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It's QO Season

bmfc1 Nov 03 2021 07:05 AM

Time to act, even if you're Acting in your role. I'm thinking that the Mets will "extend" QO's to Conforto and Syndergaard if only to get an extra draft pick should the offer be declined. Noah wants to stay and will likely accept. We're not sure about Conforto. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/Jacob_Resnick/status/1455882456565956616[/TWEET]

Ceetar Nov 03 2021 07:21 AM Re: It's QO Season

IS anyone acting in the role? It's just Sandy right? He probably is the one always having to empty the keurig container too.

kcmets Nov 03 2021 07:58 AM Re: It's QO Season

Confortoboom will be interesting. He certainly wasn't the poster child for a walk season and of course his agent is Scott Dickhead.

metsmarathon Nov 03 2021 08:20 AM Re: It's QO Season

so... what happens if they don't activate cano?

Ceetar Nov 03 2021 08:28 AM Re: It's QO Season

they are in violation of the rules of major league baseball. It's just roster record-keeping stuff. Jacob just couldn't find anything else to make his list important. He might as well have included "Activate Thomas Szapucki from the 60 day IL"

kcmets Nov 03 2021 09:00 AM Re: It's QO Season

Would be nice to have whoever will be in charge the next 4-5 years in place to decide what to do with headaches like Cano and his $40 million. Would be nice to know if the DH will be a thing next year too, I suppose.

Ceetar Nov 03 2021 09:10 AM Re: It's QO Season

I Mean, Cano is easy. he's there. you have all offseason, and it's silly to cut someone before you have to for any other reason anyway. But we don't even know like, if the season is going to start on time. All the rules could change, from DH, to years of control, to anything else.

kcmets Nov 03 2021 09:18 AM Re: It's QO Season

They could pay someone to spike his Kool-aid so he fails again and be done with him bing bang boom. I'm sure Cohen has a fixer or two.

G-Fafif Nov 06 2021 07:17 PM Re: It's QO Season

QOs have been extended to Conforto and Syndergaard.

Willets Point Nov 07 2021 08:47 AM Re: It's QO Season

It appears that in the history of QO's, compensatory picks for the Mets have turned into Marcus Stroman and Francisco Lindor/Carlos Carrasco.

seawolf17 Nov 07 2021 11:14 AM Re: It's QO Season

I'd be stunned if Thor doesn't take the QO. Nobody's paying him $18M next year off two straight lost seasons. Conforto has some decisions to make, because someone will give him a big multi-year deal if the Mets don't.

Fman99 Nov 07 2021 06:16 PM Re: It's QO Season

Thor's QO reaction on social media gave me a chuckle. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/Noahsyndergaard/status/1457209322216198151[/TWEET]

Edgy MD Nov 07 2021 07:24 PM Re: It's QO Season

=seawolf17 post_id=80746 time=1636308871 user_id=91] I'd be stunned if Thor doesn't take the QO. Nobody's paying him $18M next year off two straight lost seasons.

It's possible the Mets and Syndergaard try to get squared away for two or three years, I think.

seawolf17 Nov 08 2021 06:03 AM Re: It's QO Season

Edgy MD wrote: =seawolf17 post_id=80746 time=1636308871 user_id=91] I'd be stunned if Thor doesn't take the QO. Nobody's paying him $18M next year off two straight lost seasons. It's possible the Mets and Syndergaard try to get squared away for two or three years, I think.

I very much agree that would be best for all parties, but I guess the point remains that he's definitely, unquestionably, here next season.

G-Fafif Nov 08 2021 05:02 PM Re: It's QO Season

Passan reports Conforto says no to QO.

kcmets Nov 08 2021 05:14 PM Re: It's QO Season

Good luck to him, and I hope Boras painfully stubs both toes tonight.

Frayed Knot Nov 08 2021 05:33 PM Re: It's QO Season

=G-Fafif post_id=80802 time=1636416151 user_id=55] Passan reports Conforto says no to QO.

Not surprising, even coming off the bad season.

Unlike Thor he's healthy and wants to see what the market will bring.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 08 2021 06:18 PM Re: It's QO Season

=G-Fafif post_id=80802 time=1636416151 user_id=55] Passan reports Conforto says no to QO.

Hit the bricks,, Scooter.



You tantalizing inconsistent piece of crap.

ashie62 Nov 08 2021 07:06 PM Re: It's QO Season

Conforto has got some balls to decline 18 million dollars after the craptastic year he had, Can we get a manager? New Yanqis third base coach is....Luis Rojas. He moved up in the food chain.

Edgy MD Nov 08 2021 07:41 PM Re: It's QO Season

No, Rojas moved down. Strange move by the Scoots. I guess he goes to Coloraddy.

bmfc1 Nov 08 2021 07:45 PM Re: It's QO Season

I've read guesses that Conforto goes to Seattle, where he is from, or Philadelphia, because of new Hitting Coach Kevin Long.

Lefty Specialist Nov 09 2021 06:11 AM Re: It's QO Season

Conforto can leave, but I don't want him in the division. You know how that'll go. Badly.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 09 2021 08:15 AM Re: It's QO Season

=kcmets post_id=80804 time=1636416868 user_id=53] Good luck to him, and I hope Boras painfully stubs both toes tonight.

I think Boras gets a slightly bad rap. People say Boras makes his players go after the highest dollar no matter what. But I think players hire Boras because they want him to go out and get them the highest dollar no matter what. He works for the players.

kcmets Nov 09 2021 08:25 AM Re: It's QO Season

Yay Boras, go get 'em boy! *rolleyes*

kcmets Nov 09 2021 08:36 AM Re: It's QO Season

And I agree that a) if he leaves, I'm fine with it, b) Seattle is perfect and c) Washington or Phillies would probably haunt us for a few years, so NO...

Frayed Knot Nov 09 2021 09:15 AM Re: It's QO Season

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=80831 time=1636470916 user_id=119] =kcmets post_id=80804 time=1636416868 user_id=53] Good luck to him, and I hope Boras painfully stubs both toes tonight.

I think Boras gets a slightly bad rap. People say Boras makes his players go after the highest dollar no matter what. But I think players hire Boras because they want him to go out and get them the highest dollar no matter what. He works for the players.


And when Boras-repped players want to stay (Strasburg) they stay. He can't force them to chase the highest bid anymore than he can force teams to play 'Can You Top This' with each other.

kcmets Nov 09 2021 09:23 AM Re: It's QO Season

I change my slant to breaking two pinky toes instead of big-toe stubbing. Scott Boras and his history with the Mets deserves it's own thread. Maybe.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 09 2021 09:40 AM Re: It's QO Season

Yay Boras, go get 'em boy! *rolleyes* I'm not saying, "Yey, Boras." Just think you're throwing shade at the wrong party.

kcmets Nov 09 2021 10:00 AM Re: It's QO Season

Not sure why you're singling me out, but whatever. And 'wrong party' is pretty amusing as well.

seawolf17 Nov 09 2021 10:19 AM Re: It's QO Season

"Michael Conforto, Phillie" gives me the shakes. Dear goodness, no.

Gwreck Nov 09 2021 10:44 AM Re: It's QO Season

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=80831 time=1636470916 user_id=119]I think Boras gets a slightly bad rap. People say Boras makes his players go after the highest dollar no matter what. But I think players hire Boras because they want him to go out and get them the highest dollar no matter what. He works for the players.

Agreed. Boras is an easy boogeyman rather than pointing out that he's just a function of players trying to make as much money as possible. (And I say good for the players!)



Uncle Steve can easily afford to pay Conforto — or any other outfielder — what they're worth.

smg58 Nov 09 2021 10:50 AM Re: It's QO Season

If Conforto performs a lot more consistently for somebody else than he did for us, the problem is not with him, the team who signs him, or his agent. Of course Cohen can pay Conforto if he wants, but Cohen can also afford a quality righthanded bat with better defense. My sentimental attachments end when I think we can do better.

kcmets Nov 09 2021 10:58 AM Re: It's QO Season

Not boogeyman-ing him, and I get he does his job. I won't utter his name here again.

Gwreck Nov 09 2021 01:36 PM Re: It's QO Season

I have no problem also recognizing that Boras acts like an asshole.

MFS62 Nov 09 2021 01:58 PM Re: It's QO Season

=smg58 post_id=80844 time=1636480227 user_id=62] Of course Cohen can pay Conforto if he wants, but Cohen can also afford a quality righthanded bat with better defense. My sentimental attachments end when I think we can do better.

We don't need no steenking sentimental attachments.

We need better ballplayers.



Later

Edgy MD Nov 09 2021 03:48 PM Re: It's QO Season

Oh, I need sentimental attachments. I tend to think they smell nice.

ashie62 Nov 09 2021 05:09 PM Re: It's QO Season

SCOTT BORAS, so there, Conforto is an idiot turning down 18 million after the barf worthy year he had. I hope he enjoys it in KC. I'm not sure uncle Steve wants to pay professional hitters that don't hit. In fairness the hamstring injury torpedoed Mikey and McNeil.

smg58 Nov 11 2021 08:13 AM Re: It's QO Season

I'd have taken the offer too if I were Conforto. I don't think he'll get that AAV on the market, and a better year would get him significantly more money next year (especially since it won't be tied to a draft pick). Stroman will make out nicely (hopefully with us) after doing that. I realize there is always a risk of an injury, but I wouldn't want what happened to Stephen Drew to happen to Conforto either.

bmfc1 Nov 16 2021 07:53 AM Re: It's QO Season

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1460621963353899012[/TWEET] Excuse me, Noah. You practically begged for that QO. The Mets gave you courtesy innings (two of them) because you asked. I hope that this report is false.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 16 2021 08:04 AM Re: It's QO Season

That's weird from the Angels standpoint? A one-year deal has gotta be > $18.4M and it surrenders their top draft pick. Wonder if Sandy starts entertaining a somewhat risky extension offer...

bmfc1 Nov 16 2021 08:17 AM Re: It's QO Season

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1460627520043241483[/TWEET] FU NS.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 16 2021 08:18 AM Re: It's QO Season

WTF

MFS62 Nov 16 2021 08:52 AM Re: It's QO Season

Let's hope that draft pick turns into something better than a mediocre middle infielder. At least they didn't also lose LeRoy Stanton, Francisco Estrada and Don Rose. Later

The Hot Corner Nov 17 2021 08:27 PM Re: It's QO Season

For all the "I love New York" talk, Syndergaard dumped the Mets pretty quickly. After being paid for 2 years (without his playing), Noah $how$ where his loyaltie$ lie.

vtmet7 Nov 17 2021 08:40 PM Re: It's QO Season

The Hot Corner wrote: For all the "I love New York" talk, Syndergaard dumped the Mets pretty quickly. After being paid for 2 years (without his playing), Noah $how$ where his loyaltie$ lie. I gotta wonder if firing the players liked manager, most of the coaches and dragging their feet on the front office had any influence on his choice.

Ceetar Nov 17 2021 08:48 PM Re: It's QO Season

The Hot Corner wrote: For all the "I love New York" talk, Syndergaard dumped the Mets pretty quickly. After being paid for 2 years (without his playing), Noah $how$ where his loyaltie$ lie. when one said has no front office, coaching staff, etc, and another flys out, sits you down, discusses the plan in detail, collaboratively, of how you're going to excel, and offers you more money.. i mean, yeah?

metsmarathon Nov 18 2021 05:34 AM Re: It's QO Season

i don't think for a second that the mets were going to go over the QO. that said, i do think a mets gm being in place could have been in a position to offer a low first year, with incentives, and some interesting options. but we wouldn't have matched $21M guaranteed.

bmfc1 Nov 23 2021 07:51 AM Re: It's QO Season

The decision not to sign Kumar Rocker might have been right and the Mets did get a 2d 1st round pick but the downside is that the 2d pick is #14 and if the Mets were to sign a FA who rejected a QO, such as Robbie Ray, they would forfeit pick #14 (the 1st pick is #11). No other team has a 2d pick that high. If the Mets signed Rocker, and I'm not saying that they should have, the 2d pick would be around #35 so losing that pick would be seen as less of a drawback. Here, it's a deterrent to signing a "restricted" FA, such as Ray, Marcus Semien, or Nick Castellanos. From Ken Rosenthal, today in The Athletic: [BLOCKQUOTE][T]hey are unlikely to add a free agent who rejected a qualifying offer from another club because of the unique circumstances following their failure to sign Kumar Rocker, the 10th selection in this year's amateur draft. Such a move would cost the Mets their second-highest pick, as well as $500,000 from their international bonus pool. And with the Mets receiving the 11th choice as compensation for losing Rocker, their second-highest pick will be their first rounder, and a fairly high one at that – the 14th selection. Ten free agents who rejected qualifying offers remain available, including Conforto. Of the others, Semien, left-hander Robbie Ray and outfielder Nick Castellanos would hold greater appeal to the Mets if the acquisition cost did not include the No. 14 pick. [/BLOCKQUOTE] https://theathletic.com/2973703/2021/11/23/rosenthal-best-bet-for-freddie-freeman-why-rangers-are-so-aggressive-how-high-for-marcus-semien-more-notes/

Ceetar Nov 23 2021 08:05 AM Re: It's QO Season

Is Rosenthal editorializing or does he have a source for that? The idea fits in the Mets unspoken rebuild, but that doesn't make it less infuriating all around.

duan Nov 23 2021 08:22 AM Re: It's QO Season

Is Rosenthal editorializing or does he have a source for that? The idea fits in the Mets unspoken rebuild, but that doesn't make it less infuriating all around. He is editorialising logically. They made such a big deal about the value of the Kumar Rocker pick - [url]https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1421962862377963521, that they can't then go and 'throw one of them away'. Of course you could point that they gave the result of one away for 2 months of Javy Baez and so saying you won't sign Marcus Semien for (say) 5 years for something that was only worth 2 months of Javy Baez points to the overall bonkers ness of the whole thing at the moment.

Ceetar Nov 23 2021 08:29 AM Re: It's QO Season

if we're gonna purely "it's all just value!" which of course, is nonsense, and there is "value" outside of the owner's balance sheet, it just means the cost for someone like Semien is simply a little larger, and if you think the cost is still worth it, it would still be on-plan, but this always misses the idea that overpaying (it's not overpaying, all players are underpaid) a little for a piece that makes a huge difference on your team is incalculable. The mountain of revenue you gain from getting over the hump and into the playoffs is so enormous that it's almost impossible to seriously say increasing your playoffs odds by a few percentage points isn't worth it.

duan Nov 23 2021 01:30 PM Re: It's QO Season

I think we're on the same side here. I'm not saying they're right. I'm explaining that I think Ken Rosenthal has worked his way through to a logical conclusion that the mets actions show that they're not going to sign someone with a QO attached lightly. You can definitely argue that there's a reason for that, but you can also argue that if the prize is good enough they shouldn't be worried about it. However, the big thing here is that to 'explain' their other actions they have boxed themselves into a corner where to do the latter they'll be looking obviously silly and therefore that will potentially prevent them from making a deal that they would otherwise make if they weren't worried about perception.

Ceetar Nov 23 2021 02:06 PM Re: It's QO Season

yeah, no we're agreeing. I'm just intensely dissatisfied with how the Mets have been handling things lately and the decisions they've made and I find their reasoning, even if individual decision like Marte of Castellanos because of the QO make their own kind of sense, suspect overall. Making decisions because it makes your previous bad decisions look more like a plan is not a good look.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 23 2021 02:36 PM Re: It's QO Season

There are a lot of talented players not attached to a QO, though. I wouldn't punt a #14 pick (and $500K international pool dough) on Castellanos when you can go for Bryant instead. Same for Semien when Baez is available. I'd absolutely try to re-stock the farm and the major league level at the same time. Like a good team would.

Lefty Specialist Nov 25 2021 06:33 AM Re: It's QO Season

There are three kinds of currency in baseball- Money, players and prospects. The Mets need to get better, that much is obvious. Money's not a problem with Uncle Steve. There are players you can get without giving up draft picks (who become prospects) and there are players who'll cost you those potential prospects. There's enough of them out there right now that you can significantly improve your team without disturbing the future potential. Every draft pick is a crap shoot, but having both the 11 and 14 pick has to make you feel pretty good about stocking up your minor league system. And while money isn't necessarily that answer every time, like Steven Matz, it'll serve you more often than it won't. Long way around to say I'd rather get the guys that won't cost picks. You can upgrade the talent at the major league level as well as the minor league level. This is the path I'd like to see the Mets try.

Edgy MD Nov 25 2021 07:21 AM Re: It's QO Season

Alderson says there re two types of currency, grouping players and prospects together. I think there's a lot more.