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'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

kcmets Nov 03 2021 08:30 PM

Walt Frazier, for anyone who needs to google him.

Fman99 Nov 04 2021 07:00 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Is there a reason we need a Walt Frazier thread? Is he dying?

kcmets Nov 04 2021 07:16 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Nah, at 76 he's still percolating! Dishing and swishing. Slicing and dicing.

Edgy MD Nov 04 2021 08:07 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

No illness for Mr. Thrillness!

kcmets Nov 04 2021 08:21 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Edgy MD, posting and toasting.

Edgy MD Nov 04 2021 08:51 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Startin' threads and crackin' heads!

Lefty Specialist Nov 04 2021 11:01 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Drivin' and thrivin'! [YOUTUBE]dQNkKTlDilY[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD Nov 04 2021 11:18 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Fancy threads and lustrous heads!

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 04 2021 01:09 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Typin and snipin

Fman99 Nov 04 2021 06:41 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

I've got no gripe, Clyde's still layin pipe

Frayed Knot Nov 04 2021 07:38 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

The national press never seemed to realize it, but I always thought Clyde was the bigger NYC sports hero of that era than Namath. Joe Willie was a hit with the younger, more rebellious crowd among the ink-stained crew which, in the sixties, was a big deal. But Frazier had a much wider appeal IMO; older folks who liked a lot more fundies (as Keith would say) in their game liked Clyde, but so did the the younger crowd who wanted to see some more flair. Black kids liked him but so did white kids. Guys liked him, girls LOVED him. And what became known as the Willis Reed game should really be known as the Walt Frazier game.

Edgy MD Nov 06 2021 08:25 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

I wasn't old enough or into b-ball enough to distinguish him. I knew who he was. I guess I knew all the Knicks starters and a reserve or two, but I didn't see or comprehend enough basketball that I could tell you who was better than whom or who was my favorite. But his was the first athlete's name on a shoe that kids asked for by name. Some kids had Converse. Some had Adidas. But if you had Pumas, you didn't have shit unless you had Puma Clydes. That they are still manufactured today is pretty stunning. I got the next-most-asked-for shoe — Adidas Superstars. I don't even think they were particularly good (mine came apart between the toe and the side panels). Clydes had the authority in the marketplace (I'm sure we all assumed they were the shoe to ask for because of the older kids) and that sure spoke to the man's authority. Makin' news and sellin' shoes.

kcmets Nov 07 2021 09:44 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

I went through a pair or three of blue-suede-with-white-stripe Clydes in middle school. As I'm sure I've said many times (because I often repeat myself) I wanted to be either Walt or Tom when I was a kid. Known for his very quick hands and 'defensive prowess' as well as everything else he was a Top 50 All-Time NBA player a decade or two ago.

Frayed Knot Nov 07 2021 02:28 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

=kcmets post_id=80744 time=1636303486 user_id=53]... he was a Top 50 All-Time NBA player a decade or two ago.

That list was from 25 years ago when the NBA was turning 50. They recently made their top 75 list to celebrate their 75th anniversary and Clyde made the cut this time too (as did DeBusschere and Reed)

Edgy MD Nov 07 2021 07:37 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Knicks also repped by Earl the Pearl, McAdoo, and Ewing. https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2021/10/75_person_name_template_v216x9-1-1-784x441.jpg>

Fman99 Nov 08 2021 04:59 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Edgy MD wrote: Knicks also repped by Earl the Pearl, McAdoo, and Ewing. Carmelo Anthony, too.

Edgy MD Nov 08 2021 07:17 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

I'm surprised there is still a special historical NBA spot reserved for Pete Maravich. He had a pretty good NBA career, but he put up a million shots to do it, and his legend always seemed to rest primarily on his amateur exploits. Without checking, I'd probably take Mark Agguire's or Bernard King's career over his.

Willets Point Nov 08 2021 09:12 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

I remember there was controversy over including Shaq on the 50th anniversary list but I suspect there is none of that now.

Frayed Knot Nov 08 2021 12:25 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Willets Point wrote: I remember there was controversy over including Shaq on the 50th anniversary list but I suspect there is none of that now. Yeah because he had only been in the league some four or five seasons at that point. I remember Francesa talking to hoops writer Pete Vescey (I think it was Vescey) when that 50th list came out arguing that it you're going to vote for Shaq based more on his assumed future than on his short track record to date then you'd have to also vote for Penny Hardaway (Shaq's point guard teammate also with a top flight start to his career) and Vescey replied, "I did". Hardaway ultimately didn't garner enough votes to get onto to that team but, unlike the Shaq vote, any votes Penny did get turn out to look not so prescient in hindsight. I don't follow basketball closely enough to have an opinion on most of this stuff but, in general, I'd be very leery of putting someone on a 'best ever' list based on maybe 1/4 of his eventual career. Don Mattingly and Dale Murphy were sure fire HoF'ers ... and then came the second halves of their careers.

Willets Point Nov 08 2021 02:09 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

So were Doc and Straw.

Lefty Specialist Nov 08 2021 02:53 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

And, unfortunately, David Wright.

Edgy MD Nov 08 2021 03:18 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

For what it's woith, I think Moiphy still has a pretty strong case, and will likely get a strong second look one of these days.

kcmets Nov 08 2021 04:55 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Since we're veering off course, Bob McAdoo kinda makes me raise an eyebrow but I didn't go checking yet. Pistol Pete, Bernard King are probably in the 'eh' territory' for me but I'm sure if someone cares they will explain the Maravich thing. Was he in the 50th anniversary top 50?

MFS62 Nov 08 2021 05:07 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Glad to see some of the old timers make it, like Arazin (credited with inventing the jump shot), and George Mikan and Dolph Schayes. I would have liked to have seen more ex-ABA players, like David Thompson and Mel Daniels who in their primes were as good as some of the players on the list. For example, Daniels, a 6'8" (undersized) center averaged 18.4 pts and 14.9 Rebounds and Wes Unseld )another undersized (6'7") center averaged 10 pts and 14 rebounds. Thompson's career was cut short because a drug addiction he acquired while rehabbing from a foot injury - what we call opioid abuse these days. He averaged 22 pts over a nine year career. But his nickname , Skywalker, was an indication of his jumping ability and the excitement he brought to the arena. I'm not sure who he would have bumped off that list, but if you saw him play, you know he should be on it. Later

Frayed Knot Nov 08 2021 05:36 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

=kcmets post_id=80801 time=1636415730 user_id=53]...the Maravich thing. Was he in the 50th anniversary top 50?

Yes. The only non-living player at the time to be included.



And the reason there aren't more ABA players is that it's the NBA all-time list, not a list of all basketball.

MFS62 Nov 08 2021 06:00 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

I saw Gervin and Erving, but then I saw they played more NBA games than ABA games. Later

G-Fafif Nov 08 2021 07:12 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Joe Tait, the now retired, Hall of Fame broadcaster for the Cavaliers remembers when Frazier was traded by the Knicks to Cleveland. “One morning we're at the gate at Hopkins Airport, getting ready to fly somewhere, when Frazier strolls down the concourse in his Clyde hat and colorful, full length mink coat. Footsie Walker turns to me and says, ‘There goes the team dress code.'” https://www.sportsbroadcastjournal.com/walt-frazier-knick-rookie-in-67-two-time-nba-champ-28-year-radio-and-tv-voice-turns-75-today/

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2021 08:06 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Edgy MD wrote: Knicks also repped by Earl the Pearl, McAdoo, and Ewing. Carmelo Anthony, too. And Jerry Lucas. Dwight Howard belongs on that list. And it's good to see Rick Barry on the list - he's often overlooked on all-time lists because he'd split his career between the ABA and NBA.

kcmets Nov 09 2021 12:00 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Anyone our age who didn't sometimes emulate Rick Barry from the from the charity stripe missed a fun part of childhood...

G-Fafif Nov 15 2021 05:32 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

[tweet]https://twitter.com/nyknicks/status/1460399717699833857[/tweet]

MFS62 Nov 15 2021 06:00 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Anyone our age who didn't sometimes emulate Rick Barry from the from the charity stripe missed a fun part of childhood... His underhand free throw shot was a little after when I played, but I had practiced shooting that style, emulating other players who preceeded Barry. IIRC, Hawks player Cliff Hagan was one of them (Or was it Bob Petit?) Another Rick Barry note: When I worked at Prentice-Hall (the publishing company that made their mark with textbooks and biographies) they issued "Confessions of a Basketball Gypsy" the story of Rick Barry. During the first printing he moved to the Nets. So they had to recall the book cover with him wearing his old uniform (Oakland Oaks?) and replace it with one in his new uniform - the Nets. Later

Frayed Knot Nov 15 2021 07:22 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

And speaking of Clyde and sports books, did any athlete have a better named auto-bio than, Rockin' Steady: the Guide to Basketball and Cool ? I think not.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 15 2021 10:47 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Edgy MD wrote: Knicks also repped by Earl the Pearl, McAdoo, and Ewing. Carmelo Anthony, too. And Jerry Lucas. Those 1972-1974 Knicks had six future NBA Hall-of-Famers on the roster at the same time: Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, Dave DeBusschere, Bill Bradley, Earl Monroe and Jerry Lucas. And that's not even close to the NBA record.

Edgy MD Nov 16 2021 01:48 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Phil Jackson, too. And Allie McGuire, who is the son of a Hall-of-Famer. And Harthorne Wingo, who is in the Athletic Name Hall of Fame.

kcmets Nov 30 2021 03:11 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Petulance personified!

nymr83 Dec 01 2021 05:30 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Really missed not having Frazier for the game last night, which was on friggin TNT

roger_that Dec 01 2021 08:17 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Edgy MD wrote: Harthorne Wingo, who is in the Athletic Name Hall of Fame. Name never looked right to me--I always thought it was "Hawthorne." RIP [url]https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2021/1/26/22250465/honoring-the-life-and-career-of-harthorne-wingo Apparently, his name found its way into a Beastie Boys lyric. Who knew?

Edgy MD Dec 01 2021 10:25 AM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

Crane Pool readers. They knew.

MFS62 Dec 02 2021 05:00 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p526x296/257720503_2438376362962162_6436825785085258398_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=AnJkle3E4swAX8OWUua&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=b1663cb2159e924e1afaf1c68c52c5a0&oe=61AE7F80 Later

Edgy MD Apr 06 2022 07:43 PM Re: 'bounding and Astounding - The Clyde Frazier Thread

I stumbled upon this montage of the night Linsanity was born, and got a "Penetrating! Manipulating! DEVASTATING!!" [YOUTUBE]m3A6wJBZ7hE[/YOUTUBE]