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We Need a Starting Pitcher

Gwreck Jun 22 2021 03:13 PM

deGrom, Stroman, and Walker can only pitch 60% of the games. Peterson is very inconsistent. Lucchesi out for the year. Carrasco, Syndergaard, Yamomoto: can you count on getting a total of 25 starts combined from them in 2021? 20? 10? What's your plan? More Jerad Eickhoff? Move Lugo to the rotation? Trade for someone? Zack Scott seeks your suggestions NOW.

Edgy MD Jun 22 2021 03:29 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Eickhoff certainly didn't answer my dreams, but he's earned another start. Peterson has pitched his way back into good graces for the time being as well. Thoses graces, of course, are more temporary than most. Names you should consider throwing love at include Misters Reid-Foley, Y. Diaz, Kilome, and Szapucki. You know how it is with trades. You'd like to shop now and get as much time out of a guy, but more guys become available, perhaps at more reasonable rates, as the trade deadline nears. I think the Nats could be huge sellers this year — Scherzer, Hand, Schwarber, maybe even Strasburg though he's got five years left. Curious that they all sound Germanic. It would have helped if the Mets made a stronger statement over the Nats last week. Everybody wants more pitching. Let's hit.

Lefty Specialist Jun 22 2021 03:31 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Megill, Oswalt, Szapucki are possibilities from the minors, and they're not very good options. For now, I'd expect Eickhoff to move into Lucchesi's spot and they'll have a bullpen game tomorrow. Longer term I'd expect they'll pick up a marginal arm, trying not to give away anybody really good from the minor league system. I'd say 10 is probably the high end of starts from Thor/Carrasco/Yamamoto. Thor's been shut down, Carrasco is in witness protection, and Yamayada is a couple of months away. So they're going to need a body in that #5 spot (and Eickhoff isn't it).

batmagadanleadoff Jun 22 2021 03:32 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Don't count on the Nats trading Scherzer to a division rival. Also, everybody could use another pitcher, so expect a seller's market.

Edgy MD Jun 22 2021 03:36 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

If the Nats are moving a guy for the last two months of his contract, I don't think they would care much about a division rival being the recipient if that's where the best deal is. Folks make selloff trades to division rivals all the time. I'm not advocating, though. As for your second point, certainly.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 22 2021 03:42 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Edgy MD wrote: If the Nats are moving a guy for the last two months of his contract, I don't think they would care much about a division rival being the recipient if that's where the best deal is. Folks make selloff trades to division rivals all the time. I'm not advocating, though. I wouldn't rule it out either, but the Mets are gonna have to pay a premium for Scherzer. Money, they have coming out the wazoo ... but Scherzer's not a FA. The Mets are gonna have to pay with personnel. Doesn't look likely.

Edgy MD Jun 22 2021 03:45 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

I'm not advocating or saying it's likely. I was only stating that the Nats have some of the biggest prizes that people will be going for.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 22 2021 03:47 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not advocating or saying it's likely. I was only stating that the Nats have some of the biggest prizes that people will be going for. On a Mets forum in a Mets thread.

Edgy MD Jun 22 2021 03:55 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Yes, I know where I'm posting.

Edgy MD Jun 22 2021 04:17 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

I'm sorry. Please allow me to put that differently. I agree that the Mets trading for Max von Scherzer is unlikely.

Edgy MD Jun 22 2021 07:57 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Big Sexy going 4-1 / 3.82 for Acereros de Monclava.

nymr83 Jun 22 2021 10:30 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Edgy MD wrote: Big Sexy going 4-1 / 3.82 for Acereros de Monclava. at 48 years old, he lead the Mexican league in batters faced this season (2nd in innings pitched). Amazing.

A Boy Named Seo Jun 22 2021 10:47 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

I would like to buy Jose Berrios from the last place Twins, please.

LWFS Jun 23 2021 12:07 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I would like to buy Jose Berrios from the last place Twins, please. I was going to say... this was floated somewhere last week, and seemed like a deal worth poking around even then. It's all the more intriguing now. The thing is... he'll be expensive. He'll be under team control (at arb rates) for another season beyond this (unlike Max), and the Twins will have a lot of interested parties. So getting it done would likely involve at least one of the top 3 (Mauricio, Alvarez, or Baty) in our system... and possibly other sweeteners (Szapucki? Ginn?). Is he really worth it? He's reliably good (ERA+ between 107 and 122 every season since his rookie year). But, even in this most pitcher-friendly year... he's not overwhelming. And that's what he'd have to be to be worth it, no?

Fman99 Jun 23 2021 07:08 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

I want Big Barty back. Drag his sexy meat across the Rio Grande and slap some blue and orange on him.

Ceetar Jun 23 2021 07:57 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

they need live bodies but Colon would get absolutely LIT in the majors right now.

seawolf17 Jun 23 2021 09:35 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

I would love very much for Bartolo to come back, but there's no way he can regularly get MLB hitters out right now. His last good season was 2016, which is a LONG time ago.

kcmets Jun 23 2021 09:45 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

One would imagine five years later that Bartolo is even bigger and sexier than ever but certainly not MLB material playing wise. Surprised he's not coaching somewhere in the organization. He should be, if he wanted to...

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2021 10:40 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Bartolo's last MLB season, 2018 (TEX): 28 games/24 starts; 5.78 ERA; 1.35 WHIP; 10.6 H/9 ; 2.0 HR/9 (every season of his career had been under 1.5) ... and that was three seasons ago when he was only 45 y/o. His one saving grace is that he still wasn't walking dudes (1.5 BB/9) otherwise that WHIP gets real ugly.

MFS62 Jun 23 2021 11:01 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Bartolo still might be an improvement over the current hitters. Later

A Boy Named Seo Jun 23 2021 02:31 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I would like to buy Jose Berrios from the last place Twins, please. I was going to say... this was floated somewhere last week, and seemed like a deal worth poking around even then. It's all the more intriguing now. The thing is... he'll be expensive. He'll be under team control (at arb rates) for another season beyond this (unlike Max), and the Twins will have a lot of interested parties. So getting it done would likely involve at least one of the top 3 (Mauricio, Alvarez, or Baty) in our system... and possibly other sweeteners (Szapucki? Ginn?). Is he really worth it? He's reliably good (ERA+ between 107 and 122 every season since his rookie year). But, even in this most pitcher-friendly year... he's not overwhelming. And that's what he'd have to be to be worth it, no? I don't know if he'd be worth that cost necessarily. But young, conrollable, comfortably above league average pitchers (with potential to reach a much higher ceiling) sound fuggin great to me, especially if we're not needing this dude to be an ace, just fortify that depth. A good, modern MLB staff has to have no less than 7 (8?) reliable major league caliber starters. We did much better planning for contingencies this year and still got effed hard. I'd at least consider all the options required to nab Berrios.

seawolf17 Jun 23 2021 02:34 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

And Berrios is theoretically more "gettable" than Scherzer. I mean, you'd still have to give up Mauricio in any deal, I'd figure, and if you're going to do that, you might as well get a guy who's 27, more cost-controlled, and still above league-average over his career. He's a solid #4 behind our big three.

ashie62 Jun 23 2021 04:10 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Nats also have Patrick Corbin who has been serviceable.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2021 04:24 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

The Nats are also 3.5 games out of 1st place and therefore unlikely to be conducting any fire sales in the near future unless and until conditions change drastically.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2021 06:04 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Well, they were 5.5 out when I invoked this then. But conditions don't have to change drastically. They just have to change. I think they're gonna crash. They won't want to be caught holding their assets.

Centerfield Jun 23 2021 06:18 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Update: We may have found a starting pitcher.

roger_that Jun 25 2021 10:49 AM Need a SP now?

Another county heard from: [url]https://blogs.fangraphs.com/are-the-mets-running-out-of-rope/ No need to read: basically, it's "The Mets need to get a quality starting pitcher. Right now. Need it bad." OK, smartass. Which starting pitcher? And what do you give up for him?

Benjamin Grimm Jun 25 2021 10:55 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

It's that second question that's the hardest. Teams are probably going to want someone like Mauricio or Baty or Crow-Armstrong or Alvarez. The Mets have too few of these chips and need to use them wisely, if at all. They can hope for more from Megill, and that Thomas Szapucki is a lot better than Tyler Pill. I think I would look to Lugo, if they think his arm is up to it.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 25 2021 11:11 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

I dont think the Mets are gonna hafta give up a top prospect to get someone like Lucchesi, a reliable back of the rotation guy. My hunch is that that's the kind of pitcher the Mets will seek if they go shopping All TBD . This stuff could turn on a dime.

Gwreck Jun 25 2021 11:15 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

In terms of major league talent, we could still try to trade Dom Smith. Yes, he's been bad so far this year but clearly there's potential. In terms of prospects: the use of a top prospect chip to get a key starting pitcher is not a bad idea. If Berrios is going to be made available, let's chat with Minnesota. (Obviously Uncle Steve can handle the free agent market and re-sign both Stroman and Syndergaard in the off-season.)

G-Fafif Jun 25 2021 11:21 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

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batmagadanleadoff Jun 25 2021 11:22 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Cohen could get creative $$ wise and offer Cano while eating a big chunk of his remaining salary. What kind of interest would Cano generate, if he's practically given away? Cano's a sunk cost who's PT is now very expendable going forward with Lindor now a Met.

TransMonk Jun 25 2021 11:28 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

https://a1cf74336522e87f135f-2f21ace9a6cf0052456644b80fa06d4f.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/images/characters_opt/p-true-romance-christian-slater.jpg> Whenever Vance Worley's name comes up, this is who I think of.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 25 2021 11:30 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

JD Davis is another guy I've been thinking could be traded for a starter. Of course, he'd have to prove he's healthy first.

MFS62 Jun 25 2021 11:43 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=69084 time=1624641720 user_id=68] Cano's a sunk cost who's PT is now very expendable going forward with Lindor now a Met.

What has one thing got to do with the other with regards to playing time?

Don't they play different positions? It isn't as though Cano would take time in the field from Lindor, or vice versa.



Later

kcmets Jun 25 2021 11:48 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Wow, I've totally mentally had written off Cano but the Mets are still on the hook for '22 and '23 for like forty million smackers.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 25 2021 11:54 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

=MFS62 post_id=69088 time=1624643036 user_id=60] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=69084 time=1624641720 user_id=68] Cano's a sunk cost who's PT is now very expendable going forward with Lindor now a Met.

What has one thing got to do with the other with regards to playing time?

Don't they play different positions? It isn't as though Cano would take time in the field from Lindor, or vice versa.






With Lindor now a Met, every other non-1B infielder moves down one notch on the depth chart. And the Mets have non-1Bmen who could play all over the infield. Lindor made Cano even more expendable.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 25 2021 11:57 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=69091 time=1624643659 user_id=68] =MFS62 post_id=69088 time=1624643036 user_id=60] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=69084 time=1624641720 user_id=68] Cano's a sunk cost who's PT is now very expendable going forward with Lindor now a Met.

What has one thing got to do with the other with regards to playing time?

Don't they play different positions? It isn't as though Cano would take time in the field from Lindor, or vice versa.






With Lindor now a Met, every other non-1B infielder moves down one notch on the depth chart. And the Mets have non-1Bmen who could play all over the infield. Lindor made Cano even more expendable.

Anyways, this Cano angle is probably unlikely: the kind of team that might be interested in Cano wouldn't be tearing down in the middle of this season.

Lefty Specialist Jun 25 2021 12:00 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Vance Worley? Thought he'd retired years ago. Megill was kinda okay, just as Eickhoff was. But I'm not convinced either one is a long- or even short-term answer. They'll be run out there a few more times so we shall see. And Cano should be dumped for whatever we can get. A toaster. A bag of balls. A Ty Wigginton used jockstrap. Anything.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 25 2021 12:07 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Buy him out. Pay him $1 million every July 1 for the next 300 years.

Edgy MD Jun 25 2021 12:34 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Megill has been performing well all year. He's really been getting it done since the day he was drafted. They'd be foolish not to give him more opportunities.

Fman99 Jun 25 2021 12:47 PM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Edgy MD wrote: Megill has been performing well all year. He's really been getting it done since the day he was drafted. They'd be foolish not to give him more opportunities. He's earned at least one more turn with his initial outing, you'd have to think, also considering the dearth of options. Vance Whirly notwithstanding.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 06 2021 11:38 AM Re: We Need a Starting Pitcher

Zack Scott spoke yesterday and it sounds like they are targeting pitching, are not looking to move any of the top tier prospects and acknowledge that the return would likely be for a starter who is not a top-tier kinda dude. I keep thinking Jon Gray is the best of those. Sinker ball pitcher who learned to succeed in Coors, I think he could flourish with the Mets D behind him. But I wonder if they could steal Mitch Keller from the Pirates, too. One-time top prospect who's lost of a fair bit of sheen and is trying to get right in AAA. Could be a nice future piece who could maybe even help now, and definitely a buy-low target. And the Pirates love to make shitty trades.