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IGT: 4/23/06, Mets @ Padres, Zambrano v. Hensley

abogdan Apr 23 2006 03:31 PM

Mets: Matsui, 2B LoDuca, C Delgado, 1B Wright, 3B Floyd, LF Nady, RF Woodward, SS Chavez, CF Zambrano, P Padres: Roberts, LF Barfield, 2B Giles, RF Gonzalez, 1B Cameron, CF Castilla, 3B Greene, SS Mirabelli, C Hensley, P

Johnny Dickshot Apr 23 2006 03:32 PM

Reyes needs a day off.

OlerudOwned Apr 23 2006 03:33 PM

So much for Piazza going for #400 vs. the Mets. Reyes benched after slumping. Still no Beltran.

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 03:49 PM

Good to see Cameron back. In an interview with Eddie C. on the pregame show, he sounded a little apprehensive to be back though... "everytime I see a couple guys coming near each other, I cringe a little..."

seawolf17 Apr 23 2006 04:07 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: So much for Piazza going for #400 vs. the Mets. Never underestimate the power of the dramatic pinch-hit home run. It is good to see Cameron back.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 04:14 PM

Zambrano still sucks it seems, byebye ball

Zvon Apr 23 2006 04:15 PM

Zambi allows an 0-2 homer. Not good. 1-0 Pads

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 04:19 PM

nice play in the hole by woodward, matsui stayed in there against a slide and got hte throw off but not in time for 2.

Bret Sabermetric Apr 23 2006 04:21 PM

Matsui currently at .300 for the year. Mark this moment down. He's due up next in about twenty minutes.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 04:23 PM

Nymr83 wrote: nice play in the hole by woodward, matsui stayed in there against a slide and got hte throw off but not in time for 2. very nice play by Woody. We could have gotten that call at 1st too..... We need a lil offense. OW- i just saw that replay of Wright getting hit by the pitch last night.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 23 2006 04:25 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 23 2006 04:26 PM

Keith apologizes. Awkward silence follows.

Bret Sabermetric Apr 23 2006 04:26 PM

Hernandez apologizes for "inappropriate" comments about the broad on the bench last night, and then promptly cites chapter and verse of the rules specifically prohibiting anyone other than specific personnel (players, managers, trainer and assistant trainer), regardless of gender, being on the bench. "I sincerely apologize but, technically, fuck you."

mlbaseballtalk Apr 23 2006 04:26 PM

Zvon wrote: Zambi allows an 0-2 homer. Not good. 1-0 Pads Ugh, trade him for...(fill in the blank at this point)

Rockin' Doc Apr 23 2006 04:28 PM

Trying CBSsportsline.com Game Center upon Frayed Knots mention in the thread for yesterday's game. Rather generic looking compared to ESPN and MLB, but I do like seeing the complete boxscore (both teams hitting and pitching stats) at the same time as they unfold. It has all the basic information one could want and seems to move along pretty quickly.

mlbaseballtalk Apr 23 2006 04:28 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Hernandez apologizes for "inappropriate" comments about the broad on the bench last night, and then promptly cites chapter and verse of the rules specifically prohibiting anyone other than specific personnel (players, managers, trainer and assistant trainer), regardless of gender, being on the bench. "I sincerely apologize but, technically, fuck you." Wouldn't she be specific personnel though? As an assistant trainer for the Pads? I mean she was wearing the same garb that Met training staff usually wear

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 04:29 PM

Zvon wrote: OW- i just saw that replay of Wright getting hit by the pitch last night. Howie Rose reports that Wright was asked if he thought the plunk was intentional after stealing a base when the Mets were up by 5. Wright said he didn't think so.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 04:29 PM

and if Keith Hernandez had quoted he rulebook last night without bringing up her gender he'd be 100% right. But in the context of an apology it's the wrong time to read the rule. You could have apologized and then had your partner casually mention the rule (since I'm sure the "apology" was ordered from above anyway.)

Zvon Apr 23 2006 04:29 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Hernandez apologizes for "inappropriate" comments about the broad on the bench last night, and then promptly cites chapter and verse of the rules specifically prohibiting anyone other than specific personnel (players, managers, trainer and assistant trainer), regardless of gender, being on the bench. "I sincerely apologize but, technically, fuck you." I missed this --must be from last nights game, huh? So Keith had a problem with this babe, or what? What did he say last night?

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 04:31 PM

]Wouldn't she be specific personnel though? As an assistant trainer for the Pads? I mean she was wearing the same garb that Met training staff usually wear no, because the head trainer and assidtant trainer are allowed (thats 2 trainers), she was a 3rd "trainer", which isn't allowed.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 04:34 PM

a somewhat smoother 2nd inning for Victor :)

mlbaseballtalk Apr 23 2006 04:34 PM

Nymr83 wrote: ]Wouldn't she be specific personnel though? As an assistant trainer for the Pads? I mean she was wearing the same garb that Met training staff usually wear no, because the head trainer and assidtant trainer are allowed (thats 2 trainers), she was a 3rd "trainer", which isn't allowed. Ahhhh, never mind...

TransMonk Apr 23 2006 04:35 PM

I love Keith's honesty...it is refreshingly different for an announcer to actually speak his mind (even if it's not PC). Anyone offended by what an ex-player says about anything not having to do with baseball is just as boneheaded as the ex-player who says the comment. I really doubt the opinons of Keith are really going to effect the overall battle of the sexes in American society. If they do, than we have bigger problems.

mlbaseballtalk Apr 23 2006 04:36 PM

Zvon wrote: ="Bret Sabermetric"]Hernandez apologizes for "inappropriate" comments about the broad on the bench last night, and then promptly cites chapter and verse of the rules specifically prohibiting anyone other than specific personnel (players, managers, trainer and assistant trainer), regardless of gender, being on the bench. "I sincerely apologize but, technically, fuck you." I missed this --must be from last nights game, huh? So Keith had a problem with this babe, or what? What did he say last night? The way it came out, it sounded like Keith was saying she as a woman should not have been on the bench in a diatribe against non-specific personnel, it just came out as a bit sexist

mlbaseballtalk Apr 23 2006 04:38 PM

TransMonk wrote: I love Keith's honesty...it is refreshingly different for an announcer to actually speak his mind (even if it's not PC). Anyone offended by what an ex-player says about anything not having to do with baseball is just as boneheaded as the ex-player who says the comment. I really doubt the opinons of Keith are really going to effect the overall battle of the sexes in American society. If they do, than we have bigger problems. I heard the comments played on a local ESPN sportscenter radio update. But dollars to doughnuts I bet the update guy only did that to tweak the Mets, and if Bobby Murcer did it, the comment would not have been replayed.

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 04:39 PM

God, Endy, take a freaking pitch.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 04:42 PM

mlbaseballtalk wrote: ="Zvon"] ="Bret Sabermetric"]Hernandez apologizes for "inappropriate" comments about the broad on the bench last night, and then promptly cites chapter and verse of the rules specifically prohibiting anyone other than specific personnel (players, managers, trainer and assistant trainer), regardless of gender, being on the bench. "I sincerely apologize but, technically, fuck you." I missed this --must be from last nights game, huh? So Keith had a problem with this babe, or what? What did he say last night? The way it came out, it sounded like Keith was saying she as a woman should not have been on the bench in a diatribe against non-specific personnel, it just came out as a bit sexist shame on Keith. *Z plays his lil violin* He didnt really say just cuz she's a woman, right? I love the way these things get digested and then spit out again. He did pick the one who was unqualified to be there correctly, did he not?

mlbaseballtalk Apr 23 2006 04:46 PM

He did say "What is that girl doing in the dugout?" though, making it seem that he was going after her as a woman though at first. The reporter on the update I heard this morning after playing Hernandez's "thats distracting" quote said "Sure, its distracting Keith" so its been interpreted as Keith being sexist

abogdan Apr 23 2006 04:47 PM

]He didnt really say just cuz she's a woman, right? It was heavily implied. He said something along the lines of, "I'm not saying women belong only in the kitchen, but . . ." I don't remember exactly what all of his comments were, but the general impression I received was the he was expressing his complete shock that a woman was sitting in a MLB dugout wearing a uniform. Even if it was an ugly Padres camouflage one.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 04:49 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 23 2006 04:53 PM

well, I guess they'll spin it however they see fit. Good job by Hernandez to nip it in the bud. LoDuca isnt looking like no defensive upgrade behind the plate. Passball.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 04:51 PM

abogdan wrote: He said something along the lines of, "I'm not saying women belong only in the kitchen, but . . ." . So he aint sexist. Just has a bad sense of appropriete humor

ScarletKnight41 Apr 23 2006 04:52 PM

The way that Nady catches the ball makes me nervous - I wish he would use both hands to make sure he has control of the ball.

mlbaseballtalk Apr 23 2006 04:52 PM

It started when Piazza hit his homer and was being congratulated in the dugout, Keith went "What is that girl doing in the dugout" before knowing that she wasn't really supposed to be there, I think thats how it started seeming like Keith was being sexist. If Keith was told "Thats the Padres trainer" or something he would have backed down

Zvon Apr 23 2006 04:54 PM

mlbaseballtalk wrote: It started when Piazza hit his homer and was being congratulated in the dugout, Keith went "What is that girl doing in the dugout" before knowing that she wasn't really supposed to be there, I think thats how it started seeming like Keith was being sexist. If Keith was told "Thats the Padres trainer" or something he would have backed down I doubt he thought the Pad's allowed groupies on the bench.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 23 2006 04:58 PM

Kaz pops out to third. I think the scouting report on Matsui's gotta be "get ahead in the count early with breaking balls, and then just keep throwing more breaking pitches anyway". He's scalded a few balls so far, but they seem to have been on fastballs when he's gotten ahead and taken the pitcher to a 3-ball count.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 05:00 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Kaz pops out to third. I think the scouting report on Matsui's gotta be "get ahead in the count early with breaking balls, and then just keep throwing more breaking pitches anyway". He's scalded a few balls so far, but they seem to have been on fastballs when he's gotten ahead and taken the pitcher to a 3-ball count. Kaz just throws the bat a the outside curve. Hes gotta either lay off that pitch or go with it.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 05:04 PM

Come on Floyd. A single plates 2

Rockin' Doc Apr 23 2006 05:07 PM

Floyd flies out to end the threat.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 05:08 PM

i thought he hit that one a mile, but a mile just isn't far enough on this field.

seawolf17 Apr 23 2006 05:15 PM

Dammit, Victor. Throw a fucking strike.

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 05:17 PM

Bases loaded for Giles = not good times. Bad times.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 23 2006 05:18 PM

FuckShit! A Grand Slam for Giles :(

Johnny Dickshot Apr 23 2006 05:18 PM

Jeezus. 2 out and nobody on and now this.

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 05:19 PM

You could see that one coming a long way off. Dammit Victor.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 05:19 PM

Victor Zambrano is a fuckin train wreck. he gives up single to the pitcher, a walk to roberts because he's afraid to challenge a singles-hitter, he falls behind on giles with the bases loaded and BANG, 5-0 Padres.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 05:19 PM

ouch

MFS62 Apr 23 2006 05:20 PM

How did we not know that was coming? Both Gileses (Brian and Marcus) torment the Mets. Later

seawolf17 Apr 23 2006 05:21 PM

They could trade Victor Zambrano for Ty Wigginton's jockstrap right now and it'd be a good trade.

Bret Sabermetric Apr 23 2006 05:29 PM

seawolf17 wrote: They could trade Victor Zambrano for Ty Wigginton's jockstrap right now and it'd be a good trade. No, no, it's Julio they need to trade for Wiggy's jock; Zambrano goes for Scott Kazmir's undergarments.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 05:38 PM

This stinks, we could have taken 3/4 this weekend and all 4 if we didn't start Zambrano and could score a run.

Bret Sabermetric Apr 23 2006 05:40 PM

If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a tricycle.

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 05:41 PM

Nymr83 wrote: This stinks, we could have taken 3/4 this weekend and all 4 if we didn't start Zambrano and could score a run. Lot of baseball left to play today. Padres bullpen isn't exactly the quality of the Mets' pen either.

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 05:42 PM

Wright's gotta get at least a run home with a runner at 3rd and 1 out. Striking out = not acceptable.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 05:43 PM

Wright with a nice infield single, lets get a few moire...

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 05:44 PM

Nice spot for Floyd to start breaking out of the slump right here.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 05:45 PM

its 5-2 on a dunked in single by Floyd and Delgado then stopped at 3B and then ran home on bad fielding.

Rockin' Doc Apr 23 2006 05:50 PM

A hit by Nady would be huge here with Woodie and Chavez due next. The big guns have to come through.

Rockin' Doc Apr 23 2006 05:52 PM

Now it's up to Woodie as Nady pops up in foul territory.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 05:53 PM

Chavez with the bags loaded...

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 05:53 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 23 2006 05:55 PM

I hope Beltran is well enough to play in the field. REALLY need a pinch hitter here. Edit: Chavez making me eat my words.

Rockin' Doc Apr 23 2006 05:54 PM

Woodie walks and now it's up to Endy "Hey what's this bat for anyway?" Chavez to try to drive in the runners. Damn.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 05:55 PM

2-run single for Endy Chavez! Padre fans gotta be livid at that 0-2 pitch.

TransMonk Apr 23 2006 05:56 PM

Beltran who?

Rockin' Doc Apr 23 2006 05:56 PM

Miracle of miracles, Chavez comes through with a 2 run single.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 05:57 PM

Reyes punch-hitting for the pitche, i'd have used Franco here.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 05:58 PM

....but i guess it doesnt matter who bats when the pitcher can't find the plate, ball 4 to Reyes, its Matsui with the bases loaded and we'll have a pitching change.

TheOldMole Apr 23 2006 05:58 PM

Reyes really seems to have learned how to look over a pitch.

abogdan Apr 23 2006 05:58 PM

Two RBIs for Endy Chavez!?!? Jose Reyes draws a walk!?!? What type of alternate universe have we fallen into?

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 05:59 PM

I think Reyes may wind up staying in the game on some sort of double switch.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 06:00 PM

Gwreck wrote: I think Reyes may wind up staying in the game on some sort of double switch. makes sense, put the pitcher in Matsui's spot.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 06:00 PM

="TheOldMole"]Reyes really seems to have learned how to look over a pitch. yep, and off the bench too. Gotta like it.

Rockin' Doc Apr 23 2006 06:02 PM

I can't believe the Padres are taking Cassidy out. I really liked him. Now Embry comes. Would Willie let Julio Franco pinch hit here then leave Reyes in to play SS and move Woodie to second? Apparently not.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 06:03 PM

go ahead and walk him Embree.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 06:04 PM

Matsui strikes out with the bases loaded, inning over. It has got to be a shitty feeling for a guy to make 2 outs in 1 inning when his team is losing.

abogdan Apr 23 2006 06:04 PM

Ugh. Hernandez would have gotten a hit there. Keith Hernandez, that is. Andy would have hit a swining bunt to the pitcher.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 23 2006 06:04 PM

And Kaz got all fastballs that AB. Damn it.

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 06:04 PM

SHIT! Still, we're back in it.

Rockin' Doc Apr 23 2006 06:04 PM

Matsui goes down swinging. It's a whole new ball game now ladies and gentleman.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 06:05 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: I can't believe the Padres are taking Cassidy out. I really liked him. Now Embry comes. Would Willie let Julio Franco pinch hit here then leave Reyes in to play SS and move Woodie to second? Apparently not. How bout Woody goes to second and reyes goes to short. Kaz sits.

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 06:05 PM

Especially with that K, Willie needs to double-switch here, keeping Reyes in, Woody to second. Edit: and he does.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 23 2006 06:09 PM

Wright's girlfriend musta broke up with him.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 06:09 PM

Wright gives em a free pass. Ya gotta make those plays David

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 06:15 PM

Fuck. they got another one. Is Wright hurt? Announcers pointed out that he didn't reach down for that ball well, which is EXACTLY what i'd expect with a groin injury.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 06:17 PM

I love submarine pitchers.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 06:19 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Wright's girlfriend musta broke up with him. ....and she injured his groin first. ;) Errors kill, and that run was big.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 06:26 PM

Nice double by Wright. Wow-well played by Cameron.

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 06:26 PM

C'mon Cliff. Let's get this one tied.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 06:28 PM

Floyd strands the runner at 2nd, this hasn't been a pretty season for him so far.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 06:29 PM

Gwreck wrote: C'mon Cliff. Let's get this one tied. ugh, he dribbles out.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 06:31 PM

retire Piazza' number? I dont think so.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 06:34 PM

Hernandez very non-commital on # retirements, he doesnt want to get in more trouble! Reyes nice stop but no throw.

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 06:38 PM

Zvon wrote: retire Piazza' number? I dont think so. Count on it, esp. when Piazza becomes the second* Met in the hall of fame. * Met hat on plaque; primary accomplishments as a Met

Gwreck Apr 23 2006 06:52 PM

Julio time.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 06:55 PM

Gwreck wrote: ="Zvon"]retire Piazza' number? I dont think so. Count on it, esp. when Piazza becomes the second* Met in the hall of fame. * Met hat on plaque; primary accomplishments as a Met If he goes into the Hall with a Met hat on, and he should, your probobly right.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 07:04 PM

Julio looks decent. Reyes leads off..... Who hits for Julio?

Zvon Apr 23 2006 07:09 PM

Old man river, and he bloops a single. Oldest player to hit a bloop single in the history of the game.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 23 2006 07:11 PM

This game jumped the shark when Paul "Ideal No. 2 Hitter" LoDuca GIDPed with nobody out in the first inning. Oh well.

Bret Sabermetric Apr 23 2006 07:13 PM

They battled.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 07:13 PM

Well, it ends in a split series. Could have been worse. But id like to see the Mets take these series against teams like San Diego. Beltran isnt even available to pinch hit?

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 07:14 PM

]This game jumped the shark when Paul "Ideal No. 2 Hitter" LoDuca GIDPed with nobody out in the first inning. or when the Mets pulled to within 5-4 and had the bases loaded and someone struck out on all fastballs.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 07:14 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: They battled. he's not here anymore, keep up.

Zvon Apr 23 2006 07:15 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: This game jumped the shark when Paul "Ideal No. 2 Hitter" LoDuca GIDPed with nobody out in the first inning. Oh well. I saw that, and thought that, but the grand slam off Zamby was the slammer.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2006 07:15 PM

Zvon wrote: Beltran isnt even available to pinch hit? available to hit but not play CF which ended up ok because he'd have been used for Chavez with 2 on when Chavez ended up singling.

Lundy Apr 24 2006 11:32 AM

Listened to some of the San Diego radio broadcast of this one. They referred to the top of the ninth as "Trevor Time." Not only that, "Trevor Time" was sponsored.