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Edgy MD Jul 18 2021 03:36 PM

I've mentioned this before, but I'd like to see games decided after an ejection credited to who was in charge at the time the team went ahead for good. And thus, today's win would be credited to Dave Jauss in the great managerial scoresheet. That follows the standard of pitcher wins, and the standard of pitcher wins is more than a little bupkis, but at least getting up to that standard would be something. The best argument for a guy to be managing is managerial experience, but if you've been a bench coach for a while, doing most of what a manager does, but coming away with no explicit experience, that makes you a tougher sell on a job interview. But if you have 4-1 record or something when taking over after your boss gets ejected, hey, that's a sweet little cherry for a résumé.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2021 03:45 PM Re: Manager of Record

I'd bet that Rojas still called the shots (and every other ejected manager) .

Edgy MD Jul 18 2021 03:59 PM Re: Manager of Record

To a large extent, that is likely.

kcmets Jul 18 2021 05:46 PM Re: Manager of Record

Edgy MD wrote: The best argument for a guy to be managing is managerial experience, but if you've been a bench coach for a while, doing most of what a manager does, but coming away with no explicit experience, that makes you a tougher sell on a job interview. But if you have 4-1 record or something when taking over after your boss gets ejected, hey, that's a sweet little cherry for a résumé. I dunno. "I see you put down four wins as fill-in as bench coach managing the remainder of a game. What did you do in those four games that stands out resume-wise?" "Yeah, I, uh... we won four of five."

dinosaur jesus Jul 18 2021 07:07 PM Re: Manager of Record

Who gets the win if the manager sneaks back into the dugout with a mustache?

Frayed Knot Jul 18 2021 07:25 PM Re: Manager of Record

They should award the win to the manager that day ... but they never do. When GS Warriors coach Steve Kerr missed at least a half season a few years back, his replacement, Luke Walton, racked up a great record for several months and every one of those wins got credited to Kerr.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2021 07:35 PM Re: Manager of Record

There you go! Let's retroactively do that! Just like in Star Wars, we should do it for Luke! Edgy MD wrote: The best argument for a guy to be managing is managerial experience, but if you've been a bench coach for a while, doing most of what a manager does, but coming away with no explicit experience, that makes you a tougher sell on a job interview. But if you have 4-1 record or something when taking over after your boss gets ejected, hey, that's a sweet little cherry for a résumé. I dunno. "I see you put down four wins as fill-in as bench coach managing the remainder of a game. What did you do in those four games that stands out resume-wise?" "Yeah, I, uh... we won four of five." Hey, he's the one who sent up Travis Blankenhorn. If he's too stupid to remember doing that and why he did it, shame on him. He doesn't deserve to get hired. I figure, if it's a fiction that managers are actually removed from the game, and we're supposed to pretend that there's nobody behind the curtain, I say bullshit, play that fiction out. It's only when it becomes unsustainable that it'll fall. I think, in most Euro fooball leagues, a manager/head coach gets tossed from the game, he or she ends up sitting in the stands. Rube Walker went 2-2 down the stretch for the Mets in 1968 as Gil Hodges recovered from his first heart attack. I'd love to see that on his record. But even better is Don Zimmer. Zim officially won 885 games as an MLB manager. But those 21 games the Yankees won with him holding the lineup card would have put him over 900 wins. Maybe that's the difference-maker the next time he's considered for the Hall of Fame (which assumes there will be a next time, which itself assumes there ever was a first time, but work with me). Zim not only would get his win total boosted over 900, but he'd pass Cito Gaston on the All-Time List. Maybe this isn't about Zim at all. Maybe the next time somebody says, "You know, Cito Gaston won two World Series titles, and anybody with two trophies should get consideration for the Hall of Fame," somebody else comes back and says, "Good for him, but overall, he won fewer games games than Don Zimmer." And maybe the first guy says, "Yeah, let's not get crazy." Always working for more clarity in the record, and shaving away ambiguity, reveals new truths.

kcmets Jul 18 2021 07:45 PM Re: Manager of Record

Edgy MD wrote: There you go! Let's retroactively do that! Just like in Star Wars, we should do it for Luke! Edgy MD wrote: The best argument for a guy to be managing is managerial experience, but if you've been a bench coach for a while, doing most of what a manager does, but coming away with no explicit experience, that makes you a tougher sell on a job interview. But if you have 4-1 record or something when taking over after your boss gets ejected, hey, that's a sweet little cherry for a résumé. I dunno. "I see you put down four wins as fill-in as bench coach managing the remainder of a game. What did you do in those four games that stands out resume-wise?" "Yeah, I, uh... we won four of five." Hey, he's the one who sent up Travis Blankenhorn. If he's too stupid to remember doing that and why he did it, shame on him. He doesn't deserve to get hired. I figure, if it's a fiction that managers are actually removed from the game, and we're supposed to pretend that there's nobody behind the curtain, I say bullshit, play that fiction out. It's only when it becomes unsustainable that it'll fall. I think, in most Euro fooball leagues, a manager/head coach gets tossed from the game, he or she ends up sitting in the stands. Rube Walker went 2-2 down the stretch for the Mets in 1968 as Gil Hodges recovered from his first heart attack. I'd love to see that on his record. But even better is Don Zimmer. Zim officially won 885 games as an MLB manager. But those 21 games the Yankees won with him holding the lineup card would have put him over 900 wins. Maybe that's the difference-maker the next time he's considered for the Hall of Fame (which assumes there will be a next time, which itself assumes there ever was a first time, but work with me). Zim not only would get his win total boosted over 900, but he'd pass Cito Gaston on the All-Time List. Maybe this isn't about Zim at all. Maybe the next time somebody says, "You know, Cito Gaston won two World Series titles, and anybody with two trophies should get consideration for the Hall of Fame," somebody else comes back and says, "Good for him, but overall, he won fewer games games than Don Zimmer." And maybe the first guy says, "Yeah, let's not get crazy." Always working for more clarity in the record, and shaving away ambiguity, reveals new truths. Uh, a) Sorry. b) Sorry? c) Sorry! (choose one of the above)