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Memories of Noah Syndergaard

seawolf17 Nov 16 2021 08:23 AM

I am stunned. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1460626257373286402[/TWEET]

Bob Alpacadaca Nov 16 2021 08:24 AM Moving on from Thor

Assuming the reports are true and Syndergaard is an Angel, what's our next step? That sure doe free up money for Stroman or another pitcher. Or do we go for a trade?

bmfc1 Nov 16 2021 08:26 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 16 2021 08:39 AM

Mets get an extra draft pick between the 2d and 3d rounds. [BLOCKQUOTE]“It would be a tough pill to swallow not wearing the Mets jersey next year,” Syndergaard said in early October.[/BLOCKQUOTE] FU and good riddance. The Mets get an extra pick, don't have the risk associated w/him rehabbing on their time, and have (even) more $ for a healthy pitcher.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 16 2021 08:34 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

That's kinda shitty news

Bob Alpacadaca Nov 16 2021 08:38 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

Did the Mets even get a chance to make a counter offer? Or, is this something that happens when you don't have a GM in place?

ashie62 Nov 16 2021 08:44 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

FU Noah. Mr. stay a Met my azz.

kcmets Nov 16 2021 08:46 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

Noah Syndergaard agrees to deal with Angels: report -- SNY

A Boy Named Seo Nov 16 2021 08:49 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Yikes. deGrom, Carrasco, Walker, Megill, Peterson... Seems the Mets don't want to surrender draft picks, so I'd bet against pursuits of Robbie Ray and Justin Verlander. I'd definitely try to re-sign Stro first. If the Mets don't wanna give up chips to trade for Luis Castillo, fuck it, go for Max. Less sexy backup: Kevin Gausman. I already miss Noah.

ashie62 Nov 16 2021 08:52 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

I am keeping my expectations in check. Gausman is a fine pick.

MFS62 Nov 16 2021 08:54 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: Assuming the reports are true and Syndergaard is an Angel, what's our next step? That sure doe free up money for Stroman or another pitcher. Or do we go for a trade? Why not more than one move? This staff needs reliable, healthy starters. Later

Ceetar Nov 16 2021 09:03 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

That draft pick is worth like 5X value!

Ceetar Nov 16 2021 09:04 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

There's probably some dirt behind the scenes here, but this is a huge blow to a team that already needed good pitching.

Lefty Specialist Nov 16 2021 09:07 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Many moves are needed. And all without a GM. Ya know, for less than a $3 million difference, Thor could have stayed and built his value here. This kind of reinforces that the Mets are not a destination people want to go to. It also ups the ante for spending this offseason.

smg58 Nov 16 2021 09:45 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

He was one of many starting pitchers on the market, most of whom gave their team more than two innings last year. We could get a high pick plus an at least comparable pitcher out of this. I certainly wouldn't have beaten the Angels' offer.

smg58 Nov 16 2021 09:47 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Stroman is a must, plus one more. Preferably somebody with a track record of health who is capable of 200 innings, because I still believe that is valuable.

Edgy MD Nov 16 2021 09:57 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: Did the Mets even get a chance to make a counter offer? Or, is this something that happens when you don't have a GM in place? I would guess that President Sandy had (or assumed) the authority to deal if that was what he wanted. I would guess, but I don't know. Syndergaard in Anaheim is kind of funny, as (a) the name evokes Norse mythology* giving him ample opportunity to advance his dumb Thor brand, and (b) it's a good setup for the film career he's angling for. * In Michael Chabon's Summerland, one of the characters is an MLB player — a Cuban defector who starred for the Mets but signed a big contract to jump to the Angels, and is having a mid-life crisis, feeling like a soul-less fraud living in a gated community and DH-ing for a living. His home turns out to be the end of a branch of the great tree of existence that is Yggdrasil.

Fman99 Nov 16 2021 09:59 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Boy we need Stroman now more than ever.

Edgy MD Nov 16 2021 10:01 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Lefty Specialist wrote: Many moves are needed. And all without a GM. Ya know, for less than a $3 million difference, Thor could have stayed and built his value here. This kind of reinforces that the Mets are not a destination people want to go to. It also ups the ante for spending this offseason. I wouln't make much of that. Re-signing with the Mets wouldn't have made them a destination so much as a continuation at the same stop. Familiarity equals contempt, but it's more like $3 million = $3 million. The guy may never sign another contract and I'm sure he's been told that. Gotta gets that money while the money is good.

Frayed Knot Nov 16 2021 10:22 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

=MFS62 post_id=81145 time=1637078055 user_id=60] This staff needs reliable, healthy starters.

And maybe Thor wasn't that guy.

In seven seasons (really 6-2/3since his May '15 call up) we got four full/full-ish years out of him, and then three years of 7, 0, and 2 (really zero) starts.

Fman99 Nov 16 2021 10:26 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

I feel like a jilted ex-girlfriend. God dammit.

Centerfield Nov 16 2021 10:51 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

A one year deal at $21M is a safer bet than the multi year contract they have to give to his replacement.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 16 2021 10:53 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

We almost contended without him twice already. Hopefully we spend that $$ on something good. Was thinking that Stroman was the important guy to re-sign

duan Nov 16 2021 11:00 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

I'm down but jeez - 21.5 million is a lot for them to pay. Only thing here that's interesting is that it's pending a physical. They've got a day or two to do that, and if they don't like the results Noah can still take the QO - then you feel dumb for making the QO. You do have to think the whole not having a GM thing kinda helped this happen.

metsmarathon Nov 16 2021 11:03 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

i think we could do worse than gausman. granted, gausman can do worse than gausman. but it feels like he's maybe finally putting it all together. i wouldn't go super-crazy on him, but i would definitely like to bring him in. or, y'know, scherzer would be fine too. but yeah, we gotta make sure to get stroman back at a minimum. I'm very cautious about expecting anything out of degrom right now. i'd need to be convinced otherwise, and think the mets should build their rotation as if he's not there. and if he's healthy and available and degrominant, then we just move peterson/megill to the lower levels of the depth chart.

metsmarathon Nov 16 2021 11:04 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

well... i think i might have a new angels fan in the household. damnit. i was really hoping we'd be able to keep him. sentimentally, of course.

metsmarathon Nov 16 2021 11:12 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

it might go totally against "get someone healthy" but would you consider kershaw? he doesn't have the QO attachment that gausman has. i also just read that we would lose the 14th pick which, well, is a significant factor.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 16 2021 11:17 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

Gausman doesn't have the QO either. I think of available starters, only Ray and Verlander (and Eduardo Rodriguez who already signed with DET) had those attached.

metsmarathon Nov 16 2021 11:31 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

ooh, did not know that about gausman. go get him! fangraphs fwiw has rated the top 50 free agents and has pitchers in the following spots: 4. scherzer 7. Ray (QO) 8. Stroman [CROSSOUT]13. rosario (QO)[/CROSSOUT] 14. gausman [CROSSOUT]15. Syndergaard (QO)[/CROSSOUT] 17. Rodon 18. kershaw 19. verlander (QO) 31. matz 32. gray 35. Kim 36. DeSclafani 37. kluber 38. cobb 40. grienke 47. pineda 50. kikuchi

Lefty Specialist Nov 16 2021 11:41 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

I'm pessimistic about deGrom, which is why this one hurts. I'm tired of the "I'm completely fine, I just can't pitch" routine.

Centerfield Nov 16 2021 12:12 PM Re: Moving on from Thor

Every pitcher that can reasonably be expected to be as good as Syndergaard will cost more than what it took to sign Syndergaard.

whippoorwill Nov 16 2021 12:34 PM Re: Moving on from Thor

Not sorry. I think he's washed up And he's not good looking enough for movies

MFS62 Nov 16 2021 01:03 PM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

Let's hope that draft pick turns into something better than a mediocre middle infielder. At least they didn't also lose LeRoy Stanton, Francisco Estrada and Don Rose this time. Later

A Boy Named Seo Nov 16 2021 01:05 PM Re: Moving on from Thor

=metsmarathon post_id=81164 time=1637085784 user_id=83] i think we could do worse than gausman. granted, gausman can do worse than gausman. but it feels like he's maybe finally putting it all together. i wouldn't go super-crazy on him, but i would definitely like to bring him in. or, y'know, scherzer would be fine too. but yeah, we gotta make sure to get stroman back at a minimum. I'm very cautious about expecting anything out of degrom right now. i'd need to be convinced otherwise, and think the mets should build their rotation as if he's not there. and if he's healthy and available and degrominant, then we just move peterson/megill to the lower levels of the depth chart.

metsmarathon for POBO

metsmarathon Nov 16 2021 01:13 PM Re: Moving on from Thor

shit i'll do it. fair warning - i was WAY wrong about trevor bauer not being a completely terrible person. though i only thought maybe he was douchey and maladjusted in a more normal fashion, and i was willing to be somewhat contrarian on the matter. i'd like to think i would've picked up on a few red flags if i had been paying closer attention. but then, the dodgers signed him, and they're not quite a fuckup organization.

Frayed Knot Nov 16 2021 01:30 PM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

=MFS62 post_id=81178 time=1637093025 user_id=60] Let's hope that draft pick turns into something better than a mediocre middle infielder.

If the picked-up pick is one between the 2nd & 3rd round odds are against him becoming an impact player.

Edgy MD Nov 16 2021 01:41 PM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

If research on first-rounders has taught me anything, it's that the odds of anybody becoming an impact player/All Star are against you. You're not paying for wins, but for the likelihood of wins. But that's the nature of speculation. A thing doesn't have to be guaranteed to produce to have value. It only has to be a little bit more likely to produce over the long haul than another thing. But, you know, Syndergaard hasn't been a big producer the last few years.

Edgy MD Nov 16 2021 02:13 PM Re: Moving on from Thor

I wonder if Syndergaard and Bauer will share an apartment.

nymr83 Nov 16 2021 02:38 PM Re: Moving on from Thor

I love THOR, but objectively he has spent the past two years rehabbing and we don't know what he'll be. I'll take the draft pick and then hope Steve Cohen's money can two of Stroman and Scherzer/Gray/Rodon/Gausman to come here. The Mets were always going to be the worst match for Syndergaard if he didn't take the QO because the moment he rejected it the Mets would have to be thinking that THEY were the ones giving up a second rounder if they signed him.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 16 2021 03:06 PM Re: Moving on from Thor

=nymr83 post_id=81188 time=1637098736 user_id=54] I love THOR, but objectively he has spent the past two years rehabbing and we don't know what he'll be. I'll take the draft pick and then hope Steve Cohen's money can two of Stroman and Scherzer/Gray/Rodon/Gausman to come here. The Mets were always going to be the worst match for Syndergaard if he didn't take the QO because the moment he rejected it the Mets would have to be thinking that THEY were the ones giving up a second rounder if they signed him.

How would the Mets have lost a 2d round pick by signing Syndergaard? And who' would've

gotten that pick?

whippoorwill Nov 16 2021 03:39 PM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

=MFS62 post_id=81178 time=1637093025 user_id=60] Let's hope that draft pick turns into something better than a mediocre middle infielder. Later

Yes please!

Lefty Specialist Nov 16 2021 04:36 PM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

Mr Met reacts to the loss of his sparring partner: https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/701/articles/2017/06/mrmet-middle-finger-1497976636.jpg?crop=1xw:0.786xh;center,top&resize=980:*>

G-Fafif Nov 16 2021 08:14 PM

[tweet]https://twitter.com/byrobertmurray/status/1460801428667129864[/tweet] For starters, his electric inning of relief behind deGrom in the deciding game of the 2015 NLDS, the victory that catapulted that club from nice story to legitimate World Series contender. That 1-0, 10-strikeout shutout in which he homered for his only run was as WHOA as it got. Riding as Tonto to Yo's Lone Ranger in Spring Training was something else.

G-Fafif Nov 16 2021 08:55 PM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

It's real. [tweet]https://twitter.com/angels/status/1460811270215536644[/tweet]

Willets Point Nov 16 2021 10:11 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

September 14, 2018, Fenway Park. The Red Sox were on their way to 108 wins and a World Series championship. The Mets were probably already eliminated from postseason contention. But on this night, in a ballpark full of loud traveling fans from the 7 Line Army, the game was all Mets. Noah Syndergaard pitched 7 innings, allowing 3 hits and 0 runs with 6 strikeouts. Meanwhile, the Mets offense uncharacteristically went off and scored 8 runs. I cheered like an asshole for every Mets hit and every Syndergaard strikeout while my Red Sox-loving kids jammed their elbows in my ribs to try to get me to stop embarrassing them.

Edgy MD Nov 16 2021 10:20 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Looking for a LIKE button to click on that post.

Frayed Knot Nov 17 2021 04:08 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

The Angels have agreed to terms on a one-year deal with RHP Noah Syndergaard. So this means we can sign him next year after his post-surgical transitional season year where he pitches just 130 innings, right??

Fman99 Nov 17 2021 04:57 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

Frayed Knot wrote: The Angels have agreed to terms on a one-year deal with RHP Noah Syndergaard. So this means we can sign him next year after his post-surgical transitional season year where he pitches just 130 innings, right?? Wait is he getting titties? I'm lost.

bmfc1 Nov 17 2021 04:58 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 17 2021 06:05 AM

Great post, WP. My memory is more contemporaneous: his public cry for a QO while saying that "it would be a tough pill to swallow not wearing a Mets jersey next year" and then signing elsewhere for more money without giving the Mets a chance to match or top the new offer. F him.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 17 2021 05:51 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Gotta say, first thing I remember is a Tuesday Night Mets game where Syndy gave up hard-hit single and doubles all over the field to the first four guys up in the first inning (Albies, Acuna, Freeman, etc) and we lost. I recall his lunch getting thrown away by Wright. His acquisition was a really good one and watching him on the rise has been fun. I was thinking though that he might turn into a closer at some point.

bmfc1 Nov 17 2021 06:24 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

From Ken Rosenthal in The Athletic: [BLOCKQUOTE]The industry reaction to the Angels agreeing with free-agent right-hander Noah Syndergaard on a one-year, $21 million contract was perhaps best summarized by one rival executive. “F—— ludicrous,” the executive said. The exec reasoned that Syndergaard, after throwing just two innings the past two seasons coming off Tommy John surgery, probably will be good for only about 125 innings next season. So, the Angels are paying a premium rate for a pitcher who will work only about 70 percent of a 180-inning workload, not that many starters even reach that total anymore (only 18 did in 2021).[/BLOCKQUOTE] https://theathletic.com/2960213/2021/11/16/rosenthal-why-the-angels-signed-noah-syndergaard-to-a-big-one-year-deal/

whippoorwill Nov 17 2021 06:38 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Nice memories Please what is QO?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2021 06:55 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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Ceetar Nov 17 2021 07:00 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

"fucking ludicrous" is part of the CBA negotiation. (Also Eudoxie Mbouguiengue) It's such a stupid statement that I can't believe (well I can, it's Ken Rosenthal) anyone is actually trying to spin it as universal industry reaction. Oh, 2.5 million above the QO rate is crazy? No, it's basically the same damn amount (not to Noah). Obviously a guy who's job it is to pay players as little as possible and preserve vast riches for owners is going to balk at a guy "unofficially" raising the QO rate. But hey, Syndergaard put up 15 rWAR for the Mets and only got paid $30 million. that's a fucking steal. And yes, he's a pitcher and got Tommy John. That's common. You paid him $20 million to rehab? okay, but then you only spend $10 million for 15 rWAR which is outrageous.

Edgy MD Nov 17 2021 07:27 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

I'm trying to recall the NOAH'S BARK storyline. A little help?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2021 07:35 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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bmfc1 Nov 17 2021 07:38 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

=whippoorwill post_id=81216 time=1637156317 user_id=79] Please what is QO?

The Mets made a Qualifying Offer to Syndergaard and Conforto. Noah begged for it and then used it against the Mets to get a better deal. The Mets get a compensatory pick now after he rejected this QO.

metsmarathon Nov 17 2021 07:49 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

=metsmarathon post_id=81165 time=1637085891 user_id=83] well... i think i might have a new angels fan in the household. damnit. i was really hoping we'd be able to keep him. sentimentally, of course.

i've already been told that i need to get a certain somebody an angels jersey LOL

Edgy MD Nov 17 2021 07:57 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Thanks for refreshing my memory on Syndergaard and Wilson Ramos. I had been misreading, thinking that "Ramos" was a batter that Syndergaard didn't want to pitch to. Not an encouraging chapter.

bmfc1 Nov 17 2021 07:58 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

From Keith Law in The Athletic: [BLOCKQUOTE]I just don't understand the logic of giving Syndergaard a one-year deal, and surrendering a draft pick for it, when he is far more likely to be worth the investment in 2023 than in 2022, even if we're only talking about his potential workload. Maybe Syndergaard will be able to handle 30 starts and 170 innings in 2022, but that seems rather optimistic when he hasn't made a proper start at any level of baseball in two years and his last healthy season was also his least effective one. ... The Mets, meanwhile, might have mixed feelings about seeing Syndergaard reject their qualifying offer after they'd invested time and money in rehabbing him from the surgery, but they do get another draft pick as compensation for his departure. Add that to the extra pick they'll get for not signing Kumar Rocker in the 2021 draft, and they could end up with one of the largest bonus pools of any team this winter — and that's before we know if Michael Conforto will reject the qualifying offer or return. (I think he should accept it, go have a typical Conforto year for the Mets, then go get a five- or six-year deal next winter.) The Mets should look for a back-end starter to replace the innings they might have gotten from Thor, but this isn't the worst outcome for the team, either.[/BLOCKQUOTE] https://theathletic.com/2960809/2021/11/16/law-with-a-one-year-contract-noah-syndergaard-and-the-angels-arent-on-the-same-page/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

metsmarathon Nov 17 2021 08:02 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

the qualifying offer is approx. an $18M one-year deal that teams can offer to their prospective free agents - at least those who were with the team for the entire year and had not accepted it previously. if the player accepts the offer, they're signed for a year at ~ $18M, after which they would be eligible to become a free agent once more. if they decline, and sign elsewhere, the team would get a compensation pick in the draft (typically 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round depending on... reasons??) to make up for having lost a player that was good enough to offer at least $18M to for one year. for the record, i'm totally cool with noah begging for the QO, not taking it, and going elsewhere. because if we didn't offer it, we would've gotten nothing for losing him. he effectively did us a solid, in exchange for going elsewhere to get paid way more than he should have.

MFS62 Nov 17 2021 08:04 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

=whippoorwill post_id=81216 time=1637156317 user_id=79] Please what is QO?

It means qualifying offer.

A qualifying offer in baseball is a one year offer, worth the average of the top 125 salaries, to impending free agents. In order to be eligible for the qualifying offer, players must (1) have never received a QO before, and (2) have spent the entire season on that team's roster

(MLB.com).

If another team signs the player, his old team receives a compensatory draft pick.



Later

TransMonk Nov 17 2021 08:15 AM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

Keith Law in The Athletic wrote: ...Add that to the extra pick they'll get for not signing Kumar Rocker in the 2021 draft, and they could end up with one of the largest bonus pools of any team this winter... https://media3.giphy.com/media/KDVswimTNahWzcd7sV/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952f8068f200d031c4b57ea57f7ce78dac9e3f58934&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g> $21M is too much for one year of Noah in 2022. Heck, the QO was too much for my liking. Good luck to Thor, but that money can be better spent.

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 17 2021 08:16 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

I was at his aborted St. Lucie start this year. Was able to see both Jake and Syndergaard making rehab starts during the same Florida visit -- which also included the 12-inning Replacemets win over the Marlins.

metsmarathon Nov 17 2021 08:40 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

they would lose the pick by not getting the pick that someone else would have given up for signing him. so, like, now, the mets have no syndergaard but they do have a 2nd round pick. if he accepted, they would have him, for a year, but no 2nd round pick for long term investment. him accepting the mets' QO would mean that the angels would keep their pick, instead of giving it to us. if we could have had our cake, we wouldn't get to eat it.

ashie62 Nov 17 2021 09:22 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Sore armed pitchers are a dime a dozen. Noah is replaceable. I can look at him on someone else' IR. He went to a bottom dwelling team that sucks every year despite having two of the best talents in the game so he can live with that. Yes on Stroman, that's easy.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 17 2021 09:30 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Noah politely requesting Alcides Escobar to not get comfortable in the box in the World Series was unforgettable.

kcmets Nov 17 2021 09:36 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

My memory is more contemporaneous: his public cry for a QO while saying that "it would be a tough pill to swallow not wearing a Mets jersey next year" and then signing elsewhere for more money without giving the Mets a chance to match or top the new offer. F him. Kinda where I'm at, but I'll stop short at 'F him' just yet. More on the story may come out of the weeds down the road.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 09:45 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

=metsmarathon post_id=81233 time=1637163614 user_id=83] they would lose the pick by not getting the pick that someone else would have given up for signing him. so, like, now, the mets have no syndergaard but they do have a 2nd round pick. if he accepted, they would have him, for a year, but no 2nd round pick for long term investment. him accepting the mets' QO would mean that the angels would keep their pick, instead of giving it to us. if we could have had our cake, we wouldn't get to eat it.

I'm not following this. If the Mets dont get that 2d round compensatory pick, it's because they signed Syndergaard. You can't reasonably expect the Mets to get both Syndergaard and the extra pick.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 17 2021 09:47 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Getting kicked out of the game 1st pitch in the ass in the jackpot game

bmfc1 Nov 17 2021 10:02 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

The Mets gained a pick that wouldn't have existed if Noah stayed with the Mets.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 10:02 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

My memory is more contemporaneous: his public cry for a QO while saying that "it would be a tough pill to swallow not wearing a Mets jersey next year" and then signing elsewhere for more money without giving the Mets a chance to match or top the new offer. F him. Kinda where I'm at, but I'll stop short at 'F him' just yet. More on the story may come out of the weeds down the road. What's with the f him and more to this story? If it turns out that he influenced the Mets into QO'ing him, he didnt hurt the Mets by doing so. Me personally, I'm gonna guess that Syndergaard wanted out of the Mets organization. He'd been griping about this and that for years, expressing his unhappiness over many issues. Maybe he sees that many of those problem issues still exist even though the Wilpons are gone. Makes sense to me Lotsa things dont seem right with the Mets. The previous owners were so inept that the problems are likely deep-rooted and aren't going away overnight.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 10:06 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

=bmfc1 post_id=81244 time=1637168526 user_id=73] The Mets gained a pick that wouldn't have existed if Noah stayed with the Mets.

Can you explain this? I'm really confused here. What am I missing?

Ceetar Nov 17 2021 10:08 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

=ashie62 post_id=81235 time=1637166175 user_id=90] Sore armed pitchers are a dime a dozen. Noah is replaceable. I can look at him on someone else' IR. He went to a bottom dwelling team that sucks every year despite having two of the best talents in the game so he can live with that. Yes on Stroman, that's easy.

he doesn't have a sore arm. he had tommy john, and it was repaired. He passed a physical. Yes, he had a setback in recovery, but literally hundreds of active pitchers have had this surgery, and almost none as good as Syndergaard.



I know it's a meme now, but the Angels finishing poorly in previous years is NOT a reason not to love a team with Thor, Trout and Ohtani. Hell, if they sign Stroman I might just pony up and become an Angels fan.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2021 10:09 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

The Mets have five draft picks. If Syndergaard had accepted the QO, they'd have had four.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 10:17 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The Mets have five draft picks. If Syndergaard had accepted the QO, they'd have had four. Really? I ddint know that. A team loses a draft pick when it signs it's own QO'd player?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2021 10:18 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

No, it just fails to gain a draft pick because the player didn't leave.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 10:25 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No, it just fails to gain a draft pick because the player didn't leave. Yeah. That's how I thought it worked.But teams know that going in when they make QO's because those are the rules.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 10:29 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The Mets have five draft picks. If Syndergaard had accepted the QO, they'd have had four. Really? I ddint know that. A team loses a draft pick when it signs it's own QO'd player? So then I'll revert back to my older post. Whaddayouse want? For the Mets to be awarded an extra draft pick for signing Syndergaard? Youse are griping because that's not happening?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 10:30 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No, it just fails to gain a draft pick because the player didn't leave. Yeah. That's how I thought it worked.But teams know that going in when they make QO's because those are the rules. So then I'll revert back to my older post. Whaddayouse want? For the Mets to be awarded an extra draft pick for signing Syndergaard? Youse are griping because that's not happening?

bmfc1 Nov 17 2021 10:36 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

https://franchisesports.co.uk/mlb-compensation-picks-explained/ If a team extends a QO to a player and he turns it down that team gets a bonus pick to compensate it for the loss of a player who did not accept the QO. It can be looked at as a restriction on free agency. There's more in the text portions from last year's draft page: https://www.mlb.com/draft/2021/order

G-Fafif Nov 17 2021 10:45 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Thor says bye. [tweet]https://twitter.com/noahsyndergaard/status/1461024383544160259[/tweet]

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 11:24 AM Re: Moving on from Thor

https://franchisesports.co.uk/mlb-compensation-picks-explained/ If a team extends a QO to a player and he turns it down that team gets a bonus pick to compensate it for the loss of a player who did not accept the QO. It can be looked at as a restriction on free agency. There's more in the text portions from last year's draft page: https://www.mlb.com/draft/2021/order Is this post in response to anything I've been posting or asking on this topic? Because if it is, it's not really addressing any of the issues I've been raising. And if it isn't intended to be a response to any of my posts, my apologies.

kcmets Nov 17 2021 11:27 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

My memory is more contemporaneous: his public cry for a QO while saying that "it would be a tough pill to swallow not wearing a Mets jersey next year" and then signing elsewhere for more money without giving the Mets a chance to match or top the new offer. F him. Kinda where I'm at, but I'll stop short at 'F him' just yet. More on the story may come out of the weeds down the road. What's with the f him and more to this story? If it turns out that he influenced the Mets into QO'ing him, he didnt hurt the Mets by doing so. Me personally, I'm gonna guess that Syndergaard wanted out of the Mets organization. He'd been griping about this and that for years, expressing his unhappiness over many issues. Maybe he sees that many of those problem issues still exist even though the Wilpons are gone. Makes sense to me Lotsa things dont seem right with the Mets. The previous owners were so inept that the problems are likely deep-rooted and aren't going away overnight. Maybe I wasn't clear. I was quoting Lefty who typed F Him and then I said I agreed with his post but stop short at the F Him part. By more of the story I just meant down the line something may come out why he reneged on his 'tough pill to swallow' speech. No biggie.

bmfc1 Nov 17 2021 12:07 PM Re: Moving on from Thor

It wasn't to you, batmagadanleadoff. Somewhere above was a request about the process. I'm not griping about the process, just about Syndergaard.

Ceetar Nov 17 2021 12:19 PM Re: Moving on from Thor

I dunno if qualifying offers are sticking around anyway.

Bob Alpacadaca Nov 17 2021 12:20 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

The Angels might have done us a favor. We can spend that money on a pitcher who doesn't have as many question marks and can throw breaking balls.

Ceetar Nov 17 2021 12:25 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: The Angels might have done us a favor. We can spend that money on a pitcher who doesn't have as many question marks and can throw breaking balls. those don't exist, and the ones that do suck. The two home run game was fun. I liked how he changed his twitter header image to lightning striking over each city the Mets visited in the 2015 playoffs. He was a dominating presence and fun to watch, and he seemed to have a sense of humor (Even if his Twitter feed is probably mostly run by someone else) and could poke fun at himself. I'll miss him.

Centerfield Nov 17 2021 12:45 PM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

=TransMonk post_id=81229 time=1637162110 user_id=71] $21M is too much for one year of Noah in 2022. Heck, the QO was too much for my liking. Good luck to Thor, but that money can be better spent.

In theory yes. But who do you spend it on? From the list in this thread, only Scherzer, Ray, Gausman, Stroman and Rodon are at Noah's level or better. Scherzer is on record not liking NY. Ray has the QO attached so that costs you the 14th pick. That leaves Stroman, Gausman and Rodon. And Rodon is a one-year wonder that faded in the second half.



I guess there are trade options as well, but it's not like we have a very deep farm system.



I also loved the idea of Jake and Noah spending their career as Mets. I guess that kinda thing doesn't really happen.

Bob Alpacadaca Nov 17 2021 01:10 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: The Angels might have done us a favor. We can spend that money on a pitcher who doesn't have as many question marks and can throw breaking balls. those don't exist, and the ones that do suck. Seriously? You don't think there are quality pitchers who don't have as many question marks as the guy who last pitched into the second inning in 2019 -- and wasn't allowed to throw breaking balls in the two innings he did pitch?

Ceetar Nov 17 2021 01:13 PM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

It's not "Better spent" nothing in Syndergaard's QO or offer procludes ANYONE from spending other money. It's not related. there is no salary cap. Breaking: cranky prospect guy over-values draft pick. Look, if the Mets can swing that draft pool money bonus as a way to sign someone EXCELLENT they might not otherwise have been able to, this works out, but there's no reason to think there's some sort of calculated plan here when the people, supposedly, going to make those decisions aren't even here yet. The logic from the Angels side is that Thor wasn't going to accept like 2/25 or something, where you try to ship this year in hopes that he's bolstered for next year. You HAD to pay him at least $20 this year or he would've taken the QO. That's pretty clear. The Angels are going for it, and even 20 starts of 100 IP from him is light years above "just sign a back end starter to replace him" nonsense that Law's pitching there for the Mets. The Mets were supposed to WIN last year. They could've, if they made better signings, spent more money, had better personnel in place or handled injuries differently. There's a lot of turnover now, but this wasn't a team that was supposed to be retooling for 2024+, which is the only way getting a stupid pick and losing a top pitcher makes sense.

Ceetar Nov 17 2021 01:15 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: Bob Alpacadaca wrote: The Angels might have done us a favor. We can spend that money on a pitcher who doesn't have as many question marks and can throw breaking balls. those don't exist, and the ones that do suck. Seriously? You don't think there are quality pitchers who don't have as many question marks as the guy who last pitched into the second inning in 2019 -- and wasn't allowed to throw breaking balls in the two innings he did pitch? There aren't. There are few pitchers better than Syndergaard, and BREAKING, they're all pitchers so they all have questionable health. Would you rather the guy that just had the Tommy John, or the one that hasn't yet?

Edgy MD Nov 17 2021 01:21 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

They all have questionable health, but they don't all have questionable health to the same extent. The list of pitchers who have given the Mets more over the last two years includes Akeem Bostick, Chasen Shreve, and Todd Frazier. It really isn't an issue of him being a bad pitcher or even a bad risk. It's just a matter of whether or not it's a bad deal.

Bob Alpacadaca Nov 17 2021 01:24 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: =Ceetar post_id=81261 time=1637177125 user_id=102] those don't exist, and the ones that do suck. Seriously? You don't think there are quality pitchers who don't have as many question marks as the guy who last pitched into the second inning in 2019 -- and wasn't allowed to throw breaking balls in the two innings he did pitch? There aren't. There are few pitchers better than Syndergaard, and BREAKING, they're all pitchers so they all have questionable health. Would you rather the guy that just had the Tommy John, or the one that hasn't yet?

BREAKING, you say crazy stuff. He had Tommy John two years ago and stopped in the middle of last year after a setback. Then he was told not to throw a slider for fear of re-injuring himself. Not all pitchers need the surgery, and not all of the ones who have it take two years to come back. If you don't realize he has more question marks than a Stroman or others on the market, I can't help you. Hell, there's a reason the Angels would only give him a one-year deal instead of something longer.

Edgy MD Nov 17 2021 01:26 PM Re: Holy Shit: Syndergaard to Anaheim

Just to be clear, I'm against the Mets picking anybody stupid.

Ceetar Nov 17 2021 01:30 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

The list of pitchers who have given the Mets more over the last three is Wheeler deGrom But, let me know the list of pitchers that give the Mets more than him in 2022, because that's what we're talking about. He didn't have some crazy shoulder surgery. He had a very common one, a minor setback, and he passed a physical and had an intensive conversation about the pitching plan medically and strategically for next year. So any 'questionable health' extent is much lesser for Syndergaard than many others. Even if he only throws half a season at career levels, he'd be around 60th of 200 starters last year in fWAR. There were 176 IL assignments to pitchers in 2021. Which one of those guys do you think is less questionable? and good enough?

Edgy MD Nov 17 2021 01:34 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

=Ceetar post_id=81274 time=1637181040 user_id=102]But, let me know the list of pitchers that give the Mets more than him in 2022, because that's what we're talking about.

I can certainly tell you a list of those that are likely to, given the chance. I disagree with your claims after that imperative. I also question why you put questionable health in quotes, when you yourself introduced the phrase.

Willets Point Nov 17 2021 01:40 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Shouldn't arguments about signing/not signing Syndergaard be in one of the 2 or 3 other Thor threads instead of the memory thread?

Ceetar Nov 17 2021 01:43 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

we got like three posts before it went off the rails, so *shrug* maybe they should all be one thread.

Edgy MD Nov 17 2021 01:44 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Agreed with Willets. Anybody who would like to move there, feel free. I can move posts later.

metsmarathon Nov 17 2021 02:01 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

https://live.staticflickr.com/4534/37667946865_46073ab8d3_z.jpg> goodbye, thor

kcmets Nov 17 2021 02:03 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Next thing ya know some *pinhead* will post a Ramones song in one of the three threads and there will be *pandemonium personified*!

Bob Alpacadaca Nov 17 2021 02:19 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

I should have posted my comment about the Angels doing the Mets a favor in the "Moving on" thread. My mistake.

Willets Point Nov 17 2021 02:25 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

"Blitzkrieg" means "lightning war," so one could say that Thor's homer was a "Blitzkrieg Bop."

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 02:54 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 02:57 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

If you had to pick which pitcher would have the best future career when this card was made, deGrom would've gotten the least number of votes. [FIMG=555]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51687096641_97900a8730_b.jpg[/FIMG]

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 03:02 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

2018 Typewriter Chewing Gum Total Mets team set - Code Name: Puppet, Pauper, Poet, Pawn, King. [FIMG=488]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51688000305_b238cf9b06_b.jpg[/FIMG] This was probably my favorite card in this whole set. But because of covid, I don't think it has aged well.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 03:07 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 03:10 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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whippoorwill Nov 17 2021 03:16 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

=MFS62 post_id=81228 time=1637161489 user_id=60] =whippoorwill post_id=81216 time=1637156317 user_id=79] Please what is QO?

It means qualifying offer.

A qualifying offer in baseball is a one year offer, worth the average of the top 125 salaries, to impending free agents. In order to be eligible for the qualifying offer, players must (1) have never received a QO before, and (2) have spent the entire season on that team's roster

(MLB.com).

If another team signs the player, his old team receives a compensatory draft pick.



Later


Thank you!

kcmets Nov 17 2021 04:13 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

=kcmets post_id=81257 time=1637173628 user_id=53]By more of the story I just meant down the line something may come out why he reneged on his 'tough pill to swallow' speech.

And that's exactly what is unfolding NOW!!!

G-Fafif Nov 17 2021 04:55 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mets/status/1461017975406960652[/tweet]

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2021 10:22 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2021 09:24 PM

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bmfc1 Nov 18 2021 06:57 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Joel Sherman has a column that I won't link to with declarations without attribution or quotes about how the Mets handled Noah. Sherman said that the Mets were silent, didn't follow-up, and allowed LAA to swoop in. He also said that the uncertainty with the Mets factored into the decision. To me, giving him the QO he wanted meant that they weren't silent and the Mets didn't have any obligation to check-in during the short acceptance period.

kcmets Nov 18 2021 07:06 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Buffalo biscuits, Sherman's column is spot on imho.

kcmets Nov 18 2021 07:24 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

How Mets drove Noah Syndergaard away in final days with team: Sherman

whippoorwill Nov 18 2021 10:45 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Good guy, never did anything embarrassing to the Mets, lots of good and fun memories. I wish him well but really he's too much of an X factor in my mind at this point. His misfortune to have a contract year come after two years basically rehabbing could have been a disaster to him but I guess he landed on his feet

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2021 10:48 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

How does anyone know for sure that the Mets drove Syndergaard away? Maybe this all played out exactly how the Mets were hoping it would play out. Maybe the Mets preferred the draft pick over Syndergaard -- years of relatively cheap controllable talent over a guy pushing 30 with oodles and oodles of questionmarks yet poised to make about $20M a year.

Ceetar Nov 18 2021 10:52 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=81353 time=1637257731 user_id=68] How does anyone know for sure that the Mets drove Syndergaard away? Maybe this all played out exactly how the Mets were hoping it would play out. Maybe the Mets preferred the draft pick over Syndergaard -- years of relatively cheap controllable talent over a guy pushing 30 with oodles and oodles of questionmarks yet poised to make about $20M a year.

I think that's pretty clear no? Given how they handled last year's draft, and trade deadline. And now this. Feels like they're building for 2024. dare them to prove me wrong.



They didn't drive Syndergaard away, they just were going through the motions and someone swooped in with a good pitch and he took it.

Edgy MD Nov 18 2021 11:01 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

I think we all have opinions but lack most of the pertinent facts. That includes Sherman, although he seems to think he has a pretty clear idea what went down at Minasian's dinner overture.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2021 11:14 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

The only Met ever to be featured on the cover of The New Yorker magazine. [FIMG=444]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/fd4AAOSw3h1ZTAUo/s-l1600.jpg[/FIMG]

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2021 11:16 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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Edgy MD Nov 18 2021 11:25 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

The only Met ever to be featured on the cover of The New Yorker magazine. [FIMG=444]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/fd4AAOSw3h1ZTAUo/s-l1600.jpg[/FIMG] Hey, don't forget Aaron Heilman, or whoever. https://bobstaake.com/nyer/windup.jpg>

duan Nov 18 2021 11:38 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Edgy MD wrote: I think we all have opinions but lack most of the pertinent facts. That includes Sherman, although he seems to think he has a pretty clear idea what went down at Minasian's dinner overture. And I think this comes back to the 'not having a GM'. If Billy Eppler is the guy - and he had decided 'that isn't how I'd spend $20 million' fair enough. But the absence of leadership & direction comes back to Sandy Alderson and Steve Coen

ashie62 Nov 18 2021 12:01 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

He was a guy I thought could get 27 k's in a game.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2021 12:13 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

I dunno. I think Alderson and whoever else is there making decisions were able to decide how hard and with how much to pursue Syndergaard. Whether that turns out to be the best decision is a whole 'nuther thing. And that's all mostly luck anyways. When you get down to it, everything is mostly luck and nobody knows shit. But the idea that the Mets are inert right now just because they haven't signed a new GM yet is overblown. Alderson probably knows Syndergaard just about better than any other exec in all of baseball.

kcmets Nov 18 2021 12:58 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

=Ceetar post_id=81354 time=1637257935 user_id=102]They didn't drive Syndergaard away, they just were going through the motions and someone swooped in with a good pitch and he took it.

Maybe, it's 50-50? Maybe Noah didn't get a call back or whatever protocol was

or should have been in place and said fuck it I'm outta here and 3,000 miles from

this fucking place for a year with mo' money in my pocket.



At least it wasn't the Yankees, Braves or Phillies that swooped. So there's that.

The Hot Corner Nov 18 2021 08:16 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

I really don't care that Syndergaard left. Likely did the team a favor. After professing his love for New York and his desire to remain a Met, his departure just seemed rather abrupt. I think the $18.4 mil. of the quality offer made to Syndergaard would be better spent trying toward resign Stroman. At this point, I would much rather retain Stroman than to have kept Syndergaard.

Edgy MD Nov 18 2021 08:46 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

He seemed smarter than Harvey, but only half-smart in that he was all too willing to buy into his own self-promotion campaign. Counting David Wright, we've now seen three superheroes laid low before their time. From the Wifey Watch thread, we learned that he seemed to like women who were a little on the wild side. His cockiness seemed more than a little over-calculated. Like, why did he have to ride side-saddle in the Céspedes show? Why did he have to build a campaign around Colón being tubby? Why did he have a fake feud with Mister? Can't he get his own act going? He certainly had his fun, and his brand was certainly more entwined than most in the Mets brand. There's value in that.

nymr83 Nov 18 2021 09:44 PM Re: Moving on from Thor

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=81190 time=1637100375 user_id=68] =nymr83 post_id=81188 time=1637098736 user_id=54] I love THOR, but objectively he has spent the past two years rehabbing and we don't know what he'll be. I'll take the draft pick and then hope Steve Cohen's money can two of Stroman and Scherzer/Gray/Rodon/Gausman to come here. The Mets were always going to be the worst match for Syndergaard if he didn't take the QO because the moment he rejected it the Mets would have to be thinking that THEY were the ones giving up a second rounder if they signed him.

How would the Mets have lost a 2d round pick by signing Syndergaard? And who' would've

gotten that pick?


The Mets knew they'd get a 2nd rounder as soon as someone else signed him, that is an asset they will be thinking about at that point and whatever that pick is worth to them (2 million? 3 million?) is the amount less than their perceived value of Syndergaard that they should offer Syndergaard

TransMonk Nov 19 2021 07:07 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

The Hot Corner wrote: I really don't care that Syndergaard left. Likely did the team a favor. After professing his love for New York and his desire to remain a Met, his departure just seemed rather abrupt. I think the $18.4 mil. of the quality offer made to Syndergaard would be better spent trying toward resign Stroman. At this point, I would much rather retain Stroman than to have kept Syndergaard. This is where I'm at.

ashie62 Nov 19 2021 07:30 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Maybe the Mets let the Angels have Noah as compensation for Eppler.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2021 07:56 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

It would be more appropriate to have let William Morris have Syndergaard.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 19 2021 09:30 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 19 2021 09:33 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

I heard rumors that Typewriter Chewing Gum was discontinuing its popular Mets cards for 2022, citing supply-chain gluts, a tight labor market, increased material costs, and an inability to clear right with the players and clubs. Is this true?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 19 2021 09:35 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 19 2021 09:40 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I heard rumors that Typewriter Chewing Gum was discontinuing its popular Mets cards for 2022, citing supply-chain gluts, a tight labor market, increased material costs, and an inability to clear right with the players and clubs. Is this true? Topps and Fanatics are spreading those rumors. Because they've got nothing like this on the market: 2019 Typewriter Chewing Gum Total Mets Team Set - Code Name: Holy Curt Gowdy! [FIMG=444]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51691643955_8d42e6dfef_c.jpg[/FIMG]

bmfc1 Nov 19 2021 11:05 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Logan Roy is here to encompass my feelings about Syndergaard, especially after his whiny comments today: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEkz93LXIAUjDP4?format=jpg&name=large>

seawolf17 Nov 19 2021 01:19 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/cdorso/status/1460640168973639688[/TWEET]

Edgy MD Nov 19 2021 01:24 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Gooden no countie?

Willets Point Nov 19 2021 02:23 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Olerud.

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2021 03:08 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/cdorso/status/1460640168973639688[/TWEET] Straw - played ONE full season on the contract he got and was booted from two different teams before it was over. Reyes -- three good, though not great, seasons on the four year deal he signed. Never came close to matching his walk-year season. Played for three different franchises in those four years although, unlike Straw, that wasn't really his fault. Thor - remains to be seen And, look, I understand the whole 'gut punch' thing from a fan's perspective, especially from a younger fan, a concept that goes beyond whether or not the the subsequent deal turned out to be "worth it". But sometimes the best signings over the long haul are the ones you don't make. I mean, we opted not to re-sign Keith or Cater also but both were the right move. I agree that losing Olerud was worse than any of the above (Steve Phillips made noises about him not being aggressive/RBI-ish enough for a middle of the order hitter as if his top-shelf OBA numbers were somehow not part of the equation). Would have out-Zeile'd Zeile on those 2000-2002 squads.

kcmets Nov 19 2021 03:36 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2021 04:00 PM

Noah Syndergaard cites fresh start, Mets GM questions and 'uncertainty' for exit -- SNY

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 19 2021 03:44 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Dennis Lamp. #stillnotoverit

G-Fafif Nov 19 2021 05:25 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

[tweet]https://twitter.com/noahsyndergaard/status/1461795722093907970[/tweet]

kcmets Nov 19 2021 05:43 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

That's pretty funny.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2021 07:56 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

When I first saw the tweet post above, the formatted tweet wasn't loading, and I just saw Syndergaard's tweet without seeing who it was in response to, and for a moment I thought it was aimed at @BauerOutage. So it made me think, "Hey, let's see what Trevor Bauer is up to!" [TWEET]https://twitter.com/BauerOutage/status/1461764816029118472[/TWEET] Good God, remind me to stay the fuck off of Twitter.

Fman99 Nov 20 2021 04:16 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Edgy MD wrote: When I first saw the tweet post above, the formatted tweet wasn't loading, and I just saw Syndergaard's tweet without seeing who it was in response to, and for a moment I thought it was aimed at @BauerOutage. So it made me think, "Hey, let's see what Trevor Bauer is up to!" Yeah, I mean, you had to be able to guess that he'd still be a shitbag.

seawolf17 Nov 20 2021 06:19 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

That's pretty funny. I literally LOLed. Still love ya, Noah. And as to the gut-punch thing -- I purely mean *in the moment.* Not long-term, not "worst Mets decisions ever." Just free agency moves that were like WHAT THE FUCK I THOUGHT HE WAS OUR GUY.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2021 09:36 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2021 09:37 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 21 2021 09:37 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 21 2021 09:38 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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roger_that Nov 22 2021 09:22 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

I always regret that he hasn't written an account of his days with the Mets (before going to the Angels) whose title parodies Nolan Ryan's autobiography, "Throwing Heat," merely by transposing two letters: Thor Wing Heat

batmagadanleadoff Nov 22 2021 10:39 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Capped off his best season as a Met, 2016, by starting the one and done Wild Card game that the Mets lost to the Giants, pitching seven innings of shutout ball and striking out 10. [YOUTUBE]WZPT0w9hH1o[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]IjN9dpGzWuY[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD Nov 22 2021 11:22 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Didn't get pinch-hit for, didn't get double-switched. Just got pulled. Of all the guys to lose an all-or-nothing playoff to — Conor Gillaspie.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 22 2021 11:48 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=81549 time=1637602791 user_id=68] Capped off his best season as a Met, 2016, by starting the one and done Wild Card game that the Mets lost to the Giants, pitching seven innings of shutout ball and striking out 10. [YOUTUBE]WZPT0w9hH1o[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]IjN9dpGzWuY[/YOUTUBE]

That's seven innings of two-hit shutout ball.

bmfc1 Nov 22 2021 03:51 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

The Hot Corner wrote: I really don't care that Syndergaard left. Likely did the team a favor. After professing his love for New York and his desire to remain a Met, his departure just seemed rather abrupt. I think the $18.4 mil. of the quality offer made to Syndergaard would be better spent trying toward resign Stroman. At this point, I would much rather retain Stroman than to have kept Syndergaard. This is a good analysis except it omits that he can go f**k himself.

Ceetar Nov 22 2021 06:02 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

gotta hate players that look out for themselves right? BLEED FOR ME

bmfc1 Nov 22 2021 06:08 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

=Ceetar post_id=81600 time=1637629375 user_id=102] gotta hate players that look out for themselves right? BLEED FOR ME

Valid point and it's not my $2.1M but he begged for that QO. If Conforto leaves I will tip my hat to him (unless he goes to WSH or PHI).

batmagadanleadoff Nov 22 2021 07:23 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Begging for a QO, if that's what Syndergaard truly did, is probably part of "looking out for himself". With a QO attached to him, teams that were truly interested in signing Syndergaard had to compete against the QO itself. So Syndergaard was looking out for himself, maneuvering and employing tactics to get the highest possible contract. And the Mets are better off having QO'd Syndergaard as opposed to not QO'ing Syndergaard at all, as they'll now receive a compensatory draft pick for losing out on one of their own Qo'd players. So what's the beef?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 22 2021 07:25 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Begging for a QO, if that's what Syndergaard truly did, is probably part of "looking out for himself". With a QO attached to him, teams that were truly interested in signing Syndergaard had to compete against the QO itself. So Syndergaard was looking out for himself, maneuvering and employing tactics to get the highest possible contract. And the Mets are better off having QO'd Syndergaard as opposed to not QO'ing Syndergaard at all, as they'll now receive a compensatory draft pick for losing out on one of their own Qo'd players. So what's the beef? Blame the Mets if the Mets secretly or internally wanted Syndergaard and were willing to match or top the Angels offer.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 22 2021 07:31 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

It's hard to say because there's so much we don't know, but me personally, I'm seeing something that might be a not-so-random pattern here where the Mets are falling short in the FA market. Springer, Realmuto, Bauer, Synergaard and today Loup. Yeah, I know all about Bauer but nobody knew how vile and disastrous Bauer's 2021 season was gonna turn out before he signed with LA. This could be nothing but coincidence. Or maybe Cohen has some superduper rich man's complex about not wanting to be taken advantage of financially so he overcompensates by sticking to underwhelming offers that won't close deals. What's he supposed to do, though? He's operating in an extremely sophisticated market and can't keep it a secret that he's one of the world's two or three dozen wealthiest persons.

Willets Point Nov 23 2021 07:41 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=81610 time=1637634695 user_id=68] Yeah, I know all about Bauer but nobody knew how vile and disastrous Bauer's 2021 season was gonna turn out before he signed with LA.

Some of us didn't want someone that vile on the team because we could see it was likely to play out much like it ended up playing out. It wasn't a surprise to anyone except people who were willing to look the other way because Bauer can throw strikes.

Frayed Knot Nov 23 2021 10:34 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

That Bauer had the potential to be a polarizing figure, a social media annoyance, and a clubhouse 'distraction' was foreseeable. But there was nothing in his past to suggest that (alleged) violent criminal was the likely outcome.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 23 2021 10:34 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 23 2021 10:36 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 23 2021 10:38 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

[FIMG=444]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51700802209_70eacc1a4a_c.jpg[/FIMG] Glossy variation [FIMG=444]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51701015015_e423c89c1e_c.jpg[/FIMG]

Ceetar Nov 23 2021 11:05 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

Frayed Knot wrote: That Bauer had the potential to be a polarizing figure, a social media annoyance, and a clubhouse 'distraction' was foreseeable. But there was nothing in his past to suggest that (alleged) violent criminal was the likely outcome. He was aggressive and demeaning to women constantly. It wasn't a huge stretch. See also: The barstool guy.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 24 2021 11:18 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 24 2021 11:19 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 24 2021 11:22 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

2019 Typewriter Chewing Gum Total Mets Team Set - Code Name: Holy Curt Gowdy!; Subset: (You Look Familiar:Space) [FIMG=444]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51701854219_a4df0b306c_c.jpg[/FIMG]

Benjamin Grimm Nov 24 2021 11:25 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

http://ultimatemets.com/cards/NoahSyndergaard1972boyhood.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/cards/NoahSyndergaard1973.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/cards/NoahSyndergaard1974.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/cards/NoahSyndergaard1977.jpg> http://ultimatemets.com/cards/NoahSyndergaard1978.jpg> Schaefer Mets Pitcher of the Year in 2016. Schaefer Mets Player of the Month, July 2015, May 2016. Schaefer Mets Pitcher of the Month July 2015, April 2016, May 2016, September 2018.

Edgy MD Nov 24 2021 11:59 AM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

That's a pretty terrific legacy for a pitcher who never quite seemed to have it all together. Sort of like the Darryl Strawberry of pitchers, in that you could get so lost in how great he might be that you don't fully appreciate how terrific he is. Same height, too.

G-Fafif Nov 24 2021 02:19 PM Re: Memories of Noah Syndergaard

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