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Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

bmfc1 Sep 13 2021 07:40 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 13 2021 08:32 AM

"Is this anything?" was a Letterman bit but if Taijuan was tipping his pitches and someone from the dugout was whistling the type of pitch to tell the batter is that cheating? Some would say that it isn't because no technology is involved (no one was looking at TV monitor or through another device) while others would say that it's hypocritical to still complain about the Astros cheating and then justify this because it was "natural" (again, no devices were involved--as far as we know). Villar seemed to figure it out and after giving up 3 HR's, Walker retired the next 13 batters. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1437407008475553794[/TWEET] https://sny.tv/articles/yankees-in-dugout-continue-to-insist-no-sign-stealing-against-mets

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 13 2021 08:11 AM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

I read Tracky's Astros book which was pretty good in spots, he definitely studied the issue hard, while being a reporter and relaying what others had reported about it. Don;t have time to look but shirley someone online has probably already analyzed the footage from the game. It was an odd inning. Generally would be "ok" I suppose if they were able to determine this by eyesight but doing this--and with their history of having done worse--they risk raising the ire of opponents, which Tracky also reported on well in his book.

nymr83 Sep 13 2021 08:45 AM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

It is not "cheating" because there is no technology involved and, presumably, only uniformed personnel involved (no club employee in centerfield bleachers with binoculars waving). It will get you a fastball in the ribs, though. Can Lindor and Baez give "thumb down" to Yankees fans? that would be fun.

Edgy MD Sep 13 2021 09:23 AM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

According to the article, though, it is explicitly illegal, and whether or not you or I think it should be, the managers have been told that umps are under explicit instructions to enforce it. Also from the article, Lindor's I'm-not-sayin'-I'm-just-sayin' position comes off as pretty weak sauce. The guy just had the game of his season, if not his career, under a big spotlight. He shouldn't have been talking about maybe-I-dunno-maybe-not-it-didn't-sit-well-with-me-but-I-could-be-wrong. I prefer the real story — that thanks to three ding-dongs from their shortstop, the Mets' position in the standings is a little bit stronger and the Yankees' is a little bit weaker.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 13 2021 09:40 AM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

Obviously it came out, and obviously the team believes something may have happened based on their actions, so lindor had to address it afterward. We already know he's not a communications specialist so the criticism is weak sause on weak sause

MFS62 Sep 13 2021 10:01 AM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

If he is tipping pitches, dugouts have been letting hitters know for a long time, within the rules or not, automated or not. What ticked me off more about last night's game was Gardiner giving the thumbs down sign to Baez and Lindor, rubbing their noses in the thumbs down incident. Of course, anything he does pisses me off, that little annoying twerp. Later

Ceetar Sep 13 2021 10:17 AM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

I'm on team "stealing signs should be legal" so I don't care about this at all, It's absurd to be that there is a single battery in baseball that's not taking steps to prevent sign stealing. But drama and intrigue is always fun too. The legality of it doesn't matter really, in the sense of two teams competing and trying to get the better of each other.

Marshmallowmilkshake Sep 13 2021 10:31 AM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

Seems like a difference wold be guys figuring out how a pitcher is tipping signs, then talking about it in the dugout for something for guys to look for as they are heading to the batters box. But guys whistling in code from the dugout to guys already in the box before each pitch is thrown seems different.

Edgy MD Sep 13 2021 11:06 AM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Obviously it came out, and obviously the team believes something may have happened based on their actions, so lindor had to address it afterward. We already know he's not a communications specialist so the criticism is weak sause on weak sause Well, shit, there goes my Posting Pulitzer.

kcmets Sep 13 2021 11:31 AM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

a) proactively make sure tipping pitches isn't happening with your battery. b) constantly be professionally innovative to ensure your signs can't be stolen. c) get caught using technology to gain a competitive edge, lifetime bans like gambling.

MFS62 Sep 13 2021 11:33 AM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

Edgy MD wrote: Well, shit, there goes my Posting Pulitzer. But you've still got that MTV Award. Haven't you? Later

Frayed Knot Sep 13 2021 02:29 PM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=77574 time=1631550710 user_id=119]... But guys whistling in code from the dugout to guys already in the box before each pitch is thrown seems different.

If anyone was listening to ARod he said essentially that.

In an answer to a question from Olney, he said not that sign stealing is cheating but that 'noises' from the dugout for the purposes of relaying info is considered dirty pool.



That doesn't mean the rules say as much or that the league considers it to be, but that players think it is and at least some of the Mets think the MFY bench crossed that line.





P.S. I thought Gardner giving the thumbs down sign in Lindor & Baez's direction was kinda funny.

Edgy MD Sep 13 2021 03:59 PM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

Frayed Knot wrote: That doesn't mean the rules say as much or that the league considers it to be, but that players think it is and at least some of the Mets think the MFY bench crossed that line. But again, according to Tracky's report, the rules and the league agree with the Mets players there. Mr. Speedo wrote: Boone's gripe was that then-MLB officials Joe Torre, Chris Young and Peter Woodfork had visited managers offices that spring to specifically emphasize that whistling to convey pitch tipping and sign stealing was against the rules and would be newly enforced. The argument escalated to the point where Yanks third base coach Phil Nevin screamed to Astros third baseman Alex Bregman, “Tell your f--king hitting coach I'm gonna kick his f--king ass!” This was not real-time electronic sign stealing, but illegal nonetheless, one of the final acts in Houston's three-year cycle of rule breaking to obtain signs. This context made the Mets' allegation against the Yankees on Sunday night particularly jarring.

Ceetar Sep 13 2021 04:49 PM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

MLB officials claiming something is against the rules doesn't actually make it so, especially when it's clear they're trying to stay out of the news with this stuff, not specifically stop sign stealing. Because they're fine with it, generally. Make make up your mind and either make it illegal or legal. Why do we neat nonsense "unwritten rule" gray areas? What if you don't whistle? What if you yodel? What if you just shout "FASTBALL"? What if you fake sneeze? are those okay then? That's a lot of water carrying for the Yankees grudge against the Astros though, despite it being pretty clear that the Yankees were "cheating" just as much.

Edgy MD Sep 13 2021 05:10 PM Re: Tell Me When The Whistle Blows (From The Yankees Dugout)

You're asking me a lot of things as if I am MLB. I am not.