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Inside Old Timers Day

G-Fafif Feb 21 2022 10:21 AM

Andy Strasberg, a longtime Padres front office employee, shares one great inside story after another on the Vintage Baseball Photos page on Facebook, this one in particular about the evolution of Old-Timers Day and how it rose and fell as a club promotion throughout MLB in the 1980s. In 1986 the Equitable Finance Company agreed to be the national MLB sponsor of each team's Old-Timers' games. This arrangement was unprecedented. Prior to that, not every team even held Old-Timers' games. And to my knowledge, none of the handful of teams that did salute their former players with an Old-Timers' game had a title sponsor. For those few teams with a rich history, it was decidedly easier to put together two rosters of former popular players for an entertaining three-inning game prior to a regularly scheduled game during the season. Make no mistake about it: Those old-timer's games were largely done for business reasons rather than simple nostalgia. Those games needed to show a profit after expenses, based solely on increased ticket sales for the regularly scheduled game. The Old-Timers' game was always a favorite of mine. Producing the annual event for the Padres was an honor, privilege, and a pleasure. My focus, however, never wavered from keeping costs down – including players round-trip travel, hotel accommodations, player gifts, uniforms, and receptions. Beginning with the Padres' 1978 Old-Timers' game, I was entrusted with selecting those players who would be invited. Inviting former players was not as easy as it may appear. It was a precarious balancing act because we needed to make sure that both team rosters had a willing and capable player for each position. Except in very rare cases, retired players who were not physically able to play in the game were not worth the investment that would result in them being introduced and just giving the crowd a wave. Another part of the invitation formula was inviting recognizable and popular players. They would add to the “draw” along with a few marquee names to help with the sizzle and promotion of the pre-game event. Once Equitable became involved, in addition to their financial underwriting of costs, the majority of my responsibilities for the game were taken on by Capital Sports, an independent event firm hired by Equitable to manage each team's game. My role was reduced to a team contact coordinator rather than the hands-on implementer-in-charge and overseeing everything related to the game. Since Equitable was staging games around the country, they had a roster of players to select from. Their roster of 547 former players included 41 Hall of Famers. Their list of players kept growing because Equitable, at the urging of Joe Garagiola, who was a driving force behind the sponsored concept, began paying appearance fees to each participating player. Prior to that, when teams staged these games a player would not be financially compensated but rather receive airfare, hotel accommodations and a gift. Joe rationalized that it was a payday with real money that many former players needed. He was correct. However, as cruel as it may sound, I thought that was a bad precedent. Sure, in the beginning it would work, but eventually, it would be the downfall of the Old-Timers' games for most teams. In my opinion, paying players for Old-Timers' games presented two problems. The first was how to deal with the appearance fee paid to a superstar Hall of Famer as compared to an everyday, popular player. Players' ego and pride might lead them to believe their presence was worth more than another player. Historically, this wasn't an issue – because each player received the same modest thank-you gift. The second problem was forecasting the future of the event. What happens when Equitable no longer agrees to be title sponsor and another sponsor isn't found? That's when the event would fall back to each team along with associated expenses, some of which (led by player appearance fees) were non-existent before. Under that formula, retired players would expect appearance fees, which would substantially add to the cost of producing the game. For many teams, that would turn a previously profitable event into a deal buster. At the MLB business meetings in Phoenix in the fall of 1986 I voiced my concern in front of every team's representative and those MLB personnel who attended. The result was that I found myself in a shouting match with Joe Garagiola, who was upset by my remarks. For the record, Joe did the shouting; I did the respectful listening. (After the meeting, Joe apologized to me in private. That evening, friends once again, we had a photo taken as I accepted an award that the team won for attendance). As I had predicted, the Old-Timers' game eventually faded from most teams' schedules because of cost concerns once Equitable was no longer sponsoring the event.

stevejrogers Feb 21 2022 11:21 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

When did Upper Deck enter the picture? They were the all encompassing sponsor for a few years in the early-mid 1990s. Complete with neat 8x10 stadium giveaway collectables. Hey BatMags, certainly a size Typewriter cards should look into…well, if we end up HAVING the event as scheduled!

Edgy MD Feb 21 2022 11:40 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I want to be the Capital Sports Events guy who called into HQ all excited, yelling, "We got Bill Wambsganss!!"

G-Fafif Feb 21 2022 01:04 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 21 2022 02:50 PM

Upper Deck was the title sponsor at Shea in 1992 and 1993. Equitable had it through at least 1990.

stevejrogers Feb 21 2022 01:40 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=G-Fafif post_id=86091 time=1645473846 user_id=55] Upper Deck wast he title sponsor at Shea in 1992 and 1993. Equitable had it through at least 1990.

Looking up yearly output on TCDB.com, and it looks like Upper Deck Heroes of Baseball sheets were produced from 1991 through 1994.

Edgy MD Jul 07 2022 12:39 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Shared without comment. [YOUTUBE]FdfdBCdxPzE[/YOUTUBE]

whippoorwill Jul 07 2022 01:02 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Am I misremembering that the Old Timers game used to be played in conjunction with the All Star game, with healthy enough retirees from all the teams in one game?

Edgy MD Jul 07 2022 01:26 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Apart from different teams' Old Timer's Day game in their stadia, there was for a time the nationally oriented Cracker Jack Old Timer's Classic (as seen above). I think it was played in Buffalo, but maybe other cities too — usually non-MLB parks that resonated with old-timey glory. I think you're right that it was scheduled around the All-Star Game. They also tried to differentiate it by making it at least a little bit more competitive than the team-based games. Older dudes appeared, but recently retired Johnny Bench-types tended to dominate the action. I don't remember how much they shortened the fences — presumably they did to some degree — but I also remember in what I think was the very first of these games, a rather old (75-ish?) Luke Applinng led off with a homer, and he didn't hit a whole lot of those in his actual career. I'm guessing that, even though it wasn't that big a national event, team's assumed that it kind of made their own OTD games seem redundant, because the local affairs started disappearing around the same time.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 07 2022 01:31 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

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ashie62 Jul 07 2022 01:58 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Edgy MD wrote: Shared without comment. [YOUTUBE]FdfdBCdxPzE[/YOUTUBE] This is like an adult video company that brings in "old timer" talent for the day and actually expects them to perform.

Edgy MD Jul 07 2022 02:14 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I confess that "adult video company" wasn't the phrase that popped into my mind.

DocTee Jul 07 2022 05:24 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I guess the Mets of my youth were too young a franchise to have OTD but I remember Celebrity and Family Softball games-- at lest I remember them being featured in the Yearbooks. I think Craig Swan had a smokeshow of a wife, and there was a picture of the Happy Days cast with Joel Youngblood or someone if I recall.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 07 2022 05:30 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Mets old-timers days were originally about the Dodgers and the Giants.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 07 2022 05:50 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Interesting article. In some other otd thread, I recall being disappointed with otd as a kid, thinking. "Where are the Mets?"

G-Fafif Jul 07 2022 06:25 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I was, at least for the first few years I was paying attention, surprised any Mets were in the Old Timers' ceremonies seeing as how new the Mets were. It was gratifying to see them included as more and more of them began to trickle into the eligible demographic, but I really did get a kick out of the veritable pageant of uniforms you'd see when the Mets would invite players of all stripe back. I saw Lloyd Waner swing the bat at age 70, which seemed, to the lad I was, impossibly old for a person to be doing anything remotely athletic. Did I mention I was much younger then?

Edgy MD Jul 07 2022 06:52 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

That's pretty cool. Fun tip: If you're ever stuck for an argument when endorsing your favorite player for The Hall of Fame, compare him to Lloyd Waner. It's cheap, but a campaign has to start somewhere.

stevejrogers Aug 11 2022 12:23 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Mets OTD 2022 Roster announced [url]https://metsinsider.mlblogs.com/mets-announce-roster-for-old-timers-day-presented-by-citi-7fffca53653a?gi=82e15ff61ba9

batmagadanleadoff Aug 11 2022 12:31 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Mets OTD 2022 Roster announced [url]https://metsinsider.mlblogs.com/mets-announce-roster-for-old-timers-day-presented-by-citi-7fffca53653a?gi=82e15ff61ba9 Seven Polo Grounds Mets on the list, including, obviously, Ed Kranepool, and Cleon Jones and Steve Dillon, who just squeak in as Polo Groundsers, having made their MLB debuts as September, '63 callups.

Edgy MD Aug 11 2022 12:32 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I don't know what kind of game they're going to get in, but the introductions should take over an hour.

kcmets Aug 11 2022 12:39 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

My 60th birthday! I think they should send me two luxury suite tickets. (maybe an intern will see this and put in a good word)

Willets Point Aug 11 2022 01:19 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=kcmets post_id=103430 time=1660243191 user_id=53] My 60th birthday! I think they should send me two luxury suite tickets. (maybe an intern will see this and put in a good word)

If only HVAC Guy was still stopping buy.

Ceetar Aug 11 2022 01:26 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

i think I Mentioned this on the podcast, but ..save some for next year? It seems like they're constantly adding on and overdoing it when they could just as easily be like "Hey, we're doing this every year! we'll call some different guys next year!" How can all those people actually _play_?

kcmets Aug 11 2022 01:26 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Yeah, unfortunately he is here at the present time: Green Haven Correctional Facility

Willets Point Aug 11 2022 01:31 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I'm surprised David Wright is not on the roster. With all those pitchers you could have them get one out each and still have a pitcher to spare in a 9-inning game.

Edgy MD Aug 24 2022 07:34 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Baldwin's own Steve Dillon is psyched to get back on the mound for Old Timer's Day. “I play racquetball and I belong to a club,” Dillon said. “And the guys that I play ball with are ballplayers. Not professionally but they played [in] college or high school and I am throwing the ball to them. Just so if I get a chance, an opportunity to get on the mound, I at least will present myself, that I was a pitcher for real.” As I was growing up in The Rock, struck dumb whenever Suzie Sadecki was near, the guy who would be my college roommate was checking in at St. Christopher's in Baldwin, blushing as he was seated next to Steve Dillon's daughter.

G-Fafif Aug 26 2022 03:16 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Tommie Agee is now synonymous with education in Esst Elmhurst. https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/queens-school-named-after-mets-tommie-agee-mayor-adams-childhood-hero/ His Old Timer teammates attended the dedication in his honor as did Hizzoner. "The great [Mets] Hall of Famer, Tommie Agee played the role model on the young men who grew up during that era,” said Mayor Adams at the dedication ceremony outside the new Tommie L. Agee Educational Campus, PS 419 in East Elmhurst Queens — not far from where the Mets play. “I was nine years old at that time and we were in dark places as children in South Jamaica, Queens,” he said, recalling his childhood and the great 1969 team. “When we saw that team, when we saw them play, it meant so much to us…Tommie Agee meant so much to me.”

Edgy MD Aug 26 2022 03:27 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Drafting All-Star Teams. [YOUTUBE]tRurjBpvvRw[/YOUTUBE] Josh Thole?

nymr83 Aug 26 2022 04:48 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Willets Point wrote: I'm surprised David Wright is not on the roster. With all those pitchers you could have them get one out each and still have a pitcher to spare in a 9-inning game. Maybe he is claiming disability and cant be spotted swinging the bat!

Gwreck Aug 26 2022 05:04 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Starting Lineups: Amazins Alfonzo 3B Teufel 2B Floyd RF Piazza C Zeile 1B Pratt DH Elster SS Agbayani LF Payton CF Gooden P Miracles Reyes SS Wilson CF Murphy 2B H. Johnson 1B Mazzilli DH Ventura 3B S. Henderson RF Chavez LF Thole C Colon P —- Initial reactions: Even though Murphy and Colon (?) are the closest to ML service, I like the Amazins. Mookie over Endy in center is a choice.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2022 05:16 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I realize the left field wall ought to be named after Endy Chavez, but competitively, ya gotta swap Steve and Endy. I'm guessing Steve is the oldest guy out there. Maybe Lee.

MFS62 Aug 26 2022 05:25 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

None of the pitchers should hope there will be balls hit to the outfield. Not too much range out there (now) on either side, but the Miracles' outfield defense seems a bit better. Later

kcmets Aug 26 2022 05:35 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Shame Bartolo won't get an AB.

Gwreck Aug 26 2022 05:39 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Edgy MD wrote: I realize the left field wall ought to be named after Endy Chavez They do have the image of him at the LF gate (and Swoboda at the RF gate). Always thought it was an underrated part of the ballpark.

stevejrogers Aug 26 2022 06:43 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Edgy MD wrote: I realize the left field wall ought to be named after Endy Chavez They do have the image of him at the LF gate (and Swoboda at the RF gate). Always thought it was an underrated part of the ballpark. Also Seaver's silhouette adorns the Bullpen Gate.

G-Fafif Aug 26 2022 07:51 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

[tweet]https://twitter.com/joe_manniello/status/1563337952540758023[/tweet]

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2022 09:36 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I wonder if each old-timer Met will wear a reasonably accurate throwback uni specific to the era he played in. Cohen strikes me as the guy with attention to these details. (And the budget to splurge for this). I'm definitely not expecting mesh caps and temporary nameplates that come unstuck in a soft breeze.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2022 09:49 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

The Mets in past reunions, such as at the final game at Shea, have been pretty meticulous in outfitting players in era-specific uniforms, and folks were so excited by the creamy home whites that 1960s- and early 1970s-era Mets were outfitted in that the creamies were, for a time, added to the rotation. I have confidence that period-specific uni variety will be part of the festivities. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3pH8F1XaEYc/SOF5VjRaS4I/AAAAAAAACEE/PoFJXPnci2I/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/!!piazza.jpg> [fimg=600]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gDKoMnu_uP4/U9Lo7-XetPI/AAAAAAAA1tw/hPk1Wa37CzE/s1600/mazzilli+2008.jpg[/fimg] The calls to bring back the button-collar pullovers were ... less than deafening. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AY5ECDSC0Dk/U9LqSny4XFI/AAAAAAAA1uc/jHibMn6aFdk/s1600/Dave+Kingman+(244).jpg> [FIMG=600]http://res.cloudinary.com/ybmedia/image/upload/c_crop,h_1291,w_2000,x_0,y_0/c_scale,f_auto,q_auto,w_700/v1/m/6/d/6dbf6f4b1558f3d560c282b57be9f6e8365fba38/17-shea-stadium-queens-ny-1964-2008.jpg[/FIMG]

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2022 09:59 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I remembered that but couldnt remember the specific occasion. I remember being totally shocked that the Wilpons would spend for something like that. And the return of the Torre era two button pullover jerseys was way cool. But I wouldn't have had Kingman wear that style. I woulda had him in the Joe Fraziers.

MFS62 Aug 27 2022 06:28 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Wil they have a ceremony to celebrate KC's birthday? Happy Birthday, young timer. Later

nymr83 Aug 27 2022 09:07 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=Gwreck post_id=105418 time=1661555065 user_id=56] Initial reactions: Even though Murphy and Colon (?) are the closest to ML service, I like the Amazins.

I gotta go with the Miracles. Colon was leadimg the Mexican League in innings pitched at some point last summer. Gooden last touched a baseball when?

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 10:36 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 27 2022 10:55 AM

From the photos online already, looks like it's the normal 2022 whites with a OTD patch. I suppose it's better than the mid 1980s racing stripes that featured way too much block coloring on the numberings and nameplates that on some of the jerseys, it filled in some of them. OE I guess Nike couldn't be bothered manufacturing various era specific threads for a one-off appearance.

G-Fafif Aug 27 2022 10:48 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

The good news is after today, Old Timers Day became a beloved annual institution once again.

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 11:01 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

http://nov16.hugginsandscott.com/pl/12066_wes_westrum_uniform_phone.jpg> Example of what I meant from the mid-1980s OTD attendee unis

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2022 11:23 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day Edited 4 time(s), most recently on Aug 27 2022 11:43 AM

From the photos online already, looks like it's the normal 2022 whites with a OTD patch. I suppose it's better than the mid 1980s racing stripes that featured way too much block coloring on the numberings and nameplates that on some of the jerseys, it filled in some of them. For me, it's about authenticity. And accuracy. Keith Hernandez and Dwight Gooden never wore the 2002 whites. Neither did any of the other old-timers, for that matter. And just the same, I wouldn't wanna see Jay Hook come out in a Mercury Mets uniform. OE I guess Nike couldn't be bothered manufacturing various era specific threads for a one-off appearance. Nike'll do whatever they're paid to do, (assuming that Nike is the only manufacturer that's allowed to produce throwbacks for MLB teams) so long as they're given enough lead time. The Mets had era-specific throwbacks in 2008. I don't see why not today other than that these Mets "didn't feel like it" or couldn't get their act together in time. Or who knows? Maybe there was an issue having to do with Nike being the exclusive provider of MLB uniforms and that this particular arrangement, for reasons I can't figure out, prevented the Mets from fitting their old-timers in era specific throwbacks.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2022 11:29 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=stevejrogers post_id=105520 time=1661618177 user_id=57] I suppose it's better than the mid 1980s racing stripes that featured way too much block coloring on the numberings and nameplates that on some of the jerseys, it filled in some of them.

I don't know what this means. Is this a gripe about the actual racing stripe unis or a gripe about some decades old throwback version of those racing stripe unis? If it's the latter, they can make better throwbacks these days.

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 11:44 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I suppose it's better than the mid 1980s racing stripes that featured way too much block coloring on the numberings and nameplates that on some of the jerseys, it filled in some of them. I don't know what this means. Is this a gripe about the actual racing stripe unis or a gripe about some decades old throwback version of those racing stripe unis? If it's the latter, they can make better throwbacks these days. http://nov16.hugginsandscott.com/pl/12066_wes_westrum_uniform_phone.jpg> Example of what I meant from the mid-1980s OTD attendee unis Not a throwback, so much as the Met uniforms the OTD attendees wore in the mid 80s through the early 1990s versions of the events.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2022 11:46 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Also, Brian Ostrosser wasn't invited, probably because no one in the Mets front office ever even heard of him.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2022 11:46 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I suppose it's better than the mid 1980s racing stripes that featured way too much block coloring on the numberings and nameplates that on some of the jerseys, it filled in some of them. I don't know what this means. Is this a gripe about the actual racing stripe unis or a gripe about some decades old throwback version of those racing stripe unis? If it's the latter, they can make better throwbacks these days. http://nov16.hugginsandscott.com/pl/12066_wes_westrum_uniform_phone.jpg> Example of what I meant from the mid-1980s OTD attendee unis Not a throwback, so much as the Met uniforms the OTD attendees wore in the mid 80s through the early 1990s versions of the events. So then what does that have to do with whatever unis today's old-timers will be wearing? BTW, that's a real ugly version of the racing stripes unis. The numbers look like they've been filled in with red crayons.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 11:49 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Anybuds know if this game and/or ceremonies can be streamed anywheres?

Willets Point Aug 27 2022 11:50 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Edgy MD wrote: Anybuds know if this game and/or ceremonies can be streamed anywheres? I was just going to ask the same thing.

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 11:53 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Willets Point wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Anybuds know if this game and/or ceremonies can be streamed anywheres? I was just going to ask the same thing. SNY app, Mets.com/their YouTube channel

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 11:56 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I don't know what this means. Is this a gripe about the actual racing stripe unis or a gripe about some decades old throwback version of those racing stripe unis? If it's the latter, they can make better throwbacks these days. http://nov16.hugginsandscott.com/pl/12066_wes_westrum_uniform_phone.jpg> Example of what I meant from the mid-1980s OTD attendee unis Not a throwback, so much as the Met uniforms the OTD attendees wore in the mid 80s through the early 1990s versions of the events. So then what does that have to do with whatever unis today's old-timers will be wearing? BTW, that's a real ugly version of the racing stripes unis. The numbers look like they've been filled in with red crayons. Having them all in exact versions of today's white pinstripes, with an OTD patch, is much better than what they did in the mid 1980s with that seemingly shabbily done knock off version of what the Mets were wearing at Shea in the mid to late 1980s.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2022 12:44 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

That's an extremely low bar. I'm not remotely impressed. I think the Mets missed the boat badly with this year's OTD unis if it's gonna be like you say it's gonna be. I can't believe that the Wilpons outdid Cohen in this department.

kcmets Aug 27 2022 12:51 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

SNY also has an hour-long pre-game at 3:30 PM. I'm DVR'ng so I can watch it another time without the commercials.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 02:36 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Steve Dillon needs no escorting. Get lost.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 02:37 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Felix!

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 02:40 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Jay Payton suddenly looking 60.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 02:41 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Big O for Agbayani.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 02:47 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Bartolo's physique doesn't stand out so much any more.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 02:49 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Torre?!?! Managing?

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 02:54 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Kevin Elster should be starring in biker movies.

Fman99 Aug 27 2022 02:57 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I napped and didn't miss any game play apparently.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 02:59 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Ray Knight looks like he's going to cry.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:06 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

[BIGPURPLE]HOLYSHITRETIRING24HOLYSHIT!!![/BIGPURPLE]

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 03:06 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

SAY FREAKING HEY!

Fman99 Aug 27 2022 03:08 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Wow, that's awesome.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2022 03:12 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Jane Jarvis playing the National Anthem!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2022 03:14 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Bobby Valentine with the grease paint mustache... And geez... John Stearns.

G-Fafif Aug 27 2022 03:18 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I'm in heaven and Promenade, respectively.

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 27 2022 03:22 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 27 2022 03:43 PM

Honoring Willie Mays for all his time in New York is magnificent. Well done, Mets!!! Cano tarnished the number. Will never happen again! Cohen is just full of surprises!

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:28 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Only thing missing is a Tsuyoshi Shinjo factor.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:29 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Doc's pants are having a rough time of it.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2022 03:30 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

They're wearing adjustable caps. Gooden on the mound and Piazza behind the plate.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:32 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Yeah, adjustable caps are an odd choice.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:36 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Bartolo using the whole park.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:37 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Cliff Floyd wearing a hat cam.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:41 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Leiter getting nothing over the plate. Bring Back Bart!!

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:43 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Zeile coming in to catch for Thole?

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:47 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Holy shit! Steve Dillon in the game!

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:54 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

"Crazy Train" on the organ.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 03:57 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Wagner's got the most arm left so far.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 04:00 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Mookie hauling in the longest drive of the day, about 300-310 off of Agbayani's bat.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 04:08 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Leach still bringing it from three o'clock.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 04:10 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

There it is. I think there was one infield out in the whole game. Funny that Old Timers Day is more old-timey than most of the players are.

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 04:15 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Edgy MD wrote: Wagner's got the most arm left so far. Forget Bartolo, get him to be an arm in the pen!

Gwreck Aug 27 2022 04:29 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Edgy MD wrote: There it is. I think there was one infield out in the whole game. Two, if you count an infield fly. I liked that some players were taking it real seriously. Mookie took an extra base on a ball in the gap. Teufel make sure to tag up on an outfield fly. Tons of fun.

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 04:45 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=G-Fafif post_id=105557 time=1661635133 user_id=55] I'm in heaven and Promenade, respectively.

I'm now imagining you or Jayson rushing to get a hold of whomever is printing the FaFiF retired number shirts to cease production on the ones with #17, because they have to add #24 now! ;)

Frayed Knot Aug 27 2022 04:55 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

How about inside the Old Timers themselves: - dentures - titanium joints - heart stents - kidney stones - gout - penis pumps - hearing aids

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 27 2022 05:40 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Willie diversifies the retired numbers a bit, too.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2022 05:59 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

A few players whose absences I noticed, in addition to David Wright. I don't know which players were invited and declined (for whatever reason) and which weren't. I'm sure one of them was likely unwelcome. Koosman, Grote, Boswell, Dyer, Garrett, Ryan, Gentry, Ron Hodges, Swan, Zachry, Kingman, Foster, Dykstra, Davey Johnson, Viola, Bonilla, Beltran, Delgado, Glavine, Santana, Dickey.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2022 06:56 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Did Nolan Ryan ever attend one of these kinds of functions?

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2022 07:01 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I think he was at Shea Good-bye.

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 07:13 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 27 2022 08:49 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think he was at Shea Good-bye. And the 2009 40th Anniversary party for the 1969ers.

The Hot Corner Aug 27 2022 08:30 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think he was at Shea Good-bye. And the 2009 50th Anniversary party for the 1969ers. Hey Steve, you're math doesn't quite add up.

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 08:48 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think he was at Shea Good-bye. And the 2009 40th Anniversary party for the 1969ers.

stevejrogers Aug 27 2022 08:50 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

The Hot Corner wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think he was at Shea Good-bye. And the 2009 50th Anniversary party for the 1969ers. Hey Steve, you're math doesn't quite add up. *facepalm* Fixed in the OP

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 08:57 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

[fimg=650]https://japan-forward.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Obit-Hall-of-Fame-pitcher-Tom-Seaver-008.jpg[/fimg]

Gwreck Aug 27 2022 09:05 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think he was at Shea Good-bye. Are you referring to Nolan Ryan? He was at the WS anniversary celebration but was not at the final game at Shea.

kcmets Aug 27 2022 09:13 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I'm sure there will be some Willie #24 negative backlash but geez that was a fun surprise for me. Good for him, good for us, and good for baseball. (keeping it secret in this day and age is also impressive)

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 09:19 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

The truth is that we all knew about it, but we were asked to keep it a secret from you as a birthday surprise.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2022 09:53 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Jay Horwitz 6.0 Steve Dillon 2.0 Mookie Wilson 1.0 Daniel Murphy 1.0

G-Fafif Aug 28 2022 01:41 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=105582 time=1661643614 user_id=119] Willie diversifies the retired numbers a bit, too.

True. He's the first outfielder.

whippoorwill Aug 28 2022 06:03 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

If anyone can find a picture of Sid Fernandez from yesterday I'd love to see it. I saw one from a few years back and he was still handsome as heck.

kcmets Aug 28 2022 06:55 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I guess Sid still looked pretty good. What struck me more is his serious tattoo addiction. Whatupwiddat?

whippoorwill Aug 28 2022 09:27 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Oh no! I will check out YouTube

G-Fafif Aug 28 2022 10:32 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Love lifts 24 up where it belongs.

stevejrogers Aug 28 2022 10:59 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Love lifts 24 up where it belongs. Small correction, the Mariners did in fact have an issue with Cano's 24 wearing request. Same reason when Rickey Henderson joined the M's following his Met release in 2000. That number was unofficially mothballed as soon as Griffey Jr was traded to Cincy, only to be issued when he returned briefly in 2009-2010, before being officially following his HOF induction in 2016. So Cano wore 22 in his time in Seattle, 2014-2018, and Rickey was #35 in Seattle.

G-Fafif Aug 28 2022 11:10 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Love lifts 24 up where it belongs. Small correction, the Mariners did in fact have an issue with Cano's 24 wearing request. Same reason when Rickey Henderson joined the M's following his Met release in 2000. That number was unofficially mothballed as soon as Griffey Jr was traded to Cincy, only to be issued when he returned briefly in 2009-2010, before being officially following his HOF induction in 2016. So Cano wore 22 in his time in Seattle, 2014-2018, and Rickey was #35 in Seattle. Shoulda fact-checked. Thanks.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 28 2022 03:39 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

http://ultimatemets.com/cards/SteveDillon1973.jpg>

whippoorwill Aug 28 2022 04:53 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

❤️love this

whippoorwill Aug 28 2022 05:36 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=whippoorwill post_id=105624 time=1661700445 user_id=79] Oh no! I will check out YouTube

Found a Billy wagner/El sid video.

Sid always reminded me of my dad. Seeing This video REALLY reminded me of my dad

G-Fafif Aug 28 2022 05:43 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Benjamin Grimm wrote: http://ultimatemets.com/cards/SteveDillon1973.jpg> Awesome, as was Dillon backing up home after he gave up a run-scoring single just like a pitcher would.

whippoorwill Aug 28 2022 06:06 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I see he's got some new chatter on UMDB!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 28 2022 06:23 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

His daughter posted a few weeks ago that he'd be appearing at Old Timers Day, and I thought, why??? A guy who only pitched three games for the Mets? But it was clearly a great decision. A great thing for the fans, and a great thing for his children and grandchildren.

whippoorwill Aug 28 2022 06:24 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

And for him! I love it! ❤️

Edgy MD Aug 28 2022 08:39 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I had some niggling nits to pick about OTD, because I'm a horrible person, but I promised myself I wouldn't mention it until the giddiness passed. The giddiness hasn't really even receded.

Edgy MD Aug 28 2022 08:41 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Benjamin Grimm wrote: His daughter posted a few weeks ago that he'd be appearing at Old Timers Day, and I thought, why??? A guy who only pitched three games for the Mets? But it was clearly a great decision. A great thing for the fans, and a great thing for his children and grandchildren. There are advantages to (a) living in Baldwin, (b) being active in alumni stuff, and (c) picking up the phone.

Willets Point Aug 29 2022 09:05 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

His Wikipedia page has a new photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Dillon_(baseball)

batmagadanleadoff Aug 29 2022 10:11 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Amazing that this fringe Met whose entire MLB career consisted of three IP's stole the show at OTD. Some feel-good story. Dillon quit baseball after being demoted to the minors, citing low minor league wages. He worked as a salesman at Howard's Clothes in the Bronx, a big sponsor of the Mets throughout the 60s. [FIMG=333]http://www.trbimg.com/img-5ad611d6/turbine/nydn-1-1056082[/FIMG] In 1969, DIllon joined the NYPD, where he was a NY police officer for 20 years. Here's his lone Topps baseball card: [FIMG=333]https://i.psacard.com/cardfacts/1964-topps-556-mets-rookies-sdillonrlocke-31939.jpg?h=1000[/FIMG]

batmagadanleadoff Aug 29 2022 10:34 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

[FIMG=555]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52320017478_ef262d91dc_h.jpg[/FIMG]

batmagadanleadoff Aug 29 2022 11:00 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=105536 time=1661625877 user_id=68] I think the Mets missed the boat ... with this year's OTD unis if it's gonna be like you say it's gonna be. I can't believe that the Wilpons outdid Cohen in this department.

Only because back then, the Wilpons were flush with imaginary money that Bernie Madoff stole.



Anyways, looking back now, a day or two later, this seems like a really tiny gripe in the face of what was a total smashing feel-good success of an Old-Timer's Day. Steve Henderson in the house! Oh my!

whippoorwill Aug 29 2022 02:48 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Did Payton get into the game? I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I think my hubby's watched every video he can find of it lol!

Willets Point Aug 29 2022 02:50 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I wish there was a box score for the game.

G-Fafif Aug 29 2022 03:32 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Every Old Timer dressed in the Met uniform of record (if you cover one eye so as to unsee the swoosh) bound them together as one team for all time. After a while, during the game, I found myself trying to remember if this one had played with that one because, in the moment, the years simply blurred.

Edgy MD Aug 29 2022 04:43 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

The effect worked similarly on me. Also, these guys should get a cut of whatever blood money NIKE is paying MLB.

Edgy MD Aug 29 2022 05:00 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=whippoorwill post_id=105693 time=1661806085 user_id=79] Did Payton get into the game? I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I think my hubby's watched every video he can find of it lol!

JayPay's silver beard was a little bit of a shocker, but he covered centerfield like he still belonged out there.

whippoorwill Aug 29 2022 05:06 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Definitely going to take some time to watch this. Love these guys. Just watched Jay with howie rose in 2020 This Otg is probably the one that a lot of us here needed

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 08:29 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I don't know what kind of future this event is expected to have, and I'm not yet ready to pick personal nits, but I have noticed that several fans who aren't particularly familiar with the once yearly tradition of Old Timer's Day have had an unexpected distaste for the event's title. Apparently the appellation "Old Timer" doesn't ring as warmly on their ears at it might have to a different audience a few decades ago, and they hear it more as derisive. Might I suggest "All-Timers Day" as an alternative?

kcmets Aug 30 2022 08:46 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

All-Timer's Day is a reasonable and worthy change. Make it so.

G-Fafif Aug 30 2022 08:50 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I just discovered through the sunnier side of Facebook, after posting a link to my followup full of kvelling re Old Timers Day, that in addition to Steve Dillon living n the same town I live now, he used to live across the street from one of my high school classmates. Strong Long Beach/Baldwin/Mets energy in these parts.

A Boy Named Seo Aug 30 2022 01:11 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

This man: A) is currently in witness protection after flipping on a high-profile mob boss B) is going to reprise Tim Allen's role in the reboot of the guy gang motorcycle comedy "Wild Hogs" C) is the current spokesman for the popular male hair dye "Just For Men: Jet Black at 60" D) is some guy who looks nothing like Kevin Elster, but paid Kevin Elster $1000 so that he could live his dream of playing for the Mets by appearing on-field as Kevin Elster [attachment=0]elster.jpg[/attachment]

whippoorwill Aug 30 2022 03:29 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I remember Elster as light haired and #22 Did I miss Davey Johnson somewhere?

kcmets Aug 30 2022 04:01 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I too was thinking Kevin reminded me of a movie stereotype low-level wise guy. Like Lefty in Donnie Brosco, only with a bad haircut.

stevejrogers Aug 30 2022 04:24 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=whippoorwill post_id=105750 time=1661894979 user_id=79] I remember Elster as light haired and #22 Did I miss Davey Johnson somewhere?

Davey wasn't there.



Elster wore #21 most of his career, but #2 in October of 1986. Interestingly #21 was worn by Ron Gardenhire for one day in early April 1986, and wasn't issued on the big league roster until Elster's return to stay in September of 1987.



It's possible the Mets stuck him in #2 when he returned for the first time as part of a 1986 celebration, and it's been sticking ever since!

Edgy MD Aug 30 2022 04:40 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Twenty-two belonged to McReynolds during the Elster Era, aka "The Elstera."

whippoorwill Aug 30 2022 05:26 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Right! Thanks to you both!

Edgy MD Aug 31 2022 09:40 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

[FIMG=500]https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/301906682_10166888996075078_5528274389770973342_n.jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=USXrDJDX0tEAX-xhEi9&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AT_-J6qmdHX8MtO1bnOy4WVMz0myge2sDp0sHTXkkzbVOg&oe=63140378[/FIMG] "And let's say — I dunno — the sprinklers suddenly come on ... don't let it throw you off your game. You're the man out there. You're their DADDY. Just LEAN INTO shit like that."

Edgy MD Aug 31 2022 11:00 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Willets Point wrote: I wish there was a box score for the game. Working on this. Hope to have something tomorrow.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 31 2022 11:05 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I'm a little surprised that that's possible. SNY's coverage often veered away from the game action because of player interviews.

Edgy MD Aug 31 2022 11:09 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I don't see impossible as a limitation, but a challenge.

A Boy Named Seo Aug 31 2022 11:25 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

"This can't be right, it says Piazza reached base on a 6-ball walk."

G-Fafif Aug 31 2022 11:38 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I vaguely recalled a Steve Dillon boomlet in the early days of Citi Field. Sure enough, from the Daily News of July 14, 2009, by Nick Hirshon. The 45-year gap between stops on a major league mound was worth the wait for Stephen Dillon and Bill Wakefield. The largely forgotten ex-Mets - vaulted onto the team's radar when Queens News reported their dream to reunite on the Citi Field diamond - triumphantly tossed ceremonial first pitches at Friday night's game. Dillon and Wakefield, who pitched in the first night game at Shea Stadium in 1964, grinned as family and friends - amid a sea of 39,203 fans - cheered wildly for the pair's big moment. Dillon, 66, fired a strike to Mets third-base coach Razor Shines, while Wakefield, 68, threw what he jokingly called a "3-2 changeup" that bounced in front of catcher Brian Schneider. "You're always taught to keep the ball down," quipped an overjoyed Wakefield, who had journeyed to Flushing with his wife, Joan, from San Rafael, Calif. Dillon borrowed a famous line from Lou Gehrig's farewell speech to convey his emotions. "I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the Earth," Dillon beamed, adding that Shines told him, "You still got it, man." The bygone ballplayers thanked The News for running profiles on their place in Mets lore - at the first Shea night game on May 6, 1964, versus the Cincinnati Reds - that caught the eye of team brass. The Mets and potato-chip maker Wise Foods - the sponsor of Friday's game, also against the Reds - invited Dillon and Wakefield to the new big-league park for one last moment in the sun. The former Mets entered Citi Field's VIP entrance about 5:30 p.m. and soon donned new Mets jerseys - with Dillon's No. 39 and Wakefield's No. 43. As the Reds took batting practice, Dillon and Wakefield posed for photos on the field with their families, chatted with fans and played catch with first-base coach Sandy Alomar Sr. "It's great to bring all these guys back, especially for the younger fans who don't know," Alomar said. "It's great for the younger players to understand the history of the game. You never lose it." As Wakefield stood on the diamond, starstruck Mets fan Mark Silver, 55, of upstate Wesley Hills, began chatting with the former hurler. "I remember you," Silver told Wakefield. "I was a little one, but I remember you." Moments before the pitch, Wakefield's daughter, Monica, battled butterflies. "I can't imagine what he's going through," she said. "It's been 45 years." Sitting later in seats just behind the home dugout, Dillon and Wakefield - with their families - signed scores of autographs, reveling in their roles as stars once again in Flushing. https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/ex-mets-hurlers-toast-citi-field-toss-pitch-article-1.426823

MFS62 Aug 31 2022 12:19 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I wondered why Wakefield and Ron Locke had the two best bullpen ERA's (about 3.60)on that 1964 team, were still young, and never made it to the '65 team. Later

stevejrogers Aug 31 2022 01:42 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm a little surprised that that's possible. SNY's coverage often veered away from the game action because of player interviews. Mets YouTube channel has Citi's PA feed which is Howie & Wayne doing on the field PBP. Less long form and roving interviews and more game play following.

stevejrogers Aug 31 2022 01:46 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

A Boy Named Seo wrote: "This can't be right, it says Piazza reached base on a 6-ball walk." It's what happens when Al Leiter has no command of his pitches, but wants Mikey to swing the bat to delight the crowd! ;)

G-Fafif Aug 31 2022 03:08 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Steve Cohen, man of action, channeler of the Paysonian spirit. "It was really my decision,” Cohen said on the podcast. “When I heard about that there was a promise made to Willie by Joan Payson but there was no follow-through on that, I just felt like there was an obligation by an owner that needed to be kept, and I was gonna follow through on that. “I just thought that was the right thing to do. I had spoken to Willie. Willie confirmed that, so I was gonna follow through on that. I'm glad I did.” https://nypost.com/2022/08/31/steve-cohen-explains-why-mets-retired-willie-mays-no-24/

MFS62 Aug 31 2022 03:25 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

=G-Fafif post_id=105898 time=1661980126 user_id=55] I'm glad I did.”

So are we.

Later

G-Fafif Aug 31 2022 05:03 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Michael Mays and Horwitz comma Jay on the Mets saying “Hey.” [youtube]Q7ETH_y3FPI[/youtube]

Edgy MD Sep 01 2022 10:35 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I'm sure there are any number of errata in here, but here goes. Feel free to fix, upgrade, and reproduce on other platforms or in other media. [th]TEAM[/th] [th][/th] [th]1[/th] [th]2[/th] [th]3[/th] [th][/th] [th]R[/th] [th]H[/th] [th]E[/th] Miracles 1 4 3 8 12 0 Amazins 1 0 - 1 3 5

[th]Miracles[/th]	[th]ab[/th]	[th]r[/th]	[th]h[/th]	[th]bi[/th]	[th]lob[/th]	[th][/th]	[th]bb[/th]	[th]so[/th]	[th][/th]	[th]po[/th]	[th]a[/th]
	Reyes, ss		3		2		1		0		2				0		0				1		0
	Wilson, lf		2		1		2		2		0				0		0				1		0
	Piazza, ph		1		1		1		0		0				0		0				0		0
	Murphy, 2b		2		1		1		2		1				0		0				0		1
	Zeile, ph		1		0		1		2		0				0		0				0		0
	Johnson, 1b		2		0		1		0		1				0		1				0		0
	Mazzilli, dh		0		0		0		0		0				1		0				0		0
	Ventura, 3b		3		0		1		0		3				1		0				0		0
	Henderson, rf		1		0		0		0		3				0		0				1		0
	McDowell, ph, rf, 3b		2		0		2		2		0				0		0				0		0
	Chavez, lf		2		1		1		0		2				0		0				3		0
	Thole, c		2		2		1		0		0				0		0				0		0
	Colón, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Leiter, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Wendell, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Wagner, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Lynch, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	TOTALS		21		8		12		8		5				2		1				6		1

	BATTING: 2B — Chavez.

[th]Miracles[/th]	[th][/th]	[th]IP[/th]	[th]H[/th]	[th]R[/th]	[th]ER[/th]	[th]BB[/th]	[th]SO[/th]	[th]HR[/th]	[th]BFP[/th]
	Colón				0 1/3		2		1		1		0		0		0		3
	Leiter (W)				0 2/3		0		0		0		1		0		0		2
	Wendell				0 1/3		0		0		0		0		0		0		1
	Wagner				0 1/3		1		0		0		0		0		0		2
	Lynch				0 1/3		0		0		0		0		0		0		1
	Totals				2		3		1		1		1		0		0		9

	PITCHING: WP — Leiter. Pitches-Strikes: Colón — 5-5. Leiter — 13-3. Wendell — 2-2. Wagner 5-5. Lynch — 3-2. Inherited Runners- Scored: Leiter — 2-1. * Leiter's walk of Piazza is counted here but was disregarded in game play.

[th]Amazins[/th]	[th]ab[/th]	[th]r[/th]	[th]h[/th]	[th]bi[/th]	[th]lob[/th]	[th][/th]	[th]bb[/th]	[th]so[/th]	[th][/th]	[th]po[/th]	[th]a[/th]
	Alfonzo, 3b		1		0		0		0		0				0		0				1		0
	Wendell, 3b		0		0		0		0		0				0		0				0		0
	Teufel, 2b		1		1		1		0		0				0		0				0		0
	Floyd, rf		1		0		1		0		0				0		0				0		0
	Piazza, c		1		0		0		1		1				0		0				0		0
	Brogna, 1b		0		0		0		0		0				0		0				0		0
	Murphy, 1b		0		0		0		0		0				0		0				0		0
	Zeile, 1b, c		1		0		0		0		1				0		0				1		0
	Pratt, dh, c		1		0		0		0		0				0		0				0		0
	Elster, ss		1		0		1		0		0				0		0				1		0
	Santana, ss		1		0		0		0		1				0		0				0		0
	Agbayani, lf		1		0		0		0		1				0		0				1		0
	Mahomes, rf		0		0		0		0		0				0		0				0		0
	Payton, cf		0		0		0		0		0				0		0				2		0
	Franco, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Gooden, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Orosco, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Dillon, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Martinez, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Trachsel, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Cook, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Rusch, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	Leach, p		-		-		-		-		-				-		-				0		0
	TOTALS		9		1		3		1		1				0		0				6		0

	BATTING: 2B — Wilson. SF — Piazza. FIELDING: Errors — Elster, Payton, Piazza, Orosco, Brogna.

[th]Amazins[/th]	[th][/th]	[th]IP[/th]	[th]H[/th]	[th]R[/th]	[th]ER[/th]	[th]BB[/th]	[th]SO[/th]	[th]HR[/th]	[th]BFP[/th]
	Franco				0 1/3		1		1		0		0		0		0		3
	Gooden				0		1		0		0		1		0		0		2
	Orosco (L)				1		1		2		1		0		0		0		5
	Dillon				0		2		2		1		0		0		0		2
	Martinez				0 2/3		1		0		0		1		1		0		3
	Trachsel				0		2		2		2		0		0		0		2
	Cook				0		2		1		1		0		0		0		2
	Rusch				0		1		0		0		0		0		0		1
	Leach				0		1		0		0		0		0		0		1
	Totals				2		12		8		5		2		1		0		21

	PITCHING: Pitches-Strikes: Franco — 6-4. Gooden — 9-4. Orosco — 11-7. Dillon — 2-1. Martinez — 10-5. Trachsel — 4-3. Cook — 10-6. Rusch — 1-1. Leach — 3-1. Inherited runners- Scored: Gooden — 1-0. Orosco — 3-0. Dillon — 2-2. Martinez — 1-1. Cook — 2-2. Rusch — 2-0. Leach — 3-1. * Martinez's walk of Ventura is counted here but was disregarded in game play.

PLAY LOG



Top of the First, Miracles Up.

Franco pitching.
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Gwreck Sep 01 2022 10:57 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

The only correction I have is that in the bottom of the first, Teufel and Floyd advanced to third and second by operation of the “walk” that wasn't. I was keeping a scorebook in real time and did fine with the batting out of order, and the Elster/Santana two-batters-in-one. But when the players started playing for both teams, it was hopeless. I will also note that in what was some exceptionally generous exercising of discretion, whoever the “official scorer” was did not charge any errors in real time.

Edgy MD Sep 02 2022 06:35 AM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

Yeah, I did my own scoring. I was generous too, but not crazy.

G-Fafif Sep 21 2022 01:52 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mets/status/1572622487892140032[/tweet]

Gwreck Sep 21 2022 05:56 PM Re: Inside Old Timers Day

I was wondering when that was going to go up. Odd it took them so long (not to retire it generally, but to actually put the number up after retiring it 4 weeks ago).