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Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

ashie62 Jul 30 2021 12:46 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

Javy Baez.

ashie62 Jul 30 2021 12:53 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

[BIGPURPLE]BAEZ[/BIGPURPLE] Pending physical

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 12:54 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

[tweet]https://twitter.com/feinsand/status/1421181383892942850[/tweet]

nymr83 Jul 30 2021 12:55 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

Sources? who is Mark?

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 12:56 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

=nymr83 post_id=72918 time=1627671332 user_id=54] Sources? who is Mark?

MLB.com national reporter. Very legit.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 12:58 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1421182523103657987[/tweet]

kcmets Jul 30 2021 12:58 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

Trevor Williams too!?!

nymr83 Jul 30 2021 01:00 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

Trevor Williams is a batting practice machine

seawolf17 Jul 30 2021 01:01 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

Trevor Williams appears to be mostly a terrible pitcher, so I'm not sure what the point of including him would be.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2021 01:05 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

=seawolf17 post_id=72925 time=1627671709 user_id=91] Trevor Williams appears to be mostly a terrible pitcher, so I'm not sure what the point of including him would be.

Does he have options? Maybe he'll go to Syracuse and provide some rotation depth. The Mets may just be figuring that he's better than Jerad Eickoff.

Willets Point Jul 30 2021 01:06 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

2020: No all-star shortstops. 2021: TWO, TWO all-star shortstops!!!

seawolf17 Jul 30 2021 01:07 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1421184935998623747[/TWEET] Hmm.

metsmarathon Jul 30 2021 01:09 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

Woah! I think if you asked me earlier today I would've said my preference was for Bryant. But damn, it's not like I wouldn't want Baez instead. I'm a fairly happy camper about this. Wonder what's going back.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2021 01:13 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

That's too bad. Hopefully they can extend Baez. I doubt that Crow Armstrong alone gets the deal done. I suspect that another shoe will drop.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2021 01:16 PM We DEFINITELY should be talking about Javier Baez

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TransMonk Jul 30 2021 01:16 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

I have to think McNeil was part of the deal. Lindor and Baez are buddy-buddy, so maybe that factored in.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 01:17 PM

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stathead/status/1421186626491805696[/tweet]

Lefty Specialist Jul 30 2021 01:18 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 30 2021 01:22 PM

Not happy losing Crow-Armstrong for a rental, even if it is Baez. When Lindor comes back I assume he plays second and Squirrel is the odd mammal out. Trevor Williams, you know, sucks. Not the answer to the TBD question.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 01:19 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/deeshathosar/status/1421183915671314435[/tweet]

nymr83 Jul 30 2021 01:20 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

McNeil doesnt move to 3rd and displace Davis against righties? i cant imagine they gave up mcneil and Crow-Armstrong for a rental, right??

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 01:21 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

From the other day… [tweet]https://twitter.com/timothyrryder/status/1420153450470518784[/tweet]

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 01:24 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mbrownstein89/status/1421189781149700096[/tweet]

TransMonk Jul 30 2021 01:25 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

=nymr83 post_id=72940 time=1627672837 user_id=54] McNeil doesnt move to 3rd and displace Davis against righties?

Missed that option...could very well be true.

smg58 Jul 30 2021 01:25 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

Baez plays a lot of positions well, which means we will have options when Lindor comes back. I worry that he's become too one dimensional as a hitter and our park won't reward that. His career year came under Chili Davis's watch. Given the scarcity of good center fielders, I'd have given up somebody other than Armstrong. McNeil is under control for three more seasons and has four game-winning hits this past month. His career OPS+ beats Baez by 30 points. The goal is to win, right?

Ceetar Jul 30 2021 01:26 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

Williams is at least a live arm I guess? I mean, I was hoping for someone _good_ maybe there's still time.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 01:26 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hgomez27/status/1420215433198718980[/tweet]

bmfc1 Jul 30 2021 01:26 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

The only negative I can think of with PCA is that with this year's injury in 2022 he won't have played regularly for 2 years.

nymr83 Jul 30 2021 01:28 PM Re: Trade Deadline Action 2021

yeah if McNeil is involved this is a fleecing by the Cubs. i would have preferred Bryant by a long shot to Baez.

bmfc1 Jul 30 2021 01:28 PM Re: We DEFINITELY should be talking about Javier Baez

We got the guy responsible for making that Pirates 1B look like a dope.

bmfc1 Jul 30 2021 01:32 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Stroman likes Trevor Williams: [TWEET]https://twitter.com/STR0/status/1421183064072462338[/TWEET]

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 01:39 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

According to team sources, Lindor spoke highly of Baez to owner Steve Cohen. Cohen and Lindor have a strong relationship, but that is not unique at Citi Field. Lindor is highly respected in the clubhouse as well. https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-francisco-lindor-recommended-javier-baez-to-mets-owner-steve-cohen

Edgy MD Jul 30 2021 01:41 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Wait, am I really supposed to throw a party because the team is giving up a movie-star first-round draft pick for the league leader in strikeouts, with only 15 walks on the other side of the ledger?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2021 01:41 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I predict that Lindor will have a captain's "C" on his Mets uniform within a couple of years. I also think that the Mets will extend Baez before he hits free agency. And that JD Davis will be a Cub by tomorrow.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2021 01:42 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Edgy MD wrote: Wait, am I really supposed to throw a party because the team is giving up a movie-star first-round draft pick for the league leader in strikeouts, with only 15 walks on the other side of the ledger? Well, maybe you can just put out some chips and dip.

TransMonk Jul 30 2021 01:45 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I also think that the Mets will extend Baez before he hits free agency. Agreed.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 01:48 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/sis_baseball/status/1421195053381398532[/tweet]

bmfc1 Jul 30 2021 01:56 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

1B Pete 2B Baez SS Lindor 3B McNeil Wow. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/NathalieMLB/status/1421196003001212930[/TWEET]

Ceetar Jul 30 2021 02:00 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

This is better than Guillorme, but like, when Lindor is back this does NOT help the run creation portion of it. Feels like they went for splashy over quality.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2021 02:01 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Is this really a wow? Because I don't want to be the stinkaroonie, but I'm looking at this .292 on-base percentage, which followed a .238 last year, and it's not moving my heart. I certainly welcome his glove and his power, but I'm not thinking that these were what the team was lacking.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 30 2021 02:26 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Edgy MD wrote: Is this really a wow? Because I don't want to be the stinkaroonie, but I'm looking at this .292 on-base percentage, which followed a .238 last year, and it's not moving my heart. I certainly welcome his glove and his power, but I'm not thinking that these were what the team was lacking. Hs OBP's have always been fucking dreadful, not just the last two seasons, but even in his very best years. His best ever single season OBP was .326. His lifetime OBP is .303.

86dreamer Jul 30 2021 02:58 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Edgy MD wrote: Is this really a wow? Because I don't want to be the stinkaroonie, but I'm looking at this .292 on-base percentage, which followed a .238 last year, and it's not moving my heart. I certainly welcome his glove and his power, but I'm not thinking that these were what the team was lacking. I share all your fears about his OBP and if he is what we needed. If I am trading a top prospect, it would have been for a SP. But maybe there is more to this McNeil injury than they are telling us. Deal makes a lot more sense if that is the case. I see Baez as a higher quality version of Villar. If McNeil is healthy, I'd keep writing in Guillorme most days for the OBP and defense, and start platooning Dom and JD. That combo in LF should be more productive without hurting D, the infield gets both an offensive and defensive upgrade, and Villar improves the bench.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 03:10 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Official release. No latent additions from either side. METS ACQUIRE ALL-STAR INFIELDER JAVIER BÁEZ AND RHP TREVOR WILLIAMS FROM CHICAGO FLUSHING, N.Y., July 30, 2021 – The New York Mets today announced the club has acquired two-time All-Star infielder Javier Báez, RHP Trevor Williams and cash considerations from the Chicago Cubs in exchange for minor league outfielder Pete Crow-Armstrong. Báez, 28, has spent his entire eight-year major league career with the Cubs. This season with Chicago-NL, he is tied for sixth in the National League with 65 RBI and tied for seventh with 22 home runs. He has a 2.8 WAR according to Baseball-Reference. Since 2016, his first full major league season, he has accumulated 9.6 defensive WAR, tied for fourth in the majors and tied for second in the NL. Báez is a four-time winner of The Fielding Bible Award for defensive excellence. He won the award three times as a multi-position player and was honored as a shortstop last year. The 6-0, 190-pounder was named an NL All-Star in 2018 and 2019, won a Gold Glove in 2020 and was an NL Silver Slugger recipient in 2018, when he finished as the runner-up for the NL MVP Award. The Bayamon, Puerto Rico native won the 2016 World Series with Chicago-NL. That October, he was named the NLCS Co-MVP with LHP Jon Lester. Báez became the first player in major league history to start the All-Star Game at second base and shortstop in consecutive seasons. Williams, 29, has made 13 appearances (12 starts) for the Cubs this season, going 4-2 with a 5.06 ERA (33 earned runs/58.2 innings) with 22 walks and 61 strikeouts. He has appeared in 119 games (106 starts) across six major league seasons between the Pirates (2016-2020) and Cubs (2021). Overall, he is 35-39 with a 4.49 ERA (296 earned runs/593.1 innings) with 199 walks and 477 strikeouts. He was originally selected by the Marlins in the second round of the 2013 First-Year Player Draft out of Arizona State University. Williams has made two starts at Citi Field and owns a 1.93 ERA (three earned runs/14.0 innings) with four walks and 10 strikeouts. Crow-Armstrong, 19, was the Mets first-round pick in the 2020 First-Year Player Draft out of Harvard-Westlake High School in California. He appeared in six games with the St. Lucie Mets before he suffered a season-ending shoulder injury. He underwent surgery on his right shoulder for a GLAD lesion (glenoid labral articular disruption) in May.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2021 03:14 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

So it's just PCA and nobody else? Huh.

Ceetar Jul 30 2021 03:16 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Cubs are throwing in cash too.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2021 03:19 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Anthony diComo wrote: About an hour before the Trade Deadline on Friday, Mets general manager Zack Scott emerged from the clubhouse to engage in a brief conversation with shortstop Francisco Lindor, who was taking ground balls on the field. The two spoke for several moments before Scott descended back into the bowels of Citi Field. A few minutes later, surrounded by his teammates, Lindor let out a joyful scream.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2021 03:46 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Is Zack Scott now the the general manager with no "acting" before his title or is diComo just tweeting and being sloppy? Did I forget something?

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2021 03:58 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I also think that the Mets will extend Baez before he hits free agency. Agreed. Don't agree ... certainly not as a pre-planned strategy.

smg58 Jul 30 2021 03:58 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Baez's glove and versatility (combined, most likely, with McNeil's versatility) makes this a good upgrade, with two caveats: 1. Baez will not find Citi as friendly to his approach as Wrigley Field was. Keep your offensive expectations conservative. 2. If they could have given up less than Crow-Armstrong to get just Baez, adding Trevor Williams was a very bad move.

smg58 Jul 30 2021 03:59 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Frayed Knot wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I also think that the Mets will extend Baez before he hits free agency. Agreed. Don't agree ... certainly not as a pre-planned strategy. I don't agree either. I would really want to see how he plays here before I considered it.

TransMonk Jul 30 2021 04:02 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I'm not saying I think it's a good idea. But if I were a betting man making a binary choice about what the club will do...

Lefty Specialist Jul 30 2021 04:07 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I'd let this season play out until before extending him. There are a lot of moving parts here.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2021 04:43 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

We're unlikely to discover anything about JB over the next two months that we don't already know: great and versatile D, power but low OBPs plus high Ks and zero plate discipline. Not sure how anxious they should be to extend such an animal.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2021 04:55 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Frayed Knot wrote: We're unlikely to discover anything about JB over the next two months that we don't already know: great and versatile D, power but low OBPs plus high Ks and zero plate discipline. Not sure how anxious they should be to extend such an animal. Like, league-leading high K's. The kind of thing that seems like just statistical noise until he's doing it for your team. New Crane Pool Forum Rule: Don't post while cycling.

Fman99 Jul 30 2021 05:36 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I love this trade. He's a MLB slugger and an immediate lineup upgrade, OBP/Ks notwithstanding.

seawolf17 Jul 30 2021 05:46 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I have no interest in an extension either right now, but a lot can happen between now and winter. And dude *is* only 28.

kcmets Jul 30 2021 05:51 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Lefty Specialist wrote: I'd let this season play out until before extending him. There are a lot of moving parts here. Frayed Knot wrote: We're unlikely to discover anything about JB over the next two months... ...Not sure how anxious they should be to extend such an animal. Thirded.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2021 06:43 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1421268402623164422[/tweet]

Chad ochoseis Jul 30 2021 06:55 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I'm not seeing him as anything more than a fill-in for Lindor in case the oblique keeps him out for 6-8 weeks, which isn't unheard of, and then a defensive upgrade at 2B once Lindor returns. Longer term, an infield of Pete or Dom-Baez-Lindor-McNeil doesn't excite me any more than Pete/Dom - McNeil - Lindor - JD. I don't like trading high ceiling prospects, but for all the talk of the team needing a "real" CF, Nimmo's been plenty real lately. Not sure there was going to be a spot opening for PCA unless Conforto were to walk, and I'd rather see the Mets buy low on Conforto during the off-season. So I don't hate the trade, but it's a rental.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2021 07:05 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

When I predicted an extension for Baez, I didn't mean that it's going to happen in the next few weeks. I'm thinking it will happen between the last game of the season and the start of free agency. That may not technically be an "extension" so perhaps I used the wrong word.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 31 2021 08:44 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

He's an imperfect player (duh) but brings raw power, all caps EXCITEMENT, and elite defense up the middle. The thing this signals to me most, worrisome or not, is a commitment to making Lindor as comfortable as possible, so we get the Lindor we know exists for the next 9+ years. Is that worth Pete Crow-Armstrong? If it works, then most likely yes. And it's not like Báez is Mike Glavine or anything, he's a very good, in-his-prime player and I'd bet a round of expensive beers at Citi Field they extend or re-sign him.

MFS62 Jul 31 2021 10:08 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

=Fman99 post_id=72998 time=1627688187 user_id=86] I love this trade. He's a MLB slugger and an immediate lineup upgrade, OBP/Ks notwithstanding.

What stands out most to me is the 65 RBI this year and the league-leading 111 his last full season. (You can count the All-Star appearances and Gold Gloves, too) But this team leaves too many runners on base and I can overlook his other deficiencies if he can continue to drive in runs. The game boils down to scoring runs and keeping the other team from scoring runs, and he does both.



Later

Ceetar Jul 31 2021 10:18 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

he's a smidge above league average at run creation this year.

Chad ochoseis Jul 31 2021 10:21 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I'd bet a round of expensive beers at Citi Field they extend or re-sign him. We're on. Payable next time we're both in town.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2021 11:17 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

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Edgy MD Jul 31 2021 12:49 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

A Boy Named Seo wrote: He's an imperfect player (duh) but brings raw power, all caps EXCITEMENT, and elite defense up the middle. The thing this signals to me most, worrisome or not, is a commitment to making Lindor as comfortable as possible, so we get the Lindor we know exists for the next 9+ years. Is that worth Pete Crow-Armstrong? If it works, then most likely yes. And it's not like Báez is Mike Glavine or anything, he's a very good, in-his-prime player and I'd bet a round of expensive beers at Citi Field they extend or re-sign him. Is he a very good, in-his-prime player in a way that Jeff McNeil distinctly ain't? Because I'm having trouble making this add up with the decreased playing time for Jeff, who is the team's most reliable hitter right now, and has a lifetime .312 batting average and .860 OPS. The glove can speak for itself, but those are numbers that Javy Baez has rarely ever sniffed, much less sustained over a career. Ideally, the playing time he gains gets taken from multiple people. But I'd seriously have guessed that a new shortstop was one of the last things the team needed.

Lefty Specialist Jul 31 2021 12:59 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Well, you'll see Javy at short for at least a few weeks because it doesn't look like Lindor's coming back anytime soon. I'd expect the playing time losers are Guillorme and Villar. Villar has looked a little logy since he came back from his last injury.

kcmets Jul 31 2021 01:43 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Isn't the ultimate 'plan' to have Lindor at SS, Baez at 2B and McNeil at 3B? I'm sure I've heard this multiple times. And there's Baez quotes out there that he'll only play 2B on a team if he can play with Lindor at SS otherwise in any other situation he's a shortstop.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 31 2021 01:46 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Edgy MD wrote: But I'd seriously have guessed that a new shortstop was one of the last things the team needed. Same here. But I'm willing to give this management every benefit of the doubt. Plus, who knows how much limbo the 2021 Mets offfense is still in with Lindor IL'd and McNeil perhaps not fully healed. I don't. So maybe Baez truly is a rental. Baez is an asset. Overall, he'll help you win. He just has a strange skill set. He's a spectacular gold-glove caliber defender who can absolutely crush -pulverize the baseball - but who strikes out a heck of a lot and swings at everything - rarely walking.

G-Fafif Jul 31 2021 01:59 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Javy will wear 23; David Peterson switches to 46 (on the IL).

A Boy Named Seo Jul 31 2021 06:29 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Edgy MD wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: He's an imperfect player (duh) but brings raw power, all caps EXCITEMENT, and elite defense up the middle. The thing this signals to me most, worrisome or not, is a commitment to making Lindor as comfortable as possible, so we get the Lindor we know exists for the next 9+ years. Is that worth Pete Crow-Armstrong? If it works, then most likely yes. And it's not like Báez is Mike Glavine or anything, he's a very good, in-his-prime player and I'd bet a round of expensive beers at Citi Field they extend or re-sign him. Is he a very good, in-his-prime player in a way that Jeff McNeil distinctly ain't? Because I'm having trouble making this add up with the decreased playing time for Jeff, who is the team's most reliable hitter right now, and has a lifetime .312 batting average and .860 OPS. The glove can speak for itself, but those are numbers that Javy Baez has rarely ever sniffed, much less sustained over a career. Ideally, the playing time he gains gets taken from multiple people. But I'd seriously have guessed that a new shortstop was one of the last things the team needed. I still think Javy is kind of a therapy blanket for Lindor, but he's still an elite defender and right-handed power bat, and the team got way deeper offensively and defensively before a maybe playoff run. McNeil will still get reps at second and may platoon at third some when JD comes back, but he hasn't done much damage against lefties this year so I can't blame the Mets much for making this move.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 31 2021 06:32 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Chad ochoseis wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: I'd bet a round of expensive beers at Citi Field they extend or re-sign him. We're on. Payable next time we're both in town. Deal 🤝 (apologies in advance to my chase account)

G-Fafif Jul 31 2021 07:21 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Not bad tonight.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2021 09:59 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Javier becomes the fourth member of Team Puerto Rico to hitch his vagón to the 2021 Mets.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 20 2021 03:14 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Report: Mets Discussed Blockbuster Trade With Cubs At Deadline Sports Illustrated wrote: According to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, the Mets were talking to the Cubs about a potential blockbuster deal that would have sent 2020 first-round pick Pete Crow-Armstrong, an even higher regarded prospect and a major league player under multi-year control to Chicago in exchange for Kris Bryant, Javier Báez, Trevor Williams and another major league player. However, the Mets received the news that their ace, Jacob deGrom, was going to be shutdown with right elbow inflammation just hours before the deadline, which would put him out until September at best-case scenario. Due to the uncertainty surrounding deGrom's status, the Mets decided to make a smaller trade that would slice the initial package in half in the form of Báez and Williams coming to Queens in exchange for Crow-Armstrong, per Rosenthal. This was decided in the final hour prior to the 4 p.m. deadline on July 30. I'm not sure I see the argument for the half measure. If they figured that losing deGrom meant that they were less likely to make the playoffs with Baez and Bryant, why trade Crow-Armstrong for a package that doesn't include Bryant? Getting less of a boost and still giving up a top prospect?

nymr83 Aug 20 2021 04:34 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Well, if they were down on crow armstrong already it makes a little more sense. We don't know who the players in the bryant deal were. Was it mauricio? Vientos? The cubs traded Rizzo away - what if the deal was Baez and Bryant rentals for Dom Smith? I think I would have done that for a team 5 games up with a healthy degrom. Not with the team you have.

G-Fafif Aug 29 2021 03:35 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Seems like a healthy attitude. [tweet]https://twitter.com/nypost_mets/status/1432087441003921409[/tweet]

batmagadanleadoff Aug 29 2021 03:46 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

That quote makes sense. Not.

kcmets Aug 29 2021 03:50 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I had the post game on when Javy was up. I just sat there wide eyed thinking shut the fuck up man while you still can. I have nothing against him or his thought process but there will be plenty who will jump all over it. And an off day tomorrow. The Post and Snooze back page designers probably ejaculated on themselves.

Ceetar Aug 29 2021 04:11 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Report: Mets Discussed Blockbuster Trade With Cubs At Deadline Sports Illustrated wrote: According to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, the Mets were talking to the Cubs about a potential blockbuster deal that would have sent 2020 first-round pick Pete Crow-Armstrong, an even higher regarded prospect and a major league player under multi-year control to Chicago in exchange for Kris Bryant, Javier Báez, Trevor Williams and another major league player. However, the Mets received the news that their ace, Jacob deGrom, was going to be shutdown with right elbow inflammation just hours before the deadline, which would put him out until September at best-case scenario. Due to the uncertainty surrounding deGrom's status, the Mets decided to make a smaller trade that would slice the initial package in half in the form of Báez and Williams coming to Queens in exchange for Crow-Armstrong, per Rosenthal. This was decided in the final hour prior to the 4 p.m. deadline on July 30. I'm not sure I see the argument for the half measure. If they figured that losing deGrom meant that they were less likely to make the playoffs with Baez and Bryant, why trade Crow-Armstrong for a package that doesn't include Bryant? Getting less of a boost and still giving up a top prospect? Probably Davis or McNeil. It's..nice? to have confirmation that the Mets basically intentionally punted the season.

G-Fafif Aug 29 2021 04:19 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

In his own words… [tweet]https://twitter.com/snytv/status/1432087508972625926[/tweet]

bmfc1 Aug 29 2021 04:26 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

The Mets traded one of their few good prospects for Baez, and two months of him, at the urging of Lindor, who they signed for 10 years and a zillion dollars, and both of them told the fans to "fuck off" today.

smg58 Aug 29 2021 04:48 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I'm not sure what Lindor's involvement was, but they gave up more than the Yankees did for Rizzo and the Giants did for Bryant for what they are now saying was a half-measure (and got somebody that people will now be happy to see go in two months). And they got no relievers, and Rich Hill was the best they could do for the rotation.

bmfc1 Aug 29 2021 05:13 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

=smg58 post_id=75890 time=1630277333 user_id=62] I'm not sure what Lindor's involvement was, but they gave up more than the Yankees did for Rizzo and the Giants did for Bryant for what they are now saying was a half-measure (and got somebody that people will now be happy to see go in two months). And they got no relievers, and Rich Hill was the best they could do for the rotation.

If you're gonna boo anyone, it should be Sandy and Zack.

TransMonk Aug 29 2021 06:08 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

https://media3.giphy.com/media/QWqH7oRfHwVKwb8YDL/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9521ca3f7b48dfa2d4c7cb77fd070bd4df09c546d28&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g> Fuck you, Javy.

G-Fafif Aug 29 2021 06:43 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I had the post game on when Javy was up. I just sat there wide eyed thinking shut the fuck up man while you still can. I have nothing against him or his thought process but there will be plenty who will jump all over it. And an off day tomorrow. The Post and Snooze back page designers probably ejaculated on themselves. [tweet]https://twitter.com/backpageguynydn/status/1432126070699053062[/tweet]

Edgy MD Aug 29 2021 07:02 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

=smg58 post_id=75890 time=1630277333 user_id=62] I'm not sure what Lindor's involvement was, but they gave up more than the Yankees did for Rizzo and the Giants did for Bryant for what they are now saying was a half-measure (and got somebody that people will now be happy to see go in two months). And they got no relievers, and Rich Hill was the best they could do for the rotation.

I don't know what they're saying about half-measures, but please, no more relievers.

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2021 07:06 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

'And fan pressure is why I swing at every pitch within two feet of the strikezone'

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 29 2021 07:24 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Sandy issued a statement saying the gesture is unacceptable and he will be addressing it with the players.

Fman99 Aug 29 2021 07:57 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Man I hate it but it's just more hot sexy LOL Mets action. Same as it ever was.

Ceetar Aug 29 2021 08:10 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

SAndy could've just let it be with this tweet from Kevin an hour prior to his statement. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/KPILLAR4/status/1432122038915846146[/TWEET]

nymr83 Aug 29 2021 08:24 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

SAndy could've just let it be with this tweet from Kevin an hour prior to his statement. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/KPILLAR4/status/1432122038915846146[/TWEET] Well, Kevin got it right. Javy...didn't.

Gwreck Aug 29 2021 08:42 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

=Ceetar post_id=75904 time=1630289412 user_id=102] SAndy could've just let it be with this tweet from Kevin an hour prior to his statement.

Way too little, too late from Pillar.

G-Fafif Aug 29 2021 08:46 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ryanfieldabc/status/1432169078161125378[/tweet]

nymr83 Aug 29 2021 08:52 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Pissed the Mets traded for this clown

G-Fafif Aug 29 2021 08:56 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Sandy's statement. In a post-game press conference today, Javy Baez stated that his “thumbs down” gesture during the game was a message to fans who recently have booed him and other players for poor performance. These comments, and any gestures by him or other players with a similar intent, are totally unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Mets fans are understandably frustrated over the team's recent performance. The players and the organization are equally frustrated, but fans at Citi Field have every right to express their own disappointment. Booing is every fan's right. The Mets will not tolerate any player gesture that is unprofessional in its meaning or is directed in a negative way toward our fans. I will be meeting with our players and staff to convey this message directly. Mets fans are loyal, passionate, knowledgeable and more than willing to express themselves. We love them for every one of these qualities. https://newyorkmets.medium.com/statement-from-mets-president-sandy-alderson-2f968039ee3b

G-Fafif Aug 29 2021 10:24 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Newsday points its thumb at Lindor. [tweet]https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1432193412732698627[/tweet]

duan Aug 30 2021 03:43 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

This is a really bad look all round. Jesus how lacking in self awareness can one bunch of people be.

smg58 Aug 30 2021 04:57 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that Baez should not play another inning in a Mets uniform. Pillar as well. DFA them, but not for a couple of days so that they lose their playoff eligibility. Lindor, well, we've made too much of a commitment to him. He gets a couple of days off too, but after that give the fans every opportunity to let him have it.

ashie62 Aug 30 2021 05:22 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 30 2021 05:35 AM

DFA Baez. What an asshat. Almost wish I was at Citi so I could boo these pricks. I'm sure those there will have fun with this.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 30 2021 05:27 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I guess I should listen to the context of those remarks to better understand them. I was on the road yesterday and missed most of the game. It would seem to be a kind of not so funny joke with a kernel of truth to it. I'll bet the players are unhappy. I also understand they didn't hire Baez for his brains. He's getting dfaed over this unless he doubles down Sandy's message seems appropriate inasmuch as he recognized what red meat this would be for a press that hasn't had the kind of access to get anything so juicy in years and a narrative to explain the club's dysfunction. Getting harder and harder to imagine Luis survives. The team might also do well to acquire a veteran or two who "know how to play the game the right way." The ballplayers haven't been held to account, and would seem to care more about what color the jersey is, or how they do in meaningless skills competitions than the long season.

Fman99 Aug 30 2021 05:48 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

This story has made me disproportionately angry. I never boo at the ballpark. But they're booing us, booing me. Has any team ever hated its own fans as much as this one? Ever?

batmagadanleadoff Aug 30 2021 05:53 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: The ballplayers haven't been held to account, and would seem to care more about what color the jersey is, or how they do in meaningless skills competitions than the long season. This sounds so (ahem) bearish.

duan Aug 30 2021 05:56 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

You could almost here whomever was questioning gaffawing as he realised how stupid Baez was going to look coming out with that. I don't like booing - I never see the point of it, but to whine about it and then do some stupid 'retribution' ... do you EVER look in the mirror!

ashie62 Aug 30 2021 06:09 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I hope Lindor got talked into this. It is a long contract.

seawolf17 Aug 30 2021 06:15 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

=Fman99 post_id=75926 time=1630324113 user_id=86] This story has made me disproportionately angry. I never boo at the ballpark. But they're booing us, booing me. Has any team ever hated its own fans as much as this one? Ever?

This was my thought as well. I wonder why we do this to ourselves sometimes.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 30 2021 06:29 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Look I've supported the team for 50 years. I boo sometimes. I booed the other night when we went down feebly to a parade shitty giants pitchers & a guy didn't cover first base. It's reactive and it expresses my displeasure at the effort-- very different than the numbnuts who *greet* a player with boos. Those fans suck. I am a very good Mets fan. Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: The ballplayers haven't been held to account, and would seem to care more about what color the jersey is, or how they do in meaningless skills competitions than the long season. This sounds so (ahem) bearish. you bet it is.

Ceetar Aug 30 2021 06:59 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

it's entertainment, boo if you're not entertained. Although booing specific players always seems a little crass. Boo a GIDP down 3 runs in the 5th. But booing like Dom Smith when he walks up to the plate is silly, though I guess if you want to boo when he makes out AGAIN, that's you're right. Of course sometimes players misunderstand. You might boo Kevin Pillar in the starting lineup because Michael Conforto SHOULD be there. You're really booing Luis Rojas. I remember a story from Philly that Billy Wagner got upset that fans were booing a ball or something, and it just turned out they were booing that he only hit 99 and not 100. Booing the speed gun. I imagine Báez thought he was trying to be cute or playful or something, like "thumbs down to booing!" but he certainly didn't phrase or say it like that. The other guys were just doing the same thing every team does, signaling when you get on base. Javy's like "hey, let's do this!" and they just played along. teammates, etc.

TransMonk Aug 30 2021 07:59 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/it_me_rc/status/1432150906213224450[/TWEET]

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 30 2021 08:33 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Ow

Edgy MD Aug 30 2021 08:33 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I'm kind of "eh" about this. They're playing poorly and looking for a way to stay motivated, so they're using the negative vibes as fuel. That's fine. It's poorly thought out to turn that into a public campaign, but players can be stupid. The whole churve thing was weird in that it was hitters referencing the grip of a pitcher. He was, in fact, their number five starter and they were making the reference long after he was hurt and unlikely to ever pitch for the Mets again. It also looked like a white power sign. Players can be stupid. It's not like I need a reason to dislike the Baez deal, but his contract is up at the end of the season, which is more than I can say for Robinson Canó. A good leader — whether that's Alderson or Scott or Rojas or Lindor — can make something out of this moment, and a bad leader not so much. We'll see. I'll also add that I'm not sure I understand the advocacy for dumping Pillar.

kcmets Aug 30 2021 08:42 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Maybe Baez should put out a Jefferies-esque full page New York Times ad and atone for some of his cluelessness both on and off the field.

bmfc1 Aug 30 2021 08:57 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

https://nypost.com/2021/08/30/steve-cohen-mets-hit-the-third-rail-with-thumbs-down-at-fans/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter Lindor and Baez are scheduled to appear at Mets Foundation event tonight. They better do a big thumbs-up when introduced.

ashie62 Aug 30 2021 09:11 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Basically its up to Uncle Steve if he wants to fire Baez or anyone else. We shall see.

kcmets Aug 30 2021 09:17 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

You know things are not going well if you're booed at a charity event. We shall see.

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2021 09:28 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

If Baez thought he was getting razzed for K-ing a lot, he ain't heard nuthin' yet now that this story is out.

A Boy Named Seo Aug 30 2021 10:54 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 30 2021 11:59 AM

The outrage here is hilarious to me. If you want to boo (I don't get it personally, but ok), then boo. But if players have an innocuous response to it, who gives a shit if you approve of it or not. Booing is meant to elicit a response. You got one. And ironically, you don't like how it feels. I think it's kinda funny myself.

kcmets Aug 30 2021 11:00 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

=kcmets post_id=75881 time=1630273842 user_id=53]I have nothing against him or his thought process but there will be plenty who will jump all over it.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2021 11:04 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

It's true. When Richard Todd gave Jets fans the finger, it was, like, their favorite day.

ashie62 Aug 30 2021 12:00 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

You all have good points. You just can't have players doing stupid shit like this. Ultimately it is up to how the owner feels about it.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 30 2021 12:01 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

It would be a funnier story if a guy like Mazeika or Megill gave the fans the finger. FANS CAN SUCK MY NUTS, RESERVE CATCHER SAYS

batmagadanleadoff Aug 30 2021 01:15 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Javy Baez quoted in Tbe Athletic: [Quote] ... with a two-run homer, delivered a two-thumbs down salute in celebration, then revealed that the gesture, which has caught on with teammates, was an overt message to Mets fans who have chosen to boo the team's recent performance. “To let them know,” Báez said, “that when we don't get success, we're gonna get booed, so they're gonna get booed when we get success.” There was more. When first asked about the gesture, Báez explained that it stemmed from “the boos that we get.” When asked to expand, he clarified that the boos do not actually bother him; they just irked him enough that he felt motivated to boo back. “You know, we're not machines, we're gonna struggle,” he said. “We're gonna struggle seven times out of 10, and it just feels bad when I strike out and I get booed. It doesn't really get to me, but I want to let them know: When we have success, we're gonna do the same thing, to let them know how it feels. Because if we win together, we're gonna lose together. And the fans are a really big part of it.”

Sounds to me like gibberish ramblings of a very disorganized mind.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2021 08:20 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I agree with that. He's kind of painting some abstractions on his canvass and expecting the viewer to give him the benefit of the doubt and is surprised that they're interpreting the abstractions in such a negative way. Maybe this guy has an opinion. [fimg=600]https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2017/09/screen-shot-2017-09-20-at-10-29-32-am.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1[/fimg]

batmagadanleadoff Aug 30 2021 10:03 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Edgy MD wrote: I agree with that. He's kind of painting some abstractions on his canvass and expecting the viewer to give him the benefit of the doubt and is surprised that they're interpreting the abstractions in such a negative way. I wouldn't even give Baez that much credit. I think it's nothing more than nonsense, but Baez doesn't know that and truly believes he's making an intelligent remark. To your point, though, athletes are accustomed to journalists sanitizing their quotes, cleaning up the bad grammar and contriving to ascribe profound insights to absolute nonsense like what Baez spouted above.

Lefty Specialist Aug 31 2021 05:22 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

I just don't see how this ends well. When players 'boo' the fans, the fans are just going to say "Oh yeah?" and boo even louder. Plus, they'll be booing GOOD things that happen, if they see that sign from a player. Wonder if Steve Cohen is having buyer's remorse these days.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 31 2021 06:26 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Of things that don't sit well with me this year, Baez' remarks barely make the list. Dumb jocks who say dumb things will always be a part of every Mets team. Not every Mets team had its keystone combo duke it out in the dugout, bullshit about why it happened, and get away with it. Not every Mets team has its GM suggest they aren't listening to the advice of coaches or trainers and get away with it.

Ceetar Aug 31 2021 06:51 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Lefty Specialist wrote: I just don't see how this ends well. When players 'boo' the fans, the fans are just going to say "Oh yeah?" and boo even louder. Plus, they'll be booing GOOD things that happen, if they see that sign from a player. Wonder if Steve Cohen is having buyer's remorse these days. doubt it. This sort of attention and discussion is like crack to him. It's why he still traded for him after deciding to punt the season, and instead of a less flashy guy.

G-Fafif Aug 31 2021 11:12 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1432701169441329159[/tweet]

G-Fafif Aug 31 2021 11:14 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1432750277958983682[/tweet]

G-Fafif Aug 31 2021 11:15 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/javy23baez/status/1432748724296552452[/tweet]

G-Fafif Aug 31 2021 11:16 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1432745157930242051[/tweet]

G-Fafif Aug 31 2021 11:26 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

“I didn't mean to offend anybody,” [Baez] said outside of the Mets dugout. “This is something that I've done in the past against the other team. I did it in LA to the dugout. I might [have said] something wrong about how I was booing the fans, and I really meant to [say] like, ‘Boo me now' -- and not to the fans -- to our dugout because I've done it with the other team and against other teams. "I've never seen the same fans and I didn't say the fans are bad. I love the fans. But I just felt like we were alone. The fans obviously want us to win, and they pay our salary, like everybody says. But we want to win, too. The frustration got to us, and I didn't mean to offend anybody, and if I did offend anybody, we apologize.” Baez added he's “not surprised” about the social media whirlwind that has been created around the team now. He says he understands the frustration fans might have toward the initial comments, and added “other comments for my comment has been crazy.” But the Mets still have an entire month to play. And though they've created a giant hole to dig themselves out of if they wish to even sniff the postseason, Baez says the team is trying to be unified through the off-the-field issue that he created. https://sny.tv/articles/mets-javier-baez-apologizes-to-fans-for-thumbs-down-comments

A Boy Named Seo Aug 31 2021 11:57 AM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Gary talking about the bigger picture of the insular nature of social media and twitter, the constant, toxic vitriol that has become commonplace, and how players can easily form an us-against-the-world viewpoint when online or zoom interactions become the norm during covid times. I think an extension of that is selfish entitlement we see more and more of every day, anonymous people on the internet spouting vile shit they'd never say in public (but now, sadly, they do). The world sucks.

Ceetar Aug 31 2021 12:19 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

we can talk about it tonight perhaps (though I don't really want to dwell on this nonsense) But I think that's a small part of it. If it was really "us vs them", the 10 or so guys that aren't vaccinated would've done so for their teammates.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 31 2021 01:07 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Gary talking about the bigger picture of the insular nature of social media and twitter, the constant, toxic vitriol that has become commonplace, and how players can easily form an us-against-the-world viewpoint when online or zoom interactions become the norm during covid times. I think an extension of that is selfish entitlement we see more and more of every day, anonymous people on the internet spouting vile shit they'd never say in public (but now, sadly, they do). The world sucks. This is precisely the kind of situation that I argued with Ceetar about last year when he basically dismissed the media ban as insignificant or a net positive. And why I'm sensitive to casual and lazy remarks about Peter Gammons or whatever. It's crucial to our understanding. Of course the previous 4 years demonstrated as much wrt Trump's pretend dismissal of the media that took hold with stupid followers in this country.

G-Fafif Aug 31 2021 01:48 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/onionsports/status/1432791568822505472[/tweet] “I should've communicated that each and every fan is a completely useless fucking slob and it is beneath me to debase myself for them. I got caught up in the heat of the moment, but I want to make it clear now that Mets fans are the dregs of the MLB, they deserve nothing, and I hope every single one of them dies a horrible, painful death.” At press time, Báez had tweeted a message of unity that both players and fans should be united in directing their ire towards the cowardly, short-sighted Mets management.

Ceetar Aug 31 2021 01:48 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

well, my main point was that THE MEDIA SHOULD BE ASKING ABOUT VACCINATION STATUS, every day. constantly. Them not being at 85% is directly related to not being able to invite the press in closer. I'm not sure how that changes this particular story. The media would've asked the same questions in person as they did on Zoom, though maybe the kid isn't there. (And like, I'm pro players being able to hold their kid after the game and maybe talk to the media in a designated spot) Báez would've said the same thing.

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2021 05:52 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

Why would you care what the media asks anyone when your standing position is that they just make up what they report anyway?

Ceetar Aug 31 2021 06:22 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

they don't make up what they report, they make up the narrative and then report the quotes that fit said narrative. Like, they think the Mets should sign X free agent, so they poke around until they find someone to confirm that that's a good idea, and then report "someone close to the Mets thinks X free agent is a good fit" and then gets a bunch of clicks. It's leading reporting, it's garbage.

Fman99 Aug 31 2021 06:30 PM Re: Welcome to New York, Javy Baez!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/onionsports/status/1432791568822505472[/tweet] “I should've communicated that each and every fan is a completely useless fucking slob and it is beneath me to debase myself for them. I got caught up in the heat of the moment, but I want to make it clear now that Mets fans are the dregs of the MLB, they deserve nothing, and I hope every single one of them dies a horrible, painful death.” At press time, Báez had tweeted a message of unity that both players and fans should be united in directing their ire towards the cowardly, short-sighted Mets management. Lol