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CDC vs. NYY

Edgy MD May 13 2021 02:04 PM

CDC: You don't need masks outdoors if you've been vaccinated. Get out there! New York Yankees: Seven of our vaccinated players and personnel have just tested positive. Mind you, most of those positive tests represent a-symptomatic dudes, so the suggestion is that the vaccine is helping suppress the effects, but it's a troubling thing from where I sit and type.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2021 02:08 PM Re: CDC vs. NYY

Edgy MD wrote: CDC: You don't need masks outdoors if you've been vaccinated. Get out there! New York Yankees: Seven of our vaccinated players and personnel have just tested positive. Did their vaccines "kick in" yet? Or were they vaccinated like three days ago or something like that? Anyways, even if the vaccines did kick in, they're not infallible, and that's before even accounting for whether or not there are variants out there that can evade the vaccine's antibodies. But seven players seems like a high number from such a small sample (Yankees).

Edgy MD May 13 2021 02:12 PM Re: CDC vs. NYY

Especially when it's the vaccine (J&J) I'm working with.

Ceetar May 13 2021 02:21 PM Re: CDC vs. NYY

Edgy MD wrote: CDC: You don't need masks outdoors if you've been vaccinated. Get out there! New York Yankees: Seven of our vaccinated players and personnel have just tested positive. Did their vaccines "kick in" yet? Or were they vaccinated like three days ago or something like that? Anyways, even if the vaccines did kick in, they're not infallible, and that's before even accounting for whether or not there are variants out there that can evade the vaccine's antibodies. But seven players seems like a high number from such a small sample (Yankees). Yankees have been reported as having reached their 85% threshold, which I assume means it's kicked in. I wonder if it's just that relaxing protocols is obviously going to lead to exposure, and even if they're not contributing to rampant spread of the virus, it's not that big a surprise if you're testing a group of people regularly you'd get some asymptomatic exposure. I guess the big question becomes, did they all get it via exposure to the same person, or did they spread it amongst themselves?

Benjamin Grimm May 13 2021 02:40 PM Re: CDC vs. NYY

If they're 85% vaccinated then they probably have "herd immunity" among themselves, but they're still out and about mingling with other people. My guess is that those who are vaccinated but get sick anyway have probably had a high level of exposure. Maybe the players spent hours at a nightclub among the unmasked or something. Just speculation.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2021 02:50 PM Re: CDC vs. NYY

Edgy MD wrote: Especially when it's the vaccine (J&J) I'm working with. From what I've read, the J&J vaccine is extremely successful at preventing deaths and even hospitalizations from covid exposure.

MFS62 May 13 2021 02:54 PM Re: CDC vs. NYY

=Ceetar post_id=64148 time=1620937311 user_id=102] I guess the big question becomes, did they all get it via exposure to the same person, or did they spread it amongst themselves?

Check to see if they recently received gift baskets.

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Edgy MD May 13 2021 05:01 PM Re: CDC vs. NYY

Edgy MD wrote: Especially when it's the vaccine (J&J) I'm working with. From what I've read, the J&J vaccine is extremely successful at preventing deaths and even hospitalizations from covid exposure. Yeah, my concern is that (1) the Yankees and I can still contract and spread, even if we are a-symptomatic and our vaccine has mitigated the damage; and (2) knowing as little as we know about long-term effects to some systems and organs, I'd still rather the Yankees and I didn't contract at all, assuming I haven't. Sorry to put scare thread up. Epidemiology is sort of both a hard science and a soft science — a physical science and a social one. I guess I'm both desperate to and terrified to reintegrate, so I thought I'd blame the Yankees.

Lefty Specialist May 13 2021 06:12 PM Re: CDC vs. NYY

The vaccines are roughly 95% effective in preventing illness. So that means a 5% chance of still getting it. They do, however, confer approximately 100% protection against serious illness or hospitalization. If you get it, you won't be seriously compromised.

Edgy MD May 13 2021 06:56 PM Re: CDC vs. NYY

Well, my vaccine is reportedly more like 72-76% effective, which is an interesting number in that it sounds as if the Yankees uniform personnel were a test group, 100% of them got exposed and 72–76% of them away without contracting, while 24–28% tested positive. What it happens to be is more effective at fighting the illness if you do contract. But we've still got to be smart, and still got to be humble, as we're still doing a lot of hypothesizing on the fly. We've still got more than twice as many deaths as India. Anyhow, get well, Phil Nevin.

Fman99 May 14 2021 07:08 AM Re: CDC vs. NYY

Lefty Specialist wrote: The vaccines are roughly 95% effective in preventing illness. So that means a 5% chance of still getting it. They do, however, confer approximately 100% protection against serious illness or hospitalization. If you get it, you won't be seriously compromised. I read somewhere today that 99.7% of all people currently hospitalized with Covid were people who caught it and had not been vaccinated. Virtually no one who has gotten the vaccine and then the virus has had to go to hospitals for care. That's pretty great. Anti-vaxxers and vaccine hesitant people are just stupid.

Edgy MD May 14 2021 07:23 AM Re: CDC vs. NYY

I totally agree, and I wouldn't try to endorse hesitancy. If anything, I'm hesitant about what comes next, about the CDC guidance being herky-jerky, and about small businesses and localities left to go it alone on enforcement.

batmagadanleadoff May 14 2021 11:58 AM Re: CDC vs. NYY

Edgy MD wrote: New York Yankees: Seven of our vaccinated players and personnel have just tested positive. Eight. Gleyber Torres becomes the eighth vaccinated Yankee to test positive for the coronavirus https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/05/13/yankees-vaccinated-positive-coronavirus/

Frayed Knot May 14 2021 01:05 PM Re: CDC vs. NYY

Torres was vaccinated AND had previously had Covid.