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Johnny Lunchbucket
Apr 16 2021 06:44 AM

dinosaur jesus wrote:

Gooden and Young had a good chance, but it never happened.



As it happens, Roadblock Jones and Al Jackson did start both ends of a doubleheader: April 29, 1962. Jackson shut out the Phillies in the opener, while Jackson pitched into the fifth in the nightcap, giving up six runs in a 10-2 loss. It was his last major league start.



On August 17, 1980, Ray Burris and Roy Lee Jackson did it, as the Mets were swept by the Phillies.



That may be it. If so, the only three times it's happened have been against the Phillies. We've been swept and split. It's time for a sweep of our own.


This was a great find. Also notable, this week we had to have seen the greatest spread between starting pitcher uni-numbers in Mets DH history 0 & 99.



Anyone know where I can find the Mets all-time record in DHs? I think things are complicated today as split DHs aren't really considered DHs anymore

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 16 2021 07:00 AM
Re: Doubleheader history

The Mets have played two games on the same date 503 times.



They won both games 105 times. The lost both games 168 times.



There were 103 instances where they won the first game and lost the second, and 123 where they lost the first and won the second.



There was one timewhere they won the first game and the second ended in a tie, and three times when they lost the first game and the second one was tied.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 16 2021 07:14 AM
Re: Doubleheader history

And here's how it breaks down:





































































[th]Opponent[/th][th]Result[/th][th]Count[/th]
AstrosLL13
AstrosLW8
AstrosWL6
AstrosWW10
BravesLL14
BravesLT1
BravesLW11
BravesWL6
BravesWW12
BrewersLL2
BrewersWW2
CardinalsLL17
CardinalsLW11
CardinalsWL18
CardinalsWW7
CubsLL13
CubsLW16
CubsWL18
CubsWT1
CubsWW11
DiamondbacksLL2
DiamondbacksLW1
DodgersLL7
DodgersLT1
DodgersLW6
DodgersWL5
DodgersWW2
ExposLL13
ExposLW12
ExposWL6
ExposWW10
GiantsLL17
GiantsLW12
GiantsWL4
GiantsWW3
MarinersLL1
MarlinsLL1
MarlinsLW3
MarlinsWW3
NationalsLL2
NationalsWL4
PadresLL4
PadresLW8
PadresWL2
PadresWW6
PhilliesLL27
PhilliesLT1
PhilliesLW11
PhilliesWL16
PhilliesWW13
PiratesLL14
PiratesLW15
PiratesWL7
PiratesWW14
RangersLW1
RedsLL13
RedsLW7
RedsWL9
RedsWW8
RockiesLL4
RockiesWL1
RockiesWW3
YankeesLL4
YankeesLW1
YankeesWL1
YankeesWW1

Edgy MD
Apr 16 2021 07:26 AM
Re: Doubleheader history

Dock Ellis and Ray Burris did not share a doubleheader in their month or so they both resided in the Mets rotation.

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 16 2021 11:43 AM
Re: Doubleheader history

Has anyone seen or heard stats for the 7-inning doubleheaders? I'm curious if there are any divergences from 100+ years of results. Like does the away team win more? I would guess yes. Are there more sweeps? I would guess no?

Ceetar
Apr 16 2021 12:28 PM
Re: Doubleheader history

not sure there's enough sample for that.





There are rules about how many doubleheaders a team can play. There might be an exemption for Covid, but these aren't Covid ones. Wonder if that starts to play in.

Edgy MD
Apr 16 2021 12:34 PM
Re: Doubleheader history

dinosaur jesus wrote:
On August 17, 1980, Ray Burris and Roy Lee Jackson did it, as the Mets were swept by the Phillies.


I believe this was part of the season-wrecking five-games-in-three-days sweep.



Torre's Mets were as understocked as always, but they were somehow playing in top form for about four weeks and pulled within eight games of first. The Phils were three out, and so theoretically within the Mets reach.



But five games in three games was more than they could answer the bell for. If they were actually competitive in any of them, it sure didn't feel like it. The Phillies ran over them like a steamroller, sending them plummeting back toward the cellar, and the Phils rocketing toward their first world championship.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 16 2021 01:01 PM
Re: Doubleheader history

My strongest memory of that stretch in 1980 when the Mets were playing out of their minds, bedsides the Hendu homer, is a Warner Wolf recap segment where he was going nutso over the Mets. Warner was also out of his mind on that night.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 16 2021 01:21 PM
Re: Doubleheader history

Edgy MD wrote:

I believe this was part of the season-wrecking five-games-in-three-days sweep.


Was that when Bo Diaz hit a grand slam? I don't recall the details of that homer, just that it was by Bo Diaz and that it was devastating.



I can't remember the name of the guy on the Giants who hit that three-run homer in the Wild Card game against the Giants in 2016, but I remember Bo Diaz.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 16 2021 01:25 PM
Re: Doubleheader history

Nope, the Bo Diaz grand slam was in 1983. What a terrible ninth inning. Four consecutive walks and then a home run.



http://ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=3366&font=1>

Edgy MD
Apr 16 2021 02:01 PM
Re: Doubleheader history

I got it here.



After taking two of three on the road in Pittsburgh, the Mets came home on August 13 to host Philadelphia in a three-game set plus two makeups. It wasn't five games in three days, as I remember, but five in four. The Mets had pulled within 7.5 games of first, and within a single win of a .500 winning percentage. The papers reported that the team had .500. What's more is that the Phils weren't three games out as I remember, but five, so they were far more than theoretically within reach as the series began. They were in striking range, needing to fend off the Mets for the honor of chasing the Bucs and Expos, tied for first.



And then the roof caved in.


[list]

  • [*]August 14: Phils 8, Mets 1
    [list]
  • [*]Mets manage only five hits, three by ephemeral star outfielder Claudell Washington, who provided the team's only run with a solo homer.

  • [*]They actually used Butch Benton to pinch-hit. Can you imagine how at the end of your rope you had to be to use Butch Benton as a pinch hitter?

  • [*]Nino Espinosa — so clearly the weak link in the rotation that the Phils asked him to pretend he was hurt in the post-season, so they could add Marty Bystrom to the roster — went the distance for the Phils.
    • [/list]
  • [*]August 15: Phils 8, Mets 0
    [list]
  • [*]Phils outhit the Mets 16-6.

  • [*]Three-inning save for Tug McGraw, who really started hitting his stride.

  • [*]Alex Treviño caught Lonnie Smith stealing twice.
    • [/list]
  • [*]August 16: Phils 11, Mets 6
    [list]
  • [*]Craig Swan pounded, giving up seven runs on 10 hit in just 3 1/3 inings.

  • [*]Four more hits for Washington, including a double and a triple.
    • [/list]
  • [*]August 17 (1): Phils 9, Mets 4
    [list]
  • [*]Complete game by Hall-of-Famer Steve Carlton, allowing two earned and two unearned runs while striking out 11.
    • [/list]
  • [*]August 17 (2): Phils 4, Mets 1
    [list]
  • [*]A whopping six hits to go around, with reserve outfielder Jerry Morales hogging three of them for himself.

  • [*]The lone RBI came from Doug Flynn.
    • [/list][/list]

    The super-sweep would be the beginning of horrid 2-25 stretch for the Mets, while the Phils were sent on their way. Five or six weeks later, the season ended with the Phils on top, one game up on the [CROSSOUT]Pirates[/CROSSOUT] Expos, and the Mets 24 games behind.

    G-Fafif
    Apr 16 2021 02:23 PM
    Re: Doubleheader history

    Every day that summer I couldn't wait to run out and buy the papers to soak up every morsel of the Magic and was convinced we'd use the Phillies series as a jumping off point.



    On Monday August 18, I bought nothing and read nothing. As for jumping off, good thing the windows didn't raise too high.



    I felt phantom pennant race pains for a couple more weeks. They'll turn it around, they'll turn it around... They didn't. The getaway 18-inning loss to the miserable Padres on August 27 is what convinced me contention was probably irretrievable. Probably.



    (It was the Expos who finished second.)