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Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 01 2021 01:16 PM

There was some kind of Twitty controversy over the weekend relating to Mickey and the MBJG (Mom's Basement Journalist Guild). guy tweeted out something to the effect of there being a bombshell Mickey story on the way, then retracted, mot because it was inaccurate but because it evidently jumped the gun of an actual journalist (Jeff Passan) said to be working on the real story. Half the pretend staff drawing pretend paychecks, of said fan-run site resigned in protest and will presumably look for other sites to not pay them for relaying fan-to-fan info. Dick pics? Harrassing female reporters? is what I could divine from this very unverified chatter. Seperately published stuff suggests Mickey and Bauer never got along which is considered an "advantage" for the Mets should they want to court him as current Mickey employer the Angels are also said to have interest.

stevejrogers Feb 01 2021 02:19 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: but because it evidently jumped the gun of an actual journalist (Jeff Passan) said to be working on the real story. Half the pretend staff drawing pretend paychecks, of said fan-run site resigned in protest and will presumably look for other sites to not pay them for relaying fan-to-fan info. There must be more going on behind the scenes with that basement journalism fan site for most of its staff, including an associated podcast, to jump ship over a jumping the gun “hot gossipy newz~” click bait piece. There was chatter about the gender of the accuser being stated in the piece, but...isn't that, and age when legality is an issue, usually the only piece of info that can be disclosed in such pieces. Stepping on Passan/ESPN's toes could be something, but I don't think that is enough to warrant the vitriol and over the top discussions of moral and ethics by the exiting staff members. “Being first” mentality is up there on the list of reasons all journalists can be seen as a scummy lot, but it does seem a bit low on the list if you want to use it for the reason you are leaving one particular outlet.

Edgy MD Feb 01 2021 02:43 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

Interesting hot take from Steve. Weird. Maybe ESPN is the only destination worth aiming at for young sports journalists, and they don't want to their current outlet to stain their résumés.

Edgy MD Feb 01 2021 02:48 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Seperately published stuff suggests Mickey and Bauer never got along which is considered an "advantage" for the Mets should they want to court him as current Mickey employer the Angels are also said to have interest. This, of course, could flip over if the supposed story becomes a pretext for the Angels to drop Mickey. They could even offer Bauer a chance to pick his own coach.

stevejrogers Feb 01 2021 03:15 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

Edgy MD wrote: Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Seperately published stuff suggests Mickey and Bauer never got along which is considered an "advantage" for the Mets should they want to court him as current Mickey employer the Angels are also said to have interest. This, of course, could flip over if the supposed story becomes a pretext for the Angels to drop Mickey. They could even offer Bauer a chance to pick his own coach. Having only seen the apology, and not the actual tweet, I'm leaning on this being the reason behind the exodus. No clue, but I can see the original tweet allude to the possibility that this would eventually lead to Bauer choosing the Halos. And the distaste of discussing how a disturbing news item would affect the Mets losing a targeted FA caused those who left, right away anyway, to use morals and ethics as part of their reasoning. I think many of the others just left for the sake of seeming to stand up with the original staff that departed.

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 01 2021 04:31 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

It's dumb when it gets to where we gotta speculate on stuff we don't even know is true, but re SJR's comments, it sounds to me like perhaps the quitting bloggers got a whiff of the "real story" from an actual reporter in confidence, made the mistake of telling their pretend colleague, who went and made another mistake of telling people. They had to quit to try and demonstrate to the source they burned that they could be trusted again, while their pretend colleague took the heat for blabbing as a means to save the integrity of his Mom's Basement. --I kid here with these guys, I'm sure most mistakes were unitended and resulted from miscommunication as they do on all floors of your home, and I don't mean to suggest that even though they are probably unpaid and working at will and really just fans they don't try hard to inform and enlighten. It's just kind of funny to see people fall on professional swords that don't actually exist because they're not actually professionals.

RealityChuck Feb 01 2021 05:35 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

I've seen nearly all of them, so I'd say Gil Hodges Davy Johnson Bobby Valentine Willie Randolph Yogi Berra Terry Collins Jerry Manuel Joe Torre Wes Westrum Joe Frazier George Bamberger Mickey Callaway Art "We battled" Howe Dallas "Pitcher destroyer" Green Others I didn't see enough to form an impression.

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 01 2021 06:27 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

Whoop, there it is: https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1356412569758654466

Centerfield Feb 01 2021 06:34 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

I stand by my ranking and assessment from the first page.

TransMonk Feb 01 2021 06:38 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

There's a pretty long and detailed story behind the paywall. No dick pics, but unwanted advances toward multiple women in multiple cities while he was with multiple clubs. The Mets, when contacted by The Athletic, said that in August 2018 – about 10 months after Callaway joined the organization – the team learned of an incident that took place before it hired him. The team investigated that matter, a spokesperson said, but declined to reveal the nature of the incident, the outcome of that probe or whether Callaway was disciplined. Callaway continued managing the rest of the season. Creepy stuff.

bmfc1 Feb 01 2021 06:46 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 01 2021 07:50 PM

There is so much in the article that is terrible and no one should have to do their job and be subject to this behavior. From a Mets perspective: Here's a line from the article: "Callaway, who like Porter was hired by Alderson..." so the Mets have a problem to deal with even though Callaway is not their employee. Also: [BLOCKQUOTE]The Mets, when contacted by The Athletic, said that in August 2018 – about 10 months after Callaway joined the organization – the team learned of an incident that took place before it hired him. The team investigated that matter, a spokesperson said, but declined to reveal the nature of the incident, the outcome of that probe or whether Callaway was disciplined. Callaway continued managing the rest of the season.[/BLOCKQUOTE] https://twitter.com/Britt_Ghiroli/status/1356420565268107266/photo/1

ashie62 Feb 01 2021 07:38 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

Trump loving ahole.

G-Fafif Feb 01 2021 08:32 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

As if sucking at managing wasn't enough.

Edgy MD Feb 01 2021 08:37 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

“It was the worst-kept secret in sports,” one of the women, who were all granted anonymity, told The Athletic. Interesting in that it echoes the language Lunchie used to describe his inference about Porter's secret.

Centerfield Feb 01 2021 08:38 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

JCL, I think you had the scoop on this right? Fred liked Collins. Was this Sandy's guy?

Edgy MD Feb 01 2021 09:06 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

The overnight shift in the Wifey Watch Office reminds me that Callaway has a wife and two daughters old enough to be mortified by this revelation.

Centerfield Feb 01 2021 09:18 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

I feel bad for the daughters. The wife, I'm sure, has known the truth.

G-Fafif Feb 01 2021 11:08 PM Re: Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

The Mets issue statements: https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1356467565485260800?s=21

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 02 2021 05:55 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I was always under the impression that Mickey was Sandy's guy, because of Callaway's rep for genius with Cleveland, Fred's regard for Terry, and the the undermining effort Fred led after Mickey was hired. But maybe he was Jeff's guy all along? Consider-- 1. I saw on the twitter that the Mets were made aware of some of these allegations in August 2018 and were supposed to investigate, but nothing came of it. 2. Sandy had already been kicked aside by the Freddening when this came up. And the Puma dug up a tweet from then suggesting that Jeff had Mickey's back. 3. I'm sure that's in part because Mickey was cheaper to keep than a new guy was to get, but at any rate he managed another whole year without Sandy. 4. Mickey as it turns out was no baseball genius, nor an appropriate leader Perhaps this points to underlying tensions between Fred and Jeff? That's understandable inasmuch as both are idiots and thought they were in control. At any rate, it turns out that Mickey disappointed me many times more than I knew that he could. We already established he couldn't provide an advantage in X's and O's, every club under him had dreadful stretches, and now we learn not one but 2 instances where he was abusive and disrespectful of writers. How could you even be considered a Manager of the Mets if you cannot communicate sincerely and fairly with the press? An idiot must've hired him

Benjamin Grimm Feb 02 2021 06:20 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2019/20190624_NSD_02.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2019/20190624_NYDN_02.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2019/20190624_NYP_02.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2019/20190625_NSD_02.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2019/20190625_NYDN_02.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2019/20190625_NYP_02.jpg> Newsday cover wrote: Lennon: =#FFFFFF]Mickey a sorry figure I wonder if Dave Lennon knew then what we know now? I'm not at all surprised that some men behave the way we've learned that Mickey has, but I have to say I really don't understand it. I would think that "aggressively creepy" would be an approach that would fail far more often than it succeeds. And even beyond that, how stupid is it that a married man, with two daughters, and in a high profile position, would put his aggressive creepiness in writing? Did he think that this wouldn't eventually come out? I don't know who's worse, Callaway or Porter. At least Callaway didn't send an unsolicited dick pic. Porter's, at the end of his attempted "courtship", seems to me more like a fuck-you sendoff to the woman who spurned him rather than a last-ditch Hail Mary test. But Porter was divorced at the time (I think) so at least infidelity isn't a factor with him. Bah! It doesn't matter which one was worse. Good riddance to both of them! As far as Sandy Alderson, I don't think it's implausible to think that he might not have been able to find out about Jared Porter's incident if it was a one-time thing with one particular woman. But with Mickey it was apparently a pattern of behavior and I think Sandy does have more accountability for that hire.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 02 2021 06:23 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

(By the way, if you're keeping score at home, both MICKEY MOUTH CLUB and SORRY SEEMS TO BE THE HARDEST WORD were first-round winners in the 2019 Tabloid Cover Derby. )

G-Fafif Feb 02 2021 06:41 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

But so impressed were Alderson and Fred Wilpon, the Mets' owner, after a lunch meeting with Callaway that they canceled a second round of interviews to concentrate on him. “The thing I want to emphasize is we weren't only looking for a manager, we were looking for a leader,” Alderson said. “There seemed to be a real consistency between Mickey's approach and our approach and what he was looking for in the way of managing, and what we were looking for in the way of a leader in the clubhouse. “That's a visceral reaction, not one that you can put down on a checklist, but to me that said everything.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/sports/baseball/mickey-callaway-mets-manager.html

batmagadanleadoff Feb 02 2021 06:57 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Trevor Bauer hated Mickey Callaway when they were both in Cleveland. That relationship is said to be unfixable. So with Callaway now likely to get the boot from the Angels, I wonder if the Angels become the favorite to sign Bauer? They might've already been the favorites even before this scandal broke.

Centerfield Feb 02 2021 06:58 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I think there are conflicting reports about that three hour lunch. Some other articles I read suggested Fred and Jeff attended while Sandy did not.

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 02 2021 07:02 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

http://archives.thecranepool.net/26100/f1_t26144.shtml We even raised the possibility they rushed this hire in this thread. I'm sure Sandy won't stand for a grilling on this but someone should ask him

Edgy MD Feb 02 2021 07:09 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

The Mets are going to get a heck of a hot water bill this month.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 02 2021 07:26 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-drK0s0_i2t0/V2cJ-22j37I/AAAAAAAAHFc/r8w_NSFH_icP-lV62zbMFmr8Yn3falz_ACLcB/s1600/34.jpg>

Edgy MD Feb 02 2021 07:53 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Many Explicit Texting Scandals

Edgy MD Feb 02 2021 08:27 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Not having an Athletic subscription, and lacking the will to sort through tweets and figure out who is credible and who isn't, how do the Callaway infractions compare to those of Porter? I don't know, but I'm gleaning no dic pics and no 60-text blowups. Inappropriate and unprofessional and kind of pathetic but not skewing so much toward borderline criminal harassment as the other guy. Is that right?

Fman99 Feb 02 2021 09:24 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I would have gone with "Icky Mickey" as a thread title.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 02 2021 09:43 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Edgy MD wrote: Not having an Athletic subscription, and lacking the will to sort through tweets and figure out who is credible and who isn't, how do the Callaway infractions compare to those of Porter? I don't know, but I'm gleaning no dic pics and no 60-text blowups. Inappropriate and unprofessional and kind of pathetic but not skewing so much toward borderline criminal harassment as the other guy. Is that right? I'd maybe rate his shitty behavior a rung below Porter's on "the Shitty Behavior Ladder". Seems they both had terrible boundaries when it came to flooding poor reporters with unwanted text messages. But Mickey seemed to send less after not getting a response and he would send shirtless selfies instead of junk mail. Maybe the Mets did want Kim Ng and she was like, "hell no".

ashie62 Feb 02 2021 09:55 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Shitty sexual misdeed behavior is shitty sexual misdeed behavior. I see little difference between Mickey and Porter. Sandy had no idea, really? You can't say one is less explicit than the other IMHO.

TransMonk Feb 02 2021 10:11 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I saw all I needed from Mickey when I saw him hunting sharks with Matt Harvey and Don Jr. Not that I thought he was a harassing creep at the time, but on a personal level he and I probably have very little in common.

Edgy MD Feb 02 2021 10:23 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Politics aside, that moment sort of spoke to me of the sort of neediness that would never allow him to be a consistently effective leader.

Lefty Specialist Feb 02 2021 10:31 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I went behind the paywall, and it's ugly stuff. Offering behind-the-scenes scoops (which reporters kill for) in exchange for getting drunk with him. It was a pattern and also not exactly a secret. Women warned other women about him. Have to think his future ex-wife knew, but I feel bad for the kids.

Edgy MD Feb 02 2021 10:35 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Whether she knew the generalities or the specifics, the rest of the world finding out that your spouse is an asshole on the make is pretty devastating.

duan Feb 02 2021 11:11 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

100% standby my Mickey was the worst now. What a fucking asshole.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 02 2021 11:20 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

=ashie62 post_id=55334 time=1612284943 user_id=90] Shitty sexual misdeed behavior is shitty sexual misdeed behavior. I see little difference between Mickey and Porter. Sandy had no idea, really? You can't say one is less explicit than the other IMHO.

I agree. Was just trying to some detail behind each of their indiscretions.

Centerfield Feb 02 2021 01:18 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Apparently dick pics represent a bright line of sorts. As of now, Mr. Callaway remains gainfully employed.

Edgy MD Feb 02 2021 01:32 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

=ashie62 post_id=55334 time=1612284943 user_id=90] Shitty sexual misdeed behavior is shitty sexual misdeed behavior.

While this is certainly a tempting perspective, I think distinctions matter. Anthony Weiner's case is one thing, and Jeffrey Epstein's is another.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 02 2021 01:35 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I think so too. Porter's and Callaway's stories are different. As I mentioned on the first page of this thread, Porter's was worse because of the dick pic and Callaway's was worse because he's married. (Porter, I believe, was divorced at the time he was stalking the female reporter.) Both are very bad, though. Porter got fired. I expect Mickey will too.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 02 2021 01:45 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

And the Angels have... suspended Mickey? Why drag this out? https://twitter.com/Angels/status/1356702232473858049?s=20

Edgy MD Feb 02 2021 01:52 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I'm all for suspensions.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 02 2021 02:00 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I don't think it should matter to the Angels whether or not Callaway is married. Nobody's business if he doesn't wanna be faithful to his wife. Sexual harrasment is another thing. But if all this was was Callaway having a consensual extramarital affair, it shouldn't rise to the level of a national scandal.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 02 2021 02:04 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

No, it shouldn't matter to the Angels. I'm just weighing which one behaved the worse in general, not which one was the worse employee.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 02 2021 02:32 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

His affair shouldn't matter necessarily, but his pattern of behavior against women, including those who cover the Angels while he's been employed by the Angels should bother the Angels.

G-Fafif Feb 02 2021 05:08 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Helluva thread from WaPo's Chelsea Janes. https://twitter.com/chelsea_janes/status/1356733988619096067?s=21

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 02 2021 05:18 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

It's sexual harassment but also interferes with professional obligations in callaway and Porter's cases

Frayed Knot Feb 02 2021 06:27 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

If nothing else, this story pretty much assures that the streak of former NYM managers not getting another managing job after leaving the Mets will continue. Post-Davey, only Jeff Torborg (briefly) and Bobby V (also briefly, at least on this side of the Pacific) ever managed an MLB club again. That doesn't imply very good choosing of candidates, and that the GM list has about the same track record echoes that point.

Edgy MD Feb 02 2021 07:40 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Bud Harrelson managed the Ducks!

Centerfield Feb 02 2021 08:00 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

“I think you know why we called you in” Yes sir. “You claimed you had no managerial experience whatsoever. That you'd have to learn on the job...” That is what I said. “In fact that's not true is it? You managed the NY Mets. I found this clip of you from 2009.” (Looks down sheepishly) “I'm sorry Jerry. I have no choice but to let you go...”

ashie62 Feb 03 2021 06:54 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Art Howe was a Washington bench coach 2007-2008.

MFS62 Feb 03 2021 08:23 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Michael Kay (yeah, I know) predicts the floodgates are about to burst with stories like this. https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/02/yankees-michael-kay-mickey-callaway-and-many-more-preyed-on-women-reporters-marriages-careers-will-be-ruined.html Were there any gift baskets involved? Later

Benjamin Grimm Feb 03 2021 08:41 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

“Mickey Callaway is fungible,” Kay said. “Jared Porter fungible. But what happens when the first big superstar is uncovered to be that guy? Is he fungible? Are they going to force him out of the sport, or is it going to be a simple slap-on-the-wrist suspension? I wonder, because that's going to happen. That's something I've been wondering too. What happens when it's a superstar player with eight years and $250 million left on his contract?

metsmarathon Feb 03 2021 09:08 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

it sure sounds like he knows who those potential big names are. maybe he should start using their names.

Edgy MD Feb 03 2021 09:52 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: “Mickey Callaway is fungible,” Kay said. “Jared Porter fungible. But what happens when the first big superstar is uncovered to be that guy? Is he fungible? Are they going to force him out of the sport, or is it going to be a simple slap-on-the-wrist suspension? I wonder, because that's going to happen. That's something I've been wondering too. What happens when it's a superstar player with eight years and $250 million left on his contract? We've been down this road many times, no? It may not be sexting professional contacts but often something worse and more dangerous. And usually, the result is a suspension. That's kind of why I don't mind the Angels initially (and perhaps ultimately) slapping Callaway with a suspension. It's not like Mike Trout or Andrelton Simmons would've gotten released and their contract voided.

G-Fafif Feb 03 2021 09:56 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

=ashie62 post_id=55365 time=1612360497 user_id=90] Art Howe was a Washington bench coach 2007-2008.

Ron Washington's staff, for Texas.

Lefty Specialist Feb 03 2021 10:01 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

=metsmarathon post_id=55373 time=1612368530 user_id=83] it sure sounds like he knows who those potential big names are. maybe he should start using their names.

I guess it'd be asking too much if one of them was Robinson Cano.

kcmets Feb 03 2021 10:25 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Salty Parker managed an Astros game in 1972.

nymr83 Feb 03 2021 10:35 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: “Mickey Callaway is fungible,” Kay said. “Jared Porter fungible. But what happens when the first big superstar is uncovered to be that guy? Is he fungible? Are they going to force him out of the sport, or is it going to be a simple slap-on-the-wrist suspension? I wonder, because that's going to happen. That's something I've been wondering too. What happens when it's a superstar player with eight years and $250 million left on his contract? What happened to Jose Reyes, who actually BEAT a woman - didnt just send messages?

Centerfield Feb 03 2021 03:30 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Michael Kay (yeah, I know) predicts the floodgates are about to burst with stories like this. https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/02/yankees-michael-kay-mickey-callaway-and-many-more-preyed-on-women-reporters-marriages-careers-will-be-ruined.html Were there any gift baskets involved? Later From the article: “I spoke to a number of women the last couple of years who told me about Callaway,” Kay said in a rant that lasted more than 15 minutes. “They said he's one of the biggest dogs you've ever seen in baseball. So it was well known. And the guy keeps getting jobs. The Mets hired him. How did the Mets not know? The women that are covering the team were getting hit on constantly in texts and the Mets had no clue whatsoever.” Hey dickhead. If you knew, why didn't you say anything? Why did you stay quiet? Imagine the lack of self awareness it takes to write that article.

MFS62 Feb 03 2021 03:32 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

=Centerfield post_id=55389 time=1612391434 user_id=65] Hey dickhead. If you knew, why didn't you say anything? Why did you stay quiet? Imagine the lack of self awareness it takes to write that article.

Exactly.

Later

MFS62 Feb 03 2021 03:33 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

=Centerfield post_id=55389 time=1612391434 user_id=65] From the article: “I spoke to a number of women the last couple of years who told me about Callaway,” Kay said in a rant that lasted more than 15 minutes. “They said he's one of the biggest dogs you've ever seen in baseball. So it was well known. And the guy keeps getting jobs. The Mets hired him. How did the Mets not know? The women that are covering the team were getting hit on constantly in texts and the Mets had no clue whatsoever.” Hey dickhead. If you knew, why didn't you say anything? Why did you stay quiet? Imagine the lack of self awareness it takes to write that article.

Exactly.

Later

nymr83 Feb 03 2021 08:13 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I don't know if Kay should have said anything or not. But to say "how could you not know" when you yourself knew and didn't say anything - well, that is why they didn't know you fucking idiot! because people like you didn't say anything!

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 04 2021 06:08 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I don't know if it's his place to say something as a journalist without having checked it out himself. In retrospect he could have whispered to Jeff but to have publicly said something is problematic if the victims are unwilling to verify, which they were until now. It probably wasn't Kay, but some other journo brought this story to the attention of those who broke it. It's also possible Kay is only relaying what was known in 18 when the Mets were tipped and subsequently did nothing

Lefty Specialist Feb 04 2021 06:56 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I don't know if Kay should have said anything or not. But to say "how could you not know" when you yourself knew and didn't say anything - well, that is why they didn't know you fucking idiot! because people like you didn't say anything! I'm guessing that Kay a) didn't want to get on anyone's shit list, or b) thought it was just 'boys being boys', but now gets to harrumph about it.

MFS62 Feb 04 2021 07:45 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: It probably wasn't Kay, but some other journo brought this story to the attention of those who broke it. It's also possible Kay is only relaying what was known in 18 when the Mets were tipped and subsequently did nothing He apparently knew longer than that. “I spoke to a number of women the last couple of years who told me about Callaway,” Kay said in a rant that lasted more than 15 minutes And didn't say or do anything. Later

G-Fafif Feb 04 2021 08:22 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

On the Metrospective podcast, Tim Britton of the Athletic describes knowing a Mickey situation existed pretty much from the start of Callaway's Met tenure (“whispers”) and that it was clear as 2018 progressed. His thought process about not having reported it indicates not really wanting to pursue the story — he rationalizes he reported on his being a bad manager and calling for his firing, therefore he was steering toward the merited conclusion independent of Callaway's creepiness. He gives a good explanation of why a reporter might not want go to an editor to complain about the creepiness: if you (presumably one of the harassed women) don't want to accept a manager's invitation to “get beers,” maybe you shouldn't be on this beat...and covering a Major League Baseball team is a plum assignment. The subject comes up around the 6:00 mark and goes for about eight minutes. (Available on other pod platforms if you don't subscribe to the Athletic.) https://theathletic.com/podcast/38-the-metrospective/?episode=136

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 04 2021 09:00 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: It probably wasn't Kay, but some other journo brought this story to the attention of those who broke it. It's also possible Kay is only relaying what was known in 18 when the Mets were tipped and subsequently did nothing He apparently knew longer than that. “I spoke to a number of women the last couple of years who told me about Callaway,” Kay said in a rant that lasted more than 15 minutes And didn't say or do anything. Those remarks I'm sure we're not "on the record" so to speak, and Kay ultimately is a talk show host journalist and not necessarily an investigative journalist. As relayed by Britton above there is nuance to it that's lost. It's not in every jockporters' purview or professional best interests, to be trafficking this stuff, as noted the nature of it puts everyone in an awkward position

Edgy MD Feb 04 2021 09:08 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

It does. But somebody's got to be the grown-up.

metsmarathon Feb 04 2021 09:22 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

also, if you're a sports journalist, you likely work with some sort of investigative journalist in your organization, who might look to break a story wide open.

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 04 2021 02:38 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

That's pretty much how it happened, writers with an investigative bent and the juice to pull it off, got a hold of it, and got the victims to speak on the record if anonymously, checked out their stories, reached out to the affected orgs and Mickey for comment, wrote, edited etc. I agree it coulda come sooner given the Aug 2018 "investigation" thing that sort of came and went and Kay taking a victory lap here is not tasteful or warranted but sorta irrelevant

Centerfield Feb 04 2021 04:29 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Edgy MD wrote: It does. But somebody's got to be the grown-up. Exactly.

Marshmallowmilkshake Feb 04 2021 05:11 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

=metsmarathon post_id=55411 time=1612455740 user_id=83] also, if you're a sports journalist, you likely work with some sort of investigative journalist in your organization, who might look to break a story wide open.

Journalists generally like to keep themselves out of the news. It's heartbreaking to read these stories about what the female journalists have to go through. They are victims.

Centerfield Feb 04 2021 07:41 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Lefty Specialist wrote: I don't know if Kay should have said anything or not. But to say "how could you not know" when you yourself knew and didn't say anything - well, that is why they didn't know you fucking idiot! because people like you didn't say anything! I'm guessing that Kay a) didn't want to get on anyone's shit list, or b) thought it was just 'boys being boys', but now gets to harrumph about it. This is right.

G-Fafif Mar 02 2021 06:20 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

New Athletic article with more self-inflicted Mickey mud, mostly about Cleveland, but with this Flushing nugget: ”He was on his phone all the time,” recalled one male Mets employee. “(I was like), ‘Two hours before a game, buddy? Aren't you having a meeting?' You could tell it had nothing to do with the game. It's 5:15, who are you texting?” According to one former Mets employee, Callaway earned a nickname among several people within the organization: “Dick Pic Mick.”

Benjamin Grimm Mar 02 2021 06:25 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Good grief. If he was so bad at hiding it then obviously a lot of people were looking the other way. What do you do though, if you have a co-worker who outranks you and is behaving badly? I know what the right thing to do is, but it's not at all an easy thing to do.

smg58 Mar 02 2021 06:38 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Good grief. If he was so bad at hiding it then obviously a lot of people were looking the other way. What do you do though, if you have a co-worker who outranks you and is behaving badly? I know what the right thing to do is, but it's not at all an easy thing to do. I'm worried that people who DID outrank Callaway knew.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 02 2021 06:39 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Yes, but that's a different story. Those people definitely should have done something. And that's a story that needs to be told.

G-Fafif May 26 2021 02:25 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

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kcmets May 26 2021 03:29 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I didn't re-read the whole thread but seriously what are people thinking these days? In simpler times I guess it was not put stuff in writing or get recorded on a phone call. Who takes a picture of their cock and sends it to co-workers or colleagues? Mickey does. Gotta be some mental illness thing because dumb and stupid don't apply here.

MFS62 May 26 2021 03:47 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Who takes a picture of their cock and sends it to co-workers or colleagues? One congressman showed his weiner: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394860/Anthony-Weiner-Twitter-scandal-I-sent-lewd-photos-6-women-lied-it.html Later

kcmets May 26 2021 06:51 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

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Edgy MD May 26 2021 07:53 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Would I be right to infer that Callaway has subsequently committed a new infraction during his suspension, or that further investigation has turned up an uglier past? Or, most simply, that he's being punished for what is already known, but we've just now reached a point where we've confirmed it all with full confidence? If we've got a increased penalty but no information on what triggered it, it's going to come out one way or another, probably quite soon. My total out-of-my-ass guess is that they cannot announce more because there are possible charges being weighed against him and perhaps others. And then my mind does this weird jump from Mickey to Don Jr. to Matt Gaetz. That's crazy, right?

Benjamin Grimm May 26 2021 08:17 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

My guess is that it's this: we've just now reached a point where we've confirmed it all with full confidence

Edgy MD May 26 2021 09:23 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Yeah, there's something that's changed about me this last year or so — where I'm no longer believing the simplest explanation is the likeliest, but I'm instead gravitating toward the wackiest. Out loud. RICHARD PRYOR FAKED THE MOON LANDING!

Edgy MD May 26 2021 10:47 PM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

Not noted above but within a half hour of MLB's announcement came a subsequent announcement from the Angels that Mickey had been let go.

Fman99 May 27 2021 06:17 AM Re: Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

I'm sure he's still very employable as "guy with creepy beard who is creepy." I mean, there must be a market for that somewhere?