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IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

kcmets Aug 05 2021 09:11 AM

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/NYM.png> Villar 2B Alonso 1B Smith LF Davis 3B Baez SS Conforto RF McCann C Almora CF Hill P (6-4, 4.10) http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MIA.png> *tardy* Garrett (1-1, 4.37)

kcmets Aug 05 2021 09:20 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/NYM.png> Villar 2B Alonso 1B Smith LF Davis 3B Baez SS Conforto RF McCann C Almora CF Hill P (6-4, 4.10) http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/MIA.png> Rojas SS Chisholm 2B Alfaro C Brinson LF Anderson 3B Panik 1B De La Cruz RF Sierra CF Garrett (1-1, 4.37)

ashie62 Aug 05 2021 10:25 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

What is this fascination with striking out.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 10:25 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

If you want the upside of J Baez you're going to have to take the bad with it. That strike three pitch wasn't EVER in, or even near, the zone.

kcmets Aug 05 2021 10:26 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Mets keep to script and load 'em up only to not plate a run.

ashie62 Aug 05 2021 10:30 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Bases loaded, none out and they are vanquished by Braxton Garrett,

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 10:32 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

The only way they were going to score after bases loaded, none out was a walk, HBP, WP or PB.

ashie62 Aug 05 2021 10:35 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Frayed Knot wrote: If you want the upside of J Baez you're going to have to take the bad with it. That strike three pitch wasn't EVER in, or even near, the zone. Baez is a bit of a moron.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 10:39 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Frayed Knot wrote: If you want the upside of J Baez you're going to have to take the bad with it. That strike three pitch wasn't EVER in, or even near, the zone. Baez is a bit of a moron. I suggest reading this comment from "Brian P." in The Athletic about Javy Baez (Josh Lewin read it on today's "Mets In The Morning" podcast): [BLOCKQUOTE]Been in love with the Cubs since 84, and Javy is easily my favorite Cub player. That said, I love the trade for PCA and am hoping it works out for the Mets, Cubs and Javy. To me, the true magic of Javy is he did things none of us have seen before. Tagging someone at second was static for 100 years and now kids (and other players) try to emulate a Javy tag. His base running/swim slides are things we never saw before, at least at the volume he could accomplish them. Even his pointing/checking with the first base ump on a check swing, as illogical as it is, is something no other player has done. This game is supposed to be fun and entertaining, and Javy is like a Fast and The Furious movie marathon. Will he drive you nuts, of course, but at least once a week you shake your head (mostly in disbelief, sometimes in disgust) and for that, I love watching him.[/BLOCKQUOTE]

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 11:32 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Four hits, only two of which have left the infield. And two of the four came in front of the pitcher (not that the non-pitchers have done better w/runners aboard).

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 11:32 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Frayed Knot wrote: Four hits, only two of which have left the infield. And two of the four came in front of the pitcher (not that the non-pitchers have done better w/runners aboard). and this is against an emergency starter.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 05 2021 11:55 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

16 LOBs in the last 8 innings

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 11:55 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Also, once again, the only hit w/a RiSP didn't actually score a run. And did anyone NOT know how that last Baez AB would eventually end?

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 12:07 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

I'd say we're stuck with a bunch of warning track power guys except that their best shots aren't really reaching the warning track.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 12:12 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

I'm sure that McCann is a nice guy, his wife seems nice, his twin sons are cute, and he can't be this bad forever but the thought of seeing him through 2024 is not appealing. "2021 Contract Status: Signed thru 2024, 4 yrs/$40.6M (21-24)" I'd like to know if the decision to jump on his FA status and not wait for Realmuto was a Sandy move or something that Steve cooked up to attack the market.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 12:13 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Marlins now have only 16 replay challenges remaining.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 12:14 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

New rule: if you waste our time with a no-chance challenge a fan of the opposing team can go into the opposing dugout (with a mask) and say "f**k you" to the manager.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 12:16 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Is anybody on this team not taking batting advice from Joey Votto?

kcmets Aug 05 2021 12:18 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Rojas was hallucinating an arm tag? It wasn't even close...

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 12:21 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Our long [CROSSOUT]national[/CROSSOUT] local nightmare is over.

Centerfield Aug 05 2021 12:21 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

I don't know what yous guys are talking about, but GameCast tells me the game is tied and that makes me happy.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 12:22 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Be nice if Pete could dump truck this Hess guy.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 12:24 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Hess is a mess!

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 12:26 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

=kcmets post_id=73533 time=1628187506 user_id=53] Rojas was hallucinating an arm tag? It wasn't even close...

He seemed to be slapping his forearm, as if to say he got the runner with his forearm as he passed, which would be a curious argument to be making because (a) tagging a guy with your forearm doesn't count, and (b) that contact, if it occurred at all, happened before the ball arrived anyway.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 12:27 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

New rule: if you waste our time with a no-chance challenge a fan of the opposing team can go into the opposing dugout (with a mask) and say "f**k you" to the manager. We need all kinds of rules like this. My new one is that if a Mgr or PC delays the game so he can talk to his pitcher mid-inning and the next batter gets a hit then that team loses all mound visit privileges for like a week or more.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 12:29 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

For someone who likes to swing a lot, Dom was awfully passive during that AB.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 12:31 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Frayed Knot wrote: New rule: if you waste our time with a no-chance challenge a fan of the opposing team can go into the opposing dugout (with a mask) and say "f**k you" to the manager. We need all kinds of rules like this. My new one is that if a Mgr or PC delays the game so he can talk to his pitcher mid-inning and the next batter gets a hit then that team loses all mound visit privileges for like a week or more. I like it! The "you gave bad advice" rule.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 12:41 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

JDD gets to be the designated strandee this inning.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 12:50 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

"I'm making millions every year but I will still pull an outside fastball so it's an easy out... but you can see pictures of me and my twins in the pool at the team hotel!"

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 12:54 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

=bmfc1 post_id=73540 time=1628188193 user_id=73] For someone who likes to swing a lot, Dom was awfully passive during that AB.

Joey Votto thought he handled it great.

Fman99 Aug 05 2021 01:05 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Listening on XM but no Howie today. So Wayne + friend, not quite as great. Plus, you know, all the LOBs.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 01:11 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Could Villar hit a ball any further?

kcmets Aug 05 2021 01:12 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Why do I feel like this is gonna end in a magical-runner showdown?

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 01:19 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Angel Hernandez had a better game behind the plate yesterday than this guy is today.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 01:21 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

=kcmets post_id=73551 time=1628190756 user_id=53] Why do I feel like this is gonna end in a magical-runner showdown?

At this point that's our best case scenario.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 01:22 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Familia says "no".

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 01:23 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

"I'm making millions every year but I will still pull an outside fastball so it's an easy out... but you can see pictures of me and my twins in the pool at the team hotel!" "I have a contract until 2024 but I can't be bothered to block the plate or make a simple tag... but follow me on Twitter for more pictures of my family in Mets shirts!" I can't do this again. He sucks. Familia sucks.

kcmets Aug 05 2021 01:25 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Familia says "no". And then some!

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 01:26 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Marlins have more hits w/RiSP This Inning than the Mets do this series.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 01:28 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

I love the people worrying about the Mets games against LAD and SD when they can't beat MIA and PIT.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 01:33 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Rojas pulled a Jerry Manuel and went to his hot hand one time too many.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 01:35 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Leadoff runner gets on ... which means our run percentage just went Down

Centerfield Aug 05 2021 01:37 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Edgy MD wrote: Rojas pulled a Jerry Manuel and went to his hot hand one time too many. Many factors play in here. Starting pitchers that don't go deep leave a manager handcuffed. And an offense that gives pitchers absolutely no margin for error.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 05 2021 01:39 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

OK Baez, earn it

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 01:40 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Tying run comes to the plate ... win pct continues to tumble.

kcmets Aug 05 2021 01:41 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

5 K's in a game is hard to do!!

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 05 2021 01:43 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Drury to PH for McCann with sacks loaded

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 01:45 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

The Mets are alive, but there's no matchup I like less than James McCann vs. a righthanded slider pitcher. And ... Rojas agrees and sends Drury up.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 01:48 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

This is the most ridiculous "rally" in the history of mankind

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2021 01:50 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Frayed Knot wrote: This is the most ridiculous "rally" in the history of mankind And yet we all knew how it was destined to end.

kcmets Aug 05 2021 01:51 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Maybe they should avoid loading the bases, it's clearly not working out.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 01:52 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: This is the most ridiculous "rally" in the history of mankind And yet we all knew how it was destined to end. Chisholm tried to throw it away.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 05 2021 01:55 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

god we fucking suck

Benjamin Grimm Aug 05 2021 02:03 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

At least it's not late September. That would make this 2007-level painful.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 02:08 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Listening on XM but no Howie today. So Wayne + friend, not quite as great. Plus, you know, all the LOBs. The "friend" is Ed Coleman who is so bad at his job that I'm surprised he doesn't work for YES.

Lefty Specialist Aug 05 2021 02:10 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Marlins load the bases in the first with no out, grand slam. Mets load the bases in the first with no out, K, K, F7. That's pretty much the difference between winning and losing 3 of 4. They'll be in 3rd place by the middle of next week, because they're playing like losers.

kcmets Aug 05 2021 02:21 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Mets had the bases loaded at least 3 times, 15 LOB today...

Centerfield Aug 05 2021 02:27 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Their approach at the plate is terrible. The results reflect this. I don't know if the Mets have analytics to back up this approach, but it doesn't seem to be working.

Lefty Specialist Aug 05 2021 02:51 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Other teams got valuable bullpen arms at the deadline without giving up too much. This bothers me. And I think this entire team is too tense at the plate, trying to be the guy who hits the 500 foot homer when you just need a well-struck single.

MFS62 Aug 05 2021 02:56 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

LGM has been replaced by LOB. Later

Benjamin Grimm Aug 05 2021 03:03 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

=Centerfield post_id=73579 time=1628195258 user_id=65] Their approach at the plate is terrible. The results reflect this. I don't know if the Mets have analytics to back up this approach, but it doesn't seem to be working.

Yeah, if we're supposed to be impressed by Hugh Quibblebibble, it doesn't seem to be happening.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 03:09 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Lefty Specialist wrote: Other teams got valuable bullpen arms at the deadline without giving up too much. This bothers me. Same here. I understand that the Mets didn't have the prospect depth to make more than one high-level deal but Daniel Hudson only cost SD this and the Mets couldn't or didn't want to match: [BLOCKQUOTE]San Diego parts with Thompson, a 2016 third-round draftee. The righty has made his first four big league appearances this season but spent the bulk of the year with Triple-A El Paso. A pure reliever, Thompson has tossed 26 2/3 innings over 23 appearances, working to a 5.74 ERA with slightly lower than average strikeout and walk rates (21.8% and 7.3%, respectively) in that hitter-friendly environment. He's already on the 40-man roster and has a pair of minor league option years remaining beyond the current season. Barley has been in the Padres organization since signing as a member of San Diego's massive 2016-17 international class. At one point, the speedster was a fairly well-regarded prospect, but he's struggled to hit in the low minors. Barley has posted higher than average strikeout rates throughout his professional career, and that's continued this season. The 21-year-old is hitting .240/.333/.388 with a 29.4% strikeout percentage in Low-A. Entering the season, Eric Longenhagen of FanGraphs slotted Barley as the #28 talent in the Padres system.[/BLOCKQUOTE] https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/padres-nationals-in-serious-discussions-on-potential-daniel-hudson-trade.html (emphasis added)

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 03:33 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

I have no problem with the bullpen. Asking any pitching staff to be perfect enough to support a team scoring one run through eight is always going to drive you crazy. The asylums are filled with former GMs who have gone down that path. Avoid double plays, get runners in from third with less than two outs, and Heaven will smile on you. Try to build a pitching staff that's good enough to support a team that hits into double plays and doesn't get runners in from third with less than two outs, and you will weep, alone, on the curb outside a bar that has shut down your tab. In the rain. So much rain.

ashie62 Aug 05 2021 03:38 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Zack "Mr Cohen is on the phone."

Fman99 Aug 05 2021 05:44 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

I gave up on this one after Familia barfed on the mound. That was it for me.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 07:02 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Edgy MD wrote: I have no problem with the bullpen. Other than the front office, the manager, the hitting, the defense, the starting pitching, sure, no problem... except Lugo turned one-run deficits into multiple-run deficits twice this week. Familia gave up a run today. Within the last two weeks, Banda (RIPittsburg) and Hartlieb (somewhere) had to pitch the 8th inning and turned a close game into a rout. BP help was definitely needed and still is, unless you really, really trust Familia (I don't), think that this is just a blip for Lugo (let's hope but remember that he was injured and maybe he's hiding something), and think that Drew Smith and Y. Diaz are now shut-down middle-innings guys. I'd have pursued Hudson or Soria, especially b/c the BP is needed for 3 or 4 innings every damn game.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 07:11 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

There is no relief pitcher in the world who is going to turn a deficit into a lead. Apart from maybe a slugger like Rick Camp, anyhow.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 07:15 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

The hitting is also a problem, obviously a bigger problem--the biggest. They tried to address that w/Baez b/what I'm saying is that you can make multiple moves to help the team and they made one.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2021 07:31 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Well, I'm certainly not suggesting one can not make more one move to help one's team. In fact, they did make more than one.

bmfc1 Aug 05 2021 07:35 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Hill? That was OK as a half-measure. I still think that didn't do enough. We'll see.

Centerfield Aug 05 2021 08:07 PM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

Trading for bats would have helped. Asking the ones we have to hit to all fields might have helped more.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 06 2021 06:38 AM Re: IGT 08/05 - Metropolitans at Marlins - Clear Skies Matinee

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