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Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage
Gwreck Jun 17 2021 11:54 AM |
As has been widely reported, 22 of the 30 MLB clubs have reached the 85% vaccination threshold.
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Ceetar Jun 17 2021 12:07 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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kcmets Jun 17 2021 01:34 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Gwreck Jun 17 2021 01:36 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Lefty Specialist Jun 17 2021 01:52 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Lefty Specialist Jun 17 2021 01:55 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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kcmets Jun 17 2021 02:10 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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I need to come out from under my rock more, I guess. Crazy...
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 17 2021 02:30 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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I'm generalizing here, but to simplify, I'd put those who refuse to get a covid vaccine into two categories: One - those who harbor serious long term safety concerns about the vaccines because the vaccines were rushed to market in a historically unprecedented manner. No vaccines were ever developed and approved in so short a time prior to covid-19. People in this category will tend to be young and very healthy, like professional athletes; and Two - Those nutjobs who think that the government is using the vaccine to inject tracking devices into its recipients, or some other tinfoil QAnon-like stolen election lunatic suspicion.
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roger_that Jun 17 2021 03:37 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Three-- those who would do anything, including "die," if it pisses off a few libtards.
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Edgy MD Jun 17 2021 04:09 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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MFS62 Jun 17 2021 04:24 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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OK. No booing. But is carrying a sign that says, "Why haven't you gotten vaccinated, you asshole?" out of the question? Later
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Lefty Specialist Jun 17 2021 05:01 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Ceetar Jun 17 2021 05:21 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Simpler: stupid people. There have been over 3 billion doses. This is an absolutely absurd take and it falls closer to the 'magnets and 5g chip' stance than any legitimate hesitancy. Some of this is poor education by the people supposed to be promoting this stuff, but a lot of it's that these guys lean conservative and while they might not be out and out fascists like the republican party, they still probably do things like listen to Joe Rogan. So any 'safety concerns' are filtered down from the qanon stuff, even if it's not as obvious. I'll absolutely boo these people. At best they're the guy in the office break room sneezing and coughing all over everything and not covering their mouth, while insisting "I don't get sick". Or the guy that visits a newborn without washing his hands.
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Edgy MD Jun 17 2021 06:33 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Fman99 Jun 17 2021 07:22 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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nymr83 Jun 17 2021 08:16 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Ceetar Jun 17 2021 08:24 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 17 2021 08:28 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Willets Point Jun 17 2021 08:58 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 17 2021 09:20 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Or sometimes a month or so. But I get your main point and also agree with you. But so long as science can't definitively rule out the possibility of long term side effects, there are gonna be people reluctant to get a covid vaccine because of these fears, not only because of the expedited approval process but because covid vaccines are brand new with not much of a track record. We're not talking about vaccines with the history of, say, a polio vaccine.
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Fman99 Jun 18 2021 07:10 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Lefty Specialist Jun 18 2021 08:32 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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bmfc1 Jun 18 2021 08:35 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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kcmets Jun 18 2021 08:35 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 18 2021 09:14 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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kcmets Jun 18 2021 09:42 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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My city has a large non-citizen Ecuadorian population. I've read on fb community pages that many are reluctant to get shot for fear of the gubment. The fears are generally unfounded because we are a sanctuary city but I get it. I also don't know what's required ID-wise at say a CVS versus a health-care provider when getting a shot. I had to give a social security number and photo ID. Kinda hard to do when you have neither so not sure how that all works here.
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nymr83 Jun 18 2021 10:01 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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I'm all for booing Darnold. I wonder if states could start fucking with opposing sports teams by requiring vaccination. For example if New Jersey said "nobody can be in a sports stadium with more than 1,000 people unless they are vaccinated. period. no exceptions for players" - the league may not be able to make this rule but why couldnt the state?
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nymr83 Jun 18 2021 10:02 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Trump had nothing to do with the Tuskegee experiments, the distrust of government amongst blacks in particular on the issue of vaccination/medical treatment is not Trump related, but i'm sure it makes you feel good to blame him for everything.
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kcmets Jun 18 2021 10:17 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 18 2021 10:17 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 18 2021 10:19 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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kcmets Jun 18 2021 10:26 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 18 2021 10:38 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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G-Fafif Jun 18 2021 10:48 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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This just in.
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Lefty Specialist Jun 18 2021 11:25 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2021 11:30 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Edgy MD Jun 18 2021 11:42 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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I don't know how the Tuskegee experiments come into this, but that's hardly the last time black Americans were betrayed by the state. I really don't even know when this became about African Americans. Neither of the posts you quote refers to that population. I wish this wouldn't be personal. I think most or all of us want to do what's right here.
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Ceetar Jun 18 2021 11:54 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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why? what science is there to suggest there's any reason to think something about any of these vaccines has that capability? It again comes down to education, and evil people manipulating their cult members for political gain. Tucker Carlson is a white supremacist, but he's apparently convincing a whole lot of people to be unsafe. The minority community distrust is obviously fair. We've done irreparable harm over the years, especially the last 4. This is a systemic problem, and it's not unrelated to the Carlson thing. Those are probably some of the groups these various incentive programs are helpful for (and should've been started way earlier, with better education/targeting). "Look, I know you don't trust the docs, but just come to this CVS for a quick shot and we'll give you a joint and a bottle of vodka" goes a long way. Also that doesn't really apply to sports/baseball. Almost universally, even the immigrants, those people are just taking random nonsense from the trainer with much less information/study than the vaccine.
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Edgy MD Jun 18 2021 12:06 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Ceetar Jun 18 2021 12:41 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Edgy MD Jun 18 2021 01:08 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Lefty Specialist Jun 18 2021 01:12 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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You also have to believe the corollary, that nobody has actually died of Covid. Which of course his viewers would. I'd like to think of this as the Darwin Principle in action. And I can guarantee you ol' Tucker cut the line to get himself vaccinated.
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Frayed Knot Jun 18 2021 02:29 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 18 2021 03:02 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Trump had nothing to do with the Tuskegee experiments but are you defending Trump's covid response, which was the absolute worst in the advanced world? Or did you forget about let's see if we can all ingest some bleach, the mask shaming, the fuck NY and its covid problem because NY is a blue state, the total lack of a coordinated national covid response, Jared in charge, Jared!, etc., etc., etc. Or maybe you're defending his stance against immigrants. I don't need to go there. ________________________ Opinion: Black people are justifiably wary of a vaccine. Their trust must be earned.
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A Boy Named Seo Jun 18 2021 03:22 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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What moves the needle at this point? For wealthy young men, there's no monetary incentive like some states are doing. If dudes are still really hardline against it, I don't know what changes that if the club isn't really trying to persuade them. The booth might be working part-time for a while. At least Keith's Ring doorbell is working so he doesn't miss any UPS deliveries.
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bmfc1 Jul 15 2021 02:46 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
Tonight's BOS-MFY game has been postponed b/c of Covid issues on the MFYs, who haven't hit the 85% mark (like the Mets).
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Edgy MD Jul 15 2021 03:10 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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MFS62 Jul 15 2021 03:11 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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kcmets Jul 15 2021 03:29 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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bmfc1 Jul 15 2021 03:55 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
There was one game scheduled for tonight and it won't be played.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 15 2021 04:00 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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kcmets Jul 15 2021 04:26 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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bmfc1 Jul 15 2021 04:27 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
Maybe it's not such a secret:
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Frayed Knot Jul 15 2021 05:10 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Edgy MD Jul 15 2021 05:39 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
His implication seems to be that The All-Star Break festivities could end up being, if not a super-spreader, a spreader of some sort.
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Ceetar Jul 15 2021 05:43 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
Martino is not a doctor and is not bound by Hipaa.
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Edgy MD Jul 15 2021 05:45 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
=Ceetar post_id=71426 time=1626392591 user_id=102]neither, btw, are the Mets, MLB, or any employer. |
Ceetar Jul 15 2021 05:52 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
If a player wants to get the vaccine on their own and not tell the team, they're welcome to do that, and the team can't demand the medical record, but they CAN demand proof of vaccination so a bit of a catch 22 there.
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Gwreck Jul 15 2021 05:55 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Ceetar Jul 15 2021 06:04 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Edgy MD Jul 15 2021 06:33 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Ceetar Jul 15 2021 06:47 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Edgy MD Jul 15 2021 07:00 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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"So is..." nothing. This is two wrongs make a right logic. Please don't use that.
No, that's not why I used that descriptor. You certainly know that.
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Ceetar Jul 15 2021 07:10 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Edgy MD Jul 15 2021 07:49 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 15 2021 08:05 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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MFS62 Jul 15 2021 08:33 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Ceetar Jul 16 2021 07:24 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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sue them
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 16 2021 01:00 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Frayed Knot Jul 16 2021 02:56 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 16 2021 03:03 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 16 2021 03:06 PM |
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Assuming for the sake of this post that the media does not have the right to publicize a person's medical records without that person's consent, ESPN could be liable for reporting private and confidential medical information that another news outlet already reported. One could even make the legal argument that ESPN should bear even greater liability if its circulation is far greater than that of the original broadcaster.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 16 2021 03:05 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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What would be the logic for it suddenly being open season for all media outlets to publish confidential information just because one outlet erred?
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 16 2021 03:07 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
Well, I guess that instead of reporting that a particular player has COVID, ESPN can report that The Daily Siftings Herald in Arkadelphia, Arkansas is reporting that the player has COVID.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 16 2021 03:11 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Well, my post was just a hypo. It appears that the media isn't bound by HIPAA rules. (nods to Ceets) Which makes sense, intuitively. It sounds fair for the press to report that so and so has Covid. My post really applies to something like libel, or some factually incorrect statement that is legally harmful to somebody.
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Edgy MD Jul 16 2021 03:24 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Frayed Knot Jul 16 2021 04:57 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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Willets Point Jul 16 2021 06:01 PM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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bmfc1 Jul 21 2021 09:37 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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bmfc1 Oct 08 2021 06:28 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
From The Athletic, today: [BLOCKQUOTE]MLB this season tried to incentivize teams to get vaccinated by introducing relaxed restrictions for clubs whose “Tier 1†personnel, which includes players and coaches, were at least 85 percent vaccinated. Twenty-four of 30 teams reached that mark during the season (although after June, only one new team, the Phillies, joined the ranks). The six teams that remained below the 85 percent threshold were the Cubs, Diamondbacks, Mariners, Mets, Royals and Red Sox. Overall, 87 percent of Tier 1 staff in the sport were vaccinated by season's end, per MLB's count. Selfish assholes. Yeah, I'm talking about my team.
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Edgy MD Oct 08 2021 07:50 AM Re: Embarrassing Competitive Disadvantage |
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