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IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Fman99 Jun 12 2021 09:11 PM

Going for a sweep. Chris Paddock v Joey Lucchesi

bmfc1 Jun 13 2021 07:39 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

They can't wait to get to COL after the game and are already thinking about the flight. FINISH THEM.

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2021 08:03 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

My expectations are low for Joey. But if they can snag this one somehow, that'd be awesome. You kind of get the feeling the Padres are due for a game where they just stomp the living crap out of someone.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 13 2021 08:07 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

=bmfc1 post_id=67750 time=1623591543 user_id=73] They can't wait to get to COL after the game ....

I can't wait for Wednesday. Wednesday is d-Day.

kcmets Jun 13 2021 08:42 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/NYM.png> 33-24 Guillorme 3b Lindor ss Alonso 1b Smith lf Pillar rf Nido c Williams cf Peraza 2b Lucchesi (1-4, 5.79) https://www.kcmets.com/CPF/SD.png> 37-29 TBA Paddack (2-5), 4.27)

kcmets Jun 13 2021 09:32 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/NYM.png> 33-24 Guillorme 3b Lindor ss Alonso 1b Smith lf Pillar rf Nido c Williams cf Peraza 2b Lucchesi (1-4, 5.79) https://www.kcmets.com/CPF/SD.png> 37-29 Pham lf Tatis ss Machado 3b Myers rf Hosmer 1b Kim 2b Rivas c Mateo cf Paddack (2-5, 4.27)

dinosaur jesus Jun 13 2021 11:21 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Can we trade for a starter like, now?

dinosaur jesus Jun 13 2021 11:23 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Thank god they have Hosmer.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 11:27 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Guillorme blows up the shift.

Chad ochoseis Jun 13 2021 12:08 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Just flipped on the game. First word I heard was "churve".

dinosaur jesus Jun 13 2021 12:14 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

That turned out to be a really nice four innings by Lucchesi.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 12:20 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Chasing upstairs has been an epidemic for the Mets today.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 12:39 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

THERE IT IS!!!

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 12:40 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

dinosaur jesus wrote: That turned out to be a really nice four innings by Lucchesi. Indeed, a nice five.

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2021 12:49 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Peraza is a nice little player. Would have let Lucchesi go another inning- 12 outs is a lot to get.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 12:52 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Lefty Specialist wrote: Peraza is a nice little player. Would have let Lucchesi go another inning- 12 outs is a lot to get. Or at least another hitter or two. And with the short bench, they may end up without an available pinch-hitter in a bigger spot than the one they just burned Drury in.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 12:54 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Machado has been jogging down the line through both of these series.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 12:56 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Terrific job coming back, Jay-or-ease.

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2021 01:16 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Why Familia for a second inning? This is playing with dynamite.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 13 2021 01:27 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

No Castro, no Diaz probably

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 13 2021 01:30 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Phamilia

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2021 01:30 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

And the dynamite goes off.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 01:31 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

He should have been pulled at least 10 pitches ago.

bmfc1 Jun 13 2021 01:32 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Managerial neglect by Luis. Loup for Profar. Profar is hitting .217 and when Familia walked him it was obviously time to get him out. Obvious to everyone except Luis.

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2021 01:33 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

If they're short in the bullpen, why pull Lucchesi early when he's cruising?

bmfc1 Jun 13 2021 01:35 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Lefty Specialist wrote: If they're short in the bullpen, why pull Lucchesi early when he's cruising? Exactly. Luis' philosophy is to take out his starters too early rather than too late but with a short 'pen they needed another inning.

Fman99 Jun 13 2021 01:36 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Ugh why was Familia left in there to face Pham! So dumb.

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2021 01:36 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Barnes gives up the homer to his first batter again. Malpractice.

bmfc1 Jun 13 2021 01:38 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

=Fman99 post_id=67791 time=1623612964 user_id=86] Ugh why was Familia left in there to face Pham! So dumb.

Familia walked a .217 hitter so obviously, you leave him in to face a superior hitter. DUH!

Fman99 Jun 13 2021 01:38 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Ah, Jacob Barnes showing off his signature move.

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2021 01:39 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Barnes has perfected the confused look after giving up a long bomb.

Gwreck Jun 13 2021 01:53 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Jacob Barnes is not the correct call in a game-critical situation. Full stop.

bmfc1 Jun 13 2021 02:13 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Time for Dom to hit the pine. He's now 0 for his last 20 and his glove isn't the reason he's in the lineup.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 02:18 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Cronenworth forgot who was running.

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2021 02:27 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

=bmfc1 post_id=67799 time=1623615180 user_id=73] Time for Dom to hit the pine. He's now 0 for his last 20 and his glove isn't the reason he's in the lineup.

Yeah, Dom's bat is a bit slow right now.

bmfc1 Jun 13 2021 02:37 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

In an alternate universe, Luis uses Loup against Profar (yeah, it would have been three days in a row but only one batter if he got him out), Profar makes an out, Gsellman and May finish it off and the Mets sweep... but that would have required a better manager.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 02:54 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Edgy MD wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Peraza is a nice little player. Would have let Lucchesi go another inning- 12 outs is a lot to get. Or at least another hitter or two. And with the short bench, they may end up without an available pinch-hitter in a bigger spot than the one they just burned Drury in. And so, Gselly became our last hope.

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2021 03:03 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

An annoying game. I'm OK with 2 out of 3, but this was a winnable game with better strategic thinking. Rojas/Hefner are slavish to the 'don't let him go third time through the order' thinking. If a pitcher's having a good day, roll with him until he weakens. The converse was true with Familia. He got out of his first inning just by the hair on his chinny-chin chin. Throwing him out there for a second inning (and sticking with him when he put the first two on) produced predictable results. Barnes is nothing special, except for his tendency to give up soul-crushing home runs. I don't even know why he's in this bullpen. They've got 14 pitchers; they had other options.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 03:10 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Yeah, it feels whiny to be complaining that one guy should have gone further and another guy should have gone less, but that's what happened. And in fact, allowing the first guy to continue could have helped bail out the second guy on the other end.

Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2021 03:45 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

And this is kind of a pattern, it's not just today. They don't go long enough with starters and too long with relievers, the first problem contributing to the second. How many times this year have we seen them pull someone who seemed to be dealing, an inning early, forcing an extra 3 outs on the bullpen? You can only get away with that for so long.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 13 2021 04:26 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Lefty Specialist wrote: An annoying game. I'm OK with 2 out of 3, but this was a winnable game with better strategic thinking. I thought all of the Padres games were winnable. Even the ones in SD. The Mets are getting strong starting pitching and when you have that, you're in every game.

kcmets Jun 13 2021 04:36 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Lefty Specialist wrote: And this is kind of a pattern, it's not just today. They don't go long enough with starters and too long with relievers, the first problem contributing to the second. How many times this year have we seen them pull someone who seemed to be dealing, an inning early, forcing an extra 3 outs on the bullpen? You can only get away with that for so long. 'They' and 'them' probably more key than some want to acknowledge after a disappointing loss and calling for the managers head. There's no way Luis, and probably most managers these days, have full autonomy on what to do. Progress, only when it works though...

Frayed Knot Jun 13 2021 05:14 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

This entire game was a series of missed opportunities by both offenses -- getting leadoff hitters on then not cashing them in and often not even moving them over -- until the Pads finally redeemed their coupons all at once. Somebody had to get a big hit eventually, it's just that that inning never should have gotten to Tatis. Different pitching decisions could have been made but you also shouldn't need a lefty to get out Profar, particularly not after having him down 1-2 and particularly not with the three batter rule which would have left Loup in to face Pham & Tatis if HE allowed Profar to reach. But also, pitching issues aside, Pete, Dom & Nido led the suck parade from the other side of the ball so it was more than just that one half-inning. Could we have won that game? Sure, if we had managed more than one meaningful hit in the entire game while the Pads kept up their 1-1 ratio of GiDPs & Innings, but those are tough odds to rely on.

Gwreck Jun 13 2021 07:21 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Frayed Knot wrote: Somebody had to get a big hit eventually I don't believe that. There are plenty of 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 games that the Mets have and will play in this season. Could we have won that game? Sure, if we had managed more than one meaningful hit in the entire game while the Pads kept up their 1-1 ratio of GiDPs & Innings, but those are tough odds to rely on. It's convenient to point to the offensive inadequacies of the team, the 3 starters out with injuries, and so forth. Obviously that remains a huge unsolved problem. But this was still a winnable game with 2 runs. It was not a fait accompli the Padres would get a big hit.

Frayed Knot Jun 13 2021 07:33 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Of course it's not a guarantee that they were to get a big hit, but we had already dodged a bunch of bullets all game with four GiDPs and a couple at'em balls so the odds run against you when you hit so many of those and the 7th inning merely wound up being the one we didn't dodge. EVERY game is winnable if you get key outs EVERY time they're needed, but get into enough of those and the odds start to shrink towards zero of actually doing so.

Gwreck Jun 13 2021 07:47 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Frayed Knot wrote: Of course it's not a guarantee that they were to get a big hit, but we had already dodged a bunch of bullets all game with four GiDPs and a couple at'em balls so the odds run against you when you hit so many of those I am not a professional mathematician but that's not how I understand odds work. Especially given changing variables (the fortuitous Lucchesi-induced GIDPs are not reflective of the odds of Familia getting a fortuitous GIDP). I do agree that Familia's second inning (and his first) were indicative of problems.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2021 08:04 PM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Of course, if José Peraza is still a Met, then the Mets got a big hit. If only one.

Frayed Knot Jun 14 2021 04:11 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Frayed Knot wrote: Of course it's not a guarantee that they were to get a big hit, but we had already dodged a bunch of bullets all game with four GiDPs and a couple at'em balls so the odds run against you when you hit so many of those I am not a professional mathematician but that's not how I understand odds work. Especially given changing variables (the fortuitous Lucchesi-induced GIDPs are not reflective of the odds of Familia getting a fortuitous GIDP). Not that the early escapes made the 7th inning more likely to not escape, but that getting into jams in multiple innings makes it more likely one or more is going to come crashing down on you. This one just happened to do so in spades. Would I have brought in Loup for Profar? Absolutely not, for reasons stated above. Should Familia have been pulled earlier? I would have yanked him after the Profar walk but that brings into question who's next. If not Barnes then maybe Smith first but I don't know that that's demonstrably a better choice. Gone longer with Lucchesi? Yeah maybe, but him falling apart in the sixth would bring out a slew of 'How did he not see that coming?' critiques. I suspect they had Drury ready to PH anticipating one or two on and one out in a scoreless game when Peraza surprised with a 1st-pitch HR. Could have pivoted there but they didn't.

Lefty Specialist Jun 14 2021 05:16 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

Lucchesi obviously has a short leash. But you have to at least let him open the 6th. If he falters, a quick hook. And you bring in Smith as Familia has determined over a long period of time that he cannot come in with runners on base. The second inning for Familia made no sense. He'd already thrown 17 pitches and barely escaped the previous inning. You bring in Smith or Gsellman or Trevor May in that spot. Hell, even Barnes if he starts with a clean slate. There were options.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 14 2021 06:19 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

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Edgy MD Jun 14 2021 06:46 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

The problem with the "third time through the lineup" thinking is that it distorts the situation. You don't decide whether to continue with your pitcher nine batters at a time. Especially after the fifth, you ask your pitcher to get one more batter. Just one. If he does, you reassess and maybe ask him to get another. If he doesn't, you reassess, and maybe pull him. Unfortunately this also dovetails with "dry hump" thinking — the almost completely illogical notion that if you warm up a pitcher, you're obliged to put him in the game.

smg58 Jun 14 2021 06:52 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 14 2021 10:25 AM

If the starter is pitching well and your pen is thin, asking the starter for six should be a no-brainer. This is real baseball, not Strat-O-Matic. The game came down to a chess match between Familia/Nido and Profar. Profar made it clear on the pitch that made the count 2-2 that he wasn't going to keep biting on the slider, but Familia kept throwing it. They lost the mental game badly there. I didn't understand why Barnes was kept up when Reid-Foley was sent down, and I still don't. I get that you give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who doesn't have options, but who had doubts?

Benjamin Grimm Jun 14 2021 06:55 AM Re: IGT Padres at Mets Sun June 13

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