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POTG Poll Totals

Rockin' Doc
Apr 22 2006 05:12 PM
Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Apr 24 2006 07:45 AM

I am compiling the POTG Poll totals for the season. I decided to count any nomination as a single point. This is to allow players that often turn in good performances, only to be outdone by a teammate, to garner recognition for their contribution. Also, this format seems to overlook relievers. Their contributions do not often garner them POTG votes. So the POTG Poll Points are the sum of the nominations for the player and the number of votes garnered by the player.

This is also my first attempt at making a table in HTML code. So I hope this works. Without further ado, I present the POTG Poll Standing for all games through 4/16/06.

POTG Poll Totals through 4/16/06

Player NameNominationsPOTG VotesPOTG Points
Tom Glavine33336
David Wright62430
Carlos Delgado72027
Brian Bannister32326
Xavier Nady51722
Pedro Martinez11819
Carlos Beltran71118
Jose Reyes41014
Steve Trachsel178
Paul LoDuca516
Chad Bradford145
Ramon Castro134
Duaner Sanchez314
Cliff Floyd123
Aaron Heilman101
Billy Wagner101
Chris Woodward101

Rockin' Doc
Apr 22 2006 05:17 PM

Damn! So close and yet so far. Do any of the more computer literate (Yancey, KC, Edgy, et al) know why the table went under my signature rather than with the body of the message? I'm clueless.

Also, is it always so tedious to have to type in all the line of code like I had to or is there a short cut that I'm not yet aware of?

Rockin' Doc
Apr 22 2006 05:19 PM

Okay, this thread is seriously messed up. I will fix it when someone can give me a clue what I have done wrong.

Or one of the admins can fix it when they get a chance.

Rockin' Doc
Apr 22 2006 05:26 PM

I finally figured out my error. I forgot to close the table formatting with (/Table)*

*where <> is substituted for ( ) above.

cooby
Apr 22 2006 07:04 PM

Nice job!

Rockin' Doc
Apr 24 2006 07:58 AM

POTG Poll standings for the season updated for all games through 4/21/06. Next updat will be at the end of the month when the April POTG Polls Player of the Month will be unveiled. Cliff Floyd really needs to start moving up this list.

POTG Poll Totals through 4/21/06

Player NameNominationsPOTG VotesPOTG Points
Tom Glavine44549
Carlos Delgado103242
Xavier Nady72734
David Wright72431
Brian Bannister42428
Pedro Martinez22123
Carlos Beltran71118
Jose Reyes61117
Steve Trachsel21113
Julio Franco11011
Pedro Feliciano11011
Paul LoDuca628
Chris Woodard347
Duaner Sanchez527
Ramon Castro246
Chad Bradford145
Kaz Matsui145
Billy Wagner314
Cliff Floyd123
Jorge Julio123
Aaron Heilman303

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 24 2006 09:49 AM

This is a new counting method, isn't it? It seems that the scoring will be influenced by the number of people who vote, which can be independent of what happens on the field. A game that 25 people vote for will be weighted more heavily than a game that 12 people vote for.

Rockin' Doc
Apr 24 2006 01:14 PM

I truthfully don't know how it was done in the past. The polls died out last year and we went exclusively with the Schaeffer POTG system. I understand what you are saying and have noticed such deviations in the voting occurring at times. Some games, there have only been 12 votes and other games there have been as many as 27 votes cast. The voter turn out definitely seems to be higher in Mets victories.

I'm not sure how to alleviate the problem, but I'm open to suggestions. The best I can think of at present is to divide the total number of points each player receives for a given game by the total number of points available for that particular game. If anyone has a better idea, I'm willing to listen.

I'm curious to see how the results of the polls and the Schaeffer voting compare over the course of the season.

metsmarathon
Apr 24 2006 01:42 PM

shouldn't it be just % of vote per game, added up for each game?

or, more simply, a count of how many times a given player wins a game?

or, more complicatedly, you could set it up similar to MVP voiting, where the top getter gets, say 5 points, and the lowest gets 1, depending, of course, on if you have 5 nominees for a game.

the total number of votes per game should remain a constant.

Willets Point
Apr 26 2006 11:46 AM

When I did this and Edgy before me I believe points were tallied in the following manner:


Points for nomination: 1 point for position player, 3 points for pitchers
ex. players nominated for last night's game
Floyd - 1 point
Nady - 1 point
Reyes - 1 point
Sanchez - 3 points
Trachsel - points


Percentage of votes converted into a decimal number.
ex. Tom Glavine gets 55% of the vote so he gets 5.5 points

Bonus of 1 point to the player who wins the most votes.

An additional bonus of 1 point for a player who wins.

An example of how to tally everyone up using the 4/20 game v. the Padres.

Who was last night's POTG?
Delgado 2-4, HR, R, 2 RBI
5%
5% [ 1 ]
Franco 1-1, HR, R, RBI
50%
50% [ 10 ]
Matsui 1-4, HR, R, RBI, & a sweet turn on a DP
20%
20% [ 4 ]
Reyes 2-5, R, SB
5%
5% [ 1 ]
Trachsel 6 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 3 K, 2 BB
20%
20% [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 20


Delgado: 1 + 0.5 = 1.5
Franco: 1 + 5 + 1 = 7
Matsui: 1 + 2 = 3
Reyes: 1 + 0.5 = 1.5
Traschel: 3 + 2= 5


Of course you may do it any way you like but this formula works pretty well to account for waxing & waning of voter participation and to correct a bias against pitching.

Rockin' Doc
Apr 26 2006 07:07 PM

Willets, thanks for the explaination of the scoring methodology from years past. I will make changes to my spreadsheet and recalculate the points. I will post the new standings at the end of the month when the Player of the Month is honored.

I'm not sure that there is as strong a bias against pitchers as people believe. At least for starting pitchers, if they perform well they often garner the lion's share of the votes cast for a game. Glavine, Bannister, and Martinez are all in the top 6 vote getters at this early juncture. It is the relievers that often fail to get their due in this format.

For historical consistency, I will follow the same basic formula as in the past.

Rockin' Doc
May 08 2006 12:49 PM
POTG Beer Poll for April 2006

Please join me in hoisting a cold one in honor of the Beer Poll Player of the Month for April 2006 - Tom Glavine.



POTG Poll Totals through 4/30/06

Player NamePOTG Points
Tom Glavine21.44928
Carlos Delgado14.49275
Pedro Martinez14.49275
David Wright14.49275
Brian Bannister13.04348
Xavier Nady11.59420
Steve Trachsel7.82609
Carlos Beltran7.53623
Jose Reyes6.95652
Duaner Sanchez6.66667
Julio Franco4.92754
Ramon Castro4.34783
Kaz Matsui4.34783
Endy Chavez4.05797
Pedro Feliciano4.05797
Paul LoDuca3.76812
Billy Wagner3.76812
Aaron Heilman3.47826
Cliff Floyd2.60870
Chad Bradford2.31884
Chris Woodward2.02899
Jorge Julio1.44928


I recalculated the point totals utilizing a slight variation of the example Willets Point gave me earlier in this thread. The scores closely resemble the percentage of the total votes cast in all the polls. I think there exists a mild bias in favor of the pitchers due to the 3 to 1 advantage for a nomination, but we'll see how it plays out over the course of the season.

I'm interested to see how the results of the polls will compare to the Schaefer voting during the course of the season.


Edited: I forgot Chris Woodward the first time through.

Gwreck
May 08 2006 04:17 PM

I'm a little surprised by a couple of the results. Heilman in particular seems too low, especially considering who's ahead of him -- ie. Franco, whose April contributions were basically one heroic homer, and a couple of hits here and here.

Yancy Street Gang
May 08 2006 04:22 PM

For those who care to compare, the Schaefer results for April can be found here:

http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=3223

Willets Point
May 08 2006 04:30 PM

Anyone have the html skilz to put the two lists side by side?

Yancy Street Gang
May 08 2006 04:37 PM

Month-to-date totals for April 2006
Through game of April 30, 2006
RankNamePoints
1Tom Glavine21.48
2Carlos Delgado19.70
3David Wright18.85
4Pedro Martinez17.49
5Xavier Nady14.77
6José Reyes13.49
7Brian Bannister12.69
8Carlos Beltran11.85
9Steve Trachsel10.14
10Duaner Sanchez10.02
11Paul Lo Duca9.52
12Cliff Floyd7.63
13Billy Wagner7.55
14Aaron Heilman5.94
15Endy Chavez4.52
15Ramon Castro4.52
17Chris Woodward4.03
18Kaz Matsui3.83
19Julio Franco3.48
20Darren Oliver3.41
21Pedro Feliciano3.30
22Jorge Julio2.27
23Chad Bradford1.67
24Anderson Hernandez0.57
25Victor Zambrano0.42
26Victor Diaz0.32
27José Valentin0.11

POTG Poll Totals through 4/30/06
Player NamePOTG Points
Tom Glavine21.44928
Carlos Delgado14.49275
Pedro Martinez14.49275
David Wright14.49275
Brian Bannister13.04348
Xavier Nady11.59420
Steve Trachsel7.82609
Carlos Beltran7.53623
Jose Reyes6.95652
Duaner Sanchez6.66667
Julio Franco4.92754
Ramon Castro4.34783
Kaz Matsui4.34783
Endy Chavez4.05797
Pedro Feliciano4.05797
Paul LoDuca3.76812
Billy Wagner3.76812
Aaron Heilman3.47826
Cliff Floyd2.60870
Chad Bradford2.31884
Chris Woodward2.02899
Jorge Julio1.44928

Yancy Street Gang
May 08 2006 04:56 PM

At a glance, it seems that the Schaefer method acknowledged more players, and was friendlier to Reyes, Floyd, Wagner, Heilman, and Lo Duca, but less friendly to Castro, Matsui, and Franco.

Rockin' Doc
May 08 2006 06:14 PM

Gwreck - "I'm a little surprised by a couple of the results. Heilman in particular seems too low, especially considering who's ahead of him -- ie. Franco, whose April contributions were basically one heroic homer, and a couple of hits here and here."

I agree, but I just tally the votes as recorded by the members. I will likely play around with the scoring system a little in my spare time.

Rockin' Doc
May 08 2006 06:48 PM

Yancy - "At a glance, it seems that the Schaefer method acknowledged more players, and was friendlier to Reyes, Floyd, Wagner, Heilman, and Lo Duca, but less friendly to Castro, Matsui, and Franco."

I think some of the discrepancies occur for the following reasons:
1. With only one vote to cast, it generally goes to the player having the best game. Generally the player getting the most votes in a poll is the same player getting the most Schaeffer points on the ballots for that game.

2. Being able to vote for only the most outstanding player, there is no room to recognize other players that made lesser (yet still important) contributions to the Mets cause in the game. As a result fewer players get recognition. For instance, Reyes was second on the team in nominations with 10, yet he only received 13 votes for the month. Floyd was nominated 5 times, yet he received only six votes all month.

3. One outstanding performance (as in the case of Julio Franco and Chad Bradford) can lead to a landslide victory in which the player garners virtually all of the votes registered. One or two dominant performances, can significantly boost a players postion in the overall standings. Franco received only two nominations, yet he received 14 POTG votes and won the balloting in one game. Chad Bradford won the balloting in the only game he was nominated in.

4. Relievers get robbed in this format. For instance, Wagner received only one POTG vote in the month of April, while Heilman received no POTG votes.

Essentially, the Schaeffer voting better recognizes all the players that made significant contributions in the game and spreads the love. The polls are a one shot deal that essentially recognize only the player viewed as having the most outstanding game.

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 09 2006 08:36 PM

bump

cooby
Jun 09 2006 09:08 PM

]4. Relievers get robbed in this format. For instance, Wagner received only one POTG vote in the month of April, while Heilman received no POTG votes


There may gave beeb another reason fir Wagner to get just one vote

Rockin' Doc
Jun 09 2006 11:18 PM

I've been on the road quite a bit the past two weeks. I'll try to get the results through the end of May tabulated and posted this weekend.

I would appreciate Squid archiving all the Polls through the end of May if he gets the chance.

Rockin' Doc
Jun 14 2006 10:07 PM

POTG Polls Player of the Month for May

Congratulations to Carlos Beltran!

Player NamePOTG Points
Carlos Beltran18.89305
Carlos Delgado16.61017
Tom Glavine15.93220
Pedro Martinez15.59322
David Wright10.84745
Jose Valentin9.83051
Paul LoDuca9.49153
Jose Reyes8.47458
Cliff Floyd7.79661
Darren Oliver7.11864
Steve Trachsel5.76271
Endy Chavez5.42373
Duaner Sanchez5.08475
Kaz Matsui4.74576
Billy Wagner4.40678
Xavier Nady4.40678
Aaron Heilman2.71186
Victor Zambrano1.69492
Alay Soler1.35593
Chad Bradford1.35593
Pedro Feliciano1.35593
Jorge Julio1.35593
Ramon Castro0.67797
Heath Bell0.67797
Jeremi Gonzalez0.67797
Orlando Hernandez0.67797
John Maine0.67797
Julio Franco0.33898

Willets Point
Jul 18 2006 03:08 PM

Bump.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 18 2006 08:13 PM

I know I've been putting this off. I'm not as sophisticated as Yancey, so I do all the tabulating by hand. A time consuming process that I hate, but I will finish through June and post soon. Promise.

Willets Point
Jul 18 2006 09:08 PM

Take your time. This was non-judgemental bump. I was just saving the thread.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 18 2006 11:16 PM

I appreciate the bump. I often tend to procrastinate on tasks that I prefer not to do.

Tallying for June POTG Beer Polls Player of the Month is now completed. I will post the results in table form tomorrow.

Also have YTD results through 6/30/06 calculated and will post tomorrow.

Zvon
Jul 18 2006 11:30 PM

Excellent job Doc.

Appreciate your time and trouble.
Yours too Yancy.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 19 2006 09:59 PM

POTG Beer Polls Player of the Month for June

Congratulations to David Wright

Player NamePOTG Points
David Wright27.92793
Carlos Beltran19.81982
Jose Reyes18.46847
Orlando Hernandez15.31532
Alay Soler14.86486
Lastings Milledge10.81081
Tom Glavine10.81081
Carlos Delgado10.81081
Chad Bradford6.69643
Endy Chavez6.25000
Steve Trachsel5.80357
Paul LoDuca4.46429
Jose Valentin4.46429
Billy Wagner4.01786
Darren Oliver3.12500
Pedro Martinez3.12500
Heath Bell3.12500
Aaron Heilman2.67857
Pedro Feliciano2.67857
Chris Woodward2.23214
Duaner Sanchez1.78571
Xavier Nady1.33929
Eli Marrero1.33929
Cliff Floyd0.89286
Ramon Castro0.89286
Julio Franco0.44643

Elster88
Jul 20 2006 08:54 AM

Rough month for Pedro.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 22 2006 06:39 PM

POTG Beer Poll Standings - Cumulative YTD at the All Star Break

Player NamePOTG Points
David Wright17.30981
Tom Glavine15.76626
Carlos Beltran14.88423
Carlos Delgado13.67144
Jose Reyes11.13561
Pedro Martinez10.91510
Xavier Nady7.27674
Steve Trachsel6.50496
Paul LoDuca6.06395
Jose Valentin5.62293
Cliff Floyd4.52040
Brian Bannister4.41014
Duaner Sanchez4.18164
Darren Oliver3.96913
Alay Soler3.63837
Orlando Hernandez3.74862
Billy Wagner3.74862
Kazuo Matsui3.30761
Chad Bradford3.19735
Aaron Heilman2.97685
Lastings Milledge2.64609
Julio Franco2.42558
Ramon Castro2.09482
Pedro Feliciano1.87431
Chris Woodward1.43330
John Maine1.21279
Jorge Julio0.88203
Victor Zambrano0.88203
Heath Bell0.77178
Henry Owens0.44101
Eli Marrero0.33076
Mike Pelfrey0.22051

Rockin' Doc
Aug 02 2006 11:47 PM

POTG Beer Polls Player of the Month for July

Congratulations to Carlos Beltran

Player NamePOTG Points
Carlos Beltran22.16216
Jose Valentin16.75676
John Maine15.13514
Carlos Delgado14.59459
Cliff Floyd14.05405
Orlando Hernandez13.51351
Xavier Nady10.27027
David Wright9.72973
Jose Reyes9.72973
Endy Chavez9.72973
Steve Trachsel8.64865
Darren Oliver7.56757
Duaner Sanchez5.40541
Billy Wagner5.40541
Paul LoDuca4.32432
Pedro Martinez4.32432
Aaron Heilman4.32432
Chad Bradford2.70270
Tom Glavine2.70270
Heath Bell2.16216
Mike Pelfrey2.16216
Henry Owens2.16216
Julio Franco1.62162
Pedro Feliciano1.08108
Chris Woodward0.54054


Thanks to all those that cast their votes.

Rockin' Doc
Aug 04 2006 03:15 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 04 2006 04:45 PM

POTG Beer Poll Player of the Year Standings through 7/31/06

I'm not sure that many people actually care, but here are the year to date totals through the end of July.

Player NamePOTG Points
Carlos Beltran16.11969
David Wright15.73359
Carlos Delgado14.47876
Tom Glavine13.89961
Jose Reyes10.42471
Pedro Martinez10.32819
Xavier Nady7.23938
Steve Trachsel6.75676
Jose Valentin6.66023
Cliff Floyd5.98456
Endy Chavez5.98456
Paul LoDuca5.69498
Orlando Hernandez4.72973
Duaner Sanchez4.24710
Billy Wagner4.05405
Darren Oliver3.86100
Brian Bannister>3.86100
Aaron Heilman3.76448
Alay Soler3.18533
John Maine3.08880
Chad Bradford2.99228
Kaz Matsui2.89575
Lastings Milledge2.31660
Julio Franco2.22008
Ramon Castro1.83398
Pedro Feliciano1.83398
Chris Woodward1.25483
Heath Bell1.06178
Jorge Julio0.77220
Victor Zambrano0.77220
Mike Pelfrey0.38610
Henry Owens0.38610
Eli Marrero0.28958
Geremi Gonzalez0.19305
Jose Freakin' Lima0.00000
Anderson Hernandez0.00000


Upon edit: I inadvertantly had Tom Glavine and Carlos Delgado reversed in the standings, now correct.

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 04 2006 03:23 PM

Why are the numbers for July alone higher than the year-to-date numbers?

Something appears amiss.

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 04 2006 03:24 PM

I don't mean to nitpick, by the way. I realize you're doing a lot of this by hand, and I know how hard that is.

cooby
Aug 04 2006 03:25 PM

It's a test! Rockin Doc wanted to be sure we were looking!

Rockin' Doc
Aug 04 2006 04:06 PM

None of this will likely make sense, but I will try to explain my methodology as best I can.

The player scores are a static reflection of their overall accumulation of points in relation to the total number of votes cast within that period of time (year to date or single month). It is not a steady accumulation of points amassed. That is why players such as Jorge Julio and Kaz Matsui (and in the future Xavier Nady) slide down the chart when they no longer are accumulating points. Their overall contribution to the team for the year becomes a lesser ratio over time.

In attempt to clarify, a player accumulates points for a nomination (1 pt./nomination for position players and 2 pts./nomination for pitchers), winning the POTG vote (1 pt.), and votes cast for them. The sum of these numbers represents the total number of points amassed by the player. To get the points listed in the chart the players points are divided by the total number of votes cast. Since the number of votes cast is constantly changing, the scores of the players vary. Ultimately, the actual number next to the players name is representative of the voters perception of their contribution to the team in relation to the overall body of work for all the players during that span of time (monthly or YTD). It is not representative of a set, hard number.

For any given segment of time (POTM or POTY)

Nominatin Pts. + Poll Victories + Poll Votes = POTM(Y) Poll Points accumulated

POTM(Y) Poll Points Accumulated / (Total Votes cast)(100) = POTG Points in Chart for the specified Month or YTD

In retrospect, I should have divided the points amassed by each player by the total number of points amassed by all players, that way their score would represent the percentage of the overall points accumulated for that specified period. Unfortunately, I figured this out later in the season and I'm not fond of recalculating all the scores for each month and YTD to reflect that score. Particularly since, having done so with the YTD scores, the order of standings remains unchanged (only the number representations change).

cooby
Aug 04 2006 04:43 PM

I don't get it, but I appreciate the work involved, and the polls themselves...thanks!

Rockin' Doc
Aug 04 2006 04:55 PM

I recalculated the player YTD scores through July 31 to reflect the percentage of points amassed versus the total points awarded. Hopefully, seeing the player standings as a percentage will make it easier to understand the relationship between respective players.

It's not the number that matters as much as the relative positions of the players in relation to one another.

Player NamePOTG Points
Carlos Beltran9.52109
David Wright9.29304
Carlos Delgado8.55188
Tom Glavine8.20981
Jose Reyes6.15735
Pedro Martinez6.10034
Xavier Nady4.27594
Steve Trachsel3.99088
Jose Valentin3.93387
Cliff Floyd3.53478
Endy Chavez3.53478
Paul LoDuca3.36374
Orlando Hernandez2.79361
Duaner Sanchez2.50855
Billy Wagner2.39453
Darren Oliver2.28050
Brian Bannister2.28050
Aaron Heilman2.22349
Alay Soler1.88141
John Maine1.82440
Chad Bradford1.76739
Kaz Matsui1.71038
Lastings Milledge1.36830
Julio Franco1.31129
Ramon Castro1.08324
Pedro Feliciano1.08324
Chris Woodward0.74116
Heath Bell0.62714
Jorge Julio0.45610
Victor Zambrano0.45610
Mike Pelfrey0.22805
Henry Owens0.22805
Eli Marrero0.17104
Geremi Gonzalez0.11403
Jose Freakin' Lima0.00000
Anderson Hernandez0.00000