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Matz All, Folks

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 27 2021 07:36 PM

Mets dealing Matz to the Jay's for 3 prospects, who probably suck.

bmfc1 Jan 27 2021 07:41 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

The Mets are getting Josh Winckowski, a 22 year-old RHP. Fangraphs said that he "has a chance to pop in 2021 because he was pitching hurt in 2019 and still got guys out. He looked rusty during instructs but was also up to 97 and added a new splitter to an already decent slider." https://www.fangraphs.com/players/josh-winckowski/sa918379/stats?position=P Sean Reid-Foley was on the 40-man for TOR and pitched for them in 2020. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/sean-reid-foley/17034/stats?position=P Yennsy Diaz pitched for TOR in '19. So the Mets got 3 right-handed SPs providing depth at the top of the minors. https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1354621009303896064

A Boy Named Seo Jan 27 2021 08:20 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

standing-ovation.gif Big fan of this trade.

Marshmallowmilkshake Jan 27 2021 08:36 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

Freeing up salary space for a bigger deal to come, perhaps?

Centerfield Jan 27 2021 08:45 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

That's the only explanation. Why would they trade starting pitching?

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 27 2021 08:50 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

Matz was about the worst pitcher in the league last year

Centerfield Jan 27 2021 08:57 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

Yes but he has upside. The Luchesi guy is like Matz without the high ceiling.

Edgy MD Jan 27 2021 08:58 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

It's not salary space to my perspective, so much as roster space. Louper was already knocking Gsellman off the roster, where he'd join the already-screwed Brad Brach hoping somebody gets hurt so he doesn't have to hit the waiver wire. Gselly had already dropped to sixth on the starting pitcher depth chart, and was looking at seventh if and when Syndergaard came back. You need the sixth and seventh guys, but the Mets didn't have room to store extra starters in the pen, and Matz didn't have options, so now he goes for guys who who can hopefully fill out that depth chart without crowding the roster. I hates to see trades, but I'm happy at least see them deploy a dispersal trade to help offset all the consolidation deals.

nymr83 Jan 27 2021 09:04 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

Yeah - this is a spot on the 25 freed up - a guy like Matz loses a lot of value when he doesnt have options.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 27 2021 09:05 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

Reid-Foley was pretty well regarded at one point and is still only 25? That dude alone could be as good as Matz this year. I feel like the Mets dumped salary, added some young pieces and didn't damage their depth at the major league level. Yay.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 27 2021 09:24 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

I finally joined the Lunchbucket Down on Matz! team last season. But god, was Matz good in 2015. More like an all-star. So good, that I stuck with him for all those years after. But by last season, he was just horrible and I figured to myself that all those injuries he'd been accumulating ever since his rookie year must have taken a toll, and he was physically no longer the same pitcher he was when he debuted. Typewriter 2015 Total Mets Set - Code Name: Neon (Rookies) [FIMG=444]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883389072_ce8ac7c26d_o.jpg[/FIMG] Typewriter 2015 Total Mets Set - Code Name: Neon [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883389047_84cf9f7ff2_o.jpg[/FIMG] Typewriter 2015 Ltd. Mets Set - Code Name: New Judge Tobacco [FIMG=222]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883389087_868063751d_o.jpg[/FIMG] Typewriter Thrills (2015) [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883284526_01698d7ea4_o.jpg[/FIMG] Typewriter 2015 World Series (Subset) - Code Name: Dewey Defeats Truman [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883284546_64e0a7e1ff_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2015 World Series (Subset) - Code Name: Dewey Defeats Truman (Alternate Variation) [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883284571_f135356a7b_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2016 Total Mets Set - Code Name: Sludge [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50882577363_b3e2f0e6a8_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2016 Ltd. Mets Set - Code Name: Basque [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883420507_c9fd869b82_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2017 Total Mets Set - Code: Ack [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883296586_752dfa9c57_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2017 Total Mets Set - Code: Hoosier [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883401012_d8fdafa584_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2017 Ltd. Mets Set - Code Name: Potato Knish [FIMG=511]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883296601_6474380685_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2017 Ltd. Mets Set - Code Name: Potato Knish (Alternate Variation #1) [FIMG=511]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883296626_fe64dc349d_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2017 Ltd. Mets Set - Code Name: Potato Knish (Alternate Variation #2) [FIMG=511]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50882577408_729f3df807_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2018 Total Mets Set - Code Name: Puppet, Pauper, Pirate, Poet Pawn and King RESERVED FOR FUTURE USE Typewriter 2019 Total Mets Set - Code Name: Holy Curt Gowdy! (You Look Familiar! Subset (Space)) [FIMG=511]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883315811_e396608cf8_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2020 Total Mets Set - Code Name: Real [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883315866_cecc5c49f0_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2020 Ltd. Mets Set - Code Name: You Live, We Give [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50883315891_d5913e75d3_o.png[/FIMG] Typewriter 2020 Ltd. Mets Set - Code Name: Exquisite Scumbag [FIMG=555]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50882597023_505f3d2137_o.png[/FIMG]

LWFS Jan 27 2021 09:42 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

Yes but he has upside. The Luchesi guy is like Matz without the high ceiling. Point in fact: The 6'5" Lucchesi has three inches on the 6'2" Matz, so Joey has a higher ceiling. Also: come ON now.

86dreamer Jan 27 2021 11:14 PM Re: Matz All, Folks

Yes but he has upside. The Luchesi guy is like Matz without the high ceiling. Point in fact: The 6'5" Lucchesi has three inches on the 6'2" Matz, so Joey has a higher ceiling. Also: come ON now. Higher Ceiling indeed - thanks for the laugh!

Frayed Knot Jan 28 2021 04:41 AM Re: Matz All, Folks

=Centerfield post_id=54982 time=1611805546 user_id=65] That's the only explanation. Why would they trade starting pitching?

To make room for Bauer of course.

Fman99 Jan 28 2021 04:48 AM Re: Matz All, Folks

He's been toast for some time. So this is OK. I doubt he's any more fixable than Matt Harvey is at this point.

MFS62 Jan 28 2021 05:00 AM Re: Matz All, Folks

My first thought was, why not get back a young centerfielder in return? But then I realized if Toronto had a decent young centerfielder they wouldn't have signed Springer. d'oh! I think he stretched it out as far as he could go here, and maybe he'll regain that promising form somewhere else. Later

smg58 Jan 28 2021 06:32 AM Re: Matz All, Folks

Lucchesi made Matz redundant, and either would have been a seat warmer for Syndergaard this year even if no other deals get made. Personally I would have non-tendered Matz, so getting three borderline prospects is a perfectly acceptable haul.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2021 06:45 AM Re: Matz All, Folks

That's how I feel too. I would have let him go for nothing.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2021 06:57 AM Re: Matz All, Folks

Fun facts: 1. Sean Reid-Foley was born in Guam! He has a chance to be the first Guamian Met! 2. Two of the three players, Reid-Foley and Diaz, have appeared in big league games with the Blue Jays. 3. If Edwin Diaz's parents had decided to name him "Yennsy", the Mets would have two guys named "Yennsy Diaz".