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IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

ashie62 Aug 25 2021 11:29 AM

Taijuan Walker will be walking to the mound tonight. Johnny Cueto comes off the IL for SF Brandon Crawford was pulled yesterday with back tightness and is iffy. Buster Posey likely out also. Mets get another dose of Alonso Baez & Lindor hitting together in the lineup. Should be much octane on most nights. LGM

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 12:28 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

=ashie62 post_id=75455 time=1629912557 user_id=90] Mets get another dose of Alonso Baez & Lindor not hitting together in the lineup.

I fixed it for you.

bmfc1 Aug 25 2021 02:27 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Lindor not playing today makes me feel as if the sense of urgency isn't there. Perhaps he could have come out of yesterday's game early given that it was over early.

kcmets Aug 25 2021 02:33 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/NYM.png> Nimmo CF Alonso 1B McNeil 2B Conforto RF Baez SS Smith LF Villar 3B Mazeika C Walker P (7-8, 3.86)

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 02:44 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

uh, they forgot to put Lindor in the lineup

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 02:45 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

=bmfc1 post_id=75473 time=1629923243 user_id=73] Lindor not playing today makes me feel as if the sense of urgency isn't there. Perhaps he could have come out of yesterday's game early given that it was over early.

yeah, SF unloaded its bench and used all of their worst pitchers and still won going away. This is why I give up

kcmets Aug 25 2021 02:51 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Married to this guy for another nine years and a month.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 05:34 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

So far: A) were not losing by multiple runs B) we have almost as many hits as last night

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 05:35 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Frayed Knot wrote: So far: A) were not losing by multiple runs B) we have almost as many hits as last night Nevermind. Things were looking up for a brief second ... but then the Mets took over.

MFS62 Aug 25 2021 05:40 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

IIRC, Johnny Cueto had some well pitched starts against the Mets back when he was with the Reds. I'm not optimistic about seeing an offensive explosion against him. Later

kcmets Aug 25 2021 05:43 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

If signing Baez is inevitable, at least he's driving his price down.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 05:45 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

OTOH, Taijuan is flawless thru three and on just 28 pitches

bmfc1 Aug 25 2021 05:56 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Gary: Tijuan is working quickly. Ron: Tijuan has it going. Next pitch....

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 05:59 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Pop Quiz Which team scores first in a game where One team that gets four hits the first time through the lineup while the other has the first eleven retired? Hint: this is a Mets game

bmfc1 Aug 25 2021 06:05 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Is there a worse running team in baseball... history?

MFS62 Aug 25 2021 06:05 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Frayed Knot wrote: Pop Quiz Which team scores first in a game where One team that gets four hits the first time through the lineup while the other has the first eleven retired? Hint: this is a Mets game I was hoping that would be a trick question. It wasn't. Later

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 06:19 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Whoever turned Tiajuan Walker around to bat lefty, make that person manager.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 06:21 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Nimmo may or may not knock in a run here ... but at least he won't hit into a DP

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 06:25 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Bags juiced for Alonso. Cueto staying in.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 06:30 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Thank you, Bryant.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 06:30 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Alonso swings at Ball 6 but we get lucky on a bad error

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 06:33 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

And no thank you, Mac, popping up and stranding three on ball one.

bmfc1 Aug 25 2021 06:34 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

It's... something when your announcers know that your big star is going to swing at a bad ball. Meanwhile, maybe the new reliever has nothing so let him throw a strike but not if you're Jeff McNeil. Should have pinch-hit with Sisco. I'm only half-kidding.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 06:35 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

8 baserunners, 5 innings, 1 run scored ... and that was a gift

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 06:40 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

We were talking about this last night but what do you think-- do the Mets hit too many foul balls? I know fouls are sort of looked at as benign at worst but you got to wonder. It seems like while this team is busy not getting hits they seem to foul off at least 1 hittable pitch in every turn-- often, the best one they will see. So. Do the Mets out-foul the opposition? I have no idea but would not be surprised. Are foul balls good bad or indifferent, overall? They advance the count against them and only in rare cases they drive in runs; on the other hand the alternative is often a taken strike which also ain't good for all those reasons and more. But I dunno. Do any geeks study this? Is there a way for a club to "reduce" their fouls? Would the Mets benefit from fouling less and hitting the ball fair more? Do the Mets foul more than the other guys? How does fouling index with runs scored?

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 06:42 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Please turn in you homework 🍎

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 06:44 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

I'm pretty sure that the NYM hitting is foul ... but that's all I got.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 06:46 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Good fair ball by Dom there

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 06:48 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

An RBI Hit!!!! I have vague memories of what those look like.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 06:51 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Don't GiDP Mazzy, our best hitter is on deck

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 06:52 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Sucky double-play but great execution by the Gigantes.

bmfc1 Aug 25 2021 06:53 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Gary with a funny line after the IF'er stopped the single from going into the OF: it "saved a run for now". It should have been "forever".

bmfc1 Aug 25 2021 06:58 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

McNeil is missing a good game.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 06:59 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Wtf Luis

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 06:59 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Ill Communication, the new album from Michael Conforto and Jeff McNeil. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Beastie_Boys_Ill_Communication.jpg>

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 07:01 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

McNeil was the only one who could have caught but looked like he had no interest in doing so. Meanwhile, Luis has some 'splainin to do on this pitching chsnge.

bmfc1 Aug 25 2021 07:03 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

F U Luis. I hope that Luis enjoys his next position as Minor League Coordinator.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 07:05 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Is there anyone who doesn't believe that this half-inning is going to end 6-2?

bmfc1 Aug 25 2021 07:05 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Frayed Knot wrote: Meanwhile, Luis has some 'splainin to do on this pitching chsnge. It might be something like: "He had 7 up/downs and he's still coming back from an injury." "He had some high-stress pitches so I wanted a fresh arm against the lefty."

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 07:06 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Crawford cannot stop beating us. We learned from a Giants fan seated behind us last night that Crawford grew up a Giants fan and was actually pictured in the paper back when they threatened to move to Tampa. Check out the photo. https://throughthefencebaseball.com/brandon-crawfords-journey-from-childhood-dream-to-world-series-reality/

bmfc1 Aug 25 2021 07:08 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

If McNeil's not standing there thinking about his first pitch groundout with the bases loaded instead of trying to catch the pop-up then Walker is still in the game.

ashie62 Aug 25 2021 07:10 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Crawford bleeds Giants blood.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 07:18 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Nimmo sets up the next GIDP

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 07:21 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Five scubble plays.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 07:21 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Frayed Knot wrote: Nimmo sets up the next GIDP Pete is good pitching's bitch

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 07:25 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Conforto's gonna need a bigger glove.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 07:27 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Frayed Knot wrote: Meanwhile, Luis has some 'splainin to do on this pitching chsnge. It might be something like: "He had 7 up/downs and he's still coming back from an injury." "He had some high-stress pitches so I wanted a fresh arm against the lefty." Keith gave a reasonable rebuttal as to why he at least semi-agreed with the switch. Still not sure i agree but with two LHBs due up it's defensible.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 07:31 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

I think Baez is the first secondbaseman to wear 23 since Tim Bogar. It's been an outfielder's number for a while.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 25 2021 07:34 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

IIRC, Johnny Cueto had some well pitched starts against the Mets back when he was with the Reds. I'm not optimistic about seeing an offensive explosion against him. [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51403784040_b785031861_b.jpg[/FIMG]

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 07:35 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

I'm a Mets fan, but that Tyler Rogers act is an easy thing to like.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 07:40 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

NYM batters have kept a collective 18 runners on base thru 8 innings. The Giants? Four

batmagadanleadoff Aug 25 2021 07:41 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I know fouls are sort of looked at as benign at worst but you got to wonder. It seems like while this team is busy not getting hits they seem to foul off at least 1 hittable pitch in every turn-- often, the best one they will see.... Are foul balls good bad or indifferent, overall? If they're fouling off hittable pitches, I think that's bad. But wadoooeyeknow? Maybe it takes a pitch to time the pitcher? If they're fouling off bad pitches, that's also bad because they're swinging at balls.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 07:44 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Yeah it's a mystery to me, just something we noticed. If the seats in medium left were in fair terroitory the Mets would lead the league in hitting is all

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 07:47 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 25 2021 07:50 PM

If I had time I'd put up a 'Who'll Hit into the Game Ending GiDP?' poll.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 25 2021 07:50 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Yeah it's a mystery to me, just something we noticed. If the seats in medium left were in fair terroitory the Mets would lead the league in hitting is all I remember a quote from Orel Hershiser when he was at his peak with the Dodgers about some hitter that hit a 425 foot blast off of him -- but the shot was foul by like 25 or 30 feet. Hershiser wasn't fazed and said he'd take that result every day of the week. He said that the way the pitch was located, it was impossible to hit it fair and that the hitter was a sucker for even swinging at it.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 07:52 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Whatever became of Jose Peraza? We could probably use his lumber now. Oh what a terrible error

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 07:52 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

How hard is the Giants defense trying to give this one to the Mets?

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 07:52 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

The SF OF keeps the game-ending GIDP in play.

kcmets Aug 25 2021 07:53 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Lindor, buzz killer

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 07:53 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Well, nobody better than Nimmo

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 07:54 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

What a terrible game in every respect by both teams

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 07:57 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Here we go again 🐻

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 07:57 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Great AB by the Nimster

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 07:59 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

I'm rooting for a balk or WP

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 07:59 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Mr. McGee, don't make me angry.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 08:00 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I'm rooting for a balk or WP It's our best offensive move.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 08:01 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Come on, man. It only takes a single.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 08:03 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Pete's fouling off the tough ones. If McGee misses by just a little...

kcmets Aug 25 2021 08:03 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Pete, feh

Edgy MD Aug 25 2021 08:03 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Flbrghntibik.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 08:03 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Pete is not a natural born hitter. Team 2 Quit accepting new members

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 08:04 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

FUCK!! Synopsis of the season right there.

bmfc1 Aug 25 2021 08:06 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Frayed Knot wrote: Pete's fouling off the tough ones. If McGee misses by just a little... You're right but if Pete's great then why can't he hit the tough ones? He shouldn't need the pitcher to miss at all because he's Pete.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 08:10 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Cumulative LOBs: NYM = 24, SFG = 4

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2021 08:25 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

SFG kept trying to give us that game but we kept shoving it right back in their faces. Between poo-outs and DISNEY we essentially threw a chance away.

Ceetar Aug 25 2021 09:58 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: We were talking about this last night but what do you think-- do the Mets hit too many foul balls? I know fouls are sort of looked at as benign at worst but you got to wonder. It seems like while this team is busy not getting hits they seem to foul off at least 1 hittable pitch in every turn-- often, the best one they will see. So. Do the Mets out-foul the opposition? I have no idea but would not be surprised. Are foul balls good bad or indifferent, overall? They advance the count against them and only in rare cases they drive in runs; on the other hand the alternative is often a taken strike which also ain't good for all those reasons and more. But I dunno. Do any geeks study this? Is there a way for a club to "reduce" their fouls? Would the Mets benefit from fouling less and hitting the ball fair more? Do the Mets foul more than the other guys? How does fouling index with runs scored? [url]https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2021-pitches-batting.shtml yes. The Mets foul off 29.2% of pitches per strike seen. They've seen 17091 pitches. (as of yesterday?) This is second 'best' behind Atlanta. This doesn't seem to be a meaningful indicator of anything. Top three, Braves, Mets, White Sox. Bottom, Padres, Cubs, Diamondbacks. The Mets score the second fewest runs per games behind the Pirates (Though the number of 7 inning games skews this) They also see the third fewest pitches per plate appearance. 3.81. Royals the same, Rockies 3.79. THAT is bad. They're probably related. They swing at 49.1% of pitches, second highest behind the Royals. Yankees, Padres, Astros, Dodgers, Giants bottom five. They've seen the fewest 3-0 counts in baseball. (They've seen 500 fewer pitches than the next lowest team, so this is only partially meaningful, though they only jump to second lowest if you use percentage) They're second in first pitch swinging behind the Braves. So all in all, can the Mets 'reduce' their fouls? Sure, SWING AT BETTER PITCHES. SWING LESS. This isn't news though. It's part of the reason Baez was such a bad choice to 'boost' the offense. What they need are guys on base. They need people taking more pitches, WAITING for their pitch, and crushing that one. Not flailing at balls and borderline pitches. Some of it's just not executing I guess. Even 'meatball' pitches are hard to hit, but most of these guys have typically been better than that with it. They need to take more pitches, it won't magically make them identify pitches to hit better, but there is REAL value in being ahead of the count. I'm not gonna try to find it now, but there was an article recently that broke out the Mets offense ahead/behind in the count and pretty much concluded the same thing--when they wait they're find and good. Just look at Nimmo's AB in the 9th tonight. That first pitch maaay have been a ball. If that get's called a ball, and the count is 1-0 instead of 0-1, McGee may not throw the same (high, out of the zone) second pitch. He's ahead in the count, so he can try to get Nimmo to go up and chase. Maybe he lingers closer to the zone and Nimmo crushes one. Or maybe he still walks, but Alonso sense that the ump ISN'T widening the strike zone, and doesn't swing at the 1-2 pitch (almost identical to the first pitch to Nimmo) in on his hands, and now it's 2-2 and perhaps he gets a better pitch to actual hit. It's tough of course, it's hard to say Alonso shouldn't have swung at that last pitch because it was called a strike to Nimmo (though outside versus inside). What Alonso shouldn't have swung at was the second pitch, which wasn't as high to the ball to Nimmo or Smith, but was still above the strike zone. McGee through the same pitch again right after that, just an inch or two lower, IN the strike zone. He probably meant to keep it up higher,but Alonso swung again. This time instead of missing it, he fouled it off. But it still feels like he screwed up there. Swinging at those two pitches means he pretty much HAD to swing at the bad 1-2 pitch at his hands. Game over.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 25 2021 10:06 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Thanks. What you're saying is the Mets need Duda back. Or perhaps Kevin Long. He was the be aggressive on your pitch coach iirc.

Ceetar Aug 25 2021 10:29 PM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Duda episode of Mets On Tap drops tomorrow morning. (this morning? 4 hours) Even one more guy with an above average OBP would've done wonders. There's a few pending free agent outfielders that would've worked, plus other trade options (or like, even giving Cespedes a try)

Benjamin Grimm Aug 26 2021 06:39 AM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

http://potg.ultimatemets.com/images/schaefer22.jpg> Cast your vote!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 26 2021 06:40 AM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Oh, it's her again. She found a button. One of my biggest regrets in life is this Schaefer graphic.

Johnny Lunchbucket Aug 26 2021 06:47 AM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

Maybe replace her with something edgier and more modern? https://wallpapers.com/images/high/anime-girl-mikoto-misaka-w0e5dautd4rwbb2s.jpg>

Fman99 Aug 26 2021 07:02 AM Re: IGT 8/25 Giants @ Mets Walk this Way

This game sucked so much ass that I found it arousing.