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Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Edgy MD Nov 28 2021 03:43 PM

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bmfc1 Nov 28 2021 03:59 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

Even if the pursuit of Scherzer is Boras' way of driving up the price for the west coast teams it's fine because it gives them less money to spend.

kcmets Nov 28 2021 04:06 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

I don't know about Scherzer, in the back of my mind I could see him coming here and being all Tom Glavine ll or something...

Frayed Knot Nov 28 2021 05:03 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

I keep thinking that the clock is going to run out on Scherzer ... and it certainly will at some point but it hasn't yet.

MFS62 Nov 28 2021 05:21 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

Kris Bryant isn't hurrying to sign. https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/mlb-world-reacts-to-sundays-kris-bryant-news?fbclid=IwAR1H4lu2PhonlM9KNezPMkxzkAG0iPwygxw-6RXxT286bO4EcqDBimMA980 Later

The Hot Corner Nov 28 2021 05:49 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

I think the Mets will have to greatly overpay to get Scherzer to come to New York. He has definitely expressed a preference to being on the west coast. Great as he is, I don't think he is worth $40 Mil./yr. for 2-3 years. I would prefer getting Gausman and making a serious run for a Stroman return. I'm not as sold on Jon Gray

bmfc1 Nov 28 2021 06:18 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

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batmagadanleadoff Nov 28 2021 06:29 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

Why wouldn't Scherzer be worth $40M/yr? I guess if Scherzer signs with the Mets for that amount, ol' Steve Cohen will only have some 13 or 14 billion dollars, less $40M leftover to sign other players. Woe is him. (Like it's my money and I personally hafta pay for Scherzer to play for the Mets.)

bmfc1 Nov 28 2021 06:32 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

That's what they offered Bauer and Scherzer isn't a dick. I'm fantasizing about Scherzer pitching game two at home on 4/2 v. WSH and then the WSH home opener on 4/7.

kcmets Nov 28 2021 06:46 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

I have tepid interest in Max for 3 years. I don't care about the salary or how much money will be left in anyone's coffers after paying him. The second half or two thirds of that three years could be quite miserable.

nymr83 Nov 28 2021 06:49 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=81908 time=1638149380 user_id=68] Why wouldn't Scherzer be worth $40M/yr? I guess if Scherzer signs with the Mets for that amount, ol' Steve Cohen will only have some 13 or 14 billion dollars, less $40M leftover to sign other players. Woe is him. (Like it's my money and I personally hafta pay for Scherzer to play for the Mets.)

Yeah, who cares. This is like you paying the $90 cleaning lady who is much better than the $70 cleaning lady.



Spend Steve's dough!

Edgy MD Nov 28 2021 07:21 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Skimp on pitchers, but never skimp on cleaning staff. That's my motto. So, all this hot stove action happening now, I'm guessing, is because precedent suggests players under contract will still get paid in part or whole after a work stoppage, and players not under contract won't? Is that correct?

The Hot Corner Nov 28 2021 08:25 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

If the Mets sign Scherzer for an AAV of $40+ Mil., then Cohen best be prepared to back up truck to keep DeGrom (assuming he can stay healthy). Gausman signs with Toronto for 5 yrs. at $110 Mil.

nymr83 Nov 28 2021 08:58 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Edgy MD wrote: Skimp on pitchers, but never skimp on cleaning staff. That's my motto. So, all this hot stove action happening now, I'm guessing, is because precedent suggests players under contract will still get paid in part or whole after a work stoppage, and players not under contract won't? Is that correct? That could be part of it , but also many veterans want the certainty. The labor issue might be done in a month or they might drag into the summer - these guys and their families want to know where to rent, where to enroll the kids in school

Centerfield Nov 28 2021 09:03 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

I guess sleep is overrated anyway.

Edgy MD Nov 28 2021 09:03 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Yeah, I imagine a lot o' Mets fans are wearing a digital hole in that REFRESH button. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1465166919024222215[/TWEET]

Centerfield Nov 28 2021 09:15 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

This is fun.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 28 2021 09:19 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Max Power

Edgy MD Nov 28 2021 09:35 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

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Edgy MD Nov 28 2021 09:39 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

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Edgy MD Nov 28 2021 09:43 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

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Edgy MD Nov 28 2021 10:02 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Dunno who this young man is, but ... [tweet]https://twitter.com/therealzachwalt/status/1465183953258790912[/tweet]

Edgy MD Nov 28 2021 10:31 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Reports seem to suggest things were a moment away, and then no updates for the last hour. To bed.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 29 2021 01:03 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher

=nymr83 post_id=81911 time=1638150591 user_id=54] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=81908 time=1638149380 user_id=68] Why wouldn't Scherzer be worth $40M/yr? I guess if Scherzer signs with the Mets for that amount, ol' Steve Cohen will only have some 13 or 14 billion dollars, less $40M leftover to sign other players. Woe is him. (Like it's my money and I personally hafta pay for Scherzer to play for the Mets.)

Yeah, who cares. This is like you paying the $90 cleaning lady who is much better than the $70 cleaning lady.



Spend Steve's dough!


Yeah. If Steve Cohen wants to win a World Series no matter what it costs him, what's the problem? The Yankees have been doing this forever or at least for all of my adult life and they haven't had a losing season in thirty years. And I can't remember the last time the Dodgers didn't walk onto the field for Opening Day when they weren't considered one of the favorites to win the World Series.



Whaddyayouse want? More of Michael Cuddyer and two first place finishes in 32 seasons?

Marshmallowmilkshake Nov 29 2021 04:54 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Edgy MD wrote: Reports seem to suggest things were a moment away, and then no updates for the last hour. To bed. Boras is going to need a little time to take the Mets offer to the Dodgers and try to get them to top it.

ashie62 Nov 29 2021 05:27 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

MAD MAX

seawolf17 Nov 29 2021 06:18 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

IF this happens, and IF deGrom is healthy, holy shit at the top of this rotation next year. (We're going to play .400 baseball because the other three starters will still be terrible, but hey, whaddya gonna do.)

MFS62 Nov 29 2021 06:20 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Goin' after the old guy. I wonder if they can convince R.A. Dickey to make a comeback. Later

The Hot Corner Nov 29 2021 06:41 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Edgy MD wrote: Reports seem to suggest things were a moment away, and then no updates for the last hour. To bed. Boras is going to need a little time to take the Mets offer to the Dodgers and try to get them to top it. When I got up this morning and there was still no news of a finalized deal, I had the same thoughts as marshmallowmilkshake. The longer it drags out from being "moments from a deal", the more likely Max is to sign elsewhere (most likely Los Angeles). I hope I am wrong, but that is the feeling I get.

bmfc1 Nov 29 2021 06:44 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

IF this happens, and IF deGrom is healthy, holy shit at the top of this rotation next year. (We're going to play .400 baseball because the other three starters will still be terrible, but hey, whaddya gonna do.) Carrasco, Taijuan, and someone else they sign (Rondon? Cobb? Kikuchi?). https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/available/

seawolf17 Nov 29 2021 07:10 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

IF this happens, and IF deGrom is healthy, holy shit at the top of this rotation next year. (We're going to play .400 baseball because the other three starters will still be terrible, but hey, whaddya gonna do.) Carrasco, Taijuan, and someone else they sign (Rondon? Cobb? Kikuchi?). https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/available/ Carrasco and Walker: 1-13, 6.63 in the second half last year. I definitely still have... concerns.

kcmets Nov 29 2021 07:19 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

=seawolf17 post_id=81938 time=1638191917 user_id=91] IF this happens, and IF deGrom is healthy, holy shit at the top of this rotation next year. (We're going to play .400 baseball because the other three starters will still be terrible, but hey, whaddya gonna do.)

IF the team starts scoring runs for deGrom in 2022 too.

seawolf17 Nov 29 2021 07:25 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

That's a good point. We'll lose the first two games 1-0 and 2-1, then lose the next three 8-4, 10-7, and 13-9. Baseball!

Lefty Specialist Nov 29 2021 07:34 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Edgy MD wrote: Reports seem to suggest things were a moment away, and then no updates for the last hour. To bed. Boras is going to need a little time to take the Mets offer to the Dodgers and try to get them to top it. Yeah, this. Scherzer doesn't want to play for the Mets. If they give him $30 million or $60 million more than anyone else, sure, but if offers are even remotely comparable there's no way he's coming to Queens. It's Uncle Steve's money, but I wish he'd show Stroman a little [CROSSOUT]cash[/CROSSOUT] love.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 29 2021 07:42 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Anthony DiComo wrote: MLB Network insider Jon Heyman tweeted Monday morning that the Mets have approved of Scherzer's medicals, but they "remain in wait mode on their top target."

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 29 2021 07:54 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

This sounds to me like they're destined to be left at the altar. Which is fine I suppose. I like Scherzer tho. I saw him irl one time and the effect of his different-colored eyes was spooky

Edgy MD Nov 29 2021 08:11 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Edgy MD wrote: Reports seem to suggest things were a moment away, and then no updates for the last hour. To bed. Boras is going to need a little time to take the Mets offer to the Dodgers and try to get them to top it. In all my years in baseball, I've never heard of anything so shockingly unprofessional!

Centerfield Nov 29 2021 08:24 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Day 2 is less fun.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 29 2021 08:24 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Max is on the west coast just chilling, enjoying his morning coffee while everyone else is refreshing twitter every 2 seconds for the last 12 hours... FUN THIS IS FUN GODDAMIT

Bob Alpacadaca Nov 29 2021 09:50 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Nov. 29, 10:36 a.m. The Mets are re-engaged in talks with Max Scherzer, with negotiations coming to a head, reports SNY's Andy Martino. Martino reported on Sunday that the Mets had offered Scherzer roughly $42 million per year over three or four years. With the CBA expiring on Dec. 1 and a lockout likely looming, Scherzer is expected to make his free agent decision at some point on Monday. As the Mets have been negotiating with Scherzer, two of their other pitching targets -- Kevin Gausman and Jon Gray -- have signed elsewhere. Gausman landed with the Toronto Blue Jays and Gray signed with the Texas Rangers. According to Martino, if the Mets don't wind up with Scherzer, they are likely to turn to the trade market to fill their starting rotation need. Guess there is something they don't like about Stroman, or his asking price is too high.

metsmarathon Nov 29 2021 09:52 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: Nov. 29, 10:36 a.m. The Mets are re-engaged in talks with Max Scherzer, with negotiations coming to a head, reports SNY's Andy Martino. Martino reported on Sunday that the Mets had offered Scherzer roughly $42 million per year over three or four years. With the CBA expiring on Dec. 1 and a lockout likely looming, Scherzer is expected to make his free agent decision at some point on Monday. As the Mets have been negotiating with Scherzer, two of their other pitching targets -- Kevin Gausman and Jon Gray -- have signed elsewhere. Gausman landed with the Toronto Blue Jays and Gray signed with the Texas Rangers. According to Martino, if the Mets don't wind up with Scherzer, they are likely to turn to the trade market to fill their starting rotation need. Guess there is something they don't like about Stroman, or his asking price is too high. that kinda sucks if so. i really like stroman, and would hope they could bring him back. hell, i want him back even if we get max.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 29 2021 10:04 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Believe t'was the poet Thomas Petty who sayeth so divinely, "The waiting is the hardest part."

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 29 2021 10:06 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Sounds like it's gonna happen

kcmets Nov 29 2021 10:09 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Not sure if I buy the Stroman-Mets-disinterest slant being thrown around on some fronts. I think there's a pecking order to these things and right now the pecking is on Max. Watch if they don't land him and then sign Stro' everyone's gonna be all they settled for second best option. I want Stro' back either way the Max things go (just for posting posterity sake)

A Boy Named Seo Nov 29 2021 10:10 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Wow, Max for 3 years, $130M. It happened.

kcmets Nov 29 2021 10:11 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Sounds like it's gonna happen 3 years @ a buck-thirty?

kcmets Nov 29 2021 10:11 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Wow, Max for 3 years, $130M. It happened. Beat me by 'that much!'

nymr83 Nov 29 2021 10:17 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Spend that money Steve! Luxury tax thresholds are for suckers named 'Wilpon'

The Hot Corner Nov 29 2021 10:21 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Lefty Specialist wrote: It's Uncle Steve's money, but I wish he'd show Stroman a little [CROSSOUT]cash[/CROSSOUT] love. My thoughts exactly. Stro, at least from his own tweets, wants to be a Met (I don't think Scherzer really does). The longer the Scherzer deal drags on without resolution, the more I feel he will be signing elsewhere. As the Mets spend all their time and energy trying to close with Max, the more they may see the other options (Stroman, Ray, & Rodon) disappearing from the market in this, race against the clock, signing frenzy.

Ceetar Nov 29 2021 10:31 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Well all indication is the owners are going to mandate that they can't sign anyone else after Wednesday night, so might have to wait around regardless. But they still desperately NEED Stroman, or someone of that caliber. Even if this Scherzer thing finalizes. They probably still need a Matz type AFTER that too.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 29 2021 10:33 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

The last 3 bats the Mets signed will be in their age 33 season and Max will be 37, so they're outlandishly in "win now" mode, so I say fuck it, throw Stro some dough (and Javy while you're at it).

Lefty Specialist Nov 29 2021 10:38 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Yeah, they're all in with this move. Not crazy about this deal but it's better than sitting on their hands I guess. I'm not looking forward to Max's age 39 season, though.

The Hot Corner Nov 29 2021 10:52 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

The Hot Corner wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: It's Uncle Steve's money, but I wish he'd show Stroman a little [CROSSOUT]cash[/CROSSOUT] love. My thoughts exactly. Stro, at least from his own tweets, wants to be a Met (I don't think Scherzer really does). The longer the Scherzer deal drags on without resolution, the more I feel he will be signing elsewhere. As the Mets spend all their time and energy trying to close with Max, the more they may see the other options (Stroman, Ray, & Rodon) disappearing from the market in this, race against the clock, signing frenzy. Wow, while I was posting the above. The Scherzer deal is being announced as imminent by many sources. Though, MLB.com and ESPN have neither declared it a done deal ("finalizing") as of this moment.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 29 2021 11:58 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

The only thing that bothers me about the 40 or 43 million dollars a year is that I'm not making 40 or 43 million dollars a year.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 29 2021 12:02 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

I'd be happy with half that! Or one percent of that.

Edgy MD Nov 29 2021 12:18 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

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Lefty Specialist Nov 29 2021 12:24 PM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Yeah, I could probably get by on $433,333 a year. Apparently other teams weren't willing to go for three years and nobody wanted to match the AAV. So money talks. Still need another starting pitcher, though. DeGrom/Scherzer, then a big dropoff to Walker/Carrasco/Megill or Peterson is not enough to get you through 162.

metsmarathon Dec 02 2021 08:30 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

so with stroman out of the picture, and there seemingly being a need for, if not a reliable #3 pitcher, at least a #3 with potential.... where do the mets turn next? or are they done? the next two pitchers out there are rodon and kershaw. kershaw would be delightful if healthy, but i don't know how healthy he could be. is that the kind of move where, hey if it works, we kick ass, and if not, we're still got depth available in all the other guys we have? either way, between the work ethic and attitude, i feel like we'd have a hell of clubhouse. next up down the line are KH Kim, Grienke, and.. uh... yusei kikuchi or... yeesh.. michael pineda. or do you think we'd pivot and look to make a trade, perhaps for a luis castillo from the reds? you tell me.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2021 09:02 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

I think they'll try to sign the best of whoever remains. And a trade isn't out of the question either. I doubt they'll trade prospects like Mauricio or Baty or Alvarez, but would be more inclined to trade from the big league roster, guys like Smith or McNeil or Davis.

bmfc1 Dec 02 2021 09:15 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Yusei Kikuchi appears to be on their radar. He's a LH SP, was good enough to make the AL All-Star team, and then faded enough to be left off the Mariners' playoff roster. I have some knowledge of him as he was on my fantasy team for a good part of last year (he faded enough that I cut him). He was indeed great and then, erratic, and then bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusei_Kikuchi https://www.fangraphs.com/players/yusei-kikuchi/20633/stats?position=P

Centerfield Dec 02 2021 09:20 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Rodon sounds like he has some upside, though there are questions about his health. Kikuchi was pretty good before the new ball/sticky stuff fiasco. Both lefties. Both throw hard, but I think the peripherals on Kikuchi are kinda yucky.

duan Dec 02 2021 10:28 AM Re: Hurry Up and Take the Pitcher Already

Most projection things will tell you that Carrasco should be a decent number 3. It's more to be sure we have the depth to have 3/4 more possible started for 6,7 & 8 and we haven't got Jared Eikhoff types getting however many starts he did.