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igt 18/4: zambrano & the d team vs los bravos

duan Apr 18 2006 06:53 PM

Seriously, if we win this one who knows!!! Good Guys Reyes Lo Duca Delgado Wright Nady Valentin [LEFT FIELD] Woodward [2b] Chavez [CENTRE FIELD] ** Zambrano Bad Guys Giles [2b] Betemit [SS] Langerhans [LF] Jones (Andruw) [CF] LaRoche [1b] Francouer [RF] McCann [C] Orr [3B] ** Davies

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 07:03 PM

I woulda kept Hernandez at 2nd and put Woodward in left.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 18 2006 07:05 PM

Hernandez is having back spasms and is unavailable, according to Gary Cohen.

abogdan Apr 18 2006 07:09 PM

So what's that, a two man bench tonight? Great timing on the Diaz demotion.

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 07:15 PM

Castro and Franco, then Trachsel and Bannister. Big K of Andruw.

metirish Apr 18 2006 07:18 PM

Atlanta up two runs, Zambrano is tough to watch.

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 07:29 PM

Braves strategy is to go up hacking, swinging early in the count.

abogdan Apr 18 2006 07:44 PM

And to hit homers. Andruw goes deep. 4-0.

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 07:46 PM

And another one. Let's get him out of there.

abogdan Apr 18 2006 07:49 PM

Woody puts some juice into the lineup. Kaboom. 5-1.

KC Apr 18 2006 07:54 PM

Seems to me the booing Zambrano was getting that the announcers referred to at the end of the top of the third was supressed by SNY audio. I don't like that, they have freakin' mics all over ... was it squelched?

seawolf17 Apr 18 2006 07:56 PM

abogdan wrote: So what's that, a two man bench tonight? Great timing on the Diaz demotion. Three; Hernandez. Not that you'd want him up as a pinch-hitter.

metirish Apr 18 2006 07:57 PM

Diaz can't get called back for ten days, unless a player goes on the DL...sucks

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 07:57 PM

Well, if they're suppressing i in the audio, the announcerrs shold be briefed on the conspiracy.

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 08:05 PM

seawolf17 wrote: Three; Hernandez. Not that you'd want him up as a pinch-hitter. I don't think Hernandez is available. Ed Coleman suggested that Beltran could pinch hit if absolutely necessary, although they'd likely need pinch runner if he got on. He also said that Beltran will probably be back for tomorrow.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 08:11 PM

Hernandez and Darling: Darling: "In 1985, I led the league in walks. It was like the Bataan Death March out there for me. I was fortunate in that I had such a good defense behind me." Hernandez: "You think we had a good defense? I thought we were just average." Darling: "We had a solid, make-the-plays type defense. They didn't make the spectacular play --- yourself excepted --- but Raffy and other guys, you could count on them to make the play." Hernandez: "You know what? I think you pitched better in those situations, after putting a few guys on base." Gee, guys, are you gonna start making out?

GYC Apr 18 2006 08:13 PM

if zambrano isnt pulled in the next 10 seconds, fire willie

metirish Apr 18 2006 08:13 PM

The Trivia question is lame.... What player has the most home runs without ever playing in the post season? Jones homers again.

GYC Apr 18 2006 08:14 PM

Fire Willie!

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 08:14 PM

I distinctly told Andruw Jones not to do this.

Nymr83 Apr 18 2006 08:21 PM

I'm ok with leaving Victor in there. The starting pitcher needs to go deep into games and save the bullpen, I'd rather take my chances with him than burn out the entire bullpen today. I still don't like VZ though, is there a kazmir/zambrano trade tracker thread? i'll be at the (likely) rubber game tommorow, my 4th of the young season.

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 08:21 PM

Ernie Banks?

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 08:24 PM

You know what I'd love? If either Jose Valentin or Endy Chavez could freakin learn how to take the occasional pitch.

metirish Apr 18 2006 08:28 PM

Way to much chatter from Chris Cotter with those NY Giants palyers, yes it was Ernie Banks, Delgado is next on that list.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 08:30 PM

True that. Would have liked to see more of Feliciano's long-awaited 2006 debut. Baseball, gentlemen.

metirish Apr 18 2006 08:32 PM

Am I going slightly crazy or do Ron and Keith sound very alike with the way they speak?

Nymr83 Apr 18 2006 08:38 PM

metirish wrote: Am I going slightly crazy or do Ron and Keith sound very alike with the way they speak? nah, they just sound alike because they are hitting on each other, i don't like having two former players from the same team together, it's nice having a situation where the guys have diferent anecdotes, i'd prefer even two guys from different eras.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 08:39 PM

Cohen is wrong. That patch of grass in left and right hasn't always been there. It was a void back in the Jets day, so they can rotate the field level seats around to run parallel to the sidelines.

KC Apr 18 2006 08:39 PM

I can tell them apart now easily, but they do sound alike and it's been posted about alot. The short of it is you're not slightly crazy, at least not for that reason.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 08:42 PM

I agree that players from more varying backgrounds creates a richer dynamic.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 08:43 PM

]I still don't like VZ though, is there a kazmir/zambrano trade tracker thread? No, but Jim Duquette demands that there be one.

mlbaseballtalk Apr 18 2006 08:49 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Cohen is wrong. That patch of grass in left and right hasn't always been there. It was a void back in the Jets day, so they can rotate the field level seats around to run parallel to the sidelines. Yup. I think the last year before they filled it I recall Maz taking a spill over the top out in Left and the announcers being concerned for Maz's saftey This had to be 87-88

Nymr83 Apr 18 2006 08:49 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ]I still don't like VZ though, is there a kazmir/zambrano trade tracker thread? No, but Jim Duquette demands that there be one. i will start one tommorow if nobody beats me to it

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 08:57 PM

A lot of Met batters seem to have their timing off, but Nady just keeps hitting the ball hard.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 09:00 PM

Mets looking to get a third inning out of Pedro Feliciano.

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 09:00 PM

I wonder who has the most AB with a .000 career Mets batting average, and I wonder if Jose Valentin will break that record.

metirish Apr 18 2006 09:03 PM

Bases loaded for the Braves......DP ends it, sounds like that should be looked up on Gwrek.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 09:03 PM

Bonehead Delgado. Gwreck, I'll give you a hint: as with many Aflac trivia questions, the answer is in the ballpark tonight.

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 09:10 PM

John Franco is 0-15 in his Mets career. Any chance he's there tonight?

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 09:11 PM

I didn't know we were counting pitchers, but not Franco. Big day, Jorge.

The Big O Apr 18 2006 09:11 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 18 2006 09:13 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Mets looking to get a third inning out of Pedro Feliciano. Interesting outing by him tonight. 6th inning: Oustanding 7th inning: Effective, if flawed 8th inning: Coronary And here comes the J-spot. Edit: Ah, the Seaver post ... as lame as the previous 40 and the next.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 09:12 PM

Getting Betemit on an off-speed pitch. Coolio, Julio.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 09:13 PM

Fastball on the paint fans Langerhans.

metirish Apr 18 2006 09:15 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 18 2006 09:16 PM

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 09:15 PM

Jorege Julio, Bravekiller.

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 09:15 PM

This one is going to be a pain to look up. Help?

Elster88 Apr 18 2006 09:17 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I agree that players from more varying backgrounds creates a richer dynamic. Well, they sorta are.

mlbaseballtalk Apr 18 2006 09:19 PM

Seaver went POOF!

metirish Apr 18 2006 09:22 PM

Game over, Davies was brilliant tonight, hope this game doesn't put the Mets in a slump.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 09:22 PM

Game over.

Hillbilly Apr 18 2006 09:23 PM

Let's get that rubber game Wed. afternoon, and put this one behind us!

metirish Apr 18 2006 09:24 PM

Yes Hillbilly, lets do that and win a fifth straight series.

Centerfield Apr 18 2006 09:35 PM

Hail! Zambrano sucks.

DocTee Apr 18 2006 09:39 PM

HAIl!

GYC Apr 18 2006 09:44 PM

Hail!

ScarletKnight41 Apr 18 2006 09:58 PM

Hail Big O! We were out at the theater tonight. An awful show. Even worse than it would have been if we were home, watching this suckitude. Ah well, we can still go 159-3.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 18 2006 10:04 PM

What happened to the cool Seaver icon? That thing was a work of art. Looks like I picked a good game to miss most of tonite. Strange thing, our cruddy work softball team was getting similarly slayed.

Frayed Knot Apr 18 2006 10:06 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 18 2006 10:28 PM

Various Observations: 1) If you're gonna not hit and gonna not pitch ... you might as well do them on the same night. Less frustrating that way. 2) For all of Zambrano's "STUFF" he really seems to lack a killer out pitch. Every RBI tonight was w/2 outs and many of them were with 2 strikes. It was an overall sucky game which was actually within the realm of actually being a good game except that he couldn't put 3 or 4 hitters away when he had to (I know ... other than that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play?). More frustrating that way. 3) I like both Keith and (to a lesser extent) Darling but I've never been a fan of 3-man booths. These 3 aren't as bad as most but I still prefer 2 and it would certainly avoid some of the confusion of voices and kissy-face stuff that was being talked about. 4) Best line of the night: Keith: 'If David Wright were born in the '50s he'd have been a Mouseketeer' 5) Not that it mattered tonight, but I'm always amazed at how many balls are hit directly at Atlanta fielders. I know you can study charts and play to your pitchers' strength and all that but it still seems to happen for them more often than can possibly be explained by forethought. Baseball's just not that predictable. 6) At least the Yanx got embarrased. After 4 or their first 5 batters scored in the top of the 1st: (Jeter triple, Sheff single, ARod HR, Giambi HR) staking the Big Eunuch to a big lead before he even took the mound ... he didn't make it out of the 4th and they wound up getting whomped 10-5 7) At least it was quick (2:10)

Johnny Dickshot Apr 18 2006 10:10 PM

I saw the end of the MFY game. Sheff nonchalanted a fly ball in right (as he always does) and drops it. Dude later scores on a wild pitch. Humlliating loss for the MFYs for sure.

metirish Apr 18 2006 10:11 PM

Yeah I have to say I am getting tired of hearing about the "great stuff" Zam has,show it please, nice to hear about the MFY though, thanks FK, Leiter was doing that game, i tuned in in the first, man he never shuts up.

Frayed Knot Apr 18 2006 10:21 PM

Leiter's actually pretty good (IMO) on the mike - at least for a neophyte. He was good in the playoff games he did a year or two back. But here's the thing, the Yank pub machine is trying to pass him off as if he has some great Yanqui pedigree on account of him starting there (late '80s) and ending there (late '05). But do they realize that he has all of ELEVEN wins as a NYY!!! His MFY career was so brief and interrupted that last year was his winning-est year in pinstripes (tied actually with one other year at 4). He's also like the 15th color analyst they have over there in some sort of seemingly random rotation: Murcer, Singleton, Kaat, O'Neill, and probably some others I can't think of right now. Mostly he seems to be appearing at the expense of Kaat who's my fave over there. I think Kaat's either being pushed out or cutting back on his own (I've read both).

metirish Apr 18 2006 10:24 PM

Agreed about Kaat, perhaps he tells the truth and the Boss doesn't like that, I find him to be very good, Singleton is a nightmare though, O'Neill is too pally with the guys it seems to me, can't listen to him.

Willets Point Apr 18 2006 10:59 PM

Bummer. This could be a turning point. The Manchurian Brave pitches tomorrow, then it's a west coast swing, and a trip to the House of Horrors. The '06 Mets could be brought down to earth in a hurry. Well, it was fun while it lasted.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 11:05 PM

Big positive afterthoughts out of Feliciano and Julio, though, huh? It's something, though Feliciano is now burned. Any word on Giles? These are two shorthanded teams right now.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 11:36 PM

Oh, and Gwreck, it's this guy --- biggest career collar in Met history.

Gwreck Apr 18 2006 11:59 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Oh, and Gwreck, it's this guy --- biggest career collar in Met history. Thanks. Forgot about his Mets career. Mercifully, I don't think Valentin will get a chance to catch him.

Nymr83 Apr 19 2006 01:26 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Oh, and Gwreck, it's this guy --- biggest career collar in Met history. has there ever been a worse hitter with 4760 career at-bats?

Rotblatt Apr 19 2006 10:38 AM

Home plate ump had a huge strike zone last night. He was pretty consistent with it, but it definitely helped Atlanta more, since Davies figured it out pretty early and seems to have a pretty good idea of where he's putting the ball. Zambrano, meanwhile, seemed to hung up on trying to put the ball over the plate. Normally, not a bad thing with his stuff, but it looked like batting practice out there. Zambrano's stuff didn't look that bad to me, although his velocity seemed a bit down. He just seemed to miss in the zone a lot. Like I said in a previous thread, it seems like Zambrano's game plan is to sacrifice stuff in order to get the ball over the plate, and frankly, it doesn't seem to be working for him. I would've liked to see him make more adjustments yesterday. If his plan had been to go out there and throw it over the plate while sacrificing some movement/velocity, he should have seen that they were swinging early and often and thrown off the plate more. Anyway, brutal game. Delgado was the recepient of some bad calls and didn't seem able to move past it. Wright's struggling. He's still going the other way when he's got two strikes but is getting under the ball. Reyes seems to be getting under the ball as well, though he's still having pretty good at bats--working the counts a bit and not swinging much at bad pitches. I'm not worried long term about any of them, but with those three struggling and Beltran & Floyd out, we're going to have a hard time scoring runs. Valentin looks done. Chavez looks like a defensive replacement. Woody looked pretty good--I wouldn't mind penciling him in there until we have both Floyd & Beltran back in the lineup. Speaking of which, it's time for Willie to put someone on the DL if Beltran can't play today. Put him on the 15-day DL and call up Diaz. Diaz can play left until Cliff comes back, then he can move to right and Nady can move to center. We'd have Beltran back on May 1. Not ideal, sure, but if he's not going to be able to play for another week, we're going to need to play a legitimate outfielder.

Edgy DC Apr 19 2006 10:41 AM

Delgado really seemed like he wanted to unload on the ump and get tossed, but that would have left Wright and Nady carrying all the water. As it was, he was driven to distraction by the bad calls and pretty lost up there. Does Shea still have a Questec machine? Hopefully this ump gets a bad report card.

Centerfield Apr 19 2006 10:45 AM

Couple of thoughts.... I don't see the point of demoting Diaz for Feliciano if all you're doing to use him for is 3 innings in a blowout. I hate Andruw Jones. I'd like to see him get a fastball right on that smug grin of his. Can you imagine Endy Chavez, Anderson Hernandez and Jose Reyes going to a bar and trying to convince people that they are professional athletes?

metirish Apr 19 2006 10:48 AM

]Does Shea still have a Questec machine? Hopefully this ump gets a bad report card. My guess is that it does, it used to anyway, Fran always made sure to mention that any time there were questionable calls, and especially when Glavine pitched.

ABG Apr 19 2006 10:50 AM

Centerfield wrote: Couple of thoughts.... I don't see the point of demoting Diaz for Feliciano if all you're doing to use him for is 3 innings in a blowout. I hate Andruw Jones. I'd like to see him get a fastball right on that smug grin of his. Can you imagine Endy Chavez, Anderson Hernandez and Jose Reyes going to a bar and trying to convince people that they are professional athletes? In order: Disagree somewhat. There needs to be some way for the bullpen to avoid getting burnt out early. Couldn't agree more. Agree somewhat.

Edgy DC Apr 19 2006 10:55 AM

]I don't see the point of demoting Diaz for Feliciano if all you're doing to use him for is 3 innings in a blowout. Well part of it was to get another guy up there to spare the workload of better pitchers. I stll would have given him two innings and Julio two (if he could get throught two). Once Felicano got through the lineup once they seemed ready for him. But, on the other hand, Julio got to finish on a positive, which he may not have done if they asked for too much of him. I have to say that I like the way Willie's handling the Julio situation a lot. If the fans want to act adversarial, let them, but he's not going to hide his pitcher and only use him on the road. Heck with them, he's got a job to do, and yielding to bloodthirsty meatheads isn't part of it.