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IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

kcmets
Jun 26 2021 06:07 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 27 2021 07:46 AM

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35-39

Wheeler P (5-4, 2.36)

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40-32

Stroman P (6-5, 2.32)



https://www.mlb.com/gameday/phillies-vs-mets/2021/06/27/633504#game_state=preview,lock_state=preview,game_tab=,game=633504 still has SNY

and MLBN listed but I trust ya'll more than them. At least I got the time right!

kcmets
Jun 26 2021 06:30 PM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

1:10 on SNY and MLBN (out of market only)

Frayed Knot
Jun 26 2021 06:33 PM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

NYM pitcher will be maybe Stroman, maybe someone not named Stroman

Going to be a tough game either way w/Wheeler out there coupled with our inability to hit pitchers not nearly as tough as Wheeler.

Be nice to steal it and walk away with 3 of 4

Braves lost today (Sat), Nats lost also (to the Marlins) and, hey, I heard the Phils lost their game too so a good Saturday all around.



Plus the Yanx are losing to the BoSox.

G-Fafif
Jun 26 2021 07:11 PM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

WPIX game Sunday.



Rojas says Stroman's a go.

Frayed Knot
Jun 26 2021 07:26 PM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

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WPIX game Sunday



Also, not an MLBN game.

Edgy MD
Jun 26 2021 09:47 PM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

The Mets have faced Wheelie five times already in his post Mets career, and he's been good but hittable — striking out 25 and walking only three in 33 2/3 innings, but yielding a .292 batting average against.



This year, he gave up 10 hits in 6 2/3 innings on April 14, as our A-team beat the Phils, 5-1. On May 1, just before the A-team started going down, they got four runs on seven hits in Philadelphia, ultimately being the Phils on a ninth-inning homer by Conforto off our buddy Hector Neris.

Chad ochoseis
Jun 27 2021 05:27 AM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

We got Stroman as a replacement for Wheeler, and they have performed close to identically this year.



Stro: 15 starts, 6-5, 2.32, 166 ERA+, 85 1/3 IP



Wheeler: 15 starts, 5-4, 2.36, 167 ERA+, 99 1/3 IP

Gwreck
Jun 27 2021 05:29 AM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

Chad ochoseis wrote:

We got Stroman as a replacement for Wheeler


Not a knock at Chad (since this “replacement” narrative came from elsewhere) but that is unmitigated nonsense. Failing to re-sign Wheeler, who wanted to remain a Met, was a big error.



In fact, the biggest failure to re-sign a player since…Reyes? Olerud?

kcmets
Jun 27 2021 07:48 AM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/PHI.png>

35-39

Wheeler P (5-4, 2.36)

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/NYM.png>

40-32

Stroman P (6-5, 2.32)



https://www.mlb.com/gameday/phillies-vs-mets/2021/06/27/633504#game_state=preview,lock_state=preview,game_tab=,game=633504 still has SNY

and MLBN listed but I trust ya'll more than them. At least I got the time right!

ashie62
Jun 27 2021 08:18 AM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

MLBN game would help Fman and a few.



Zack saves his best for the Mets.

kcmets
Jun 27 2021 09:05 AM
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35-39

Herrrera CF

Realmuto C

McCutchen LF

Hoskins 1B

Jankowski RF

Bohm 3B

Mazon 2B

Torreyes SS

Wheeler P (5-4, 2.36)

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40-32

Stroman P (6-5, 2.32)

G-Fafif
Jun 27 2021 09:09 AM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

McNeil 2B

Lindor SS

Alonso 1B

Conforto RF

McCann C

McKinney LF

Pillar CF

Guillorme 3B

Stroman RHP

Frayed Knot
Jun 27 2021 09:53 AM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets


Chad ochoseis wrote:

We got Stroman as a replacement for Wheeler


Not a knock at Chad (since this “replacement” narrative came from elsewhere) but that is unmitigated nonsense. Failing to re-sign Wheeler, who wanted to remain a Met, was a big error.



In fact, the biggest failure to re-sign a player since…Reyes? Olerud?


Except that he was a replacement for Wheeler, a pre-replacement or a hedge against failing to re-sign him if you prefer that wording.

That doesn't mean we have to be happy about it and can't still argue that they should have signed Wheeler in addition to trading for Stroman. But I don't think the fact that that didn't happen makes Chad's statement wrong. One was coming in the door just as the other was leaving and effectively occupies the place where ZW would have been.

Chad ochoseis
Jun 27 2021 10:17 AM
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Yeah, I wasn't opining on whether it made sense - just commenting on the rationale of the Mets' brass as filtered through the media. That being said, given how much Wheeler was asking for given what he had accomplished, I wouldn't have signed him.

Gwreck
Jun 27 2021 10:49 AM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

Frayed Knot wrote:
Except that he was a replacement for Wheeler, a pre-replacement or a hedge against failing to re-sign him if you prefer that wording.

That doesn't mean we have to be happy about it and can't still argue that they should have signed Wheeler in addition to trading for Stroman. But I don't think the fact that that didn't happen makes Chad's statement wrong. One was coming in the door just as the other was leaving and effectively occupies the place where ZW would have been.


Obviously it's partly semantics, but the words do matter. The idea that Stroman was a “replacement” for Wheeler was a stupid justification made by team executives to the media. There's no need to repeat it or dignify it, hence my objection.

Edgy MD
Jun 27 2021 11:26 AM
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I'm really enjoying Andy Samberg's "Travis Jankowski" character.

Edgy MD
Jun 27 2021 11:31 AM
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Bohm is my new favorite Phillie.

bmfc1
Jun 27 2021 11:37 AM
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Never give a runner the stop sign because you're asking for a flyball or hit and that's too much for the team to accomplish at this time.

Chad ochoseis
Jun 27 2021 11:44 AM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

Funny, I was just thinking the opposite. "Never make the second out at home" is close to a corollary to "Never make the first out at third base". All #LOLMets snide comments aside, I'd guess that with the middle of the order up, that runner scores 75% of the time. This just happened to be part of the other 25%.

Edgy MD
Jun 27 2021 11:51 AM
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McCann held that ball way too long.

bmfc1
Jun 27 2021 11:56 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:

McCann held that ball way too long.
He did but he's terrible.



Chad--agreed but this team can't hit.



Jeff McNeil--his head is up his ass. Stro's at 47 pitches thanks to about 10 extra pitches due to McNeil's blunder. This means that he'll only go 5 which is an extra-inning for the bullpen.



Umpires--why can't they make obvious calls correctly? Anyone that doesn't like replay (HOWIE!) needs to look at the Luis/foot call and this one. If the umpires were competent we wouldn't need replay.

Edgy MD
Jun 27 2021 12:03 PM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

I just can't get up for a Luis Guillorme at-bat when they are proceeded by a chorus that cries, "Louie, Louie, you're gonna cry!"

Edgy MD
Jun 27 2021 12:09 PM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

This same-side changeup question seems to have broken Keith. He was stumped, started and stopped several statements, went dead-mic for about five seconds, and came back with stammering word salad.



I think he's high.

Edgy MD
Jun 27 2021 12:12 PM
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Man, Hoskins really likes to take off his whole uniform and put it back on again between pitches, doesn't he?

Edgy MD
Jun 27 2021 12:20 PM
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This inning.



Ponderous and sloppy.

Chad ochoseis
Jun 27 2021 12:22 PM
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And the game started out so well defensively.

bmfc1
Jun 27 2021 12:23 PM
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MetsTwitter: Luis is great, JD is a bad player.

Uh... did you notice his misplay that helped cost them Game 2 on Friday and that play? JD is a superior player and can't get healthy fast enough, especially with how this team hits.

Gwreck
Jun 27 2021 01:06 PM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

We have 13 pitchers on the roster but can't hit for Oswalt when it really matters??

bmfc1
Jun 27 2021 01:09 PM
Re: IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

In Game 7 of the World Series Luis will be playing for Game 8.

ashie62
Jun 27 2021 01:11 PM
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I am fine going contrarian to say that the Mets should pursue a good bat.

Gwreck
Jun 27 2021 01:15 PM
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In Game 7 of the World Series Luis will be playing for Game 8.



The team *is* in first place, and maybe Luis is great at motivating the players, or running a cohesive clubhouse, or something else that we can't see.



If being judged on his skills as an in-game tactician, he is very bad.

batmagadanleadoff
Jun 27 2021 01:19 PM
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We have 13 pitchers on the roster but can't hit for Oswalt when it really matters??


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What the fuck was that all about with letting Oswalt hit? What the fuck is Rojas waiting for?

bmfc1
Jun 27 2021 01:22 PM
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=bmfc1 post_id=69376 time=1624820974 user_id=73]
In Game 7 of the World Series Luis will be playing for Game 8.



The team *is* in first place, and maybe Luis is great at motivating the players, or running a cohesive clubhouse, or something else that we can't see.



If being judged on his skills as an in-game tactician, he is very bad.


I agree. This must be a lot of good stuff going on when the game isn't.

I could make a better argument for letting Wheeler hit (Eickhoff is starting tomorrow and they don't have any off-days until the break) if McNeil wasn't a flaming bag of excrement since his return.

nymr83
Jun 27 2021 02:00 PM
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I am fine going contrarian to say that the Mets should pursue a good bat.



The Mets should pursue upgrades to the team, fuck where they play. Are the Twins going anywhere? Is Josh Donaldson available?

Edgy MD
Jun 27 2021 02:12 PM
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A score!



Pete Alonso, singles hitter is working for me.

Edgy MD
Jun 27 2021 02:31 PM
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Bunt it, Guillorme!



Nope.

Frayed Knot
Jun 27 2021 05:03 PM
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Obviously it's partly semantics, but the words do matter. The idea that Stroman was a “replacement” for Wheeler was a stupid justification made by team executives to the media. There's no need to repeat it or dignify it, hence my objection.


So how does this work then?

Is B only a replacement for A if we like B? Or if we approve of the logic that got him there? Or does it only count if B is > or = to A?

And of course what started this all off was Chad pointing out that, within the confines of this season at least (the only time they've been concurrently active since Stroman effectively replaced Wheeler in the NYM rotation)

they have been near statistical twins.



I didn't LIKE that Vince Coleman was signed to be a replacement for Darryl Strawberry ... but he WAS signed as a replacement for Darryl Strawberry. One OF'er left so they needed another one and chose him.

If Straw hadn't left then we'd have never signed Coleman. Or was the only way for Straw to be "replaced" (since that word is being used in quotes here) was with a clone of himself?

I don't get it.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 28 2021 06:33 AM
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