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The Case Against the Eagles

Willets Point May 06 2021 08:18 PM

As the CPF's official Eagles hater, I don't need any convincing. Nevertheless, I found this article about the complicated legacy of the Eagles to be interesting.

kcmets May 06 2021 08:44 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

I made it through most of that but couldn't finish.

dinosaur jesus May 06 2021 08:44 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

I was expecting some dirt on Norm Van Brocklin and Dick Vermeil. But I guess the other Eagles suck too. I do kind of like "Take It Easy," though.

Edgy MD May 06 2021 09:00 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

I was not familiar with "Teenage Jail," and goodness gracious, that is every bit as bad as promised.

Fman99 May 07 2021 07:07 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

Eagles and Phillies fans are all savages, of course. I don't have to read any article to formulate that opinion.

kcmets May 07 2021 07:37 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

It's about the rock band a lot of people have issues with, not the City of Brotherly Duh.

Fman99 May 07 2021 07:45 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

=Fman99 post_id=63373 time=1620392863 user_id=86] Eagles and Phillies fans are all savages, of course. I don't have to read any article to formulate that opinion.

So, whups, article is about the band the Eagles. Their fans are also savages. I stand by my original declaration.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 07 2021 09:48 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

Edgy MD wrote: I was not familiar with "Teenage Jail," and goodness gracious, that is every bit as bad as promised. I'm tellin ya, I always felt THE LONG RUN was one of the worst albums of all time. That said I get what the guys in this article are saying now but received the eagles as they happened without giving all that extra shit a lot of thought. They made plenty of good songs, until they stopped making them, they obviously had talent and ambition and arrogance that stars need, and I think LEBOWSKI helped to inspire this kind of further-examination of them particularly that a lot of the cultural phenomena of their era also wouldn't withstand unscathed.

Double Switch May 07 2021 09:54 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

They weren't the only ones. Everything said about the Eagles can and has been said about Crosby Stills Nash and particularly Young.

Willets Point May 07 2021 10:21 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

I remember that reunion tour in the mid-90s with the high ticket prices because my girlfriend's brother and his wife bought tickets but the show didn't sell out. Rather than playing in front of a crowd that was not at capacity, or lower ticket prices, the Eagles canceled the show and announced the failure to sell out as the reason why. Dicks.

Marshmallowmilkshake May 07 2021 11:16 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

"Desperado" is like a parody of a song by a guy looking to impress girls because he's so sensitive. It wallows in ick. That said, I can't deny the peaks are amazing -- "Lake it to the Limit," "One of These Nights" and "Hotel California." But a lot of their stuff to these ears comes off as self-important, over-wrought and pretentious. I feel the same way about Jackson Brown's stuff.

TransMonk May 07 2021 11:19 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

The Eagles suck. There is nothing I like about them. And, I'll take Joe Walsh's non-Eagle stuff over any of the others'. https://i.imgflip.com/2419ur.jpg>

kcmets May 07 2021 12:13 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

I'm fine with most of stuff on their early greatest hits album. Except Desparado, I'd only give that song a full spin if I was chronically constipated and needed some help going.

Edgy MD May 07 2021 12:38 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

We had a lovely Crane Pool meetup at my apartment in DC. When one of the Crane children selected a CD of mine to play, Kase said kind of teasingly, "Isn't that a little before your time?" The child, taking the question as positive affirmation, replied, "I like a LOT of that music! My favorite band is the Eagles!" Kase seemingly understood his role was to give the kind child the affirmation she was craving in a room full of adults, but he wasn't biting, and deadpanned, "Yeah, I don't think I can go with you there." I wanted to applaud.

kcmets May 07 2021 01:19 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

I was thinking about that weekend the other day. I have a few tailgate pictures buried somewhere.

cal sharpie May 07 2021 04:22 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

In 1974 I went to see King Crimson opening for the Eagles. KC were at their peak and put on a great show. Having to sit through an Eagles set was interminable and I've hated them since. I cannot credit Willets Point as the prime Eagles hater in this forum as I have likely hated them longer.

Willets Point May 07 2021 04:33 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

cal sharpie wrote: In 1974 I went to see King Crimson opening for the Eagles. KC were at their peak and put on a great show. Having to sit through an Eagles set was interminable and I've hated them since. I cannot credit Willets Point as the prime Eagles hater in this forum as I have likely hated them longer. I will happily cede the title to you.

whippoorwill May 07 2021 04:41 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

Kinda surprised someone would not like the Eagles.

Edgy MD May 07 2021 08:49 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

The idea that the Eagles and their ethics are right in the middle of the question about how the Woodstock Generation became the #MAGA Generation could be a book-length subject.

G-Fafif May 08 2021 01:41 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

Bill Simmons on the Eagles documentary of eight years ago remains a classic. Reason No. 14: Glenn Frey, Raconteur Actual excerpts from two stories Frey tells during Part One … 1. “We decided we'd go to the Bahamas to gamble. Everyone but Don was holding. I had like four joints in a baggie stuffed down my sock down my cowboy boot. Dirk the pilot has a joint. Irving had about 30 Valiums and a sugar pack … “15 2. “I was riding shotgun in a Corvette with a drug dealer on the way to a poker game. And the next thing I knew we're going about 90 miles an hour, holding big time. I say, ‘Hey, man, what are you doing?' And he looked at me and he grinned and he goes, ‘Life in the fast lane.' And I thought, immediately, Now there's a song title.” (Please read Story No. 2 another 10 to 12 times, then answer this question: Of the kajillion times someone has ever been interviewed for a documentary over the past 50 years, has any story ever been a bigger in-the-moment lock to make the final cut than Frey's “How I came up with ‘Life in the Fast Lane'” story? It's incredible. I was riding shotgun in a Corvette with a drug dealer on the way to a poker game … WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?) Reason No. 15: Glenn Frey, Guy Always on the Lookout for a Song Title We just saw how he came up with “Life in the Fast Lane.” Earlier in Part One, he remembers coming up with “Tequila Sunrise” after a moment that includes, yes, tequila and a sunrise. Later, a friend remembers eating at a place called Dan Tana's once with Frey and “looking at some young girl with some older guy at the bar, and Glenn says, ‘Look at those lyin' eyes.' Just like that, there's the song.” Come on, nobody could have been THAT good at coming up with song titles, right? Wasn't there a time when Frey and Henley were getting massages from two hot masseuses, and Henley said something like, “Nothing like washing away a hangover with strong fingers and body oil,” then Frey wasted the next three weeks writing a song called “Strong Fingers and Body Oil”? I refuse to believe Frey's batting average was that good. https://grantland.com/features/the-eagles-greatest-hit/

Double Switch May 08 2021 03:01 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

I thought the Eagles originally were Linda Ronstadt's backup band. Then they recorded some J D Souther songs. I thought it was interesting when Joe Walsh joined, gave them some gravitas. There - that's it. My entire Eagles fund of info. Never got around to hating them. Otoh, don't get me started on Ray Manzarek.

smg58 May 08 2021 04:02 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

I don't get the hatred, beyond what is normal for a popular band that you don't personally like. They were polished and catchy with carefully thought out songs; yeah that might not appeal to punk fans, but there are reasons why they outsold The Ramones. You do have to take them with many grains of salt, though. As good as the Hotel California song and album are, they are singing about their own decadence, not somebody else's. And Glenn Frey comes across as a total jerk every time he sings lead, even as the chorus of "Lyin' Eyes" has been burned into all of our brains. So you absolutely have to respect the craftsmanship, even if you wouldn't want to know them personally.

Edgy MD May 09 2021 08:07 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

Well, maybe a walk down Memory Lane will help. Robert Christgau, as far back as 1972, had praise for the Eagless coming and going, while declaring, "Another thing that interests me about the Eagles is that I hate them." That's prophet-level work.

Willets Point May 09 2021 10:34 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

Wow, Christgau saw right through them from the start. Tangentially, I find hilarious that "Dean of American Rock Critics," which started as joke, is unironically used in the header of that website.

Willets Point May 09 2021 10:38 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

Edgy MD wrote: The idea that the Eagles and their ethics are right in the middle of the question about how the Woodstock Generation became the #MAGA Generation could be a book-length subject. This article was brought to my attention when I was discussing with a writer on Twitter about Van Morrison's late in life shift to right wing conspiracy theorist and how that fits in the transformation of the Flower Power Generation to MAGA Generation. Christgau's 1972 article has some interesting insights on the same theme.

cal sharpie May 09 2021 10:55 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

Eric Clapton has apparently joined Van Morrison in anti-science thought. Thing is I do very much like the Eagles' forbears, the Byrds, Flying Burrito Brothers, Poco, et al. There was always a calculating edge to their sound, that LA wash that I've always reacted against — plus the toxic lyrics.

Edgy MD May 09 2021 11:57 AM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

Willets Point wrote: Wow, Christgau saw right through them from the start. Tangentially, I find hilarious that "Dean of American Rock Critics," which started as joke, is unironically used in the header of that website. Yeah, that's Eagles-level irony.

Edgy MD May 09 2021 12:00 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

cal sharpie wrote: Thing is I do very much like the Eagles' forbears, the Byrds, Flying Burrito Brothers, Poco, et al. There was always a calculating edge to their sound, that LA wash that I've always reacted against — plus the toxic lyrics. The thing is that you don't want to look at those forebears (and I'll add CSN and the Beach Boys) through the lens of what the Eagles became, but you're kind of challenged to do just that. I'm thinking of making a Laurel Canyon board game, but like Christgau listening to the early Eagles, it gives me a good feeling that ultimately leads to a really icky and sad feeling.

whippoorwill May 09 2021 01:38 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

"Desperado" is like a parody of a song by a guy looking to impress girls because he's so sensitive. It wallows in ick. That said, I can't deny the peaks are amazing -- "Lake it to the Limit," "One of These Nights" and "Hotel California." But a lot of their stuff to these ears comes off as self-important, over-wrought and pretentious. I feel the same way about Jackson Brown's stuff. Early Jackson Browne was awesome How do you feel about Linda Ronstadt's Desperado? I loved early Eagles but they later did lose their charm for me when they began to break up. Though probably my favorite Eagles song is I can't Tell You Why, which was later My son got me an Eagles Greatest Hits album for Christmas (and I had it years ago) and have played it pretty regularly. Some songs really take me back On Hotel California I played Wasted Time over and over, as well as Last Resort New Kid In Town at the time reminded me of Lee Mazzilli....

Frayed Knot May 09 2021 03:36 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

I girl I knew in college was having some trouble in Guy-ville and stewed over it by playing 'Wasted Time' over and over a few hundred times. (OK, probably not that many but it was certainly more than a couple) And while tend to think that this Eagles hate-a-thon is a bit over the top, any discussion of it isn't complete without this (play whichever link works) [YOUTUBE]YXs6W_o_gu8[/YOUTUBE] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXs6W_o_gu8

Double Switch May 09 2021 07:29 PM Re: The Case Against the Eagles

As far as hating the Eagles, I am reluctant to waste the energy to hate some people who can do what I could never do, which is create music and make a living from it, and who don't give a tiny damn for my opinion of them. I spend my hate capacity on stuff that affects my existence*, not some LA-based band of geezers. *The GQP