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bmfc1 Aug 08 2021 01:53 PM

If you want to the Mets future, and that's better than looking at the Mets present, here are the Free Agents for 2022. I think that Steve will be pissed and want to spend but other than Scherzer, who will likely want to stay in LA, I don't see much for him to buy, especially in the OF: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/

Benjamin Grimm Aug 08 2021 03:00 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

There's a club option on Bauer? Meaning that the Dodgers can be free of him after this season?

Ceetar Aug 08 2021 03:07 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Cohen won't open the purse strings, why bother?

batmagadanleadoff Aug 08 2021 03:14 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Cohen won't open the purse strings, why bother? I'm beginning go wonder if there's some conspiracy theory where the owners were able to neutralize Cohen's enormous financial advantage as a condition to him being let into "the club". Its whiffing on Realmuto and Springer and Bauer and then the amateur draft fiasco.

Ceetar Aug 08 2021 05:12 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

same story with every other rich billionaire that shouldn't exist. the return on investment (and that's all this is to him, a different incarnation of the stock market gambling game) starts to not be worth it at those numbers. Mets were 65% or whatever to make the playoffs at the deadline, so spending to make it 75 or 85% just doesn't provide the value. Trading the Rocker pick for future value is a good investment move, the year delay and current needs of the franchise be damned. We're a rich asshole's plaything, and there's not much we can do if he's playing with it for his own benefit, not everyone else's.

kcmets Aug 08 2021 05:47 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

=Ceetar post_id=73909 time=1628464351 user_id=102] same story with every other rich billionaire that shouldn't exist. the return on investment (and that's all this is to him, a different incarnation of the stock market gambling game) starts to not be worth it at those numbers. Mets were 65% or whatever to make the playoffs at the deadline, so spending to make it 75 or 85% just doesn't provide the value. Trading the Rocker pick for future value is a good investment move, the year delay and current needs of the franchise be damned. We're a rich asshole's plaything, and there's not much we can do if he's playing with it for his own benefit, not everyone else's.

So, now Cohen's not really a Mets fan and only cares about money? Pretty nutty (?) to

be going down that dark bleak rabbit hole so early in the game.

Frayed Knot Aug 08 2021 06:14 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Lionel Messi inked a two year deal with PSG today so he's off the market. Prior to that I was just figuring that as long as we're going to score at the rate of a soccer club he might have been a good fit.

Ceetar Aug 08 2021 06:41 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

=kcmets post_id=73912 time=1628466424 user_id=53] So, now Cohen's not really a Mets fan and only cares about money? Pretty nutty (?) to be going down that dark bleak rabbit hole so early in the game.

He's a billionaire, they generally don't care about much else. He exhibits very little understanding of baseball or what's gone on with the Mets the last bunch of years DESPITE being a part owner. But it's not specifically money, it's about the game, the chase, of the investment and the status of owning the team. It's like how he got so bent out of shape about the Wall Street Bets thing (Even though it sounds like he made millions off it) because they were DOING IT WRONG. The poors found a loophole through collective action that messed with the loopholes he used to make billions.



I'm worried he's going to become a Steinbrenneresque meddler, and he's just not had the chance to really step in and figure out how and where to do so. Maybe he needs another trump exec to tell him what to do.

Lefty Specialist Aug 08 2021 06:42 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Frayed Knot wrote: Lionel Messi inked a two year deal with PSG today so he's off the market. Prior to that I was just figuring that as long as we're going to score at the rate of a soccer club he might have been a good fit. Well, the Mets don't seem to use their hands either.

kcmets Aug 08 2021 07:00 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Answering Ceets, my connection here craps out a lot lately... With all due respect, I can't go down the rabbit hole. If after 3-4 years or so there's a pattern of behavior maybe I'll revisit it but for now pointing fingers at him and citing things that have nothing to do with 2022 Free Agents and the poor and the billionaires and Steingrabber seems a little needlessly soapbox-y to me.

ashie62 Aug 08 2021 08:12 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Yes it does. Stereotypes.

Ceetar Aug 09 2021 01:01 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

There is a pattern of behavior! Just not as Mets owner. Certainly enough to NOT give him some benefit of the doubt. And early returns aren't great.

kcmets Aug 09 2021 01:17 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

I'm in Camp 3-4 Years to see what longer-term returns are. After twenty years of online Sell the Team NOW!!! I have no energy to over scrutinize the new owner after one season and/or ~100 games in..

Ceetar Aug 09 2021 01:23 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Then don't. I've got the energy for it. They're squandering this season despite obvious things they ignored, and that deserves criticism. They'll probably try for Bauer again.

kcmets Aug 09 2021 01:29 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Criticize all you want. If you want to cite the poor, billionaires and Steingrabber I do have the energy to point out that you're off track and just soapboxing other dislikes besides the squandering of the season and 2022 Free Agents. (see thread title)

MFS62 Aug 09 2021 01:40 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

If you want to the Mets future, and that's better than looking at the Mets present, here are the Free Agents for 2022. I think that Steve will be pissed and want to spend but other than Scherzer, who will likely want to stay in LA, I don't see much for him to buy, especially in the OF: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/ There is one name on that list that jumps out at me. It seems that for the past ten years, every time there is a need for the Mets to acquire a player, there have been stories (rumors?, made up stuff?) in the various media that the Mets were interested in Andrew McCutcheon. I believe the Mets are finally going to get him, just in time for his production to drop faster than a hooker at a bachelor party. Later

Edgy MD Aug 09 2021 01:42 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

I'm not sure what media you're referencing. I'd be surprised to find out that the Mets are leaking offseason free agent targets in August. As for patterns of behavior, one team wins and 29 lose. You can look for a distinct pattern of behavior in every case, and wait until they are in a losing streak to connect all the dots, but the reality is that some teams may well do absolutely everything right and still lose.

Ceetar Aug 09 2021 01:45 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

There was a standout, clear cut, better than everyone else by miles free agent, that the Mets had no players at, and they passed. I can't wait to hear Cohen threaten not to sign someone because he's not worth the bucks for a shortened season if the players are threatening to strike. Because it's all about the value propositions.

Edgy MD Aug 09 2021 02:06 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

You can't wait? I'm not even certain I understand the first sentence.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 09 2021 02:18 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

I think he's talking about how the Mets opted not to try for Realmuto.

kcmets Aug 09 2021 02:52 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Of course, but there's so much more! He's all over the map up above.

Ceetar Aug 09 2021 04:53 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

if by 'map' you mean 'Steve Cohen is a despicable person and has shown no aptitude for running the Mets any better than previous ownership' then sure. all over it.

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 09 2021 06:09 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

=Ceetar post_id=73974 time=1628549600 user_id=102] if by 'map' you mean 'Steve Cohen is a despicable person and has shown no aptitude for running the Mets any better than previous ownership' then sure. all over it.

This reads like one of those guys on Twitter with like 50,000 tweets and just 2,000 followers ranting away and not making sense.



Cohen only took control in November. They made a bold trade and signing, added depth and made some good moves. Not his fault players got hurt. If this season continues to go sideways I don't think its fair to blame the owner. He's proven to be a fan, and has been good to fans.

Ceetar Aug 09 2021 06:19 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

lol, 'bold trade' they had crap at SS and traded for maybe the best, because the Guardians were selling. Kudos for that but it's not bold. It was being called for before he even bought the team. Now, a REAL CFer? A good catcher? whiffed. hard. And then there's the Rocker thing and the trade deadline, both failures. And that's without mentioning Hiring Sandy, who hand-waved sexual assault, and then hiring one of trump's lawyers as a fixer to make it go away, which as far as I know was just 'can these two fools when the season is over', not sure if there's any more coming. I personally am not surprised with all that going on that they weren't 100% prepared for any of those steps along the way, but most of that's of their own making. And that's just Mets related Free Agents/trades. We know much more about Cohen and what he's about. But in terms of the scope of the Mets, he gets no benefit of the doubt that he's going to be noticeably better than any other owner.

kcmets Aug 09 2021 06:24 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

=Ceetar post_id=73974 time=1628549600 user_id=102]'Steve Cohen is a despicable person and has shown no aptitude for running the Mets any better than previous ownership'

First I'm hearing of his despicable-ness.



Now you want an owner to 'run' the Mets after what we just got rid of?



Did the guy like #metoo your cousin or something?



Uncle.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 09 2021 08:51 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

'Steve Cohen is a despicable person and has shown no aptitude for running the Mets any better than previous ownership' First I'm hearing of his despicable-ness. One could easily make a case for Cohen's "badness", just based on what he did before he purchased the Mets. Easily. ______________________________ This reads like one of those guys ... ranting away and not making sense. Like the guy that calls for Cuomo to resign a zillion times but also votes for Trump, the Babe Ruth of sexual abusing politicians and supports Trump blindly and at every turn no matter what? 'Cause that's also a pretty good example of "ranting away and not making sense". Did you ever call for Trump to resign? I await your silence which will no doubt, be deafening. I don't think its fair to blame the owner. [Cohen's] proven to be a fan, and has been good to fans. This may be true, but coming from you? You defended the Wilpons as vigorously as you've defended Trump all these years, even going so far as to try and convince us that spending money doesn't matter when it comes to building a winning baseball team. You defended the Wilpons like a snake-oil salesman. You'd probably defend Hitler if he owned the Mets. And vote for Hitler, too if he was the GOP candidate.

kcmets Aug 09 2021 09:00 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

One could easily make a case for Cohen's "badness", just based on what he did before he purchased the Mets. Easily. I imagine one could do so of all big-time sports owners. I'm not as worldly as Ceetar and you so I don't know anything specific that separates him from his rich team-owning cronies. And it still has nothing to do with Realmuto and that Dodger dude nor 2022 free agency.

Ceetar Aug 09 2021 09:06 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

well not _nothing_. It's not shocking that a guy that's had to hire scummy lawyers twice to "settle" workplace harassment cases ignored the red flags with that pitcher, nor that the guy he hired to run the join who immediately hired back a serial harasser ignore them too. Though I guess technically it was the OTHER guy that was sexually harassing people that was supposed to be making the decisions. But then it really only came down to like, not offering him another 5 million or something anyway. This stuff doesn't exactly make me feel good about the decision making process going forward.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 09 2021 09:23 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

One could easily make a case for Cohen's "badness", just based on what he did before he purchased the Mets. Easily. I'm not as worldly as Ceetar and you so I don't know anything specific.... So then shut up, Mr. Pile-on low hanging fruit.

kcmets Aug 09 2021 09:33 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Not likely. I don't remember either of you chiming in that the Mets were bought by Steve Cohen. Now it's a thing. Everything is a thing.

kcmets Aug 09 2021 09:34 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

I figured you were in Camp Low Hanging Fruit. Pretty obvious.

kcmets Aug 09 2021 09:35 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Typical editing of posts.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 09 2021 09:44 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Again with the edit. I don't change my post after someone responds to it. Where's the "edited" tag? Where?

batmagadanleadoff Aug 09 2021 09:45 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

=kcmets post_id=73989 time=1628566428 user_id=53] Not likely. I don't remember either of you chiming in that the Mets were bought by Steve Cohen. Now it's a thing. Everything is a thing.

What the f are you talking about? Does anyone in the whole wide world know what you're talking about? What? Cohen doesn't own the Mets?



What?

Gwreck Aug 09 2021 11:41 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

It's not shocking that a guy that's had to hire scummy lawyers twice to "settle" workplace harassment cases Why would you put the word settle in quotes? Are you unsure how lawsuits, and particularly employment discrimination lawsuits work? “Scummy” lawyers is also a giveaway that you're pushing an unsupported agenda here.

kcmets Aug 10 2021 05:30 AM Re: 2022 Free Agents

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=73993 time=1628567143 user_id=68] =kcmets post_id=73989 time=1628566428 user_id=53] Not likely. I don't remember either of you chiming in that the Mets were bought by Steve Cohen. Now it's a thing. Everything is a thing.

What the f are you talking about? Does anyone in the whole wide world know what you're talking about? What? Cohen doesn't own the Mets?

What?


It was getting late (for me, particularly this early in the week) left out a word - negatively.

I don't remember either of you 'chiming in negatively.'



Everything is a thing - you don't really need that broken down, do you?

Ceetar Aug 10 2021 06:36 AM Re: 2022 Free Agents

It's not shocking that a guy that's had to hire scummy lawyers twice to "settle" workplace harassment cases Why would you put the word settle in quotes? Are you unsure how lawsuits, and particularly employment discrimination lawsuits work? “Scummy” lawyers is also a giveaway that you're pushing an unsupported agenda here. because firing the HR lady and the jerk you rehired is _not enough_ it does not settle the workplace issues, nor does having 'training' or 'meetings' about it. The lawyer in question is the one that successfully argued that hiring Jared Kushner wasn't nepotism. Working for the scumbags pretty much is the definition of scummy. I think I outlined more in the callaway/porter thread.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 10 2021 10:01 AM Re: 2022 Free Agents

=kcmets post_id=73995 time=1628595056 user_id=53] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=73993 time=1628567143 user_id=68] =kcmets post_id=73989 time=1628566428 user_id=53] Not likely. I don't remember either of you chiming in that the Mets were bought by Steve Cohen. Now it's a thing. Everything is a thing.

What the f are you talking about? Does anyone in the whole wide world know what you're talking about? What? Cohen doesn't own the Mets?

What?


It was getting late (for me, particularly this early in the week) left out a word - negatively.

I don't remember either of you 'chiming in negatively.'



Everything is a thing - you don't really need that broken down, do you?


Where did I ever write that Cohen's purchase of the Mets was a negative thing? Oh for three. Hat trick. Bat trick. Batshit crazy trick.

Edgy MD Aug 10 2021 10:05 AM Re: 2022 Free Agents

2022 free agents suck.

kcmets Aug 10 2021 10:12 AM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Where did I ever write that Cohen's purchase of the Mets was a negative thing? Well, you jumped on the Cohen badness Ceetar train earlier in the thread. I merely pointed out that neither of you said anything negatively about him until the last day or so (that I recall). This thread is "batshit" crazy at this point. Peace out.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 10 2021 10:24 AM Re: 2022 Free Agents

=kcmets post_id=74014 time=1628611923 user_id=53] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=74011 time=1628611306 user_id=68]Where did I ever write that Cohen's purchase of the Mets was a negative thing?

Well, you jumped on the Cohen badness Ceetar train earlier in the thread.

I merely pointed out that neither of you said anything negatively about him

until the last day or so (that I recall).





No. I jumped on you for piling on. Piling on without adding a single thing to the discussion. No insights. No nothing. You're Nelson Muntz. That's what you do. That and pick on new people who are vulnerable to your dumb attacks because they're new.

kcmets Aug 10 2021 11:00 AM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Hope your using me as your personal punching bag gives you the warm and fuzzies. Just move on, no one here cares to see this.

kcmets Aug 10 2021 11:09 AM Re: 2022 Free Agents

Alleging piling on by piling on. Classikc!!

metsmarathon Aug 10 2021 12:58 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

so... uh... like... other than arguing back and forth whether or not steve cohen is a terrible guy, a terrific guy, or quite possibly somewhere in the inbetween... who among the 2022 free agents do you think we should be pursuing? (whether or not steve cohen, who may or may not be better than the wilpons, may or may not open his wallet wide enough to sign anyone....) (fuck i hate this place sometimes....)

Ceetar Aug 10 2021 01:04 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

The obvious ones are Stroman, Syndergaard, and Conforto. Or try to upgrade each of those with someone else, which is going to be tough all around.

kcmets Aug 10 2021 01:20 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

=metsmarathon post_id=74027 time=1628621915 user_id=83] who among the 2022 free agents do you think we should be pursuing? (fuck i hate this place sometimes....)

=Ceetar post_id=73903 time=1628456871 user_id=102]Cohen won't open the purse strings, why bother?

All I did was point out that the Cohen badness was pretty fresh here. Then

everyone's favorite poster 'mother fucks' me for the 250th time and no one

cares. No one.

Ceetar Aug 10 2021 01:28 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

I've been talking about how much of a scumbag he is since before the first deal fell through. I don't know if A-Rod would've been financially viable as an owner, but at least I figured his priorities would be better for fans. Who knows. What I do know is the Mets 2022 holes are bigger than there 2021 ones, and they'd be much better positioned with Realmuto or Springer.

metsmarathon Aug 10 2021 01:35 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

yeah, there's not a lot of upgrade space out there.... scherzer aside, about the only free agent pitcher that seems like a good buy might be jon gray. if we want to just build up an immense collection of injured forearms, maybe we take on kershaw for fun and anxiety. but mostly anxiety. otherwise, gosh, there doesn't seem to be much of anything. i hope the market really isn't there for syndergaard, but it's so thin, he might be hard to hold onto. conforto is a tough one. he really seems to have fallen completely apart doesn't he? in the outfield, the top candidate is castellanos. kris bryant, too, if you play him there. are we fully sour on baez? i'd kinda like to see what an infield with him and lindor looks like, but he's not making the strongest case here.... and i wonder if we'll get to see that anytime this year. sigh. but with the kind of hitter he is, we really need better hitters around him. or we need our hitters around him to be better. one of those.

Edgy MD Aug 10 2021 01:36 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

https://memecentral.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Lily-the-Swim-Pup-Love-You.jpg> And you and you and you.

metsmarathon Aug 10 2021 01:38 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

=kcmets post_id=74029 time=1628623259 user_id=53] no one cares. No one.

i care.

duan Aug 10 2021 04:42 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

I have no problem conceptualising that a billionaire hedge fund guy ain't a warm cuddly uncle like “Steve” seems to currently aiming to be portrayed as. There's also a decent number of things where you can point to the front office (which is a proxy for ownership) and go - Holy Fuck guys that's not a great judgement call. The lads on For All You Kids Out There did a fairly good if depressing job of going through all that stuff on their last two episodes (worth a listen if you haven't) I won't get too deep into all that but to buttress Ceetars claims that they don't know what they're doing is that unless we finish in the 10th slot or above in the draft we will lose the other first round pick after the Rocker comp pick if we sign someone who has a qualifying offer. So unless a higher end Free Agent was traded (Bryant was thankfully) we would be stupid to sign them

Edgy MD Aug 10 2021 08:08 PM Re: 2022 Free Agents

I missed the strife in this thread because the subject wasn't one I was interested in. Can we please keep political discourse in the NBF? Beyond that, the Red Light Forum is also a lovely place for off-topic confrontations. Let's please keep the poop out of sandbox.