would need to disappear. Still a long shot, but less so than needing 25 R's to vote to convict. Play around with the numbers.

Lefty Specialist Jan 09 2021 04:57 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Ironically, it might be beneficial for Hawley and Cruz to vote FOR impeachment. It clears Trump out of the way for 2024. I expect a few Republicans might vote for this in the Senate (Murkowski/Sasse/Romney), but they won't reach 2/3. The rest will all be like, "Donald who?"

batmagadanleadoff Jan 09 2021 10:53 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

How to Impeach a President in 12 Days: Here's What It Would Take Excerpt: Under one theory being discussed, the House could impeach Mr. Trump and hold onto the articles for a few days to wait until Democrats take over control of the Senate, which will occur after Mr. Biden is sworn in. The length of a trial, and the rules governing it, are determined by the members of the Senate. [***] History gives little guide on the question of whether a president can be impeached once he leaves office, and House lawyers were racing to understand the legal and constitutional issues. There is precedent for doing so in the case of other high government officers. In 1876, the House impeached President Ulysses S. Grant's war secretary for graft, even after he resigned from his post. The Senate at the time considered whether it still had jurisdiction to hear the case of a former official, and determined that it did. Ultimately, the secretary was acquitted. Michael J. Gerhardt, a constitutional scholar at the University of North Carolina who testified in the last impeachment proceedings, wrote on Friday that he saw no reason Congress could not proceed. “It would make no sense for former officials, or ones who step down just in time, to escape that remedial mechanism,” he wrote. “It should accordingly go without saying that if an impeachment begins when an individual is in office, the process may surely continue after they resign or otherwise depart.” https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/impeachment-president-trump-capitol.html

metsmarathon Jan 11 2021 07:31 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

so, "as long as you do it late enough in your term, you can do whatever the fuck you want" is counterpoint to impeaching?

MFS62 Jan 11 2021 10:39 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

It seems like a number of the identified insurrectionists are retired military personnel. They should have their pensions stopped pending trial. And, speaking of the military, as Commander-In-Chief of the armed forces, isn't the president subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice?(UCMJ) And if so, can he be brought up on charges in a military court (there must be a regulation in there that fits what he did)? Later

Edgy MD Jan 11 2021 01:17 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I don't care. I just know that 100% of them should. If that's the case, Trump would've already been removed about a year ago. I called for it then, and I've called for it every day since. I'm totally with you. You should know that. I'm just sayin' that it ain't gonna happen. You should know that, too. So (no surprise), Mitch McConnell's gonna slow-walk any Articles of Impeachment the Senate might receive all the way till sometime after Biden's sworn in. So the question then becomes whether a president that was impeached while in office could then be tried by the Senate after he's left office. A coupl'a things to consider: to convict a president in an impeachment trial, 2/3 of the senators present must vote to convict -- not 2/3 out of 100. So with a 50-50 senate, Trump could be convicted with all 50 Dems voting to do so and 17 Republicans not showing up for the vote. Or, if, for example let's say, six Republicans join the Dems in voting to convict, then just 16 Republicans would need to disappear for a conviction (56/84 = 2/3). If eight Republicans join the 50 Dems, then just 13 R's would need to disappear. Still a long shot, but less so than needing 25 R's to vote to convict. Play around with the numbers. See, now you're talking turkey. The numbers may also be skewed by 1-3 senators expelled, though I tend to think of that as a tougher row to hoe than impeachment. Resigning under threat of expulsion is probably more likely. If inciting insurrection isn't an impeachable offense, it strains the mind to conceive of what is.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 11 2021 01:38 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I didn't know till just now that successfully impeached presidents lose all the post-presidency perks afforded others (travel, security detail, $$). Its worth it just for that. One of of the personally hard-hitting moments for me in the last 4 years was visiting city hall in Denver (I'm pretty sure it was) where there was a beautiful rotunda gallery ringed with portraits of every US president and realizing how grotesquely undeserving the current one was to be in that room.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2021 02:11 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I didn't know till just now that successfully impeached presidents lose all the post-presidency perks afforded others (travel, security detail, $$). Its worth it just for that. Really? He would lose Secret Service protection? I don't know that he'll need it anyway. He may end up in a well-guarded prison. Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: One of of the personally hard-hitting moments for me in the last 4 years was visiting city hall in Denver (I'm pretty sure it was) where there was a beautiful rotunda gallery ringed with portraits of every US president and realizing how grotesquely undeserving the current one was to be in that room. I've had the same thought, although not inspired by a visit to City Hall in Denver. Each of the 43 (or 44, however you want to count them) presidents who preceded Trump are diminished by his presence among them.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 11 2021 02:13 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

that's what i thought I heard on npr. I don't think i ever gave thought to what impeachment really meant for x-prezzes

batmagadanleadoff Jan 11 2021 02:35 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I don't care. I just know that 100% of them should. If that's the case, Trump would've already been removed about a year ago. I called for it then, and I've called for it every day since. I'm totally with you. You should know that. I'm just sayin' that it ain't gonna happen. You should know that, too. So (no surprise), Mitch McConnell's gonna slow-walk any Articles of Impeachment the Senate might receive all the way till sometime after Biden's sworn in. So the question then becomes whether a president that was impeached while in office could then be tried by the Senate after he's left office. A coupl'a things to consider: to convict a president in an impeachment trial, 2/3 of the senators present must vote to convict -- not 2/3 out of 100. So with a 50-50 senate, Trump could be convicted with all 50 Dems voting to do so and 17 Republicans not showing up for the vote. Or, if, for example let's say, six Republicans join the Dems in voting to convict, then just 16 Republicans would need to disappear for a conviction (56/84 = 2/3). If eight Republicans join the 50 Dems, then just 13 R's would need to disappear. Still a long shot, but less so than needing 25 R's to vote to convict. Play around with the numbers. See, now you're talking turkey. The numbers may also be skewed by 1-3 senators expelled, though I tend to think of that as a tougher row to hoe than impeachment. Resigning under threat of expulsion is probably more likely. If inciting insurrection isn't an impeachable offense, it strains the mind to conceive of what is. That "17" should be "25" R's not present. 17 is the # of R votes to convict the Dems would need with a full 50-50 Senate and the entire Dem Senate caucus voting to convict.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 11 2021 02:39 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: One of of the personally hard-hitting moments for me in the last 4 years was visiting city hall in Denver (I'm pretty sure it was) where there was a beautiful rotunda gallery ringed with portraits of every US president and realizing how grotesquely undeserving the current one was to be in that room. I've had the same thought, although not inspired by a visit to City Hall in Denver. Each of the 43 (or 44, however you want to count them) presidents who preceded Trump are diminished by his presence among them. I've had this thought since the day after Election Day 2016. I wanted to vomit, knowing that his portrait would hang in every Federal building, and in the offices of every Federal judge. What an embarrassment.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2021 02:40 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Here's what Wikipedia says about consequences of impeachment: Conviction immediately removes the defendant from office. Following conviction, the Senate may vote to further punish the individual by barring him or her from holding future federal office, elected or appointed. As the threshold for disqualification is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, the Senate has taken the position that disqualification votes only require a simple majority rather than a two-thirds supermajority. The Senate has used disqualification sparingly, as only three individuals have been disqualified from holding future office.[37] Conviction does not extend to further punishment, for example, loss of pension. After conviction by the Senate, "the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law" in the regular federal or state courts. However, the Former Presidents Act of 1958, which provides a pension and other benefits, does not extend to presidents who were removed from office following an impeachment conviction. Because of an amendment to that law made in 2013, a former president who has been removed from office due to impeachment and conviction is still guaranteed lifetime Secret Service protection.[38] Footnote 37 references an article from Politico: The Senate's practice in impeachment cases has been to hold separate votes on removal and disqualification. The removal vote is the same as the vote on whether to convict on the charges presented by the House's referral of impeachment. The Constitution's threshold for conviction and removal is “two-thirds of the [Senators] present.” But disqualification is different. The Senate has long taken the position (not without some controversy) that the vote to disqualify an official from again seeking office requires only a simple majority vote, not the higher two-thirds threshold. And 38 is an article from Mother Jones: The 1958 Former Presidents Act assures that no president leaves office without being set for life—it guarantees a pension, access to health insurance, office space and staff. There is, however, one exception: These perks are only granted to presidents who aren't removed from office in an impeachment trial. For Donald Trump, who boasts of being a billionaire (though one who appeared to be headed for financial troubles, even before Wednesday's insurrection), the pension may not be a big deal. It is lavish, set to be $219,000 this year, but a fraction of what Trump earns from his business. But losing other perks, like subsidies to maintain an office and staff to burnish his legacy, might Regardlesss of what Congress decides, one perk Trump will get to keep is his Secret Service detail—a 2013 amendment to the law guaranteed lifetime protection, even to presidents removed from office.

Edgy MD Jan 11 2021 03:24 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

President Nixon, who had his moments of patriotic grace bursting through some vile behaviors and decisions, declined to continue with Secret Service protection and hired the detail assigned to him out of pocket for his personal security.

MFS62 Jan 11 2021 03:30 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The NY Bar Association is considering disbarring Rudy Giuliani for supporting the people who attacked the Capitol. https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-could-disbarred-capitol-151738335.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANSruOKrxVjNxYU3CGuLQYnKJ0S4ig8v4QkO1xoFgYyWzXVQ3MwosKmXx0OEcETsZahLW_yhv7ro3ed_uMjaKVB-3Uei6uBgVYSzlBZhE-aHI8I4n5QSpiSSkRqXSAPVNzGM1l2i62Ro68nF99ozxmLaUMyDOGsIY1560fI3N8LH Mr Giuliani said that the Trump supporters who attacked the Capitol - an attack that left six people dead - were on the "right side of history." Earlier in the day, he appeared to encourage the idea of solving political differences with violence. "If we're wrong, we will be made fools of, but if we're right, a lot of them will go to jail," Mr Giuliani said to the crowd, speaking about the president's challenge to the 2020 election results. "Let's have trial by combat." Mr Giuliani made the statement shortly before the crowd of Trump supporters swarmed the Capitol. "Based on these complaints, and the statement Mr Guiliani uttered shortly before the attack on the Capitol, NYSBA President Scott M Karson has launched an inquiry pursuant to the Association's bylaws to determine whether Mr Giuliani should be removed from the membership rolls of the Association," the statement said. If removed from the rolls, he will not be able to practice law in NY State. Later

Willets Point Jan 12 2021 09:37 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I don't know that he'll need it anyway. He may end up in a well-guarded prison. And no Secret Service agent should have to dive in front of a shiv.

Lefty Specialist Jan 12 2021 02:28 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

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whippoorwill Jan 12 2021 03:27 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I think that little elf guy by the dude with the horns works at the North Pole The dude with the horns is a reindeer

Lefty Specialist Jan 13 2021 01:10 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The New York Times reveals that President Trump gave his vice president quite the ultimatum when attempting to pressure Mike Pence join efforts to stop Congress from reaffirming Biden's victory: “You can either go down in history as a patriot, or you can go down in history as a pussy.” Wonder what Mother thought about that.

Edgy MD Jan 13 2021 02:25 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Poetry, right there.

Fman99 Jan 13 2021 07:58 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: https://forums.talkingpointsmemo.com/uploads/default/original/4X/4/2/2/42232a006bd25e57dfbef08136d88557f220ddec.png> Read that (not joking here) one of the five deaths from last Wednesday's events was a rally attendee who was trampled to death while carrying a "Don't Tread on Me" flag. And that another guy tased himself in the genitals and later died from it. Whoops! Sucks to suck as they say

Lefty Specialist Jan 16 2021 05:44 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Read this if you don't want to sleep for a month. We came very close here. This may be why Trump smiled while he watched this on TV and refused to send in the National Guard. https://eand.co/the-more-we-learn-about-the-coup-the-worse-it-gets-866fb923d4f3

Lefty Specialist Jan 16 2021 06:32 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Also, irony is dead. @MollyJongFast A police officer just said he was beaten by capitol rioter with a blue lives matter flag pole. 9:33 AM · Jan 15, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

MFS62 Jan 16 2021 07:22 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: Read this if you don't want to sleep for a month. We came very close here. This may be why Trump smiled while he watched this on TV and refused to send in the National Guard. https://eand.co/the-more-we-learn-about-the-coup-the-worse-it-gets-866fb923d4f3 That brought together what we have suspected since the attack on the Capitol. Scary shit. Later

batmagadanleadoff Jan 16 2021 07:32 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: Read this if you don't want to sleep for a month. We came very close here. This may be why Trump smiled while he watched this on TV and refused to send in the National Guard. https://eand.co/the-more-we-learn-about-the-coup-the-worse-it-gets-866fb923d4f3 No surprises here.I thought it was a big inside job from day one, with more and more confirmation with each passing day and with each new revelation. History will tell you that at this point, there's only one effective way to deal with Trump.

MFS62 Jan 16 2021 02:03 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

While tRump is trying to rip off the country, his team is just ripping off the White House: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-officials-souvenirs-white-house-153743201.html A top aide to President Donald Trump was seen leaving the White House with a large framed photograph, stirring controversy as former officials alleged that the move was “illegal” and said the artwork belonged to the National Archives. Peter Navarro, a top trade official in the Trump administration, was photographed by a Reuters journalist leaving the White House grounds earlier this week with the image of Mr Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Later

Lefty Specialist Jan 16 2021 02:17 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: Read this if you don't want to sleep for a month. We came very close here. This may be why Trump smiled while he watched this on TV and refused to send in the National Guard. https://eand.co/the-more-we-learn-about-the-coup-the-worse-it-gets-866fb923d4f3 No surprises here.I thought it was a big inside job from day one, with more and more confirmation with each passing day and with each new revelation. History will tell you that at this point, there's only one effective way to deal with Trump. My concern is that he's going to want to monetize all the information he learned while in the White House. Even being the narcissistic idiot he is, he's learned things others would like to know. He'll be doing favors for Putin and Erdogan and other autocrats in return for cold hard cash. Watch for some shady 'real estate deals' in the next few years. Kushner can probably coast for life on all the secrets he's given to Mohammad Bone Saw. These people need to have their phones tapped until their dying days.

whippoorwill Jan 16 2021 04:35 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Mom and I were in tears laughing about his 21 gun salute

LWFS Jan 16 2021 05:22 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Read this if you don't want to sleep for a month. We came very close here. This may be why Trump smiled while he watched this on TV and refused to send in the National Guard. https://eand.co/the-more-we-learn-about-the-coup-the-worse-it-gets-866fb923d4f3 No surprises here.I thought it was a big inside job from day one, with more and more confirmation with each passing day and with each new revelation. History will tell you that at this point, there's only one effective way to deal with Trump. My concern is that he's going to want to monetize all the information he learned while in the White House. Even being the narcissistic idiot he is, he's learned things others would like to know. He'll be doing favors for Putin and Erdogan and other autocrats in return for cold hard cash. Watch for some shady 'real estate deals' in the next few years. Kushner can probably coast for life on all the secrets he's given to Mohammad Bone Saw. These people need to have their phones tapped until their dying days. This is another reason impeach-and-remove is so very important. The House Democrats have one audience-- 15-20 reachable GOP Senators.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 16 2021 05:33 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021 Edited 4 time(s), most recently on Jan 16 2021 08:14 PM

I'm not sure how an impeachment conviction would matter. It won't undo what they already know. And while former presidents traditionally continue to receive classified intelligence, this is discretionary - more of a courtesy extended. The current president (Biden-incoming) has the power to cut off any former president from receiving that intelligence. I have a hunch that Biden will use that power to cut Trump off. I suppose that an impeachment conviction though, would prevent a future president sympathetic to Trump from permitting Trump to receive intelligence. Also, I'll bet anything that Kushner took paper hard copies of whatever intelligence he wanted and took it home with him where he copied it to various digital storage devices.

ashie62 Jan 16 2021 05:37 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Read this if you don't want to sleep for a month. We came very close here. This may be why Trump smiled while he watched this on TV and refused to send in the National Guard. https://eand.co/the-more-we-learn-about-the-coup-the-worse-it-gets-866fb923d4f3 No surprises here.I thought it was a big inside job from day one, with more and more confirmation with each passing day and with each new revelation. History will tell you that at this point, there's only one effective way to deal with Trump. My concern is that he's going to want to monetize all the information he learned while in the White House. Even being the narcissistic idiot he is, he's learned things others would like to know. He'll be doing favors for Putin and Erdogan and other autocrats in return for cold hard cash. Watch for some shady 'real estate deals' in the next few years. Kushner can probably coast for life on all the secrets he's given to Mohammad Bone Saw. These people need to have their phones tapped until their dying days. Mohammad Bone Saw...Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Fman99 Jan 16 2021 08:07 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: Read this if you don't want to sleep for a month. We came very close here. This may be why Trump smiled while he watched this on TV and refused to send in the National Guard. https://eand.co/the-more-we-learn-about-the-coup-the-worse-it-gets-866fb923d4f3 Literally terrifying.

Edgy MD Oct 25 2021 10:49 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Hunter Walker is trying to make Rolling Stone great again, authoring an article quoting January 6 insurrections alleging that at least half a dozen members of Congress were involved in planning the siege, as well as dozens of staffers, and administration officials, including White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. “We would talk to Boebert's team, Cawthorn's team, Gosar's team like back to back to back to back,” says the organizer. And Gosar, who has been one of the most prominent defenders of the Jan. 6 rioters, allegedly took things a step further. Both sources say he dangled the possibility of a “blanket pardon” in an unrelated ongoing investigation to encourage them to plan the protests. “Our impression was that it was a done deal,” the organizer says, “that he'd spoken to the president about it in the Oval … in a meeting about pardons and that our names came up. They were working on submitting the paperwork and getting members of the House Freedom Caucus to sign on as a show of support.” The organizer claims the pair received “several assurances” about the “blanket pardon” from Gosar. “I was just going over the list of pardons and we just wanted to tell you guys how much we appreciate all the hard work you've been doing,” Gosar said, according to the organizer.

Edgy MD Oct 25 2021 10:51 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=54121 time=1610843599 user_id=68]The current president (Biden-incoming) has the power to cut off any former president from receiving that intelligence. I have a hunch that Biden will use that power to cut Trump off.

I would much rather the former president be fed bad intelligence in order to see where it ends up.

Lefty Specialist Oct 26 2021 01:54 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The sources for the Rolling Stone article are also talking to the staff at the Jan 6 Congressional Committee. So that should be fun. Let the subpoenas fly.

Edgy MD Nov 04 2021 01:21 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/dotjenna/status/1375443216720400387[/TWEET] Sentenced to 60 days.

Centerfield Nov 04 2021 01:34 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I don't think you're supposed to say that part out loud.

Fman99 Nov 04 2021 06:42 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Should I know who Jenna Ryan is? Cause sorry I sure as shit do not

Willets Point Nov 05 2021 04:47 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

She's an insurrectionist piece of shit who's getting a slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the results of an election. That's all you need to know.

Willets Point Nov 05 2021 05:16 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Meanwhile 8 American-hating insurrectionists were elected on to public office on Tuesday. Are the Biden Democrats going to reach across the aisle to work with them for bipartisan solutions to overthrowing the government?

Edgy MD Nov 06 2021 07:21 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I'm growing impatient for the arrest of Steve Bannon.

Lefty Specialist Dec 15 2021 09:13 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

But his e-mails! And texts! An excellent exercise in pretzel-bending was done by Fox 'News' prime-time hosts last night. "Yeah, even though we were pleading for Donald Trump to stop it, we didn't think he was involved or responsible in any way. And it's Nancy Pelosi's fault!" Love that the Democrats are putting Liz Cheney out there to read these in public. Excellent trolling that I didn't think they had in them. Mark Meadows, idiot that he is, actually gave them a treasure trove of information and THEN decided not to cooperate further, earning a Contempt of Congress referral to the DOJ. Best part is it seems to be that Don Jr. doesn't have Daddy's phone number. :)

Edgy MD Dec 15 2021 09:17 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Worst part is the lack of administration figures in jail.

MFS62 Dec 15 2021 11:52 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

In case you're wondering why Meadows can't be tried in absentia for Contempt of Congress, Federal Law states that the defendant must have appeared at least one day during the trial for that to happen. Since Meadows sent in documents but never physically appeared, the law , unfortunately, cannot be applied. Later

Edgy MD Mar 03 2022 01:57 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

John Eastman, President Trump's lawyer, on January 6 wrote: I'm sorry Greg, but this is small minded. You're sticking with minor procedural statutes while the Constitution is being shredded. I gave you the Lincoln example yesterday. Here's another. In the situation room at the White House during the first Iraq war, the Sec of Interior said the law required an environmental impact assessment before the President could order bombing of the Iraq oil fields. Technically true. But nonsense. Luckily, Bush got statesmanship advice and ignored that statutory requirement. Greg Jacob, Vice President Pence's chief council, in response wrote: John, very respectfully, I just don't in the end believe that there is a single Justice on the United States Supreme Court, or a single judge on any of our Courts of Appeals, who is as “broad minded” as you when it comes to the irrelevance of statutes enacted by the United States Congress, and followed without exception for more than 130 years. They cannot be set aside except when in direct conflict with the Constitution that our revered Framers handed us. And very respectfully, I don't think that a single one of those Framers would agree with your position either. Certainly, Judge Luttig has made clear he does not. And there is no reasonable argument that the Constitution directs or empowers the Vice President to set a procedure followed for 130 years before it has even been resorted to. Lincoln suspended the writ when the body entrusted with that authority was out of session, and submitted it to them as soon as it returned. I understand your argument that several state legislatures were out of session. But the role for state legislatures has for our entire history ended at the time that electoral certificates are submitted to Congress. Congress has debated submissions, including competing submissions. It has never once referred them out to state legislatures to decide. I respect your heart here. I share your concerns about what Democrats will do once in power. I want election integrity fixed. But I have run down every legal trail placed before me to its conclusion, and I respectfully conclude that as a legal framework, it is a results-oriented position that you would never support if attempted by the opposition, and essentially entirely made up. And thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege. Greg Jacob, Esq., unsung American hero. More from their stunning exchange.

Edgy MD Jun 06 2022 07:46 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Leader of the Proud Boys and four lieutenants charged with seditious conspiracy. This group marched in my home town a few weeks ago, for the second time in six months. Both times it was without a permit and with impunity. The feckless mayor said he had never heard of the group. My hometown may or may not be turning into a hotbed of MAGA shittiness and insanity.

MFS62 Jun 07 2022 07:04 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

FOX News won't be showing the Jan. 6th hearings. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/broadcast-networks-cover-january-6th-201833718.html Disgraceful. Wouldn't be great if the FCC could pull their license because they don't serve the public? Later

Edgy MD Jun 07 2022 07:20 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I believe the FCC doesn't license cable programming, and has very little regulatory authority over it in general.

Fman99 Jun 07 2022 07:27 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

FOX News won't be showing the Jan. 6th hearings. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/broadcast-networks-cover-january-6th-201833718.html Disgraceful. Wouldn't be great if the FCC could pull their license because they don't serve the public? Later Fully unsurprised. The content will be immune to even their ridiculous spin. They'll put their own seditious twist on all of it, call it a partisan hack job, etc. etc., play to the millions of rubes and hicks in the heartland, and make their zillions as they have been.

Ceetar Jun 07 2022 07:58 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I mean, most of them should be arrested for treason, so..

batmagadanleadoff Jun 07 2022 08:10 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=Ceetar post_id=95135 time=1654610322 user_id=102] I mean, most of them should be arrested for treason, so..

Rupert Murdoch should be arrested for treason. He's probably caused more damage to the US than anybody else.



That's a disgrace that FOX wont air coverage of the hearings.

seawolf17 Jun 07 2022 09:21 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Because they're only "news" in name. They don't have to cover anything they don't want to. They're no more a news channel than Comedy Central or Lifetime is.

kcmets Jun 07 2022 10:23 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=seawolf17 post_id=95151 time=1654615319 user_id=91]They're no more a news channel than Comedy Central or Lifetime is.

And the same could very often be said about the likes of CNN and a few others.

But that's about the extent I'm gonna dip my big toe in on that subject here.

Ceetar Jun 07 2022 10:30 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

sure but CNN at least isn't supporting insurrection and committing treason. They've merely got the slightly right-leaning bias of most media. But the "impartial" media shouldn't be talking about what hacks like Carlson say or cover any more than do what the Property Brothers say or talk about. (Although it seems like the Property Brothers are much better people than anyone that works at Fox)

Benjamin Grimm Jun 07 2022 11:28 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Fun fact: Their last names aren't actually "Property".

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 07 2022 12:59 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Fun fact: Their last names aren't actually "Property". Fun Fact: Home Improvement TV Personalities have now surpassed lumber and oil as Canada's most valuable export

Lefty Specialist Jun 07 2022 01:42 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

By NOT covering it, Fox can easily spin it as partisan and not important. Because, by their logic, if it really was important, they'd cover it. It's a win-win. They'll also spin the ratings, as I guarantee more people will watch Tucker Carlson than Bennie Thompson. "See? Nothing to see here. Nobody cares."

MFS62 Jun 07 2022 01:47 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

FOX only provides programming approved by their Ministry of Truth. (fuckers) Later

Fman99 Jun 09 2022 07:15 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

It's all essentially known to me. And still riveting. I believe it now as much as I ever did. There are only two kinds of Republicans left in this country - one, the very slight minority of those unafraid of electoral consequences to the expression of their and our truth, and two, craven cowards who hate America.

Ceetar Jun 09 2022 07:18 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=Fman99 post_id=95462 time=1654823745 user_id=86] It's all essentially known to me. And still riveting. I believe it now as much as I ever did. There are only two kinds of Republicans left in this country - one, the very slight minority of those unafraid of electoral consequences to the expression of their and our truth, and two, craven cowards who hate America.

caveat there is that 'slight minority' is merely wishing the others didn't say the quiet part out loud and are trying to politically _represent_ that they're the sane 'back to normal' republican party as if the party hasn't been the party of white supremacy for decades.

Lefty Specialist Jun 09 2022 07:46 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

This Capitol Police officer is riveting, and one tough cookie.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 09 2022 09:18 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The eye-opener for me... I don't think I fully understood how orchestrated the attack was, with the proud boys having breached the capitol at the site to which it was known all the stupid Trumpies would assemble at the time they did-- and of course egged on to go there by you know. Having a wounded cop discussing slipping in blood is gonna be a tough one for the typical Trump chump to combat with counterprogramming. And how fucking stupid and vain can you be to have an embedded documentarian with you to shoot while you meet with other racist terrorists.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 09 2022 09:18 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Oh and fuck Jared

batmagadanleadoff Jun 10 2022 12:15 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Oh and fuck Jared Did I ever tell you how much I despise this loathsome piece of shit and his count wife? (Me and like 200 million others, I hope). Was there ever a word, or even half a word, that either of these two pieces of shit ever uttered in public, that wasn't first calculated to the nth degree, and then 10 times more? You can't believe anything they say because it's all calculated, stripped of its honesty and spontaneity. She's nothing but an opportunist with zero integrity. Of course, they were against the coup all along, they now suggest. Even though they didn't do a fucking thing to dissuade her father the monster from trying to take back the Presidency by violence. She sez that she "believed " Bill Barr that there was no election fraud. Believed. Internal thoughts. Did she ever tell her scumbag father to his face that she thought he was full of shit? What a load of crap her testimony is. Like it matters that she now believes there was no election fraud. The fucking shoe designer and by that, I mean that she steals other designers designs. Just go the fuck away already. This is all bullshit. She's only trying to clean up her image because her liberal Democratic upper society New York friends are shunning her and she doesnt wanna spend the rest of her life surrounded by abortion hating religious nuts and Florida hillbillies. After spending the four years of her father's Presidency doing everything in her power to try and destroy abortion rights. What a fucking phony. When this count typewriter eventually outlives her father, which she should, then she'll open her fucking mouth and blah, blah blah how she was against her father and his policies all along. It'll be sickening to hear. But secretly, she was hoping for the coup to succeed, because with her scumbag monster father back in power, all of the hundreds of millions of dollars he'd get to steal would eventually end up hers. She's another scumbag from that scumbag family who can never have enough money. The hundreds of millions of dollars she already had before her father was even President wasn't enough. No, she had delusional aspirations of one day being President, herself. And this country's in so much trouble that I wouldn't even rule that out, as absurd an outcome as that is. Give me a break with this I believed Bill Barr. That's not even a crumb. I have no doubt that this count has personal first hand knowledge of things her scumbag father did and said that would put him in jail if repeated in a courtroom. When the count testifies to that, while he's still alive , then I'll be impressed.

Lefty Specialist Jun 10 2022 06:17 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Ivanka looks like she has no soul. Those eyes are dead. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/06/09/us/politics/09vid-jan-6-hearing-Ivanka-cover/09vid-jan-6-hearing-Ivanka-cover-videoSmall.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale> And Jared showed once again what a smarmy little bitch he is.

MFS62 Jun 10 2022 06:48 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Considering the way donnie has reacted to anyone who he thinks doesn't agree with him 100%, I'm guessing that he is on the phone right now, trying to take Ivanka out of his will. Later

batmagadanleadoff Jun 10 2022 06:55 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=MFS62 post_id=95483 time=1654865285 user_id=60] Considering the way donnie has reacted to anyone who he thinks doesn't agree with him 100%, I'm guessing that he is on the phone right now, trying to take Ivanka out of his will.

Could be. But I'd bet that she ran all of this before her father and got his approval to say what she said. It's all calculated: how much could she say without hurting her father? Like it fucking means anything that she BELIEVED Bill Barr. And the media's drooling at the count typewriter's feet. It's 2017 all over again. Ivanka's gonna save us. Oh my.



But who knows? Maybe , with all the billions Jared got from the Saudis, the count is figuring that maybe she doesn't need any more of her father's money.

MFS62 Jun 10 2022 08:19 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

My biggest fear about all this is that it could all be for naught from an historical perspective. The old saying is "the winners get to write the history books. And it looks like the deniers and apologists are winning. The Republicans are already starting to control what children are taught and what they can read in many states. As this insidious trend continues, there won't be any place for them to learn about what really happened on Jan. 6th. It isn't just happening at the State level, but in local school boards. And there is no clear indication that the donnie and his minions will be indicted. For anything. In one generation, the evil of that day, the planning, execution and cover-up will be forgotten. Future children may ask "Why did Nixon resign?" and will be able to find out an answer. But after the whitewash of January 6th, I fear similar questions won't even be asked by future generations. Yes, I'm a pessimist but also a realist. Later

Willets Point Jun 10 2022 08:35 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I share your concerns, but what has been under-reported is that in a lot of places where people are running on "anti-CRT/anti-LGBTQ" campaigns for school board (even conservative New Hampshire) the voters are rejecting them for more inclusive candidates. So there is some hope.

Edgy MD Jun 10 2022 12:41 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

“Ivanka Trump did not take part in viewing or investigating the election results,” Trump said on his social media platform Truth Social on Friday morning. “He had long since checked out and I think he was just trying to respect the position of Bill Barri and his attorney general (he was weird!).” — Former President Trump responding to his daughter's testimony Is he calling his daughter a dude?

Ceetar Jun 10 2022 01:34 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Willets Point wrote: I share your concerns, but what has been under-reported is that in a lot of places where people are running on "anti-CRT/anti-LGBTQ" campaigns for school board (even conservative New Hampshire) the voters are rejecting them for more inclusive candidates. So there is some hope. citation needed on "a lot" local politics is a clusterfuck, and I know my town isn't alone in having literally no one running against incumbents, who maybe aren't quite MAGA, but.. (my superintendent has not yet issued a statement that included the word 'vaccine') It's hard to run. There's a lot of gatekeeping, and in some places you gotta register and run nearly a year in advance. My uncle is marginally involved with the CT democratic committee to the point that he was even going to run, was starting up the process of putting up a website and whoops! They had him in the wrong district. Better than my area, we've got almost no democratic committee in this county, so republicans run everything. our house rep is practically a republican, but is still running unopposed. It's not even the dyed in wool grifters you have to worry about. Even fairly democratic people are caving to their demands just so they don't have to deal with criticism. Take the NJ revamped Health curriculum, that the fascist republicans are trying to say is teaching sex to third graders or whatever. It's not. But the principal of the 3rd-6th grade school was careful to say they're putting the "heavier" stuff of the 3-5 block of education on the 5th graders. And of course, parents free to opt out of _education_ if they want.

Lefty Specialist Jun 10 2022 02:29 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

We beat back an anti-gay, anti-CRT loon in our last school board election, but they're relentless and will be back.

MFS62 Jun 10 2022 03:38 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Jared WAS involved. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jared-kushner-trump-jan6-2020-election-1365654/ Later

Willets Point Jun 10 2022 03:46 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I feel like every big revelation that people are twittering about excitedly is something we knew 519 days ago. What other country in history has spent so long dragging their feet on prosecuting the organizers of an attempted coup? It boggles the mind.

MFS62 Jun 10 2022 05:28 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: “Ivanka Trump did not take part in viewing or investigating the election results,” Trump said on his social media platform Truth Social on Friday morning. “He had long since checked out and I think he was just trying to respect the position of Bill Barri and his attorney general (he was weird!).” — Former President Trump responding to his daughter's testimony Is he calling his daughter a dude? Well, she probably has more balls than her husband (and a deeper voice). So ... ? LOL! Later

batmagadanleadoff Jun 11 2022 12:05 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

In which thread do I stick this excerpt? So many choices. It could rightly go in the Politics thread. Or the Court thread. Or maybe a new thread for Wingnut Supreme Ginni Thomas. But it can go in here, just the same. It's a fuck you to Ginni Thomas, Clarence Thomas and John Roberts, the new (Gasp!) "center" of the Supreme Court. Ginni Thomas Was Up to Her Pinwheeling Eyeballs in the Effort to Monkeywrench the Electoral College It's really time for Chief Justice John Roberts to act. Excerpt: The Washington Post breaks yet another story about Ginni Thomas, the wingnut spouse of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, who was up to her pinwheeling eyeballs in the effort to monkeywrench the Electoral College. Thomas sent the messages using FreeRoots, an online platform intended to make it easy to send pre-written emails to multiple elected officials. New documents show that Thomas indeed used the platform to reach many lawmakers simultaneously. On Nov. 9, she sent identical emails to 20 members of the Arizona House and seven Arizona state senators. That represents more than half of the Republican members of the state legislature at the time. The message, just days after media organizations called the race for Biden in Arizona and nationwide, urged lawmakers to “stand strong in the face of political and media pressure” and claimed that the responsibility to choose electors was “yours and yours alone.” They had “power to fight back against fraud” and “ensure that a clean slate of Electors is chosen,” the email said. It's really time for Chief Justice John Roberts to take this matter in hand. A leaked draft memo is small beer ethically compared to an attempt by the spouse of a justice to ratfck a presidential election in such a way that it results in a lawsuit over which her hubby has to sit in judgment. I realize that depriving 50 percent of the population of its privacy rights and eviscerating what remains of our gun-control laws takes up a lot of a person's time, but Roberts might find a moment or two to wonder if one of his colleagues is connected by marriage to a bunch of abject thieves. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a40255944/ginni-thomas-arizona-lawmakers-trump-electoral-college/

Lefty Specialist Jun 11 2022 07:48 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

If Steven Breyer's wife had been this active in party politics, what would Fox News have done? I wonder.....

Edgy MD Jun 11 2022 07:52 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I'm not sure what's to be done from Chief Justice Roberts' persepctive. I'm not sure by what mechanism a chief justice can force an associate justice to recuse him- or herself. I know the legislature can do something, and I know we can do something. I am pessimistic about the impact of these hearings. I fear that it invites the whole country into being what we're best at, which is to be consumers, and the ones who are the actors will continue to be mostly the crazies and the inept.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 11 2022 10:23 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Hopefully a message that it's not the committee pointing fingers at trump but trumps own people pointing fingers trump is the one that seeps in. Not overly optimistic either but I'm gonna watch and hope Garland also watches too.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 11 2022 10:36 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I know I'm partisan here, but really, Clarence Thomas is a disgrace over this scandal and deserves to be impeached and removed from the bench. Which of course, will never happen, especially when the other party controls the White House and the Senate.

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2022 09:56 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

So Bill Barr was and is an arrogant asshole. But the beauty of his testimony is that he was an arrogant asshole right to Trump's face, telling him any talk of fraud was 'bullshit'.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 13 2022 10:00 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: So Bill Barr was and is an arrogant asshole. But the beauty of his testimony is that he was an arrogant asshole right to Trump's face, telling him any talk of fraud was 'bullshit'. This was such an unexpected stance for Barr to take, given his prior history with Trump. What are Barr's principles, and where are Barr's boundaries? And if this is all a principled stance and not just a caclulated move, does this all mean that Barr sincerely believed the truth of the Mueller Report whitewash he engineered a few years earlier in Trump's presidency?

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2022 01:15 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

That testimony tells me that Bill Barr doesn't believe in anybody but Bill Barr. Lying about the Mueller Report was in his best interest, so he did it. But here obviously he felt the best thing to do was to throw Trump under the bus, then back over him a few times. Fun to watch.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2022 10:37 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

If only I could see that there was the metaphorical legal equivalent of a bus coming.

MFS62 Jun 14 2022 06:55 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: If only I could see that there was the metaphorical legal equivalent of a bus coming. Indictment and arraignment are more specific than metaphorical, but they would be nice. Later

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 14 2022 08:35 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Stunning story in the WaPo examining this Jeffrey Clark angle. You should subscribe for a year just to read this [BLOCKQUOTE]“That's right,” Donoghue said he responded. “You're an environmental lawyer. How about you go back to your office, and we'll call you when there's an oil spill.”[/BLOCKQUOTE] [BLOCKQUOTE]Pat Cipollone, the White House counsel, told Trump that Clark's proposed letter was “a murder-suicide pact,” according to Donoghue's deposition. “It's going to damage everyone who touches it. And we should have nothing to do with that letter. I don't ever want to see that letter again.” [/BLOCKQUOTE] Inside the explosive Oval Office confrontation three days before Jan. 6 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/inside-explosive-oval-office-confrontation-three-days-before-jan-6/

Centerfield Jun 14 2022 10:09 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Do you guys get the feeling this will make any difference? The MAGAts I know aren't watching and would rather jump off a bridge than admit they were conned.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 14 2022 10:14 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Garland says he's watching... and threads like who and what motivated Clark beyond hubristic ambition that his colleagues say is not like him... might. I mean, this could be still more massive.

Ceetar Jun 14 2022 10:25 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

so what does it take, specifically? What's the process here, who brings charges and who convicts on them? Who do we need to click the button that says "ARREST THAT MAN!"?

batmagadanleadoff Jun 14 2022 11:18 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

so what does it take, specifically? What's the process here, who brings charges and who convicts on them? Who do we need to click the button that says "ARREST THAT MAN!"? The DOJ brings the charges if they're Federal. A trial jury convicts. Meanwhile, last night on MSNBC, Nicole Wallace wondered why the media is going gaga over Ivanka the count. She didnt flip on her father, said Nicole. She gave us nothing. The panel agreed and I was loving it. The count got her father's seal of approval to say what she said ahead if time, sez me. He has a soft spot for her and she probably did whatever manipulation it took to get him to agree to her testimony, whether it was pleading, crying or throwing tantrums. She wants to look good to her liberal NY friends. She's a liberal herself and she's probably calculating that there's no more future to her pretending she's a bible reading, abortion hating Republican.

Ceetar Jun 14 2022 11:27 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

They effectively ended abortion so they don't have to pretend to hate it anymore. They can simply say "the court says" and talk about the rule of law and all those lies. Seems like she's going the Liz Cheney route: be slightly less evil and position that as the 'middle'

Willets Point Jun 14 2022 11:36 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Looking for the Democratic pundits to start supporting a Liz/Ivanka ticket. You know, for healing.

Edgy MD Jun 14 2022 02:21 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

What it takes is solid indictments of Trump's lieutenants — who then all give up the president. What it also takes is will.

TransMonk Jun 14 2022 04:20 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=Centerfield post_id=95961 time=1655222952 user_id=65] Do you guys get the feeling this will make any difference? The MAGAts I know aren't watching and would rather jump off a bridge than admit they were conned.

I don't hold any fantasies about that orange dude winding up behind bars. No one has voted in a national election since 1/6/21 happened. I'm guessing what the committee is hoping is that the sliver who may have supported Trump reluctantly in 2020 have a well-explained and widely-corroborated reason to NOT vote for him again.



It doesn't really solve the problem any more, though. Trumpism is bigger than Trump now. Six years without any accountability has given a lot of hubris to dangerous dingbats. Plus, the Dems are really horrible at 21st century politics.



We are in a perfect storm of stupidity and chaos. I didn't see much of it coming, but now that it's here, I'm not at all surprised. This is better than ANY wet dream that Putin has ever had.

TransMonk Jun 14 2022 04:38 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

That said, I do think the committee is doing a good job with the communication. They even have coming attractions. One of the former White House lawyers says he told Trump lawyer John Eastman on Jan. 7, "Get a great f'n criminal defense lawyer, you're gonna need it". [TWEET]https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1536815728208355330[/TWEET]

batmagadanleadoff Jun 14 2022 05:10 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Joy Reid reminds us (because who can keep track with all of the chaos that was unleashed daily? You forgoet what you knew in an instant) that the day after count Ivanka the count "agreed with Bill Barr" (As if that's even true. Who knows? And so what if it is true?), she attended the Stop the Steal rally and then tweeted that all of the rioters were great patriots. The Barrs and the Ivankas aren't bad guys now seeking redemption -- they are the bad guys.

TransMonk Jun 14 2022 05:43 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

They're basically all saying he was crazy but they helped him anyway. There is no “Team Normal” in the Trump orbit.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 14 2022 05:54 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Because they're crooks and opportunists. Ivanka's just like her father: the rules dont apply to her because they never have and her father always cleaned up whatever mess she got into. She believed Bill Barr, but she would have preferred that her father successfully stole the 2020 election given all of the massive benefits that would have inured to her.

kcmets Jun 14 2022 05:55 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=TransMonk post_id=95993 time=1655245219 user_id=71]Trumpism is bigger than Trump now.

=TransMonk post_id=95993 time=1655245219 user_id=71]We are in a perfect storm of stupidity and chaos.

This is pretty much my view at the present time NOW!!!

Edgy MD Jun 14 2022 07:36 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I'll take an arrest and prosecution of Trump. I have my whole life to fight Trumpism, but if he dies without seeing the inside of a prison, it emboldens the next arsonist.

Fman99 Jun 15 2022 04:01 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: I'll take an arrest and prosecution of Trump. I have my whole life to fight Trumpism, but if he dies without seeing the inside of a prison, it emboldens the next arsonist. Yep ^

Lefty Specialist Jun 15 2022 05:18 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I'd like an arrest and prosecutiuon of Trump too, but I doubt it'll happen. Merrick Garland is so afraid of looking political he won't step on that third rail. Of course once Republicans are back in power, politics will be all the Justice Department will do. It's why I wanted a kick-ass Attorney General, not the milquetoast we got.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 15 2022 06:00 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: I'd like an arrest and prosecutiuon of Trump too, but I doubt it'll happen. Merrick Garland is so afraid of looking political he won't step on that third rail. Of course once Republicans are back in power, politics will be all the Justice Department will do. It's why I wanted a kick-ass Attorney General, not the milquetoast we got. Merrick'll probably kill whatever investigation the DOJ's got golng of Trump the instant the monster scumbag announces he's running again. And Trump knows this.

Edgy MD Jun 15 2022 07:04 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Lefty Specialist wrote: I'd like an arrest and prosecutiuon of Trump too, but I doubt it'll happen. I wasn't trying to say it would happen. I'm sorry for being unclear. I was responding to ... It doesn't really solve the problem any more, though. Trumpism is bigger than Trump now. It doesn't have to solve the problem, which will always be bigger than one person. But if we're trying to preserve the Republic, it'll be hard to get very far if we give a pass to those who consciously and willfully incited and abetted the assault on it.

MFS62 Jun 15 2022 02:49 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I just got a bad feeling about the testimony so far. Many of tRump's former allies and supporters have turned 180 degrees from their support of him and can't tell their stories of the events before and during Jan 6th quick enough. But these are people who would have fallen on their swords for him. This is too easy. I suspect another motive - those who are saying he was batshit crazy and didn't understand what was happening are actually preparing his defense. One caveat in the law is if he actually believed he was right he can't be found guilty for many of the crimes we suspect. His actions were in good faith. Am I being overly pessimistic? Those guys had a plan for everything. Maybe this is all part of their plan to keep him (and themselves, because if found guilty, he'll throw them all under the bus) out of jail. Let's see how it plays out. Just when you don't think they can't get lower, they do. Later

Edgy MD Jun 15 2022 06:17 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Account after account makes clear he was told repeatedly that he couldn't do this.

MFS62 Jun 15 2022 08:04 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Yes he was. And his defense can say that the fact that he did not comprehend what he was being told and still proceeded on his course of action means he was irrational/ insane. They are the masters of spin. But, if he does get found guilty, he could become a martyr. It will foment real revolution. I'm not very confident in a positive outcome. Later

Ceetar Jun 15 2022 08:50 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

revolution is probably the best outcome. It's hard not to see this country as irreparably broken, by design. Don't worry, I'm sure trump's team has a dementia diagnosis to roll out as a last resort.

Willets Point Jun 15 2022 09:02 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I mean, if he's determined to be mentally ill that will keep him from running in 2024 so it's not all bad. (Not that he won't try).

batmagadanleadoff Jun 15 2022 09:11 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I find it practically impossible to believe that in these polarized times, any prosecutor will be able to get 12 jurors to all agree to convict Trump of anything if it gets that far, no matter what the charges, no matter how powerful the evidence. I think it's true that Trump can walk down 5th Avenue with a rifle and shoot people down in broad daylight for no reason at all and not suffer any consequences. And if I'm exaggerating to make my point, well, only slightly.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 16 2022 07:45 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Geez, just in the last 24 hours: -- "1776 Returns" plan published. --More deets about Eastman-Ginni Thomas, and another scuzbag lawyer determining that "wild riots" would entice the Supremes to take action because they knew they'd exhausted all other legal means. -- Surveillece video of Rep. Loudermilk leading "tourists" taking photos of stairwells and office signs, and other video of "tourists" with sharpened flagpole ends openly fantasizing about assassinating Congress members.

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 08:57 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

If we won't convict a guilty man because we're afraid of revolution, then we are cowards who have lost our nation already.

whippoorwill Jun 16 2022 09:24 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=96136 time=1655349083 user_id=68] I find it practically impossible to believe that in these polarized times, any prosecutor will be able to get 12 jurors to all agree to convict Trump of anything if it gets that far, no matter what the charges, no matter how powerful the evidence. I think it's true that Trump can walk down 5th Avenue with a rifle and shoot people down in broad daylight for no reason at all and not suffer any consequences. And if I'm exaggerating to make my point, well, only slightly.

I think you're right

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 09:57 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I'm certain that President Trump would suffer consequences if he walked down Fifth Avenue with a rifle shooting people, or if he walked down Fifth Avenue with a rifle not shooting people, or if walked down Fifth Avenue without a rifle. I feel pretty strongly that he will never walk down Fifth Avenue again at all. He's a pariah, and he and his family will spend the rest of their lives living behind walls and swelling phalanxes of security — in safe spaces with pre-selected companions of gray people in gray clothes. And if he never sees the inside of a prison, the least we can do is have the heart to make those places smaller and more oppressive every day.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 10:22 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I have a few (former) friends who won't speak to me any more because of my anti- trump stance. We made it through the whole presidency and 'got along' but now six-seven years later they've smoked so much trump crack that they're at a point of no return. To quote the cheesedoodleface, "sad." I was called a libtard last weekend. I'm the most non-party moderate you'll ever meet.

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 09:54 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

You're also not tardy. Even Eastman, the guy who cooked up the crazy scheme, has testified that he told President Trump it was illegal. If the president's counsel wants to go ahead with an insanity plea, I would welcome that.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 17 2022 11:08 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Trump sez he never told Pence to overturn election results.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 17 2022 11:22 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=96311 time=1655485705 user_id=68] Trump sez he never told Pence to overturn election results.

He also sez he wasn't even in DC on January 6th. And that he was out golfing where he shot five holes in one.

MFS62 Jun 17 2022 11:25 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=96311 time=1655485705 user_id=68] Trump sez he never told Pence to overturn election results.

If so, Pence is the only person in America he didn't call to try to get to overturn the election.



Later

Edgy MD Jun 17 2022 04:16 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

He's welcome to say that under oath before the nation. Otherwise, it's worth less than nothing.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 20 2022 05:38 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Good, sensible opinion column in the Washington Post We need a plan to deny the election deniers victory https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/19/we-need-plan-deny-election-deniers-victory-midterms-election/ Hoping the nuttiest contenders in these contests for election-related posts will lose is not a viable plan; it's a recipe for disaster. (Didn't millions of people make that error in 2016?) Instead of wishful thinking, the media, Democrats, independents, sane Republicans, donors and retired officials all have a role to play to defend the sanctity of elections. First, the media has an obligation to identify the election deniers running for these critical roles, confront their lies and refuse to treat them like ordinary politicians. No responsible editorial board should endorse election deniers for posts with responsibility for elections. Second, Democrats from President Biden on down must focus their fire on election deniers and persuade voters that no policy issue justifies putting these people in office. Biden will need to give more than a single speech; he will need to campaign coast to coast to convince voters it is essential not to put (or keep) in office people who would deny Trump's betrayal and encourage insurrection as a political tool. Democrats should invite independents and democracy-loving Republicans to vote against election deniers, particularly those who would administer elections. Nominees running against such candidates should make every effort to reach out to those who would ordinarily vote Republican and make clear that they'll listen to their views, represent their interests and protect democracy on their behalf. Third, responsible Republicans politicians (looking at you, Sen. Mitt Romney), retired politicians (that's you, former president George W. Bush), sober Republican donors and former GOP officials (now is your chance to earn redemption, former attorney general William P. Barr) should use their influence to defeat the deniers. They aren't going to reach the hardcore MAGA voters, but they can influence run-of-the-mill Republican voters or Republican-leaning voters. In an ideal world, this sort of unified campaign would be marshaled against election deniers running for all offices, including for the House and Senate, but given the sheer number of candidates who pose a threat to the country, democracy defenders would do well to focus on those running for posts with the power to certify elections. The most immediate concern should be to safeguard the country from future coups.

Ceetar Jun 20 2022 07:47 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

sorry, I strained a muscle rolling an eye again at yet another media posts that suggests even part of the solution is "cater to the less evil republicans" the media needs to do the first part, Biden should do that part. but the Democratic party should embrace the young progressive voters that are much more likely to actually _vote_ if you represent their interests. Like, seriously, you're gonna cater to republicans like "okay, look, we won't codify Roe vs Wade if you vote for us this time" instead of "hey, let's protect reproductive rights for everyone, and codify to right to healthcare and bodily autonomy". There's anyone that thinks the second group isn't orders of magnitude bigger, and more responsive? But of course not, because the Democrats are basically the conservative party and agree with the republicans a lot more than is sensible. and THAT's why people say both parties are the same. Because what's the difference between actively trashing the planet/democracy/privacy and simply doing nothing to prevent other's from trashing it?

Edgy MD Jun 20 2022 07:56 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I don't think I read anything about catering.

Ceetar Jun 20 2022 08:15 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

such candidates should make every effort to reach out to those who would ordinarily vote Republican and make clear that they'll listen to their views, represent their interests Under no circumstances should a candidate "listen" to the idea that women don't have the right to their own body. Nope, they can fuck right off and get better views. Of course, most of these people are fictional. 'sane Republicans'? Like this Kinzinger guy who dared to be the lone republican to vote to do the 25th amendment thing? hell no. NO: Vote to pass a bill that establishes within the Department of State the Office to Monitor and Combat Islamophobia and addresses related issues. NO: Vote to pass a bill that establishes a statutory right for health care professionals to provide abortions. NO: Vote to pass a bill that establishes requirements and incentives to limit the use of perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl substances, commonly referred to as PFAS, and to remediate PFAS in the environment. NO: every iteration of the voting rights bills. These are the "sane republicans" this author is suggesting democrats cater to instead of a vast swath of progressives.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2022 09:12 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The full sentence is "Nominees running against such candidates should make every effort to reach out to those who would ordinarily vote Republican and make clear that they'll listen to their views, represent their interests and protect democracy on their behalf." Getting elected means making a case to the electorate — selling them on the notion that your presumably better views are in their interests. So I'm certain Ms. Rubin wants the same as you. A country with better views. "Fuck right off" might be the campaign slogan you want your candidate to run on, but I don't think it's going to work too well for my candidate. Ms. Rubin was not writing about politicians, like Congressman Kinzinger, in that passage, she was writing about voters.

Ceetar Jun 20 2022 11:52 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I don't give a crap about "Getting elected" I care about public service. I understand few politicians care about this, which is why it's politically viable to take money from nasty 'sane republicans' instead of making the world better, but that doesn't mean I don't have to find the tactic despicable. Stop trying to compromise with voters that are fine with police or controlling women and engage the disenfranchised people who want to able to afford healthcare, houses, or simply have breathable air in a decade. Every "sane republican" you court is 10 Gen Z voters you lose.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2022 02:00 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I'd like to see that math. I have no doubt that Democratic candidates work hard to win Gen Z voters.

metsmarathon Jun 20 2022 03:02 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

sigh. you court "sane republicans" or at least republican voters by explaining to them how progressive and liberal policies make their lives easier, better, richer, etc. and you adapt progressive policies to actually be better for governance than simply for getting likes on twitter, or high fives from AOC. none of that should scare away gen Z. there are a fuck ton of people who have fallen for a fucking cult. the case needs to be made to them, better, and in both individual and mass ways, that they have been led astray, and the progressive policies are not the bogeymen they have been made out to be. and by defending your policies, by actually explaining the benefits - instead of just touting how uncomfortable they make old white men - you actually improve your policies and make them more robust, more appealing, and more gooder for all americans. if all you're about is driving off the trumpers, are you really all that much better than some fucking idiot red-hat who's out to own the libs?

Ceetar Jun 20 2022 10:06 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

sigh. you court "sane republicans" or at least republican voters by explaining to them how progressive and liberal policies make their lives easier, better, richer, etc. and you adapt progressive policies to actually be better for governance than simply for getting likes on twitter, or high fives from AOC. none of that should scare away gen Z. there are a fuck ton of people who have fallen for a fucking cult. the case needs to be made to them, better, and in both individual and mass ways, that they have been led astray, and the progressive policies are not the bogeymen they have been made out to be. and by defending your policies, by actually explaining the benefits - instead of just touting how uncomfortable they make old white men - you actually improve your policies and make them more robust, more appealing, and more gooder for all americans. if all you're about is driving off the trumpers, are you really all that much better than some fucking idiot red-hat who's out to own the libs? Yes. Yes you are. Aggressively supporting eliminating the police or bodily autonomy or universal basic income is lightyears better than supporting genocide, misogyny and fascism. All of the things just about every single republican lawmaker is voting for. Openingly. for years. But sure, explain to their voters who happily pulled the trigger for people storming the capital that "actually, legal abortions and comprehensive healthcare is the best way to limit the amount of abortions that happen". That'll get 'em. Don't worry about the scores of people turning 18 turning a supposed Democrat administration watching as they're told their bodies are the governments to control. I'm sure those people will happily run out to the poll for you! You failed to give them a minimum wage increase or forgive student loan debt. There. Are. No. Sane. Republicans. to believe otherwise is both sides nonsense. Most people want abortion protection, gun control, HEALTHCARE and all these other supposed crazy progressive things that are like Modern Society 101. Bottom Line. No one should be trying to do anything with these people than STRIKING THEIR NAMES FROM THE BALLOT. If you were involved in 1/6, you should be banned from appearing on a ballot, flat out. THAT is the plan to keep these people out of the government, making trying to overthrow it disqualifying from running it. Democrats should invite independents and democracy-loving Republicans to vote against election deniers This is so insane. Democrats need to stop with the VOTE HARDER nonsense as the counter to cheating. It's like if the Yankees got to play all their half innings at their place, while pitching to the opponents in Petco. And then Joe Buck got on the mic and was like "well, the other teams should just hit the ball harder against Yankees pitching if they want to win!"

batmagadanleadoff Jun 22 2022 12:10 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Joy Reid reminds us (because who can keep track with all of the chaos that was unleashed daily? You forgoet what you knew in an instant) that the day after count Ivanka the count "agreed with Bill Barr" (As if that's even true. Who knows? And so what if it is true?), she attended the Stop the Steal rally and then tweeted that all of the rioters were great patriots. The Barrs and the Ivankas aren't bad guys now seeking redemption -- they are the bad guys. Two-faced lying count. Fucking fraud. Manipulator. Schemer. Opportunist. Crook. Count. Ivanka Trump expressed a different view on the election to a filmmaker. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/21/us/politics/ivanka-trump-election.html Excerpt: Ivanka Trump, the elder daughter of former President Donald J. Trump, told a documentary film crew in the middle of December 2020 that her father should “continue to fight until every legal remedy is exhausted” because people were questioning “the sanctity of our elections.” [***] [T]he small piece of it seen by The Times was striking for how it shows Ms. Trump using a different tone in describing her father's efforts to overturn the outcome than she did in the portion of her deposition to the House committee that has been made public so far. The interview for the documentary was conducted on Dec. 10, 2020, the person with access to the video said. That was nine days after a public statement by Attorney General William P. Barr, who declared at the time that there was no widespread fraud impacting the election's outcome, a rare public rebuke of Mr. Trump's claims at the time. In her recorded interview with the House committee, Ms. Trump said that Mr. Barr's comments “affected my perspective.” “I respect Attorney General Barr so I accepted what he said,” she said. [***] Yet in the video with the filmmaker, Ms. Trump, describing her father's gains in votes among key demographic groups, had a different reaction when asked whether she had a “take” on her father's “very clear position on the results and what's going on.” “I think that, as the president has said, every single vote needs to be counted and needs to be heard, and he campaigned for the voiceless,” Ms. Trump replied. “And I think a lot of Americans feel very, very disenfranchised right now, and really, question the sanctity of our elections, and that's not right, it's not acceptable.” She went on, “And he has to take on this fight. Look, you fight for what you love the most and he loves this country and he loves this country's people, and he wants to make sure that their voice is, is heard and not muted.” She said that he “will continue to fight until every legal remedy is exhausted and that's what he should do.”

batmagadanleadoff Jun 22 2022 01:12 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

You know what? When Count Ivanka sez that she really respects Bill Barr, what she's really saying is that the Mueller Report is bullshit and a witch hunt. Count.

Lefty Specialist Jun 22 2022 02:35 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Ron Johnson, co-conspirator. https://images.axios.com/1mTZZSCa-3UZ-eNsDmsLRAVQ5qs=/2022/06/21/1655836931852.png>

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 23 2022 07:24 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 23 2022 08:21 PM

So it turns out one of my closest friends... went to school with Jeffrey Clark, who was the valedictorian of his graduating class. Says he was a widely hated, half-bald dick even then, and that some of my friend's other classmates over the past weeks-- specifically, those still connected to him through LinkedIn, had been in receipt of probing phone calls from the FBI. This is big.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2022 07:40 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Unsurprising. It fits the profile of the guys at the top of the MAGA feeding chain. Also unsurprising that despite being a high-achieving student, he still needed to try and pull a fast one to get ahead, no matter what that meant selling out. He strikes me as massively desperate to prove something to the world. In fact, high achieving student liked by no one and willing to sell anyone out to prove himself kind of describes Ted Cruz to a T, doesn't it? I also have a surprisingly strong need to find out if Chris Hodgson is related to Roger Hodgson from Supertramp. Also I hate that a bunch of Trump's gray men big-leagued an environmental lawyer and told him they'd call him if there was an oil spill, and fate has put me in the position of rooting for them.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 23 2022 08:28 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

There's more. Now this is according to a guy I dearly love, in a way that you know how your friends can at times. stretch the truth, but here's what he says. Clark became the valedictorian as a result of scandal at the school... ratting on a cheating scheme he himself was in on, in a way so as ensnare a rival.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 23 2022 08:30 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Clark became the valedictorian as a result of scandal at the school... ratting on a cheating scheme he himself was in on, in a way so as ensnare a rival. Diabolical.

kcmets Jun 23 2022 08:53 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Half bald dick? Hair, really? Just asking.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2022 09:31 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The dude BA'd out of Harvard, so I'm guessing the cheating scandal was in high school?

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 24 2022 04:44 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Yes, Father Judge, a big catholic school in Philly. My friend's "story behind the story" is relayed this way by Clark's victim-rival in the Philly Inquirer. [BLOCKQUOTE]Jahn, now a biology professor at the State University of New York-Orange, said he remembered Clark as a serious and thoughtful student eager to impress by racking up academic titles and prestige, but one who wasn't afraid to take a moral stand. When one of their fellow students obtained answers to a test in advance, Jahn recalled, Clark turned him in for cheating. “It was a difficult decision to make and made him a bit unpopular with the others in our class,” Jahn said. “But I obviously follow the news … and I'm concerned about the stand he didn't take.”[/BLOCKQUOTE] Elsewhere in the story, you get a dotted line. [BLOCKQUOTE]But his failure to snag one distinction stuck in his craw for years, said Jahn, his former high school classmate. Their senior yearbook lists Jahn as the top-ranked student in their graduating class, a distinction that was accurate at the time of the yearbook's printing but that Clark had rightfully earned once the final grades of the term had come in. “It really bothered him ... ,” Jahn recalled. “He would say things like ‘Oh, I should have been listed first'” in the yearbook. Clark was apparently still bothered by the mistake decades later and brought it up again when they saw each other at their 20th high school reunion, Jahn said[/BLOCKQUOTE]

Edgy MD Jun 27 2022 02:46 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I can only guess what's going down, but a surprise hearing has been called for 1:00 tomorrow, after most of Congress left Washington for a two-week recess. There had been no further hearings scheduled until July, but something apparently couldn't wait. I can't comment as to whether it not the hearing is related to Clark's high school ranking as indicated in the class yearbook, but I will point out that this new hearing is popping up shortly after Clark's home was raided. I'd be a little surprised if this is to already air material from that raid, but, I've been wrong often enough since 2015 that I will consider myself open to the idea.

kcmets Jun 27 2022 02:54 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

This better be big, or they're gonna be further portrayed as the bbbyyy... Would be funny if one of the kids or his wife throws him under the bus, but I'm not delusional enough to think the PointsBet odds on that are very good.

Edgy MD Jun 27 2022 03:27 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

It would be pretty stunning if they're going to air evidence they seized four days ago, but I just don't know.

MFS62 Jun 27 2022 03:31 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

There was so much information in the videos they also subpoenaed from that British TV producer that I doubt they've been able to view and digest it all in one week. So, if something big they found in Clark's info was so earth shaking they decided to go on it even before all of it has been analyzed, it could be that. But my money is on one of the key people they wanted to testify has finally agreed to do it and they want to make sure they do before they change their mind. Later

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 07:49 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

It looks like the witness-who-we-couldn't-wait-on is going to be Cassidy Hutchinson, aide to Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. Ms. Hutchinson had testified before in closed-door sessions, but has recently switched lawyers in a move that commentator Ambler Moss says could be signalling an intent by Ms. Hutchinson to "show us the plan."

kcmets Jun 28 2022 08:01 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: Ms. Hutchinson had testified before in closed-door sessions, but has recently switched lawyers in a move that commentator Ambler Moss says could be signalling an intent by Ms. Hutchinson to "show us the plan." That's pretty seltzer-spitting funny. Hand me that towel.

TransMonk Jun 28 2022 08:30 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

[fimg=500]https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/5O4RBTXW2II6ZAO3VQD2HFFINM.jpg&w=916[/fimg] Her taped deposition testimony has already been used at prior hearings. She rattled off the list of congresspeople calling Meadows' office looking for pardons. That she has more to say seem pretty big.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 11:08 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

First-hand observations of President Trump's conduct coming.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 11:16 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Implicating Mayor Giuliani as having knowledge of the riot aforehand.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 11:17 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Implicating Chief of Staff Meadows too. Meadows apprehensive, Giuliani excited.

MFS62 Jun 28 2022 11:20 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I hope the DOJ is watching, with indictments ready. Later

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 11:30 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Meadows was briefed on how armed the crowd was and was all "meh." President was briefed first.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 11:35 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

President was pissed that armed people weren't allowed in the rally space, because the weapons weren't to hurt him, so they were OK. Then they can march, armed, to the Capitol.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 11:40 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

She's suggesting that Meadows was hiding his communication from her as the riot began. He explicitly didn't react when briefed about the violence going down.

MFS62 Jun 28 2022 11:45 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Looks like Meadows is going to take the hit for his Don. The buck will stop at him. Later

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 11:48 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

"Did the idea of the president marching with the crowd to the Capitol come up?" "Walking to the Capitol? No." "How about driving to the Capitol?" "Yes."

kcmets Jun 28 2022 11:54 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I'm a little behind on pause delays but this is quite riveting. Wish she'd stop saying 'something to the effect of' but I guess it's kosher.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 11:56 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

When the president climbed into the SUV, he was told that they wouldn't be able to go to the Capitol, and he tore apart his security detail and attempted to take the steering wheel away from his driver. The president physically assaulted his own security.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 11:57 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Kayleigh MacEnany is still disgraceful.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:00 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

He threw his lunch against the wall when AG Barr announced they hadn't found fraud. NOT the only incident where the president threw dishes. Also known to clear tables by tearing away the tablecloth and sending everything flying.

MFS62 Jun 28 2022 12:09 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: NOT the only incident where the president threw dishes. Also known to clear tables by tearing away the tablecloth and sending everything flying. He'll claim it was a magic trick. And, there was never any doubt that Countess* Kayleigh MacEnany is still disgraceful. Thanks for these up dates. I'm at work and can't follow the hearings live. Later * IIRC, we have Batmags to thank for that one.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:19 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I don't care what he'll claim. Night before the rally, Roger Stone and General Flynn were in contact with Chief of Staff Meadows at the president's direction.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:23 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

She's got the black-scoop-neck-knit-top-and-light-colored-business-jacket look down.

MFS62 Jun 28 2022 12:23 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

That was me being sarcastic about the magic trick. With the info that they met the night before, a case is building toward a conspiracy charge. Later

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:29 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

She heard the president and his council discussing the "Hang Mike Pence" chants. The chief of staff told the council that the president didn't think they (the rioters in the Capitol) were doing anything wrong with regard to those chants.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:36 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

His request to allow armed supporters into his rally demonstrates the lie in his assertion that embedded Antifa agents were responsible for the violence.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:45 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

She witnessed Secretary Pompeo and Chief of Staff Meadows discussing the 25th Amendment.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:47 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Staff wrote him a call-to-national-healing speech and he was refusing. Every time somebody put something in his remarks to condemn the rioters or call them violent, he crossed it out, and made noise about preparing to pardon them.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:50 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The primary message to him was that he had to make a speech not for the country, but as a cover to protect himself from The 25th Amendment threat and the impeachment threat. Both Chief of Staff Meadows and the president wanted to put language about pardoning the rioters in the speech. Mayor Giuliani and Chief of Staff Meadows both sought presidential pardons with respect to the events of January 6.

MFS62 Jun 28 2022 12:52 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: Night before the rally, Roger Stone and General Flynn were in contact with Chief of Staff Meadows at the president's direction. Was any information disclosed about what was done at that meeting? Later

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:53 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Congresswoman Cheney: "We have received evidence of one particular practice that raises concern.": ... Many individuals they have contacted have described witness tampering and witness intimidation.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:56 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

No committee members got to speak except the chair and the vice-chair. Chairman closes his comments calling out to witnesses taking the fifth, or claiming truthfully or falsely to forget details, to still come forward.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 12:57 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

She's done. She's apparently only 25 years old.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 01:01 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

General Flynn took the Fifth on abstract questions that wouldn't actually implicate him ("Do you believe in the peaceful transfer of power?") but would have put him in the crosshairs of President Trump and his followers.

kcmets Jun 28 2022 01:20 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I don't know why they keep saying she's 25. No way...

kcmets Jun 28 2022 01:25 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Wiki sez she's 25.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 01:26 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Yeah, she looked older to me. Also, I'd like repeat that the president tried to hijack his own limo. Edgy MD wrote: Night before the rally, Roger Stone and General Flynn were in contact with Chief of Staff Meadows at the president's direction. Was any information disclosed about what was done at that meeting? Later They were in touch by phone. At the urging of Ms. Hutchison and White House Council Ciplione, the chief of staff didn't meet with these malefactors in person before the rally (bad optics) but instead called into the meeting, as if that should make a difference. Probably a better chance today than yesterday that Meadows is looking at real trouble, but if he's smart and lucky, his lawyers can foot-drag him to the grave. Meadows' predecessor and former House Freedom Caucus buddy Mick Mulvaney has endorsed Ms. Hutchinson's testimony and character. I think it's pretty amazing that she was 22 or 23 and chief aide to the chief of staff. It tells you just how untouchable the West Wing had become for anybody with a valuable CV.

Willets Point Jun 28 2022 01:35 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: She's done. She's apparently only 25 years old. It's reassuring to know that despite all the foolish things I did before I was 25, I never got a job working for a narcissistic Fascist nutjob.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 01:36 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I'm not sure I can say the same. Probably?

MFS62 Jun 28 2022 01:39 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Willets Point wrote: It's reassuring to know that despite all the foolish things I did before I was 25, I never got a job working for a narcissistic Fascist nutjob sociopath. I fixed that for you because of his disinterest about (or being in favor of) Mike Pence being hanged. Later

Willets Point Jun 28 2022 01:44 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Thanks. There are probably a whole list of adjectives you could add, none of them good.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 02:29 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I tended to go with openly malicious, mendacious, incoherent, proudly uninformed, syntax mangling, xenophobic, authoritarian, Know Nothing, dictator-loving, scandalous, sybarite, cowardly, misanthropic, un-American, reactionary, small, angry, petty bully. But I'm sure there are plenty I've missed.

MFS62 Jun 28 2022 02:33 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

A not-so-brief, but accurate, description. LOL! Later

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 28 2022 03:12 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Ender Inciarte in and active; Plummer to Syracuse

MFS62 Jun 28 2022 03:23 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Ender Inciarte in and active; Plummer to Syracuse I suspect this might be in the wrong thread. Later

TransMonk Jun 28 2022 04:35 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Willets Point wrote: Edgy MD wrote: She's done. She's apparently only 25 years old. It's reassuring to know that despite all the foolish things I did before I was 25, I never got a job working for a narcissistic Fascist nutjob. This. I've heard a lot of heads and pundits laud her as a hero for her testimony today. Fuck that...she could have brought this information to light 16 months ago during the sociopath's second impeachment and saved us all a year of our current level of bullshit. Is her career likely over? Will she be a MAGA target? Probably yes on both counts. But she knew what she was joining when she went to work in the White House (for the President's fourth(?) COS, BTW). It was a known viper den and she hopped in. Other than the cops, no one who testifies gets any sympathy from me for any ramifications for FINALLY coming forward. Pence, too. WhAt A cOuRaGeOuS gUy FoR bEiNg WiLlInG tO cErTiFy ThE eLeCtOrS aFtEr ThE rIoT! Spare me. It was his job...the least he could do.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 06:27 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I come neither to praise her nor damn her. I want the guilty prosecuted, and that frequently means testimony from witnesses I wouldn't want to vacation with.

TransMonk Jun 28 2022 06:44 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Agreed. I wasn't aiming in your direction...more generally.

Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 06:49 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I haven't taken a vacation in forever anyhow.

Lefty Specialist Jun 29 2022 06:06 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The 'grabbing the steering wheel' stuff is juicy gossip that'll be hard to confirm, but the 'let them in and take down the metal detectors, they're not here to shoot ME' is what's really chilling.

Edgy MD Jun 29 2022 10:54 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

The air of competence and the lack of farce aside, I'm kind of regretting the absence of opposition members on this committee. I'd expect any cross-examination to be a grandstanding shitshow, but it would lend the testimony more weight if she were to withstand it. And a Congress member calling her testimony hearsay (which some of it certainly is) could increase pressure on the figures in the room (or car) for those events to testify.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:25 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Here comes the Cipollone testimony.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:29 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Cipollone says Meadows agreed that the president needed to concede. Kayleigh McEnany and Ivanka Trump as well. They have several officials testifying to telling him that he was out of options and he had lost.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:34 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

AG Barr explicitly told the president that the "rigged voting machine" scenario was "complete nonsense" and doing "a grave, grave disservice to the country." Cipollone agreed and told the president so.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:37 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Barr had to explicitly refuse to seize voting machines. President attempted to draft executive order to direct Secretary of Defense to do it instead. Sidney Powell was then going to be the special counsel investigating the machines. Cipollone had to denounce this. He and Barr insisted there was no probable cause and no authority for Defense to seize shit. "I don't understand why I have to tell you why that's a bad idea. It's a terrible idea." They spent hours shooting holes in all the bullshit Powell and General Flynn tried to sell him.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:41 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Commissioner Kerick: "... impossible to conclude whether there was widespread fraud or sufficient fraud to influence the election."

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:43 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Deputy Campaign Manager: Mayor Giuliani never had any evidence. Guiliani (and this isn't new) acknowledged they had no evidence but lots of theories. Cassidy Hutchinson said they weren't looking for evidence but Constitutional loopholes.

kcmets Jul 12 2022 11:44 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Cipollone hitting for the cycle in the first three innings today.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:45 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

He kind of is. A fight threatened to break out in the Oval Office during screaming match between Sidney Powell/her crackpot enablers (like Overstock.com guy) and the president's senior staff. The enablers somehow had bullshitted themselves in.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:47 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

At one point, General Flynn took out a wacky diagram showing how many foreign powers (including the late Hugo Chavez) were tampering with voting machines.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:49 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Sidney Powell does not come across as a stable psyche.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:50 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Mayor Giuliani called Trump's staffers "a bunch of pussies." That's Giuliani's account. Staff challenged him to back up his bullshit with his fists.

MFS62 Jul 12 2022 11:53 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

And this isn't even the juiciest stuff. We're still awaiting the evidence (supposedly coming later today) tying the Teflon Don directly to the groups that attacked the Capitol. But the AHA! moment I'm waiting for is someone saying he KNEW he had lost and still proceeded. Up to now, there has been nothing to contradict him saying he truly believed he had won. Later

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 11:53 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Cassidy Hutchinson texted that "The Oval Office is unhinged." President attempted to give Ms. Powell security clearance.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:01 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Clips from right-wing commentators calling for supporters to assault Capitol. Alex Jones should be in the sub-basement of a federal penitentiary. Mayor Giuliani is an American tragedy. He had to be escorted out of The White House by the chief of staff to make sure he didn't reverse field. Twitter exec acknowledged that the president should have been suspended a long time ago, and would have if he were anybody else.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:08 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

They're quoting all the disgusting social media postings excited that January 6 will be a bloodbath for Democrats. I think it's going to take some effort to legally trace the President's "things will be wild" to their response, but I certainly have my feelings. But I'm not sure I want to hear Congressmembers read Tweets. Ten-minute recess.

kcmets Jul 12 2022 12:10 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

This is too whacky for me to put in words. (I'm on tape delay lol)

MFS62 Jul 12 2022 12:16 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: President attempted to give Ms. Powell security clearance. Of all the things you have mentioned, this might be the scariest of all. Later

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:17 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

They're working very hard to (a) tie this all to the president, and (b) tie it all to white supremacy.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:18 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

This is too whacky for me to put in words. (I'm on tape delay lol) The idea that these clowns bullshitted their way into the Oval Office without an appointment is amazing. All I had to do was tell him what he wanted to hear and apparently I'd have been invited in. There doesn't even seem to be any consensus as to whether she was appointed anything. He seemed to think that just declaring it so made it so, but others insist that no paperwork was done. And HOLY SHIT!! Insurrectionist Stephen Ayres is about to testify!! [fimg=600]https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/stephen-ayres-ht-jef-220711_1657551394160_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg[/fimg]

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:27 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Former Oathkeeper spokesperson Jason Van Tatenhove also teed up to testify.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:37 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

An alliance was explicitly declared among Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and Florida 3%ers, and they shared tactical information and maps. General Flynn consulted with them. Photo evidence.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:38 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Roger Stone was in regular encrypted contact with the alliance. Recall that Stone and General Flynn were both pardoned by our horrible president.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:47 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Campaign spokesperson Katrina Pierson was trying to raise red flags to Meadows and the president that they were in bed with really bad persons. She says it was documented beforehand (but he chose not to make it wildly known) that he had every intention of telling attendees to march to Capitol. Inside correspondence said "It cannot get out..." that the president was going to sic them on the Capitol. As close to the vest as the call to march was supposed to be, terrorist Ali Alexander apparently knew it was coming, suggesting coordination.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:51 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Several Congress members (most of the ones you think) were present at the meeting pressuring the justice department to "just say" the election was corrupt and "leave the rest to us."

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:54 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Cippoline was locked out of 1/4 meeting between president and John Eastman, who acknowledged they would lose 9-0 if his theory about the VP having authority to reject electors was presented to the Supreme Court.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 12:57 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Bannon spoke to the president on 1/5 just before announcing on his clodcast that "all Hell is going to break loose ... it's not going to happen like you think it will ... strap in."

Frayed Knot Jul 12 2022 01:04 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

As or more of the several 4th year of Trump books that I read last year put it, there were two things Guiliani was good at during that time: farting; drinking.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:06 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Nameless twitter exec sounds like me. Clearheaded about what needed to be done, anticipating what would happen if nothing would be done, but had no leadership skills to get the corporation to act.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:10 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

It was only at the last minute, after a call with Steven Miller, that the president included the lines about VP Pence doing the allegedly right and courageous thing. Legal advisor talked speech writers out of using the line, but after the president had one more bitchy conversation with VP, he had the lines re-inserted.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:13 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

There was only one scripted reference to Pence in the speech. He ad-libbed seven more. "Fight like hell ... you can't take back your country with weakness." were not scripted. Neither was his pledge to join them at the Capitol.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:15 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Brad Parscale blamed himself for supporting the president and explicitly. Texted to others that Trump's rhetoric killed people. Here comes the insurgents' testimony.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:18 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Van Tatenhove: "Oathkeepers may not like to call themselves a militia, but they are. They're a violent militia." "The best description for what they are is what we witnessed on January 6. Coordinated military action." Stuart Rhodes is a charismatic paramilitary leader and he is the Oath Keepers and they are him.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:21 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Holocaust denialism was the straw that broke the camel's back with Van Tatenhove, and he put in his resignation.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:26 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Cheney: "Do you still believe the election was stolen?" Ayres: "Not so much now." Me: He knows a bunch of reasons to disbelieve the nonsense, but he's still detoxing. He "definitely" would have made other choices if he knew the president had no evidence.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:27 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Ayres is a big old sap.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:28 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

On the march, he kept hearing about a "big reveal" that was coming.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:29 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

He instantly left when the president told him to. He says everybody more or less did.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:35 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Van Tatenhove is afraid the worst may be yet to come. He thinks we're very lucky not to have had more bloodshed.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:39 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Ayres seems like, if Trump told him there were listening devices in his teeth fillings, he'd have them removed or pull them out himself.

kcmets Jul 12 2022 01:54 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I don't particularly care for Raskin for whatever reasons but this but this was a good one: "The Watergate break-in was like a Cub Scout meeting compared to this assault on our people and our institutions."

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 01:55 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Yeah, his closing comments were compelling. Co-Chair Cheney closes by stating that the former president is still tampering with witnesses as recently as this last week.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 12 2022 02:03 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Good reporting here, sorry I'm mised it live

MFS62 Jul 12 2022 02:08 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, his closing comments were compelling. Co-Chair Cheney closes by stating that the former president is still tampering with witnesses as recently as this last week. If here are recordings of that conversation, that should be a slam dunk prosecution/conviction. No need to wait for other charges. If they don't, the defense team can chalk it up as hearsay. Later

Ceetar Jul 12 2022 02:08 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/GothamGirlBlue/status/1546946156982374404[/TWEET]

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 02:17 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Today wasn't all that much that wasn't known, but having it put together and making me feel like I'm in the room makes me want to scream and pull an emergency brake to stop the train.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 02:21 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

But a cooperative Cippolone corroborating what we already had was strong.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2022 02:44 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

House Republicans who attended the 12/21 meeting strategizing on how to overturn the election: [list=1] [*]Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama [*]Rep. Brian Babin of Texas [*]Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona [*]Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida [*]Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas [*]Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona [*]Rep. Andy Harris of Maryland [*]Rep. Jody Hice of Georgia [*]Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio [*]Rep. Scott Perry of Pennsylvania [*]Rep-elect Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia [/list] So yeah, I mentioned that they were the folks you thought would be there, but apparently Rep. Lauren Boebert wasn't included. Of the 11, six are known to have asked for pardons. As reported above, White House Counsel Pat Cipollone says he tried to attend the meeting himself, but was turned away.

Lefty Specialist Jul 13 2022 12:02 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

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Edgy MD Jul 13 2022 12:03 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

What's missing is the rounding up.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 13 2022 01:45 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: House Republicans who attended the 12/21 meeting strategizing on how to overturn the election: [list=1] [*]Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama [*]Rep. Brian Babin of Texas [*]Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona [*]Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida [*]Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas [*]Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona [*]Rep. Andy Harris of Maryland [*]Rep. Jody Hice of Georgia [*]Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio [*]Rep. Scott Perry of Pennsylvania [*]Rep-elect Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia [/list] So yeah, I mentioned that they were the folks you thought would be there, but apparently Rep. Lauren Boebert wasn't included. Of the 11, six are known to have asked for pardons. As reported above, White House Counsel Pat Cipollone says he tried to attend the meeting himself, but was turned away. I'm surprised MTG was in on that meeting. She's an idiot. For real. Who happens to be fabulously wealthy. What could she have possibly added besides grade school level own the lib insults?

Edgy MD Jul 13 2022 01:53 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I don't think they were looking for brilliant planners but loyal soldiers. This wasn't to hatch a plan. They had a plan. John Eastman's plan, which even Eastman acknowledged was legally insupportable, so they needed fools who would carry it out anyway. She hadn't even been sworn in yet. What better time to demand of her her very soul, which she clearly couldn't wait to give up? Smart people were either (1) being locked out of the room because they were trying to stop this, of (2) heading for the lifeboats.

Ceetar Jul 13 2022 02:06 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I'm surprised MTG was in on that meeting. She's an idiot. For real. Who happens to be fabulously wealthy. What could she have possibly added besides grade school level own the lib insults? my theory is that she's kind of the canary/fall guy. i.e. she's being used by the more established fascists to get out certain messages, take heat and headlines, etc. What's the worst that happens, they have to throw an idiot to the wolves? big deal. They'll spin it as "Being accountable" And just grab the next pawn.

Edgy MD Jul 13 2022 09:26 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

CNN reporting that the witness the president reached out to is/was "a member of the White House support staff," who the president contacted after Ms. Hutchinson's testimony, despite the two of them having not had ongoing contact. This person "was talking to the House select committee" and "was in a position to corroborate part of what Hutchinson had said under oath." For an outlet trying hard to hide their sources, they seem to be spelling out that this is the valet they're talking about.

Willets Point Jul 14 2022 02:23 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

So many GOPers who knew that Trump was not elected and had no legal ground to stand on but did nothing to stop him or even make his plans public ahead of time nor did they come forward during the impeachment. But the Dems are acting like they all deserve Profiles in Courage awards because ...

Fman99 Jul 14 2022 08:45 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

They all still know it and they all still put that shit in their pockets. They are hypocrites and actively contributing to the downfall of our system of government. I've had enough of reports of retired GOP judges, senators, etc. all telling us what everyone knows. Easy to go on the record with the truth when your salary isn't on the line.

MFS62 Jul 14 2022 08:48 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: For an outlet trying hard to hide their sources, they seem to be spelling out that this is the valet they're talking about. A person who had to clean the ketchup off the wall? Later

TransMonk Jul 15 2022 10:39 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

...they are living in the past and playing to a rapidly shrinking middle who they believe wants to go "back to normal". Normal ain't normal anymore, man.

Lefty Specialist Jul 15 2022 11:56 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

They kept quiet because they know it'll happen again and they'll be the beneficiaries. When Republicans win it's a fair electiuon. When Democrats win, it's fraud and 'irregularities'. We will see this in 2022 and especially in 2024. Republicans standing up now in the hearings are only there because they DIDN'T blow the whistle before it happened, when it really would have mattered. Hell, even Liz Cheney knew it was coming.

Edgy MD Jul 15 2022 04:08 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

They're all welcome to keep standing up as far as I'm concerned. I'm not giving anybody awards, but I want anyone who can impugn the president and other bad actors under oath to do so, and that includes the president and other bad actors. Let America see that the only way this ends is with convictions.

Fman99 Jul 20 2022 10:59 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

He's STILL trying to overturn an election he lost 20 months ago. For fuck's sake.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 20 2022 11:22 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

What a maroon.

kcmets Jul 20 2022 03:22 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Dude needs help and to be shipped off far far away into the sunset.

Edgy MD Jul 20 2022 03:25 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

So, please don't let anybody tell you that we ought to move on.

kcmets Jul 20 2022 03:52 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Are you talking to me? If so, I have no idea what you're telling me. Or why.

Edgy MD Jul 20 2022 04:31 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

No I'm talking to everybudgy. A lot of folks in this world see this hearing exercise as futile at worst and a dog-and-pony show at best. Seeing as how the overturning-the-election attempt is still going on, I would encourage any and all to tell those folks they are very wrong.

Edgy MD Jul 20 2022 04:37 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Also, I disagree with Speaker Vos, who said, “I think we all know Donald Trump is Donald Trump. There's very little we can do to control or predict what he will do.” I think we can do a lot to control and predict what he will do, and this sort of fatalist fecklessness coming from political leadership is terrible.

Ceetar Jul 20 2022 04:44 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

he's one of the most fucking predictable imbeciles on the planet. I think it's futile, but mostly because I have zero faith in them doing anything substantial about it. I think we have, and had, enough evidence to do things like invalidate all the sitting congresspeople that stood up and refused to certify the election from appearing on a ballot again for instance. It's good that more of this stuff is coming out, and all that, but it's hard not to see it as simply the Democrats campaigning on their existing merits and refusing to acknowledge they need to change. 17 members of Congress were arrested yesterday for peacefully protesting. ZERO of them were male. It should've been every fucking Democrat out there if they expect me to believe they actually care about women/voters.

Frayed Knot Jul 20 2022 04:59 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

So, by chance did the Secret Service place Rose Mary Woods in charge of preserving their text messages?

TransMonk Jul 20 2022 05:10 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 21 2022 08:00 AM

Edgy MD wrote: Also, I disagree with Speaker Vos, who said, “I think we all know Donald Trump is Donald Trump. There's very little we can do to control or predict what he will do.” I think we can do a lot to control and predict what he will do, and this sort of fatalist fecklessness coming from political leadership is terrible. Don't feel bad. Vos is incredibly hard to EVER agree with. But I agree with you.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:09 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

=The Washington Post]One day after the last rioter had left the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, President Donald Trump's advisers urged him to give an address to the nation to condemn the violence, demand accountability for those who had stormed the halls of Congress and declare the 2020 election to be decided. He struggled to do it. Over the course of an hour of trying to tape the message, Trump resisted holding the rioters to account, trying to call them patriots, and refused to say the election was over, according to individuals familiar with the work of the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack. The public could get its first glimpse of outtakes from that recording Thursday night ... .

Ho. Lee. Crap.



Cancel all baseball. I'm making the executive decision.

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2022 07:41 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Is this really anything new though? He's STILL contesting the election, he STILL won't turn on his loyal base, and he STILL can't get over the idea that he's a loser. So the fact that he couldn't/wouldn't say any of that the next day is hardly a surprise. I mean, sure, the tapes might be entertaining, but it's not like they're going to show us anything he doesn't say live somewhere nearly every single week.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:54 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Well, I run into people regularly who say he never violated his oath. To see him throwing tantrums in the oval office while the staff is threatening him with the 25th amendment should be indicting and meaningful. We need a country with the stomach to bring justice upon those who planned its overthrow. The airing of the facts matter.

Ceetar Jul 21 2022 07:59 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

the _country_ has the stomach. Just like the _country_ has the stomach to properly codify and legalize abortion, it's _congress_ and the fascist court that's a large part of the problem. The people that can actually do something (besides literally storm the SC with hundreds of thousands of people and bring it down, as seems like our best hope sometimes) are the ones that shouldn't need to have it aired, that may have already seen it, and have known for years and years that he's committed crimes. You're not going to convince people that defend him. He out and out bragged about walking into teenage girl locker rooms and these people make up stories about pizza places and ..hillary? I don't remember the deets of that story.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 10:34 AM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I do. If you think the people are all on your side but being stymied by Congress and the courts, I don't know what to tell you. The president said the same thing. If you don't want this evidence aired, I can't imagine why.

Ceetar Jul 21 2022 12:16 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

pretty much all polls agree people are on my side. There have been articles for probably a decade now how the republicans represent a minority, and if you separate that out to actual issues, an overwhelming majority support abortion, healthcare, marriage equality, gun control, green new deal stuff ,etc.. It's well documented that the supreme court is not acting in good faith and with respect to law and precedent. OF COURSE it's the government stymying progress. People voiced their vocal displeasure repeatedly and the best we could get was Biden reluctantly DIDN'T appoint the misogynistic judge. I don't care if they air it or not, but i want them to DO SOMETHING. It feels like they are airing it as a campaign tactic.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 01:22 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

If you think so many agree with you, I would ask you to find a prosecutor to indict the president and his co-conspirators. If you don't care that the evidence is aired, you don't. I do.

Lefty Specialist Jul 21 2022 01:57 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

With the daily drip, drip, drip of new shocking evidence, I don't think this will be the last J6 hearing. Just the Secret Service knowingly obstructing justice is worth a hearing all by itself, as well as criminal charges. You listening, Merrick?

Ceetar Jul 21 2022 02:01 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Edgy MD wrote: If you think so many agree with you, I would ask you to find a prosecutor to indict the president and his co-conspirators. If you don't care that the evidence is aired, you don't. I do. it's not think. The evidence supports it. regardless, I don't have the power to "find a prosecutor" to indict anyone. I voted for people that are supposed to do that, they're not. They're campaigning and begging for money.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 02:41 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

regardless, I don't have the power to "find a prosecutor" to indict anyone. Of course you do. We have guilty people, do we not? We have the right to speak, assemble, publish, and petition, right? We have the right to vote for or against those who who don't do their jobs to our satisfaction, and you indeed "know" you have the majority. I voted for people that are supposed to do that, they're not. They're campaigning and begging for money. Then we failed to vote for the right people. And all this clear majority that agree with you has failed. And that's why I do care that the facts are aired, to help us not fail the next time.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 06:23 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

I hope you're all watching. Testifiying is Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger and Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 06:29 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Unnamed national security person speaking here about how the whole staff was alarmed that the president wanted to lead an armed mob.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 06:33 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

MPD Sargeant corroborating the account of the confrontation in the president's SUV.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 06:35 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Looks like we'll be getting more hearings as Secret Service documents and accounts come to light. President was immediately briefed about the breach. He sat there and watched FOX News for two and half hours. Official call log is blank from 11:06 to 6:54. There are no photos because the chief photographer was shut down.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 06:37 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Cippolone says the president never spoke to Sec. or Defense, Sec. of Homeland Security, or Attorney General. Several witnesses in the national security apparatus confirm that none of them heard from the president or heard any instructions handed down from the president.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 06:39 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Metwife Kayleigh McEnany says he spent time calling Senators to solicit them to reject election results.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 06:46 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Cippolone listed among others, himself, Invanka Trump, Herschman, Pat Philbin, and Meadows pressing the president to make a statement and being refused.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 06:49 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Cippolone using attorney-client privilege to avoid answering questions about the president's response to the "hang Mike Pence" chants. He insists he expressed very clearly that it was wrong but won't tell the president's response.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 06:53 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Some veteran Trump staffers were concerned that a live appearance by the president before the press room camera (which was always on) could actually make matters worse, because the president is a disaster.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 06:58 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Documenting how threatened Secret Service members guarding the vice president were, and how much guesswork went into keeping him and his family safe. A lot of personal calls over the radio from the VP's Secret Service agents to say goodbye to family members.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:04 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

VP Pence and his detail were already pinned down when the president made the tweet putting a target on his back. Staffers said they decided to resign immediately after that tweet.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:06 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Both witnesses suggest they resolved to resign after the tweet. Matthew Pottinger looks like he has two black eyes. Both witnesses described the tweet as deliberately pouring gasoline on the fire.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:10 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

They're showing slo-mo shots of Senator Hawley running away after he helped rile the protesters up.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:11 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Jared Kushner testifying like a weenie right now about the president's duties. Recess.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:30 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

We have three Fox News stars reaching out to the White House demanding the president condemn his rioters and tell them to go home.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:32 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

A dozen different senior staffers listed by Cippolino as having made overtures to the president. He says none in the White House felt otherwise except he won't communicate what the president said.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:36 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

McEnany said to her deputy in a hushed voice refused to use the word "peace" in a tweet. Only after his daughter intervened did he begrudgingly include the phrase "stay peaceful."

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:44 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

We have Republican members of Congress recounting McCarthy's conversation in which the president (a) blamed Antifa and then (b) praised the rioters for being angrier than McCarthy was. This corroborates a lot of the reporting at the time but that the president called fake.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:47 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

President immediately and completely went off-script in Rose Garden message. Here comes the footage.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 07:50 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

After the president's 4:17 statement, the White House pretty much shut down business for the day.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 08:02 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

"January 6 was one of the darkest days in our nation's history, and President Trump was treating it like a celebratory occasion ... ."

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 08:06 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Mayor Giuliani was still calling senators after the riot to entreat them to run out the clock with delaying tactics.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 08:10 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

As loads of resignations came in, many (including Cippolone) were remaining out of terror of the damage to the country of leaving the president to his own devices.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 08:16 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

When Pottinger tendered his resignation, his boss (O'Brien) accepted but they agreed that he should stay at his desk until being relieved the next morning for national security purposes. Pottinger spoke of the damage of January 6 by giving them a narrative that our systems and values don't work.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2022 08:19 PM Re: IECVCT January 6, 2021

Staff had a speech for the nation on the morning of January 7, but the president dragged his feet all fucking day, and only yielded when his staff convinced him of how real the threat of the 25th Amendment was. We're getting outtakes now. He is stopping his statement and choking on his words over and over.