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Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

batmagadanleadoff Dec 20 2020 12:54 PM

Lefty Specialist wrote: What he should say is "With more money than God, all things are possible." If anyone's offended by the blasphemy, you can delete this. But I have a very low tolerance for God-botherers. Wanna know what drives me fucking nuts? Every time a baseball player crosses himself and points to the sky. It happens like 30 times. a game. When the hell did that start?

Fman99 Dec 20 2020 01:16 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

I feel like Sammy Sosa was the first big name player to point to the sky all the time.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 20 2020 01:48 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

I think Sosa was thanking God. Because it was God that gave Sosa all those homers. Not the sheer dumb luck Sosa had to inherit his genetics. Not the 15,000 hours of his youth Sosa spent playing baseball. And not the steroids he took. It was God who decided that Sosa should hit a homer and that the pitcher Sosa faced should give up a homer to Sosa. Because that pitcher didn't point to the sky and so deserved to allow a homer.Which God made happen. Why do they even bother getting out of bed and leaving their hotel rooms? Why cant they all just point to the sky from their beds and the best pointers win?

kcmets Dec 20 2020 02:13 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

I'd wager a good portion of the time a player points to the sky they're thinking of a loved one who has passed and saying, "that's for you" grandpa, moms, bestbro or sis and not thinking about "god' haha

batmagadanleadoff Dec 20 2020 03:00 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Because all the dead relatives are also up in the sky with the invisible magic man who made sure that Sosa got to hit his homer. And if they're dead, how do they know they're being pointed to? Just as dumb. haha yourself. And but what about the ones that aren't pointing to dead relatives?

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 20 2020 03:51 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Lefty Specialist wrote: But I have a very low tolerance for God-botherers. What's a "God-botherer?" McCann seemed pretty non-confrontational about his faith, and the verse is uplifting.

kcmets Dec 20 2020 03:52 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

It's symbolic or something? I suppose they could fake dig a few shovel moves and wave to grandpa.

Frayed Knot Dec 20 2020 05:05 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=52529 time=1608494079 user_id=68] Wanna know what drives me fucking nuts? Every time a baseball player crosses himself and points to the sky. It happens like 30 times. a game. When the hell did that start?

The increased presence of Latins in the game means an increasing number of Catholics who tend to be more symbolically demonstrative than those more stoic Protestants who make up the majority north of the Rio Grande.

nymr83 Dec 20 2020 07:57 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not Christian and don't know the 'new testament' from a hole in the wall so maybe i'm missing something - is there something particularly offensive about that quote? like is that one of the ones used to justify hating gay people? if not, wtf is your issue? Incredible. See if you can guess which is which. (Nobody help him.) [FIMG=300]https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/styles/content-885x432/public/news/news/codexz.jpg?itok=VVF-iB5q[/FIMG] [fimg=195]https://www.do-it-yourself-help.com/images/small-wall-hole.jpg[/fimg] You are right, I am doing the hole in the wall a huge disservice here. I have seen several of them and even filled one with plaster once. You are not the person I would expect to willfully ignore my use of a common figure of speech to describe my ignorance on a subject.

nymr83 Dec 20 2020 07:59 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

=Fman99 post_id=52530 time=1608495404 user_id=86] I feel like Sammy Sosa was the first big name player to point to the sky all the time.

Definitely the first person I would think of too.

Edgy MD Dec 20 2020 08:04 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not Christian and don't know the 'new testament' from a hole in the wall so maybe i'm missing something - is there something particularly offensive about that quote? like is that one of the ones used to justify hating gay people? if not, wtf is your issue? Incredible. See if you can guess which is which. (Nobody help him.) [FIMG=300]https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/styles/content-885x432/public/news/news/codexz.jpg?itok=VVF-iB5q[/FIMG] [fimg=195]https://www.do-it-yourself-help.com/images/small-wall-hole.jpg[/fimg] You are right, I am doing the hole in the wall a huge disservice here. I have seen several of them and even filled one with plaster once. You are not the person I would expect to willfully ignore my use of a common figure of speech to describe my ignorance on a subject. I thought I was celebrating it.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 20 2020 09:50 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

I'll just say there's a strong tradition of christianity in pro athlete circles. It doesn't matter to me. I think there is something to the notion of ballplayers feeling as though the game is sorta out of their control, their careers are short, much seems left to chance, many are from the south, have poor education and are vulnerable to needing something else to believe in. The pointing at the sky is related but more influenced by the bat-flip trend.

LWFS Dec 21 2020 08:04 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

PRAY THE RIGHT WAY FELLAS, PRAY LIKE YA BEEN THERE BEFORE

kcmets Dec 21 2020 05:00 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

The intolerance of other's religious beliefs by people who claim to be liberal if not ultra- liberal is just hard to wrap my head around. Merry Christmas.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2020 10:25 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

=kcmets post_id=52593 time=1608595215 user_id=53] The intolerance of other's religious beliefs by people who claim to be liberal if not ultra- liberal is just hard to wrap my head around. Merry Christmas.

Intolerance? Like when the Betsy DeVos lover called me a racist and a bigot for expressing atheistic views? Did you stick up for me then or is it ok to offend me like no one here's ever been insulted?

Edgy MD Dec 21 2020 11:01 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Let's not do whataboutism, please.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2020 11:26 PM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Edgy MD wrote: Let's not do whataboutism, please. Because it's inconvenient.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2020 07:28 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Edgy MD wrote: Let's not do whataboutism, please. Why not? Whataboutism is the entire point. Did you speak up when the Flint Water Scandal apologist called me a racist and a bigot? ________________ =batmagadanleadoff post_id=52601 time=1608614703 user_id=68] =kcmets post_id=52593 time=1608595215 user_id=53] The intolerance of other's religious beliefs by people who claim to be liberal if not ultra- liberal is just hard to wrap my head around. Merry Christmas.

Intolerance? Like when the Betsy DeVos lover called me a racist and a bigot for expressing atheistic views? Did you stick up for me then or is it ok to offend me like no one here's ever been insulted?


Cat got your tongue?

kcmets Dec 22 2020 07:38 AM

I have no idea who or what Betsy's lover means or why you continue after 15 years to play some martyr card here. Oy, the cranepool posting injustices, join me in Washington for the million poster March lol...

kcmets Dec 22 2020 07:39 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Guess I was a day late and a dollar short again...

batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2020 07:49 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

=kcmets post_id=52615 time=1608647896 user_id=53] I have no idea who or what Betsy's lover means or why you continue after 15 years to play some martyr card here. Oy, the cranepool posting injustices, join me in Washington for the million poster March lol...

Of course you know who Betsy Devos's lover is. And martyr? I'm a racist and bigot because I express atheistic views? But when religious views are expressed, then I'm intolerant? What does that have to do with martyrdom? You just don't like it when a zillion holes are poked into your ideas and I could easily poke a zillion more. You can't defend that but you don't want to ignore it either so you attack me personally and so I'm intolerant. A few months ago it was racist and bigot.

metsmarathon Dec 22 2020 07:51 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

as long as they're not stepping out of the batters box and spending thirty goddamned minutes adjusting every last flap of velcro covering their bodies between every fucking pitch - even the called strikes - i really don't give a flying fuck what they do and who they point to. well, unless they high-five the fans in the front row after hitting a homer. ya gotta know your place... seriously though, i'm not down with the all religions are evil line. i'm generally not down with any forms of absolutism. especially those that give to billions around the world, comfort, meaning, and direction when they need it most. I think there are certainly different aspects of many (most?) religions that, in different ways, i strongly disagree with, and maybe feel have been corrupted by the baser motivations of god. i prefer to think that those teachings and teachers can be, and should be, addressed individually - and doing so is more effective -than painting with an overbroad brush and tarnishing all. the underlying message and meaning of most religions is virtuous and good. the weakness and cowardice that reveals itself as intolerance and hatred is what needs to be pruned, not the roots of all pulled out of the ground.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2020 07:52 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Edgy MD wrote: Let's not do whataboutism, please. Okay. Fair enough. But why not?

metsmarathon Dec 22 2020 07:54 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Edgy MD wrote: Let's not do whataboutism, please. Okay. Fair enough. But why not? as ide from the fact that it usually involves false equivalencies, there's this: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/12/trump-grievance-addiction-444570

batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2020 07:57 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Edgy MD wrote: Let's not do whataboutism, please. Okay. Fair enough. But why not? as ide from the fact that it usually involves false equivalencies, there's this: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/12/trump-grievance-addiction-444570 I agree. But what's the false equivalency here? There isn't any. And if there is, it's to my benefit because being called a racist and a bigot is far, far worse than being called intolerant. Also, this has nothing to do with Trump.

kcmets Dec 22 2020 07:57 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Whatever, same disdain for me different year...

metsmarathon Dec 22 2020 07:59 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

it is possible to express atheistic views without positing that the religious are idiots and oppressors. just as it is possible to express religious views without positing that atheists are bigots and racists. if (one of) your primary complaint(s) against religion is the effort by its followers to convert you to the same, it is terribly unfair for you to do the same.

Edgy MD Dec 22 2020 08:00 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Edgy MD wrote: Let's not do whataboutism, please. Why not? Whataboutism is the entire point. Did you speak up when the Flint Water Scandal apologist called me a racist and a bigot? Boom. Metawhatboutism. Maybe let's bitch to the admins in the Bitch to the Admins forum.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2020 08:04 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

=metsmarathon post_id=52624 time=1608649191 user_id=83] it is possible to express atheistic views without positing that the religious are idiots and oppressors. just as it is possible to express religious views without positing that atheists are bigots and racists. if (one of) your primary complaint(s) against religion is the effort by its followers to convert you to the same, it is terribly unfair for you to do the same.

Never said they're idiots. And they're not, not by a long shot. Well, some are. Some atheists, too. Many of the world's brightest minds are devout religious people. They're even smarter than me, some of them. What they believe in, that's another story.

kcmets Dec 22 2020 08:22 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Christmas is coming, the geese are getting fat Please put a penny in the old man's hat If you haven't got a penny, a ha'penny will do If you haven't got a ha'penny, then God bless you! -- Kase 24:7

whippoorwill Dec 22 2020 08:56 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

:) You too KC

86dreamer Dec 22 2020 09:22 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

=kcmets post_id=52593 time=1608595215 user_id=53] The intolerance of other's religious beliefs by people who claim to be liberal if not ultra- liberal is just hard to wrap my head around. Merry Christmas.

Amen

Lefty Specialist Dec 22 2020 09:26 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

=kcmets post_id=52593 time=1608595215 user_id=53] The intolerance of other's religious beliefs by people who claim to be liberal if not ultra- liberal is just hard to wrap my head around. Merry Christmas.

Well, I'll take the bullet there. There are plenty of people who aren't tolerant of my beliefs. Religion's a funny thing. My wife's parents couldn't get married in New York City because they were of different faiths. Certain of my family members were appalled that I married a non-religious Jew in a non-religious ceremony. One of my (former) best friends has told me in no uncertain terms that I'm going to hell; as a lifelong Mets and Jets fan, I can deal. I've been prayed over involuntarily. I've been screamed at by nuns and evangelicals (and little kids) while defending a women's clinic. So I've earned my antipathy to the hyper-religious. Your mileage, as always, may vary.



Note I said hyper-religious. Those who push their religion in my face. Whether they're on the Supreme Court or the local school board or anywhere else. Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.



I'll root for James McCann. I probably won't listen to his interviews.



Oh, and Happy Holidays.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 22 2020 09:31 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

I'm also a firm non-believer, from a Catholic family. My parents and sisters are still regular church goers. It doesn't bother me at all when an athlete points to the sky or does a sign of the cross. My only objection, as with what Lefty says above, is when it influences public policy. I very much want freedom FROM religion.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2020 10:39 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Lefty Specialist wrote: =kcmets post_id=52593 time=1608595215 user_id=53] The intolerance of other's religious beliefs by people who claim to be liberal if not ultra- liberal is just hard to wrap my head around. Merry Christmas. Well, I'll take the bullet there. There are plenty of people who aren't tolerant of my beliefs. Religion's a funny thing. My wife's parents couldn't get married in New York City because they were of different faiths. Certain of my family members were appalled that I married a non-religious Jew in a non-religious ceremony. One of my (former) best friends has told me in no uncertain terms that I'm going to hell; as a lifelong Mets and Jets fan, I can deal. I've been prayed over involuntarily. I've been screamed at by nuns and evangelicals (and little kids) while defending a women's clinic. So I've earned my antipathy to the hyper-religious. Your mileage, as always, may vary. Note I said hyper-religious. Those who push their religion in my face. Whether they're on the Supreme Court or the local school board or anywhere else. Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. I'll root for James McCann. I probably won't listen to his interviews. Oh, and Happy Holidays.

Sounds like a ton of intolerant religious people who disrespect your own right to believe what you want to believe in. Wonder what would happen if you called them racists and bigots for their religious views?

batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2020 10:41 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

And you should ask your former best friend to show you where hell is. Like on a fucking map.

kcmets Dec 22 2020 11:01 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=52637 time=1608658873 user_id=68] And you should ask your former best friend to show you where hell is. Like on a fucking map.

It's off of Rte 3, East Rutherford, NJ?



And thank you Lefty, you're a mensch as always.

whippoorwill Dec 22 2020 11:11 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=52637 time=1608658873 user_id=68] And you should ask your former best friend to show you where hell is. Like on a fucking map.

I think it's in the White House at the present time

At least that's where Satan is

batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2020 01:49 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

=kcmets post_id=52638 time=1608660088 user_id=53] And thank you Lefty, you're a mensch as always.

Oh, don't make me vomit. This is just your way of justifying taking a shot at me but at no one else. Just like on the politics threads even though 95% of the posts there are from liberals and Dems.

Lefty Specialist Dec 22 2020 02:01 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

(puts down the ipecac syrup)

Centerfield Dec 22 2020 08:41 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

I think the sentiment that is emerging is that everyone should live how they want and no one should try to push their views on anyone else. Affecting public policy is downright insane. I have no objection to the pointing to the sky and whatever else people might do. I have a lucky seat on the couch and never leave the volume at 22 (bust number) when the game is on.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 23 2020 09:32 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

Edgy MD wrote: Let's not do whataboutism, please. Why not? Whataboutism is the entire point. Did you speak up when the Flint Water Scandal apologist called me a racist and a bigot? ________________ =batmagadanleadoff post_id=52601 time=1608614703 user_id=68] =kcmets post_id=52593 time=1608595215 user_id=53] The intolerance of other's religious beliefs by people who claim to be liberal if not ultra- liberal is just hard to wrap my head around. Merry Christmas. Intolerance? Like when the Betsy DeVos lover called me a racist and a bigot for expressing atheistic views? Did you stick up for me then or is it ok to offend me like no one here's ever been insulted?

Cat got your tongue?




I guess the cat does have your tongues. Which is the whole point of this rant. God only knows what hell I'd be in for If I called anybody a racist or a bigot here no matter what the reason.



And when did this thread become a thread about intolerance? (When KC decided to attack me personally because he couldn't up with anything else to say). I'm as tolerant of religious people as anyone can be. I just think it's wacky, is all.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 23 2020 09:37 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Well, being tolerant includes not pointing out the wackiness in a forum where there are believers.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 23 2020 10:01 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Well, being tolerant includes not pointing out the wackiness in a forum where there are believers. It's fair game. This is a baseball forum and some baseball players thank god by pointing to the sky during a baseball game whenever they succeed at something - in front of millions and millions of viewers. A baseball player can't adjust his jock strap on the field without people commenting. But talking about the sky-pointing is supposed to be off-limits? And the posts about things being possible only with god or Jesus or whatever. Anything posted is also fair game and the non-believers have the same right to express their disbelief. So what's really going on here? Do the believers think that the non-believers have no right to express their own views?

metsmarathon Dec 23 2020 10:28 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

if someone says "thank god" or "damnit" or "inshalla" in your presence, do you admonish them for their belief system? you're not being indoctrinated. you're not being forced to thank god, or praise him, or attribute your successes to him. if you hit a home run, you're perfectly welcome to proclaim "thank the random chaotic interactions of countless subatomic particles that led to this chance occurrence. we get it. we. get. it. you hate outward displays of religion. maybe not hate, i suppose, but you're clearly not a fan of it. to which i say, cool. you don't have to be a fan of it. people thanking god, or pointing to the figurative heavens, should really have no impact on your life, other than that you witness people expressing differing beliefs than you. you may think it ridiculous, and that's fine. they may think its ridiculous to NOT believe. and that's fine. if a player stops taking batting practice because he thinks that their god(s) will will cause him to hit home runs either way, then you might want to take issue with it. otherwise its someone trying to find meaning in the unknowable randomness, hoping that something is out there beside just cold emptiness. or maybe just hoping that their own time on this earth is not finite, and that there is something more to look forward to. Otherwise you're just yelling at wade boggs not to eat fried chicken. its meaningless to you, meaningful to him, and as long as you're not his doctor, who the hell cares?

Frayed Knot Dec 23 2020 05:11 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

What mm said. I understand what Lefty is saying about not just freedom of religion but freedom from religion, but that also depends on how it's meant. Yes, you have freedom from having a particular brand of religion, or any religion at all, imposed upon you, but some seem to want that to mean that they should be free from ever coming into contact with any symbol or display of religion or with anyone religious and that most decidedly is NOT something we're all guaranteed. Don't like that you have to pass six churches, two synagogs and a mosque on your way to work? ... Find another route Don't like hearing religious programming on your TV or radio ... Turn the channel Don't like that McCann might make Nimmo look like an atheist? ... then find someone else to root for, although I think the evidence of that being the case so far is pretty slim. The way he expressed his feelings about coming to the Mets might not be your cuppa but they were the length of a couple of Alonso HRs from being offensive. And even if it's as demonstrative as what Nimmo is doing, well that hardly qualifies as offensive either (IMO of course).

Lefty Specialist Dec 24 2020 05:37 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Well, we can go round and round on this. Brandon Nimmo's been pointing at the sky forever. I still root for him to come through with the bases loaded and two out. I can separate the baseball activity from the personal belief. I don't hate anyone for their religious beliefs unless they impact me directly. I simply change the channel. But if I don't LIKE their religious beliefs, that's my right, too. There's an acceptance of the religious stuff in sports, but America as a whole is getting less religious, not more. And I'd love to hear someone say they thank Satan for hitting that game-winning home run. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or Cthulhu. Or Zuul. Just once. It'll never happen, but it would be awesome if it did.

Fman99 Dec 24 2020 07:41 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

I think the whole reason I never got my shot in MLB is specifically because the Man was afraid I'd go on TV and thank Cthulhu for all of my success.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 24 2020 08:01 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Is that an alternative spelling for "Charley Lau"?

Marshmallowmilkshake Dec 24 2020 09:18 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

I'm a person of faith. It's unfortunate that some of you encountered people who were overzealous or offensive. I've met some people like that. I think such tactics are an ineffective way to spread the good news. Please don't think their misbehavior is reflective of everyone. They're humans, and they make mistakes. Kindness is a better way to go. I don't have a problem with athletes expressing their faith with pointing or verses. I don't think less of a person who doesn't do those types of things. Nor do I think less of people who are not believers. Wishing everyone a very merry Christmas and the happiest of new years. LGM!

Edgy MD Dec 24 2020 11:48 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Milkshakes for everybody!

whippoorwill Dec 24 2020 12:30 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

I second that! Beautifully said!

Lefty Specialist Dec 24 2020 01:29 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Is that an alternative spelling for "Charley Lau"? Cthulhu always commands you to let go with the top hand when following through. More than mere coincidence, methinks.

LWFS Dec 25 2020 02:20 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Hey, man, if it gets you treating humans with dignity and treating animals humanely, light as many candles, eat as much/little pork, and wear all the wacky church undies you'd like. FWiW, I think you're all hot sacks of steamy, fragrant nuts, and your individual religious beliefs/lack thereof have very little bearing on that.

MFS62 Dec 25 2020 02:38 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Cthulhu always commands you to let go with the top hand when following through. More than mere coincidence, methinks. And didn't we all root for Pedro Cerrano to hit a home run for Jobu? Later

Fman99 Dec 25 2020 08:30 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

=LWFS post_id=52765 time=1608931218 user_id=84] Hey, man, if it gets you treating humans with dignity and treating animals humanely, light as many candles, eat as much/little pork, and wear all the wacky church undies you'd like. FWiW, I think you're all hot sacks of steamy, fragrant nuts, and your individual religious beliefs/lack thereof have very little bearing on that.

Nicest thing anyone has said to me in 2020.

Edgy MD Dec 25 2020 08:32 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Some sacks of nuts are less fragrant than others. Trust me on this.

Edgy MD Dec 27 2020 09:09 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Fun Fact: Our First Amendment right to freedom of religion (which is really two rights/two freedoms), finds its statutory roots in Flushing, Queens.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 27 2020 09:58 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

if someone says "thank god" or "damnit" or "inshalla" in your presence, do you admonish them for their belief system? you're not being indoctrinated. you're not being forced to thank god, or praise him, or attribute your successes to him. if you hit a home run, you're perfectly welcome to proclaim "thank the random chaotic interactions of countless subatomic particles that led to this chance occurrence. we get it. we. get. it. you hate outward displays of religion. maybe not hate, i suppose, but you're clearly not a fan of it. to which i say, cool. you don't have to be a fan of it. people thanking god, or pointing to the figurative heavens, should really have no impact on your life, other than that you witness people expressing differing beliefs than you. you may think it ridiculous, and that's fine. they may think its ridiculous to NOT believe. and that's fine. if a player stops taking batting practice because he thinks that their god(s) will will cause him to hit home runs either way, then you might want to take issue with it. otherwise its someone trying to find meaning in the unknowable randomness, hoping that something is out there beside just cold emptiness. or maybe just hoping that their own time on this earth is not finite, and that there is something more to look forward to. Otherwise you're just yelling at wade boggs not to eat fried chicken. its meaningless to you, meaningful to him, and as long as you're not his doctor, who the hell cares? Frayed Knot wrote: What mm said. It figures. What mm said is a total crock of horseshit. My disdain for the sky-pointing in baseball bothers mm even more so than the sky-pointing itself bothers me. Of course, he can't fairly challenge my right to my point of view while maintaining his own ire for my opinions -- so instead, he invents, out of the figments of his imagination, straw men and straw-man arguments to criticize me. He already did that in an earlier post where he accused me of thinking that religious people are idiots solely because of their religious views. Not true and not a shred of evidence of that. But in this follow-up post, he really goes off on flights of imagination and total bullshit. if someone says "thank god" or "damnit" or "inshalla" in your presence, do you admonish them for their belief system? No I don't. I've never admonished anybody for their religious views and in fact, in the real world, I rarely discuss religion at all and am very supportive of my friends' religious beliefs. Most of my friends are believers to some degree or another. Some are very devout, some mildly so, some with a healthy amount of skepticism, some are religious just to "play it safe, just in case" but barely or never follow any of the religious protocols of their chosen religions. you're not being indoctrinated. you're not being forced to thank god, or praise him, or attribute your successes to him. I know that and don't need to be told this. What this has to do with anything escapes me. Because I'm still entitled to my religious opinions and world views. It's not a requirement for Sammy Sosa to try and indoctrinate me into his religion for me to hold my negative views of his and everybody else's sky-pointing. we get it. we. get. it. you hate outward displays of religion. maybe not hate, i suppose, but you're clearly not a fan of it. to which i say, cool. you don't have to be a fan of it. people thanking god, or pointing to the figurative heavens, should really have no impact on your life, other than that you witness people expressing differing beliefs than you. you may think it ridiculous, and that's fine. they may think its ridiculous to NOT believe. and that's fine. It has a huge impact on everybody's lives. Thanking god for hitting a home run or drawing a base on balls might seem innocuous and harmless but because of this exact same mind-set and belief system that thinks some invisible man with magic powers floating in the sky caused some baseball batter to hit a home run, the governor of NY can't regulate houses of worship to combat the pandemic. Because the last of three SCOTUS justices nominated by a GOP president who lost the popular vote by more than three million votes and confirmed by a GOP senate whose majority represents barely 40% of the nation is a religious fanatic zealot whose views are far from the mainstream. These sky-pointers in churches and synagogues sit side by side for hours, singing while maskless because god will take care of everything which in any event, according to their ignorant opinions, is meant to be. Then they go out to their supermarkets and their banks and post offices and on public trains and buses and this is how a virus becomes a pandemic. This same sky-pointing mind-set has generated a chorus line of lawsuits hoping to be heard by the high court. What these "sky-pointers" want is to be able to legally discriminate against others because of their religious sky-pointing beliefs. Not to mention the hundreds of millions of people destroyed and annihilated over religion throughout the course of our history. Otherwise you're just yelling at wade boggs not to eat fried chicken. its meaningless to you, meaningful to him, and as long as you're not his doctor, who the hell cares? Who the hell cares? I dunno? Couldn't we say that about anything posted here? Who the hell cares about your Jacob deGrom posts? Why should we engage with you when you post pictures of your family or when you tell us about your food purchases from your local farmer's market? Why have this forum?

batmagadanleadoff Dec 27 2020 10:05 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

And I'm not letting this go: Why does my sky-pointing post generate pages and pages of opposition but when the weasel who thinks that Trump's not a racist because in Michigan, some black dude ran for US Senate calls me a racist and a bigot for expressing atheistic views, no one bothered to admonish him. Why?

stevejrogers Dec 27 2020 10:24 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=52801 time=1609088708 user_id=68] And I'm not letting this go: Why does my sky-pointing post generate pages and pages of opposition but when the weasel who thinks that Trump's not a racist because in Michigan, some black dude ran for US Senate calls me a racist and a bigot for expressing atheistic views, no one bothered to admonish him. Why?

You could remind us of these attacks in quoted form instead of using them to continue your crusade against him.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 27 2020 10:28 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

=stevejrogers post_id=52802 time=1609089883 user_id=57] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=52801 time=1609088708 user_id=68] And I'm not letting this go: Why does my sky-pointing post generate pages and pages of opposition but when the weasel who thinks that Trump's not a racist because in Michigan, some black dude ran for US Senate calls me a racist and a bigot for expressing atheistic views, no one bothered to admonish him. Why?

You could remind us of these attacks in quoted form instead of using them to continue your crusade against him.


Oh, that makes sense. The reason he got a free pass almost a year ago is because today, almost a year later, I didn't quote the post -- which, in any event, was deleted?

batmagadanleadoff Dec 27 2020 10:29 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Hey Rogers! Know what? You're a racist and a bigot.

stevejrogers Dec 27 2020 10:39 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=52804 time=1609090194 user_id=68] Hey Rogers! Know what? You're a racist and a bigot.

I'm not defending the guy, but maybe no one is admonishing him because there currently no evidence that the statement exists.



Nor am I picking sides, so tone that down a bit.



But you are reminding me of social media users that I eye roll at when they say they blocked/unfriend/unfollow/etc based on generalities, but never use the specifics.



It probably is true, but why not shine the light, you don't have to expose the name, but at least show the context that you are pissed off at.

LWFS Dec 27 2020 12:28 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

And I'm not letting this go: Why does my sky-pointing post generate pages and pages of opposition but when the weasel who thinks that Trump's not a racist because in Michigan, some black dude ran for US Senate calls me a racist and a bigot for expressing atheistic views, no one bothered to admonish him. Why? [YOUTUBE]C6BYzLIqKB8[/YOUTUBE]

kcmets Dec 27 2020 02:30 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=52801 time=1609088708 user_id=68]And I'm not letting this go:

Yeah! I mean, after fifteen years, why change now??

batmagadanleadoff Dec 27 2020 02:41 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

=kcmets post_id=52813 time=1609104644 user_id=53] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=52801 time=1609088708 user_id=68]And I'm not letting this go:

Yeah! I mean, after fifteen years, why change now??


What are you talking about? This is all your fault. All the shit I get here is all your fault. You are the root cause of all of it. All of it.. You stupid fucking asshole.



But nice piling-on, though.

Fifteen years. Yeah, whatever. Make up some more shit.

kcmets Dec 27 2020 03:17 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

What are you talking about? This is all your fault. All the shit I get here is all your fault. You are the root cause of all of it. All of it.. You stupid fucking asshole. But nice piling-on, though. Fifteen years. Yeah, whatever. Make up some more shit. Just quoting in case it 'changes.'

batmagadanleadoff Dec 29 2020 12:29 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

And I'm not letting this go: Why does my sky-pointing post generate pages and pages of opposition but when the weasel who thinks that Trump's not a racist because in Michigan, some black dude ran for US Senate calls me a racist and a bigot for expressing atheistic views, no one bothered to admonish him. Why? [YOUTUBE]C6BYzLIqKB8[/YOUTUBE] It's vindication. And I'll take it because it's as good as youse scumbags are ever gonna admit to me that I'm right. Except for that time when VicSage jumped in to take my side against the immediate super-retarded onslaught of retarded posts of bullshit I hadda endure all because I had the fucking audacity to write that Paul Sewald was no Schaefer Reliever of the Year. An onslaught of opposition led by that idiot KCMets who probably called me a martyr because he's a fucking idiot who doesn't know any other words, let alone what they mean. He said that it wasn't yet time for me to point it out that Sewald didn't deserve the Schaefer award. Like he had some special date marked on his retard calendar for when it was OK for me to complain about Sewald and he was gonna mail me that date in a specially marked telegram if I didn't go ahead and gripe about Sewald before getting KC's permission. Anyway, there was that time when VicSage stuck up for me over the Sewald Schaefer award. And come to think of it, he stuck up for me when I was suspended over the Mets Count Club. But of course. Vic's a lawyer and any lawyer would see how unjust that whole suspension affair was. They made up laws --bullshit laws-- which they only applied to me, and then on top of that, applied the laws retroactively because they weren't even in effect when the so-called or alleged infractions were made. What a load of shit. Anyways, this red light forum is great. You can really get your money's worth in here. Count. Figures VicSage doesn't post here anymore. And Zvon's dead. Jesus H. Christ. I could count the people here left who I think aren't against me on the fingers of one hand. Mordecai Brown's right hand, probably.

kcmets Dec 29 2020 01:53 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

It truly astonishes me how much you care about the the goings on here. You must have (or had) a motive I'm not privy to treat me like dog shit for so long. Or you're just plum (online) loco. Or both. Either way, happy new year... 2021!! #lgm #ygb #ymdyf (Edited for clarity - 12/29/2020 - 17:08)

batmagadanleadoff Dec 29 2020 04:02 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Oh, great. Now you come after me because I remember posts. What else?

kcmets Dec 29 2020 04:18 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

No one is coming after you. #playnice2021

batmagadanleadoff Dec 29 2020 05:29 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 30 2020 11:03 AM

Oh, great! Now you're [whatever the fuck you wanna call it] because I remember posts. Remembering posts is bad . How pathetic. If you really wanted to avoid the issue, you could've just called me a martyr, whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. Oh, wait. I know. I'm a martyr because I remember posts. And I'm a martyr because Up With People wrote that atheists are racist bigots. bml@respondingtostupidwordgames.com

kcmets Dec 29 2020 06:00 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

So what. You'll like this one, the c-word is in it ... [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrYNICo26i4[/YOUTUBE]

ashie62 Feb 08 2021 06:23 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Lotta paranoia going on here. DSM style.

Edgy MD Feb 08 2021 08:41 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Or DSM cosplay. I can never be sure.

whippoorwill Feb 09 2021 08:27 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

What is DSM?

Edgy MD Feb 17 2021 04:08 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

What is DSM? Sorry, I missed this question. [fimg=400]https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/WZFm5RQTJuMBbhdCbMkG[/fimg] To be clear, in answering this question, I am not meaning to presume to diagnose anybody here with a mental disorder.

kcmets Feb 17 2021 06:09 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Edgy MD wrote: I am not meaning to presume to diagnose anybody here with a mental disorder. Well, maybe... [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPmpk8iGdNY[/YOUTUBE]

ashie62 Apr 08 2021 07:21 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Mags STFU

Ceetar Apr 08 2021 08:44 PM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Dude (I'm not reading all this) you've got it all wrong. These guys are doing the equivalent of what Castellanos did screaming in the pitchers face when he scored over him. It's a "Fuck you gravity, WE BEAT YOU this time". I know it bothers some of the stricter followers of Newton (why do you think the Mets raise the APPLE?! Because they're mocking Sir Issac!), but they'll just have to get over it.

whippoorwill Apr 09 2021 06:39 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

What the heck does this all have to do with Christian athletes? 🤣

batmagadanleadoff Apr 27 2021 11:07 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

=ashie62 post_id=60207 time=1617931318 user_id=90]Mags STFU

You shut the fuck up.



Fuckety fuck fuck fuck.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 27 2021 11:14 AM Re: Let us commence exchanging opinions and perspective on James McCann

=kcmets post_id=52593 time=1608595215 user_id=53] The intolerance of other's religious beliefs by people who claim to be liberal if not ultra- liberal is just hard to wrap my head around. Merry Christmas.

The intolerance of atheistic views is what's mind boggling. Like we're not allowed to speak our minds. If you had an iota of a molecule of a morsel of evidence, you'd be a zillion times more tolerable. But instead, youse have the fucking audacity to impose laws and rules on everybody based on a doctrine that's no more believable or realistic than Jack and the Beanstalk.

kcmets Apr 27 2021 11:46 AM Re: Christian athletes (split from talking about James McCann)

Gunter gleiben glauchen globen! 'Beliefs', 'views'. Oh, the audacity lol...