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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Beck

4 votes

Pat Benatar

8 votes

Kate Bush

2 votes

Devo

5 votes

Duran Duran

7 votes

Eminem

0 votes

Eurythmics

9 votes

Judas Priest

8 votes

Fela Kuti

5 votes

MC5

5 votes

New York Dolls

5 votes

Dolly Parton

1 votes

Rage Against the Machine

0 votes

Lionel Richie

1 votes

Carly Simon

7 votes

A Tribe Called Quest

3 votes

Dionne Warwick

4 votes

Marshmallowmilkshake Feb 02 2022 11:05 AM

From Duran Duran to Eminem, Pat Benatar to Beck, the 2022 nominee lineup for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is stocked with prime MTV-era favorites. Joining that colorful quartet of artists are Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon, Dionne Warwick, Eurythmics, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Devo, Judas Priest, Fela Kuti, MC5, New York Dolls and Rage Against the Machine. Not a bad list to choose from this year!

Edgy MD Feb 02 2022 11:11 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Odd that Lionel gets nominated but The Commodores never have. Actually, The Commodores should be in the Soccer Hall of Fame. [YOUTUBE]phNLASyPsUU[/YOUTUBE]

TransMonk Feb 02 2022 11:23 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Lots of worthy acts this year. It's hard for me to whittle this list down very far.

MFS62 Feb 02 2022 11:24 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

When I think of rock and roll the name Dolly Parton never springs to mind. But as long as Pat Benitar's name is there, I'm satisfied. I'll be happier if she gets voted in. Later

Willets Point Feb 02 2022 11:55 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

There's a really good case for all of these nominees.

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 02 2022 11:57 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Dolly will get in

Edgy MD Feb 02 2022 12:10 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

A lot of real oldies. Dolly is 76. Dionne is 81. Fela is 83 and almost 25 years dead.

Edgy MD Feb 02 2022 03:49 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Do the acts that had strong and celebrated peaks, but rather than grinding it out through a long career tail, instead mostly continued on with successful acting careers, get less credit for the mostly-less-than-musical second acts? Asking on behalf of a queen (Latifah) and a prince (Fresh).

MFS62 Feb 02 2022 04:46 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Esquire writer's view of the new nominees: https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a38962341/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominations-2022/?fbclid=IwAR0vicNDzczk7-jsksjjHGxm0MIUDcgiJFpGqb1NRVW6SCvOJUyrAB0ulQ4 Later

ashie62 Feb 09 2022 07:29 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

NEW YORK DOLLS while David is still with us.

kcmets Feb 09 2022 10:16 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

This year's annual I-can't-believe _________ isn't already in goes to: [YOUTUBE]mY77Ng7sZrs[/YOUTUBE] See ya'll next year!

Edgy MD Feb 09 2022 10:28 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Yeah, it's a really conflicting ballot, as some of the leading candidates (Dolly, Dionne, and Lionel) have less than 10% rock 'n' roll content behind them, while some other candidates are perhaps lower profile (Priest, MC5, New York Dolls), but have 80+% rock 'n' roll content. It's sort of an interesting crossroads.

kcmets Feb 09 2022 10:33 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Priest sold out arenas and stadiums for nearly four decades. (oh wait, I've exceeded my annual post limit on the subject)

Edgy MD Feb 09 2022 10:45 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Hey, they've got my vote.

Edgy MD Feb 09 2022 11:46 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

And if any of youse haven't seen Heavy Metal Parking Lot, good God, put on some popcorn and make a night of it. Those filmmakers belong in the RnRHoF themselves.

ashie62 Feb 09 2022 01:27 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Devo YES Not a ton of output but long on influence. Their song "Mongoloid has not aged well. Most of America first saw them live on ABC's Fridays Judas Priest YES Selling records and stadiums for decades. Eurythmics YES Anne Lennox and Dave Stewart are class acts. New York Dolls YES the segueway from glam to punk. Bowie and Marc Bolan would agree. They were asked once "why in drag' David said because girls like to play with dolls and they come to us. Beck YES Like Prince Beck can play every instrument. Terrific albums MC5 NO Wayne Kramer was a ham and egger. He did some Hearbreakers LAMF gigs with Walter Lure Clem Burke Stinson from the Mats. Walter has claimed Kramer's lawyer wife absconded with the money. Carly Simon Dolly Parton and Lionel Ritchie Dionne WarwickYES They have to have someone for the Ergutun wing Rage Against the Machine NO All their songs sound the same, like Sonic Youth Kate Bush NO Just a little too esoteric, great talent Pat Benatar YES I am getting soft. And if I had my way Nick Lowe.

Edgy MD Feb 09 2022 01:41 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

What's a ham-and-egger?

kcmets Feb 09 2022 01:56 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Pat Benatar rock and rolled a hell lot more than Carly Simon, Dolly Parton, Lionel Ritchie and Dionne Warwick. (two over annual quota, but things are slow in other areas of interest so chiming in)

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 09 2022 02:26 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I'm pretty much on Team Ashie here. I'm also resigned to a "big hall" My wishlist: Joe Jackson-- great writer and arranger, prolific and diverse stylistically, had a giant hit, bridged new wave to world music in the 80s Squeeze-- songwriter's songwriters, longevity, several unforgettable songs, respect that dozens could have been hits had they dumbed down the lyrics Midnight Oil -- Woke before woke was cool, gigantic album with several hits, defined sound of a nation with native instrumentation and cultural sounds (surf guitar and digeridoo) Nick Lowe -- writer and producer of several big hits by him and others, member of several memorable bands, great second act as a UK Americana exporter

Edgy MD Feb 09 2022 10:57 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

You can scratch off a couple of wish list items by inducting Rockpile, and getting Lowe and Edmunds with them.

kcmets Feb 10 2022 05:15 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Edgy MD wrote: What's a ham-and-egger? The Googlegods offer a few explanations: What does it mean to be called a ham and egger? "Like ham and eggs" refers to things that typically go together and are difficult to separate. To "ham and egg it" is to plug away at something. "Ham and eggs" or "ham and egger" can also refer to an ordinary, unskilled or mediocre person. Where does the phrase ham and Egger come from? A ham-and-egger job, meaning a weak effort or a dud, comes from boxing, where a ham-and-egger fighter doesn't have much fight in him, it's just someone doing it to earn a meal. The idiom goes as far back as at least 1918, when it showed up in a U.S. Navy journal.May 29, 2015 There's also some lawyer and lawyer references so it's pretty universal. New to me...

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 10 2022 05:21 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Oh I'm not supporting Benatar, she didn't really do anything Joan Jett didn't do better except have more hits, but I can't really make an argument for her influence

kcmets Feb 10 2022 06:47 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

=kcmets post_id=85699 time=1644495357 user_id=53] There's also some lawyer and lawyer references so it's pretty universal. New to me...

I meant lawyer and golfing references. What day is it?

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 10 2022 06:59 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Squeeze were also the first new wave band to successfully tour the USA. I read that in Miles Copeland's fun new book

TransMonk Feb 10 2022 07:08 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Oh I'm not supporting Benatar, she didn't really do anything Joan Jett didn't do better except have more hits, but I can't really make an argument for her influence Yup.

Frayed Knot Feb 10 2022 07:27 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Oh I'm not supporting Benatar, she didn't really do anything Joan Jett didn't do better except have more hits, but I can't really make an argument for her influence Yup. Whatttaya talkingabout? She had a Yuge influence on the fashion choices at Ridgemont High!!

TransMonk Feb 10 2022 07:44 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Kate Bush >>> Pat Benetar in the musical influence category, IMO.

Marshmallowmilkshake Feb 10 2022 07:52 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Oh I'm not supporting Benatar, she didn't really do anything Joan Jett didn't do better except have more hits, but I can't really make an argument for her influence I'm on Team Benatar! I think success is as important as influence or an operation like this. If Stevie Nicks is in there as a solo artist in addition to Fleetwood Mac, I don't know you keep out Pat, who had a prolonged period of success.

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 10 2022 08:13 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

bleh. She also didn't write many of her own songs

kcmets Feb 10 2022 08:25 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Well, neither did Dionne Warwick.

Willets Point Feb 10 2022 08:27 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Ah, just induct them all and have an awesome concert. That's all that really matters anyway.

Willets Point Feb 10 2022 08:31 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

On the other hand, Elvis Presley didn't write any of his songs, so he should be expelled from the R&R Hall of Fame.

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 10 2022 08:46 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Yeah but Elvis was hugely influential and a great singer, and Pat Nebatar isn't. She had a few lively hits at the right moment, went out of style quickly, and had nothing with which to fuel a comeback or sustained success

Edgy MD Feb 10 2022 11:26 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I don't want to conflate Kramer's legacy with the overall legacy of the MC5. But if a ham-and-egger means a troubadour who has long since fallen out of fashion, but is out there touring year after year, often without bands, lugging their own amps despite the persistent lumbago, I'm all for a few more of them in the R&RHoF. Somewhere among the Wayne Kramers, the Nick Lowes, the Jonathan Richmans, the Richie Havenses, the Dave Alvins, the Eliza Gilkysons, the Lucindas and Arlos, the Billy Braggs, the Susan Cowsills, and the Marshall Crenshaws, playing back rooms and church basements, making most of their music sales at the merch stands, there has to be a few Hall-of-Famers in there. These are the ones really keeping the lamps lit, living on pub grub and expired insurance. And since their business model means they're only as viable as their last show, there's a good chance that when you see them, as haggard and arthritic as they are, they're gonna play like it's the last show before doomsday. For them, it may well be.

kcmets Feb 10 2022 11:45 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Pretty sure that the selection committee who put Madonna in on her first ballot has no idea who Wayne Kramer,, Nick Lowe, Jonathan Richman, Richie Havens, Dave Alvin, Eliza Gilkyson... or even Marshal Crenshaw are at this point.

Edgy MD Feb 10 2022 11:58 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I don't believe Richie's ever even been nominated, which is something considering what a boost playing Woodstock has been for a résumé. Seven acts from Woodstock's Day Two are in, but only Joan Baez from Day One, and she had to wait until 2017.

Edgy MD Feb 15 2022 08:41 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

It may not be the bottom line or anything, but neither is it irrelevant. The MC5 seemed to always have some kickass artwork. https://cleorecs.com/store/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/MC5_Kick_out_the_jams_5X5.jpg> You bought an MC5 record, and you felt like you got a tattoo or joined a gang. You had that record laying around and you totally felt for a few days like you've bought into a whole new lifestyle or persona.

MFS62 Mar 14 2022 10:18 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Dolly Parton removed her name from the ballot. https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2022/03/14/dolly-parton-declines-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-consideration/7035465001/ But in an interview with Billboard last month, Parton said never saw herself as a rock 'n' roller "in any sense of the word." Later

Edgy MD Mar 14 2022 12:25 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

That's great. She respects the Hall more than they respect themselves. I like her working her rarely mentioned husband into the statement. It should however be noted that Dolly has a non-zero rock 'n' roll legacy. [YOUTUBE]oPQCcvBtL80[/YOUTUBE]

Johnny Lunchbucket Mar 14 2022 12:47 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Wow, sounds like Bangles went to school on that one

Edgy MD Mar 30 2022 11:50 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I've added a poll to this thread. Please vote for up to five acts to make the Hall a better thing.

Willets Point Mar 30 2022 12:11 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Only 5? Most of these artists should already be enshrined.

Edgy MD Mar 30 2022 12:31 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Restraints make the challenge more lively?

kcmets Mar 30 2022 12:43 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Plus, if you rig the game it gets more people talking about it. That's what The Hall does every year.

Edgy MD Mar 30 2022 01:00 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Voters traditionally get up to five votes from the ballot, so the idea was to mimic the official process.

kcmets Mar 30 2022 01:03 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Just rib-eyeing. And not you really, the whole sorry shebang of a hall.

Frayed Knot Mar 30 2022 02:59 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I find myself extremely indifferent to all of them.

Edgy MD Mar 30 2022 04:14 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Interestingly enough, Carly Simon stakes out an early lead, despite her acoustic singer-songwriter sound being more r'n'r adjacent, than r'n'r. But she used to say that, when she wrote, she always tried to start by coming up with chord changes that Keith Richards would use. Take that as you may. The thundering drum-fills on her records may have always sounded a little muted by the mixing guy, but if there wasn't always a crash-boom-pow!, there was usually some sizzle. [YOUTUBE]PDJ_Mz8ftqI[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD Mar 31 2022 11:53 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Pulling into a tie for first is Beck, whose sound could be so DIY that sometimes you get a richer mix from live versions. Unfortunately, you don't always get the highest-res videos, but whuddaygonnado? This song works for me. [YOUTUBE]HlbXj3CIuYc[/YOUTUBE]

smg58 Mar 31 2022 01:05 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

A number of performers I respect but none of my favorites outside of Kate Bush. So she gets vote #1. My next three would be Eurhythmics, Judas Priest, and Fela.

cal sharpie Apr 01 2022 10:05 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I went Beck, Fela, MC5, NY Dolls and Carly Simon but I wouldn't object to Devo (whom I love but not sure they need to go in first ballot), Eurythmics or Kate Bush. Neutral on the rest except Dionne Warwick -- Neil Diamond once said something to the effect that the R&RHOF should be for music that young people listen to and not be so hung up on what is rock and what isn't. I can agree with that but sorry young people never listened to Dionne Warwick.

Willets Point Apr 01 2022 12:11 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I did love “That's What Friends are For”'when I was 11.

Edgy MD Apr 01 2022 12:57 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Actually nominated for the third time, and currently in a tie for first place with five votes, are those lads from Akron ... DEVO! [YOUTUBE]M4Q35e0-fPQ[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD Apr 13 2022 03:59 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

In a three-way tie for the last two spots is that duo that you know, an act who never met a gender they couldn't bend, one from Aberdeen and one from Sunderland, but formed in Australia out of the ruins of a failed London band, Eurythmics!! [YOUTUBE]gf_OsStVpzs[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD Apr 14 2022 10:15 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Late votes have put Carly Simon alone in the lead with a five-way tie for second. One of those in the second place scrum is unironically the world's greatest-ever metal band featuring a short-haired vocalist, and, like, no tattoos. On anybody! [YOUTUBE]yMVV_HsHcX0[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD Apr 18 2022 03:06 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Further votes have left us with a four-way tie for first. While that's good news for Benatar, Eurythmics, Priest, and Carly, it leaves a real scramble for that last spot. Currently one vote out of the money is Beck, who didn't always rock, but he rolled with the best of them. Sometimes, though, he totally did both. [YOUTUBE]z2hvp9u1QBI[/YOUTUBE]

kcmets Apr 18 2022 03:22 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Made it to 1:03. Unwatchable. Unlistenable. Not HOF material.

Edgy MD Apr 18 2022 04:18 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

So that's one vote for "ham 'n' egger"!

The Hot Corner Apr 18 2022 05:29 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I liked "Loser" back in the day, but Beck was, at least to me, a one hit wonder. Now, even "Loser" doesn't sound as cutting edge or as listenable to me. Not in my personal Hall of Fame.

kcmets Apr 18 2022 06:23 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

[YOUTUBE]9oaC0SW1i8M[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD Apr 18 2022 07:44 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I like that both the clip you posted and mine feature an opener, where Halford begins singing backstage and just wanders calmly under the lights like he was just passing by. He doesn't waste his bullets on the entrance. He lets an understated entrance sell itself and dials it up from there.

Edgy MD Apr 19 2022 06:09 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Duran Duran were never the biggest band in the world, but they were damn close in between The Police and U2. What stopped their conquering sweep was an American market that held them at arm's length, not quite sure if they were for real or just a whiny gimmick created for Tiger Beat spreads. While few had a "classic lineup" quite as iconic as DD's early eighties roster, their redirection following their Power Station splinter was more compelling, at least to me, with Warren Cucurullo adding textured guitar beds and arpeggios that sustained them through the nineties in a way that revealed the sporadic midi riffs of Andy Taylor to be the trite games we kind of suspected they were. The 2016 John Carney film Sing Street is set in 1985, featuring a character describing the Duran Duran enigma in depth: "The jury is out on which way these guys will go. They're a lot of fun, and John Taylor is one of the most proficient bass players in the UK right now, giving them a funky edge which I hope they'll go with." It's funny because it's still kind of true. The jury is still out. But that jury is you. And the verdict is yours to hand down. [YOUTUBE]Epj84QVw2rc[/YOUTUBE]

Fman99 Apr 19 2022 06:36 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

That's catchy, I dig it. Those songs are still enjoyable to me. I like this one. [youtube]Fp4CR2HcHLQ[/youtube]

Edgy MD Apr 21 2022 10:32 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

FUN FACT THAT'S KINDA NOT FUN: Fela Kuti and Ginger Baker got on so well in England, that Baker headed down to Nigeria to play with him, and they started a band together and debuted in London with big plans to conquer both worlds. But the two had a falling out when Fela told a friend heading to England to look Ginger up. The guy had packed a whole lot of weed in one of his drums, and when customs grabbed him, they found Baker's address on him. Baker was immediately busted and his daughter kicked out of private school. Oops. Anyhow, Fela Kuti, whose act never sounded the same twice, sits alone in eighth place with four votes. [YOUTUBE]34hg9Ir8efs[/YOUTUBE]

kcmets Apr 21 2022 10:41 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Hiding drugs in your friend's luggage, not cool lol...

Edgy MD Apr 21 2022 11:10 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

FUN FACT THAT'S ALSO KINDA NOT FUN: Nigeria's official language is English, despite hundreds of tongues being spoken every day in the country. So, if Kuti beats the odds and wins election to the Hall, that would sill leave only one act inducted from a non Anglophone country. Although there are certainly several Carlos Santanas out there, born in a non-Anglophone country but making it big with an American band, ABBA, of all acts, stands alone in their non-Anglo glory.

Edgy MD Apr 23 2022 08:35 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Are you part of the growing contingent of fans who are furious over the under-representation of Staten Island in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? OF COURSE you are! That's why you need to consider throwing your support behind The New York Dolls. [YOUTUBE]2aQTGqqXHw4[/YOUTUBE]

kcmets Apr 23 2022 04:23 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

So Ashie and I voted for The Dolls, who was third vote?

TransMonk Apr 23 2022 04:46 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Me. They are a no-doubter in my mind.

Edgy MD Apr 23 2022 07:01 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

On the plus side, they are well loved legends and broadly influential in both the punk and metal worlds, even though they are more of a raunchy glam bluesy American version of the transgressive early 70s Stones, which is mostly a good thing. This makes them a nodal point, which is an important thing to have in a museum. On the flip side, they didn't leave behind a whole lot of great recordings to let people who missed their moment fully know what they represent. Red Patent Leather sounds like it was recorded on a cassette player hidden inside of Rerun's coat. Also — I'm not sure if it's a plus or minus — they're mostly dead.

Willets Point Apr 23 2022 11:28 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Edgy MD wrote: Also — I'm not sure if it's a plus or minus — they're mostly dead. https://www.yourvibration.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/mostly_dead-300x169.png>

Edgy MD Apr 24 2022 12:16 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

If you see Dionne's name on your ballot, and are considering checking her box, then don't ... stop! [YOUTUBE]bpoBISzUP4o[/YOUTUBE]

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2022 01:31 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Fun fact: Dionne's name was actually Warrick until a mis-spelling on an early record release prompted a professional and personal name change.

cal sharpie Apr 25 2022 08:51 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I also voted for the Dolls. In Richard Hell's (excellent) memoir, I Dreamed I Was a Very Clean Tramp, he writes that in the early CBGB days there were four bands that frequently played there: the NY Dolls, Television, the Ramones and the band that ultimately changed its name to Blondie. He writes that it was clear that the Dolls and Television were the best bands around but instead it was the other two that made it big.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2022 09:16 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

They may be ham 'n' eggers, but The MC5 are part of a very short conversation, along with The Dolls, about who the rock 'n' rolliest act on this ballot is. Currently in 10th place with three votes, the MC5. [YOUTUBE]0tx8GiTFK-I[/YOUTUBE] Both bands chose a name that makes them champions of their respective cities, and in a head-to-head vote, I'm not sure I don't go for the MCs.

kcmets Apr 25 2022 09:56 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Funny, sometimes Blue Oyster Cult used to open shows with a version of that song and I never realized it was a cover.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2022 10:12 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Yeah, it's the one MC5 song everybody had a version of, whether or not they incorporated it into their sets. [YOUTUBE]jPjKVyT8C-c[/YOUTUBE] A quick pan on YouTube shows me versions by REM, Silverchair, Henry Rollins, Rage Against the Machine, Mudhoney & Pearl Jam, Presidents of the USA, Jeff Buckley, etc. A lot of the same acts in the same situation as the MCs, in fact — who have enough of a devoted following to get nominated, but are just a bit too culty to get inducted.

TransMonk Apr 25 2022 12:35 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I'm still not understanding all the Benatar love. She didn't write her songs or play an instrument and only danced after Thriller. She only had 4 top-10 US hits (1 top-5, no #1s) and her hit-generating career lasted less than ten years.

cal sharpie Apr 25 2022 12:36 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

So, Rage Against the Machine are also on the ballot this year. If they both get in they can get together with the remnants of MC5 to do a combined version.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2022 12:54 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

=TransMonk post_id=90261 time=1650911740 user_id=71] I'm still not understanding all the Benatar love. She didn't write her songs or play an instrument and only danced after Thriller. She only had 4 top-10 US hits (1 top-5, no #1s) and her hit-generating career lasted less than ten years.

Long have we suspected the Benatar camp of tampering with the CP electorate, and have been investigating them for providing copious access to events, backstage passes, and swag bags to ballot-holders as election time rolls around.



While we want to assure voters and fans that we have not been able to trace these campaigns back to Ms. Benatar herself (as we did in the case of KISS' full-on hookers-and-blow offensive of 2011), we feel it's important to remind the electorate to watch out for candidates and their representatives attempting to unduly influence the balloting.



We'd hate to have an outcome that's less than 100% pure, transparent, and reliably credible.

Johnny Lunchbucket Apr 25 2022 07:43 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

=TransMonk post_id=90261 time=1650911740 user_id=71] I'm still not understanding all the Benatar love. She didn't write her songs or play an instrument and only danced after Thriller. She only had 4 top-10 US hits (1 top-5, no #1s) and her hit-generating career lasted less than ten years.

Preach

ashie62 Apr 26 2022 12:46 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Benatar sold a boatload of records. She also had a great rack and tush. Kinda worked for me when I saw this ballot a couple of months ago. This time around I only voted for three. I came around full circle on the MC5, they belong, with the Dollsd and Eurythmics.

Edgy MD Apr 26 2022 01:29 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Kate Bush is as challenging a candidate as any critic can imagine. She's as enigmatic and cult-y as they come. She's alternately appealing and offputting. She typically draws her arrangements from orchestrations and synths rather than electric guitars and drum kits. She's spent her career fully rock adjacent, but rarely actually rocking. She goes decades between albums, and ages between tours, but when they come around, people who you never knew liked her or even thought much about music lose their shit and line up for days. Her soprano vocalizations and hyperstylized performances seem more operatic and balletic than pop-music oriented, but when mixed for the dance club, her records absolutely fill the floor. She's looked at as a protege of no less than three male rock legends, but is also thought of as an independent feminist icon that has carved her own unique path. Yeah, she's a fascinating weirdo, one among many. Perhaps she should just be satisfied in her overall #16 ranking in the Women of Post-Punk/New-Wave/Power-Pop Countdown. But in an alternative timeline not too divergent from ours, it's her brand of gauzy, romantic, Bronte-haunted, tasseled mysticism that has fronted Fleetwood Mac to superstardom, with Stevie Nicks riding the alterna-cult route. You know it's true. I know it's true. And you know that I know that you know it's true. [YOUTUBE]9ipM__nt8fM[/YOUTUBE] She has some very high-profile fans. [YOUTUBE]X9nVeHRB9D8[/YOUTUBE]

Willets Point Apr 26 2022 01:50 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Kate Bush is cultish in the US, but a huge star in her native UK.

cal sharpie Apr 26 2022 01:55 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

In the list of women currently nominated I would put Kate Bush behind only slightly behind Carly Simon and Annie Lennox and miles ahead of Pat Benatar and Dionne Warwick. Not counting Dolly Parton since she has taken herself out of competition.

Edgy MD Apr 26 2022 02:07 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Willets Point wrote: Kate Bush is cultish in the US, but a huge star in her native UK. This is certainly true, but The Cliff Richard Effect still hurts her candidacy with the RnRHoF's US-centric voting board. It certainly doesn't have to hurt her here, though.

kcmets Apr 26 2022 02:30 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Edgy MD wrote: It certainly doesn't have to hurt her here, though. The votes are in here. Why have you been lobbying like some HALL PAC to change people's minds. We're a very small segment of, like, nowhere. I forget if I posted my votes from like two months ago but here they are: D-E-V-O Eurthymics Judas Priest New York Dolls Carly Simon I'll revisit MC5 next year. The only best funny thing is (here in our very small segment of nowhere) is that Eminem got not votes. So that's something.

Edgy MD Apr 26 2022 02:34 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I just think of it as fun to feature people from day to day and talk about them forum-like.

kcmets Apr 26 2022 02:43 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Fair enough, good answer. Just felt like you were lobbying, musta been me...

Edgy MD Apr 26 2022 02:57 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

My ballot is Beck, Devo, Eurythmics, Priest, and Carly Simon. I'm damn close to pulling my Beck vote and giving it to the Dolls or MC5, though.

kcmets Apr 26 2022 03:05 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Yeah, I don't get the Beck thing. I don't get a lot of things lol...

MFS62 Apr 26 2022 03:26 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I haven't been checking, but my wife told me that the three top vote getters this week are: Duran Duran Eminem Pat Benitar. Later

Edgy MD Apr 27 2022 07:58 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

She still holds two votes, despite telling the world she doesn't WANT your stupid votes. She is Dolly Parton. [YOUTUBE]8e-Ip9RagkU[/YOUTUBE]

Frayed Knot Apr 28 2022 04:59 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Prior to Dolly, was it public knowledge that a group/artist could remove themselves from the R&RHoF ballot simply by saying so? Last year's inductee Todd Rundgren had made public statements over the years of the 'If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve' variety (including at least once in those specific words) but such comments obviously didn't remove him from consideration. And, indeed, TR wound up being a no-show at his own show despite Patti Smith's intro. Parton may have hit on something here to the point where not only might future possibilities pre-decline the potential honor but past inductees might want to de-select themselves from ever having been included in the first place. 'Hey Jann, this is Paul, I've decided I want no part of your dog and pony show so scrub my name from everything attached to that odd-looking building in Cleveland will ya'? And, if not, you'll be hearing from one or more of my many lawyers.

Edgy MD Apr 28 2022 05:09 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Well, the Hall didn't remove Dolly from the ballot, despite her polite request. As for Paul, assuming we mean McCartney, he's become quite the enthusiastic participant in later years. I tend to think half the problem with the Hall's weird relationship to its own identity can be traced to the Beatles.

Frayed Knot Apr 28 2022 06:05 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

So there's still time to organize a guerrilla campaign on the internet to get Dolly elected despite her wishes? ... that would be cool!!

kcmets Apr 28 2022 06:42 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Hell, build Dolly a wing NOW!! Name it Double D. I think the 'funnest' thing to do would be to create an inter-web campaign on who to remove from The Hall. Or maybe just a CPF thread...

Marshmallowmilkshake Apr 28 2022 06:53 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

=TransMonk post_id=90261 time=1650911740 user_id=71] I'm still not understanding all the Benatar love. She didn't write her songs or play an instrument and only danced after Thriller. She only had 4 top-10 US hits (1 top-5, no #1s) and her hit-generating career lasted less than ten years.

I'm on Team Benatar. I don't know if she needs to write songs or play an instrument. I would say she's a great performer with a lot of great songs. Even if the hits lasted less than 10 years, that's a darned good run.

Edgy MD Apr 28 2022 07:34 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Longevity on the charts is a standard. But if it's the standard, most nominees (most honorees) would be in trouble, especially women. It'd sure be bad news for the Fela Kuti candidacy. She's not on my ballot, but if nothing else, her brand of romance-as-combat thumpers sure embodied the most broadly embraced definition of whatever "rock" meant for her moment. If you touched down in late 1982 and asked 100,000 folks with a broad range of predispositions what they think of "rock," no small amount would say, "You mean, like, that chick?"

kcmets Apr 28 2022 10:35 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Plus, who wouldn't wanna thump a hottie who yelps "you're the right kind sinner to release my inner fantasies" into a mic with that caboose of hers? And I'm voting for 'Buster Poindexter!' I may need to call my therapist...

Willets Point Apr 28 2022 11:02 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

In respect to Dolly's wishes, I flipped my vote to A Tribe Called Quest. As said before though, I could probably make a case for any of these artists with the exception of Eminem. He's just so nasty and hateful that I've never understood the appeal. Of course, he's probably a shoe-in for enshrinement.

Edgy MD Apr 28 2022 11:23 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

And I've switched my Beck vote to The MC5. More importantly, somebody has either switched a vote or added a vote for Duran Duran, putting them in lone possession of our fifth and final spot!

Edgy MD Apr 28 2022 11:39 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Willets Point wrote: I flipped my vote to A Tribe Called Quest. Your vote pulls A Tribe into a tie for 12th with Dionne, and they didn't even have to do a psychic hotline commercial for the recognition. A nice honor for an act who goes back to the days when a good rap track was a short story — with a beat looped off of one of your dad's records and a hook culled from one of your mom's. [YOUTUBE]WILyWmT2A-Q[/YOUTUBE]

kcmets Apr 28 2022 12:02 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

If Priest doesn't get in I'm gonna have a cow, man... [YOUTUBE]UmrU9lMxzRM[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD May 01 2022 07:16 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

You may not associate him with the crash! the boom! and the bang! but Lionel Richie was King Midas in the recording industry for a not insignificant period. Everything he touched turned to gold. While that was too often a piano ballad, he always had a little something stashed away in the brick house out back. [YOUTUBE]UEokVJk9MiA[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD May 02 2022 07:36 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Lionel may be nobody's idea of rawk royalty, he sure had the royalty on speed dial. That's Eric Clapton on lead guitar for the above track. Sometime in the last few days, he gained his first vote in this poll!

TransMonk May 04 2022 06:57 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie Lead Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2022 Class Rolling Stone wrote: The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has officially announced this year's inductees: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, and Carly Simon will join the class of 2022 in the Performers category. Ugh.

Edgy MD May 04 2022 07:35 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

That's just ... a bad job there, Jan Wenner. Desperately trying to make everyone happy, and ultimately making no one happy, including, in some cases, the honorees. Lionel Richie sadly is just way too plugged in to have missed. He presented the Ahmet Ertegun award last year, so I strongly suspected this was coming. The people around him — Clive Davis, Red Light Managment, et al. — are the guys who could have the RnRHoF burned down with a snap of the fingers. Ninety-year-old heavies like Davis, with Jan Wenner's ear, are the problem that nobody seems to want to solve. Judas Priest should play a show across town the same night as the banquet and embarrass everybody.

kcmets May 04 2022 07:47 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Eminem lol... [YOUTUBE]J4d5sMg8eCE[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD May 04 2022 08:14 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

The alleged ballot results have given us something close to the very worst outcome.

stevejrogers May 04 2022 08:17 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

=kcmets post_id=91278 time=1651672023 user_id=53] Eminem lol... [YOUTUBE]J4d5sMg8eCE[/YOUTUBE]

Dolly didn't even want to be inducted! LOL!



She's been a well known icon for decades, sure and fine her music has been covered by other genre artists, including a very iconic early 1990s Whitney Houston hit.



But she never was an artist who's act was able to transcend genres the way Johnny Cash or Willie Nelson had.



Clearly this is more about her as a person and noted icon than the body of her music career.

Frayed Knot May 04 2022 09:22 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Wait until next year's unveiling of the Keith Richards exhibit at Dollywood.

Marshmallowmilkshake May 04 2022 01:55 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie Lead Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2022 Class Rolling Stone wrote: The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has officially announced this year's inductees: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, and Carly Simon will join the class of 2022 in the Performers category. Ugh. A very 1980s class! I'm ok with most of that. Good to see Pat Benatar get the recognition!

MFS62 May 04 2022 03:18 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Frayed Knot wrote: Wait until next year's unveiling of the Keith Richards exhibit at Dollywood. I get this mental image of young children running from Dollyworld, screaming. Later

ashie62 May 04 2022 03:39 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 2022 nominees

Dolly asked that she not be inducted, but she will. Class act. Eminem is the 10th rapper/group. Judas Priest is getting their own category for breakin the law. And 100's of grinders have been ignored. I nominate Wreckless Eric. I hope Expedia paid him well for using "Whole Wide World."

Johnny Lunchbucket May 11 2022 10:13 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

LOLOLOOL [TWEET]https://twitter.com/WMcHBg/status/1524138775219257345[/TWEET]

Fman99 May 11 2022 12:43 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie Lead Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2022 Class Rolling Stone wrote: The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has officially announced this year's inductees: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, and Carly Simon will join the class of 2022 in the Performers category. Ugh. So dumb. Just call it the Popular Music Hall of Fame. Please stop selling me hip hop, R&B, and country music as rock and roll cause it ain't .

Johnny Lunchbucket May 11 2022 12:57 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I probably sound sexist here but Nebatar and Carly Simon really don't have strong cases. And Duran Duran--like they were important but for a short moment. Once MTV wasn't a novelty anymore neither were they and some of their post-stardom stuff I've heard is garbage and none of it commercially successful. Eurythmics were a little similar but at least Annie Lennox would be a good singer in any era

batmagadanleadoff May 11 2022 01:54 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I probably sound sexist here but Nebatar and Carly Simon really don't have strong cases. And Duran Duran--like they were important but for a short moment. Once MTV wasn't a novelty anymore neither were they and some of their post-stardom stuff I've heard is garbage and none of it commercially successful. Eurythmics were a little similar but at least Annie Lennox would be a good singer in any era I totally agree with all of this. I don't get the R&R HOF at all. I mean, I get the obvious stuff, like why Little Richard, for example, or Jimi Hendrix would be in there. But it seems to me that anyone who's had a good two or three year run is in that HOF. It would be like baseball admitting into Cooperstown, anyone who won a major piece of hardware. It's like a baseball HOF that includes Tom Seaver, but also Jon Matlack and Joe Charboneau. I don't make a fuss about this because I see it as mostly for fun and in any event, I don't see the R&R HOFas a serious institution, and have little interest in it, anyways.

Edgy MD May 11 2022 03:33 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

If only it were that consistent, but there are plenty of folks who have had well more than two or three years in their run who haven't been nominated, and others who have struggled to have any real run of success at all who have been inducted.

Edgy MD May 11 2022 04:12 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Also, we're looking at a partial list. Performer Category Pat Benatar & Neil Giraldo Duran Duran Eminem Eurythmics Dolly Parton Lionel Richie Carly Simon The Girlado thing is just goofy. It continues the weird new tradition, starting with Joan Jett and Kenny Aranoff, of inducting wimmen rockers with the dude behind the scenes. Plenty of managers and producers and such deserve consideration and even induction, but George Martin and Brian Epstein were inducted apart from and as separate cases from The Beatles, and to have a different attitude toward females is kinda condescending. Who was grinding for a Giraldo induction? He wasn't even on the ballot, but then after Benatar gets in, he gets tacked on there? Weak. Musical Excellence Award Judas Priest Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis This continues another cheap and stupid back-door maneuver of using the MEA to get in somebody who couldn't be shoehorned through on the ballot. Ringo Starr, who put 99% of whatever musical excellence he had into The Beatles, for which he was rightly honored, was inducted this way to satisfy Paul McCartney's concern that Ringo hadn't been inducted, which he had, as a member of the Beatles, which he deserved, but Paul didn't show up, and nobody wanted to explain it to him, because ... Trump, probably. Similarly, after Chic failed to get in after ten nominations, they inducted Nile Rogers individually with the same musical excellence award. Nile is no slouch musically, but his work as a producer and a composer and the leader of Chic are his real calling card. If you really want to honor his musicianship, to not honor the far more respected Bernard Edwards and Tony Thompson is silly. If anybody is going to make an argument for Judas Priest that, "Well, I didn't think much of them as an act, but their musicianship really moved the needle," I'd sure like to hear it. I certainly wouldn't knock their musicianship a bit, but Priest was a fucking touring, arena filling machine, not a collection of in-demand session musicians. Honor Toto for their musicianship. Early Influence Award Harry Belafonte Elizabeth Cotten Harry Belafonte was Harry Belafonte. He wasn't early, and he was only kinda influential. Nobody would argue "Man, think of all the big calypso artists of the seventies who owe a debt to Harry!" Calypso came to American radio and concert halls before Harry, and kinda faded along with him. He's a singular American individual with a hell of a legacy. Whether that makes him a RnRHoFer is a question that should be considered in it's own right, but not by pretending he was making proto-rock 'n' roll in the fourties. He wasn't. Ahmet Ertegun Award Allen Grubman Jimmy Iovine Sylvia Robinson The Ahmet Ertegun Award shall be given to non-performing industry professionals who, through their dedicated belief and support of artists and their music, have had a major influence on the creative development and growth of rock & roll and music that has impacted youth culture. So, managers, A&R folks, record executives, deejays, promoters, lawyers, and guys who could have you killed. All make sense. Jimmy Iovine is a founder of Interscope Records, and that's not nothing, but he should really be inducted for producing Easter, Damn the Torpedoes, Making Movies, Get Close, A Very Special Christmas, and Damn the Torpedoes again. And Making Movies again. But that's just me. Sylvia Robinson was certainly a performer too. These are actually all worthy folks, although as label execs they made their marks in disco, hip-hop, and hip-hop, respectively. Any of these can be justified if there just was some explicit and internally consistent logic applied, but because there isn't, everybody is unhappy. If you told a Priest fan that the band didn't make it into the RnRHoF as performers, that fan would likely say, "Well, fuck the RnRHoF!" but if he or she was told that it's all good, because Priest is being recognized with the Award for Musical Excellence, they might pause briefly, and think "Fuck the RnRHoF and fuck their consolation prizes." But, you know, they keep turning down my applications and not responding to my carefully constructed e-mails, so I'm guessing they don't give a shit.

vtmet7 May 15 2022 11:39 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

spinning off of the Pat Benatar & Neil Giraldo bit... Would "Jesse's Girl" have been as catchy if it were the original idea of "Gary's Girl"? (Connection: Giraldo played guitar, bass guitar and produced Rick Springfield's "Jesse's Girl")... Apparently Rick was really Jonesing for Gary's girl, but used Jesse instead: Springfield was taking a stained glass class. Also in the class were a friend of his named Gary and Gary's girlfriend. Springfield initially wanted to use the actual name of his friend, but instead decided to go with a different name. He chose "Jessie" because he was wearing a T-shirt with the name of football player Ron Jessie on it.[10] The 1981 album Working Class Dog by Rick Springfield featured Giraldo as the guitarist, bassist, and producer for "I've Done Everything for You" and the number one hit "Jessie's Girl” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Giraldo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessie%27s_Girl

Edgy MD May 15 2022 11:51 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

That explodes my sister's long-ago theory that Springfield was singing from the point-of-view of his General Hospital character, Noah Drake. Noah was hot for a nurse named Bobbie Spencer, and she was a tenant of a dude named Jessie. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7a/dc/d4/7adcd4ee2078ed6b61ddbe08ef59dcb4.jpg>

vtmet7 May 15 2022 12:05 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

GH in those days was one of the only Soap Opera's that was watchable

TransMonk May 15 2022 03:07 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Springfield > Benatar

Edgy MD May 15 2022 05:24 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Also, Springfield > Shelbyville.

Willets Point May 15 2022 06:31 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

But is Springfield (NBA Hall of Fame) > Cleveland (Rock & Roll Hall of Fame)?

Marshmallowmilkshake May 15 2022 06:48 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 04 2022 06:26 AM

You guys are too hard on Pat. I saw Rick Springfield twice. Once at Jones Beach and once at Radio City. Sure, once was a date and the other time I was a chaperone. But I thought he put on a good show.

TransMonk Jun 03 2022 06:57 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Kate Bush has been introduced to a whole new generation of listeners thanks to being featured in the new season of Netflix's STRANGER THINGS. "Running Up That Hill" is now pulling millions of streams a day thanks to the sync -- but will it be enough to vault the song past its original Hot 100 peak ?

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 03 2022 07:42 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Rick Springfield > Pat Benatar

kcmets Jun 03 2022 08:45 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Oh come on... Rick Springfield > no one

Edgy MD Jun 04 2022 06:06 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

=kcmets post_id=94622 time=1654310713 user_id=53] Oh come on... Rick Springfield > no one

/Gerardo quietly pumps fist

TransMonk Jun 04 2022 07:40 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Rick Springfield > Pat Benatar I have no love for Rick, but thought the same when he was brought up in this thread. I don't think he should be anywhere near the RnRHOF, but his chart success is bigger than Benatar with similar career arcs and longevity. Bryan Adams, too.

Marshmallowmilkshake Jun 04 2022 08:42 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I think both had better careers than the Go-Go's, who are in the hall.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2022 09:35 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Willets Point wrote: But is Springfield > Cleveland? I'm not even sure it's > Shelbyville

kcmets Jun 04 2022 10:45 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Can't go by me; Ronnie James Dio, Joey Ramone and Bon Scott are my top-shelf front men. That Bryan Adams song She Liked To Do The Sixty-Nine is a very catch tune, Gonna be in my head all afternoon.

TransMonk Jun 04 2022 03:09 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

This is why the Go-Go's are in. Deservedly so. The Go-Go's Made History 38 Years Ago... Lindsay Zoladz via the NYT wrote: In March 1982, “Beauty and the Beat” — that classic, effervescent, catch-a-wave-of-pink-champagne debut by the Los Angeles band the Go-Go's — made history: It became the first record by an all-female group who wrote its own songs and played its own instruments to hit No. 1 on the Billboard album chart. Thirty-eight years later, it's hard to decide what's more of a shock: That it took so long to happen, or that it hasn't happened since.

Fman99 Jun 04 2022 07:50 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

This is why the Go-Go's are in. Deservedly so. The Go-Go's Made History 38 Years Ago... Lindsay Zoladz via the NYT wrote: In March 1982, “Beauty and the Beat” — that classic, effervescent, catch-a-wave-of-pink-champagne debut by the Los Angeles band the Go-Go's — made history: It became the first record by an all-female group who wrote its own songs and played its own instruments to hit No. 1 on the Billboard album chart. Thirty-eight years later, it's hard to decide what's more of a shock: That it took so long to happen, or that it hasn't happened since. That's remarkable.

Edgy MD Jun 04 2022 08:57 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

My first guess for someone to equal that feat would have been The [CROSSOUT]Dixie[/CROSSOUT] Chicks. They went to #1, but they only did a small portion of the writing, which is something like the law in Nashville. And while they are proud of their playing, there are only three of them, so they didn't play everything. The Go-Go's played everything and the only none-Go-Go writers were Terry Hall of The Specials, who co-wrote "Our Lips Are Sealed" with Jane, and Peter Case of the Plimsouls, who contributed to "Tonite" with Jane and Charlotte.

Willets Point Jun 04 2022 09:42 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Another factor is that the Billboard charts have not really had your traditional Rock/Pop "bands playing instruments" charting for some time, usurped by R&B, dance, rap, vocal groups, and a lot of solo artists over the past 40 years.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2022 11:13 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

This is why the Go-Go's are in. Deservedly so. The Go-Go's Made History 38 Years Ago... Lindsay Zoladz via the NYT wrote: In March 1982, “Beauty and the Beat” — that classic, effervescent, catch-a-wave-of-pink-champagne debut by the Los Angeles band the Go-Go's — made history: It became the first record by an all-female group who wrote its own songs and played its own instruments to hit No. 1 on the Billboard album chart. Thirty-eight years later, it's hard to decide what's more of a shock: That it took so long to happen, or that it hasn't happened since. See? This is why I don't understand the R&R HOF. I can appreciate that accomplishment, but is that feat, by itself, enough to enshrine The Go-Go's? And why is that so rare in the first place? Sounds more quirky than anything else. Why is it so rare for all the songs to haved been written by females? Are females genetically inferior writers? What?

Edgy MD Jun 04 2022 11:15 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Willets Point wrote: Another factor is that the Billboard charts have not really had your traditional Rock/Pop "bands playing instruments" charting for some time, usurped by R&B, dance, rap, vocal groups, and a lot of solo artists over the past 40 years. Probably a big factor. As far as bands-playing-instruments, the only act that has hit #1 on the album charts in 2022 is The Red Hot Chili Peppers, who pulled it off for one week in April. Before that, we have to remember that time in November of 2020, when ACDC got a week on top. We had a stronger year for BPI in 2019 when Tool, Slipknot, The Raconteurs, Jonas Brothers, and Vampire Weekend all grabbed a week of glory.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2022 11:22 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

To answer one of my own questions, I guess it's rare because there are very few, if any, all female rock bands in the first place, let alone all female rock bands to have struck it as big as The Go-Go's. Without looking this up, I'd guess that, just off the top of my head, Joni Mitchell or Carly Simon or maybe Roberta Flack likely put out an album where they wrote all the songs. But they didn't have all girl musicians on all of the tracks.

MFS62 Jun 05 2022 06:27 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

The (all female rock band) Bangles wrote their hit "Eternal Flame". They said the inspiration was seeing the Elvis Presley Memorial. But I'm not sure if they wrote any of their other songs. Later

kcmets Jun 05 2022 06:36 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Are The Runaways in the HOF? (not sure if they wrote their songs, too lazy and un-caffeinated to look right now)...

Edgy MD Jun 05 2022 06:50 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

The Bangles wrote their songs, but their singles tended to be from outside songwriters. "Eternal Flame" was by Hoffs along with mercenary hitmakers Tom Kelly and Billy Steinberg. They also never quite made it to #1. Different Light peaked at #2. The Runaways are not Holla-Famers. They wrote a surprisingly large amount of their material, but not all of it. Joan wrote very little of her solo stuff. It goes without saying that they never came close to a #1 album.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 05 2022 08:45 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I ❤️ the Bangles but mostly because they really nailed the harmonies+jangle-- as good as anyone. So they made anything sound great. My favorites are "Live" (Emmit Rhodes); "Going Down to Liverpool" (Kimberly Rew/Katrina and the Waves) and "If She Knew What She Wants" (Jules Shear). Prince wrote "Manic Monday" -- I think everyone knows that-- and some nonbangle guy wrote Egyptian Have we ever 🏝 the Bangles?

TransMonk Jun 05 2022 11:48 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I don't think we have, but I think we should.

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2022 02:07 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I've often thought about various scenarios involving me and Susanna Hoffs and a desert island if that's any help.

kcmets Jun 05 2022 02:59 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Right, those eyes! (and the rest).

MFS62 Jun 05 2022 06:30 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 06 2022 05:51 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: I've often thought about various scenarios involving me and Susanna Hoffs and a desert island if that's any help. The original name of the group was the Bangs. I'd guess you're not the only one who thought of Susanna Hoffs and some other form of the word bangs in the same sentence. Later

vtmet7 Jun 06 2022 02:57 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

speaking of Susanna Hoffs...anyone (here, other than me) ever see when the older version of her goes into a Karaoke bar and nails a Bangles song? I bet everyone thought that she almost sounded as good as the Bangles

ashie62 Jun 07 2022 04:05 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I remember reading that Susannah Hoff's was inspired by the Sex Pistols attending their Winterland show in 1978. I used to think that if I were there at that same show Hoff's might have become my own rock n roll girl, or not. The Bangles got a movie placement and first hit with their cover of "Hazy Shade of Winter." I find it great fun to listen to the three Sid n Susie albums of only covers. Her "unlikely" partner for these projects is Matthew Sweet and she is most certainly not his girlfriend. One record touches on the sixties, one seventies and one eighties, the decade Sweet and Hoff's emerged from. There were some tunes that I don't really care for, Cinnamon Girl and Yes' All Good People for starters that just worked so well with this duet. Pat Benatar sold a lot of friggin records I kinda brush aside album sales as "not that important" in the scheme of things. She did however sell about 40 million albums so who am I. Joan Jett wrote more of her work than many realize. She wrote most of the Runaways songs with a credited Kim Fowley. On the solo side she wrote "I love Rock and Roll" "Bad Reputation" "Do you really want me" and quite a few more. None are credited in her name alone, but she is getting paid. All good fun.

Frayed Knot Jun 07 2022 04:13 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I find it great fun to listen to the three Sid n Susie albums of only covers. Her "unlikely" partner for these projects is Matthew Sweet and she is most certainly not his girlfriend. One record touches on the sixties, one seventies and one eighties, the decade Sweet and Hoff's emerged from. There were some tunes that I don't really care for, Cinnamon Girl and Yes' All Good People for starters that just worked so well with this duet. Yeah, they do some good and quite varied stuff on those releases.

cal sharpie Jun 08 2022 07:46 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Joan Jett didn't write "I Love Rock and Roll" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Rock_%27n%27_Roll I was at the Sex Pistols' Winterland show. Susannah Hoff did not become my rock and roll girl unfortunately.

Edgy MD Jun 08 2022 07:53 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Yeah, what's that about? The Arrows, man. Chicks don't rhyme "record machine" with "he must've been about seventeen." That's totally a dude cliche.

ashie62 Jun 08 2022 08:32 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I conflated a Jett song. You were in the building at Winterland. The last Sid appearance and by the band itself until 1996. "Do you ever feel like you have been cheated?" No Johnny, not by you. Possibly by Susannah for hanging out with Matthew Sweet instead of me. I just adore her.

cal sharpie Jun 08 2022 09:50 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Yeah, I guess my presence at that Winterland show is one of my claims to fame.

vtmet7 Jun 08 2022 06:28 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

cal sharpie wrote: Joan Jett didn't write "I Love Rock and Roll" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Rock_%27n%27_Roll I was at the Sex Pistols' Winterland show. Susannah Hoff did not become my rock and roll girl unfortunately. it's kind of funny when an artist gets credit for writing a song, that they either didn't write, or they co-wrote...2 of Cyndi Lauper's biggest hits: Girls Just want to have fun; and Time after Time...The first was a cover of a Robert Hazard song (that he wrote, and sang in 1979); and the later, was co-written with the Hooters' Rob Hyman (which is why the Hooters also have done the song in concert)... This wikipedia entry falsely gives Lauper credit for covering Robert Hazard's song: [BLOCKQUOTE] The song became Lauper's first number 1 hit in the U.S. The song was written in the album's final stages, after "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun", "She Bop" and "All Through the Night" had been written. Although "Time After Time" would eventually become one of Lauper's signature songs, it was one of the last songs on her debut album to be recorded. While Lauper was still writing material for She's So Unusual in the spring of 1983, her producer, Rick Chertoff introduced her to American musician Rob Hyman, a founding member of the Hooters. Lauper had by then already recorded the majority of the album, including the songs "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" and "She Bop," but Chertoff insisted that she and Hyman needed to record just "one more song". Therefore, she and Hyman sat at a piano and started working on "Time After Time".[6] [/BLOCKQUOTE]

Edgy MD Jun 08 2022 06:52 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I love that this thread lives on. Also, despite coming up short in both the Hall's voting and our own, Kate Bush is, against all odds, suddenly having her moment. She's at #8 on the Billboard charts and at the top of some downloading and/or streaming charts.

kcmets Jun 08 2022 06:59 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Edgy MD wrote: I love that this thread lives on. Thread is ok, the HOF sucks bhmc. Madonna, lolol...

Frayed Knot Jun 08 2022 07:07 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Edgy MD wrote: Also, despite coming up short in both the Hall's voting and our own, Kate Bush is, against all odds, suddenly having her moment. She's at #8 on the Billboard charts and at the top of some downloading and/or streaming charts. Bush's 'Running Up That Hill' was featured on the TV streaming hit STRANGER THINGS which has given the old song new life.

kcmets Jun 08 2022 07:21 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Song's kinda tedious, the official video on YouTube is even 'more worser.'

Marshmallowmilkshake Jun 09 2022 06:47 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I like Cyndi Lauper and "Time After Time" is one of my fave songs! I was at the show at Toad's in New Haven where she sang it with the Wiffenpoofs. The walls of Toad's have eyes, though, and these eyes ­— Phelps, Day, and Dunbar, among others — can tell stories of the nights they spent with some of the greatest artists of the 20th century. Phelps can recall when Cyndi Lauper performed at Toad's two nights in a row. When Lauper and Phelps dined at Mory's after the show, the security forces accompanying the Prime Minister of New Zealand — who was also at the restaurant — took one look at her colored hair and punky attire and “just went red alert,” Dunbar said. Once the security had calmed down, Lauper and Phelps enjoyed a meal while the Whiffenpoofs performed – when she heard them sing “Time After Time,” she asked them to perform with her at Toad's the next day.

ashie62 Jun 09 2022 06:53 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I saw Cindy Lauper in her first band "Blue Angel", a danceable rockabilly outfit. They opened for the Ramones.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 11 2022 12:49 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Laupers "All through the Night" is a Jules Shear cover

Edgy MD Jun 11 2022 03:52 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

It's promtastic!!

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 11 2022 03:56 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

[YOUTUBE]lovdp792NaY[/YOUTUBE]

smg58 Jun 12 2022 09:20 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Edgy MD wrote: Also, despite coming up short in both the Hall's voting and our own, Kate Bush is, against all odds, suddenly having her moment. She's at #8 on the Billboard charts and at the top of some downloading and/or streaming charts. I've loved Kate since college, and I think it's awesome that somebody I actually like is getting this amazing run of good luck -- but I can't really say I saw this coming. Also, I need to catch up on Stranger Things ASAP.

ashie62 Jun 13 2022 09:13 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

It is beyond awesome to see Kate making some serious money. I like it good things come to grinders

Edgy MD Jun 13 2022 09:21 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Also interesting to see Eurythmics make a late move here to pull into sole possession of first place. Don't mess with a missionary man.

Edgy MD Nov 07 2022 11:23 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

All vids from the ceremony so far are audience phone shots with crappy sound and not-much-better visuals, but it's cool to see Parton in her rhinestone-adorned Judas Priest-leathers getting an assist from, in order, what looks like P!nk, Annie Lennox, Simon LeBon, Benatar, Halford, Sheryl Crow, and Brandi Carlile (who's invited everywhere these days). The backing band seems like some hybrid of The Zac Brown Band and Priest. Halford, sadly, doesn't really Halford it when his turn comes around. [YOUTUBE]PpG6o249elc[/YOUTUBE]

kcmets Nov 07 2022 11:56 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

That's pretty trippy haha Baritone Halford > no Halford! Dude in his hey day could sing well in like eight octaves. Youtube is funny, it wants us to watch this next. Do not click on this video if you're only looking for R&R HOF content as there is none... [YOUTUBE]W9RZWvuhgHA[/YOUTUBE]

ashie62 Nov 07 2022 12:56 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Rob is pretty heavy now, hence the baritone?

Edgy MD Nov 07 2022 07:27 PM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

=kcmets post_id=112538 time=1667847373 user_id=53]Youtube is funny, it wants us to watch this next. [YOUTUBE]W9RZWvuhgHA[/YOUTUBE]

I guess the magic algorithm considered me to be a big fan of country legends joined by outsiders. I was given a choice between a classic duet (possibly at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville) by Dolly and Carol Burnett or Roy Rogers guesting with Lynda Carter on Wonder Woman.



It had you pegged, on the other hand, for a fan o' rock chickz in leather.

vtmet7 Dec 01 2022 09:43 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Edgy MD wrote: All vids from the ceremony so far are audience phone shots with crappy sound and not-much-better visuals, but it's cool to see Parton in her rhinestone-adorned Judas Priest-leathers getting an assist from, in order, what looks like P!nk, Annie Lennox, Simon LeBon, Benatar, Halford, Sheryl Crow, and Brandi Carlile (who's invited everywhere these days). The backing band seems like some hybrid of The Zac Brown Band and Priest. Halford, sadly, doesn't really Halford it when his turn comes around. I finally got a chance to watch the 4 hour show on HBO Max the other day.... I skipped thru to sections that I wanted to watch: Alice Cooper introducing Judas Priest about 1:16 into the broadcast (IMO, Alice does a great job introducing Priest...Richie Faulkner was not inducted, so he played side by side with KK Downing; however he stood off to the side with Alice while the long term members of the band were on the podium...it was great to see Les Binks and KK back; and it was great to see Glenn speak, and looked like he did a short lead break despite his Parkinson's)... The Eurythmics section was pretty good...I forgot how stunning Annie Lennox used to be in the 80's...I didn't realize that Dave was mostly a guitarist, Sweet Dreams was more about the keyboards, so I assumed he was primarily a keyboardist... the in memorial section was pretty good as well...was that supposed to be John Mellencamp, John Cougar, John Cougar Mellencamp or someone else singing along side Bruce Springsteen? He looked pretty bad, if it was JC, JCM or JM... Unfortunately, I agree with you on the Halford with Dolly section...Rob came off as a fanboy instead of being in her league...I think that he was star struck a little and showed it too much...I think Dolly could make him straight at least for one night...

Frayed Knot Dec 01 2022 10:16 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

It was Mellencamp. I only saw pieces of the broadcast. The Eurythmics segment was good. I always recognized their talent but felt it was just a bit out of my wheelhouse. But the medley-type performance they did was quite, and quite appropriately, rock-n-roll'd up for the occasion and it got the audience up out of their seats.

Edgy MD Dec 01 2022 10:25 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

I was highly iffy when dragged to see Eurythmics at The New Ritz circa 1989. I left a true believer.

vtmet7 Dec 01 2022 10:57 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

Edgy MD wrote: I was highly iffy when dragged to see Eurythmics at The New Ritz circa 1989. I left a true believer. I pretty much only know their songs that were video hits on MTV, USA's Night Flight, and TBS's something Trax... I would imagine that a lot of the video stars didn't translate well into full length concerts since a lot of the popular music at the time was overly engineered in the studios...The Cars were one of my favorite groups when I was growing up, but they really struggled to sound good in concert...

Edgy MD Dec 01 2022 11:42 AM Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 nominees

That's where I was going in. Coming out, I felt very different. The were promoting We Two Are One, and ironically, considering the title, it was the last tour before Stewart and Lennox went their separate ways. Charlie Wilson of The Gap Band was a member of their backing ensemble, and he was pretty much the third star on stage. They had a powerhouse backing vocalist who took over and sang "Sisters Are Doing It for Themselves" during break/costume change for Annie, and then the band left the stage and Annie and Dave did an acoustic medley of six or so songs they couldn't otherwise fit into the set, and I was impressed that they had such a backlog of singles by this point in their career that they had to knock them off in 60-second versions to get them included. They also did this cool opening act thingie where a Latin American flamenco guitarist came out and started an instrumental set on a stool in front of the scrim. As good as she was, it left a rock hungry crowd a little detached. After two or three songs, two guys dressed like g-men walked out onto the stage grabbed her guitar, and began trying to drag her off. Conditioned by beer and by blowsy rock cliches going back to Animal House stipulating that the suppression of acoustic folk music in the holy name of RAWK is a good (perhaps great) thing, the crowd cheered on the heavies as they tried to drag the performer off. But then, things changed suddenly. She fought free, and broke into a fantastic flamenco dance, her steps knocking the bullies aside. She reclaimed her guitar, spun, kicked, clapped, and stomped, and won the chagrined crowd back. She then ran back to the scrim and started tearing it down piece by piece, as the Eurythmics band appeared behind it, starting their set (I believe with the current single "We Two Are One") as the veil between them and the audience, embarrassed but delighted, was torn away. What a bait and switch!!