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To Be Clear (Split from "The Republicans")

Ceetar Jan 04 2022 12:25 PM

Edgy MD wrote: To be clear, there's still plenty of legal abortion without Roe, so yeah, certainly the clash goes on. There's still plenty of clean water in the country too, that doesn't make the Pittsburgh/Flint/etc crises any less dangerous. And the government should have no part of entertaining a culture that controls Womens' bodies. Misogyny is not culture.

Edgy MD Jan 04 2022 12:32 PM Re: The Republicans

Edgy MD wrote: To be clear, there's still plenty of legal abortion without Roe, so yeah, certainly the clash goes on. There's still plenty of clean water in the country too, that doesn't make the Pittsburgh/Flint/etc crises any less dangerous. And the government should have no part of entertaining a culture that controls Womens' bodies. Misogyny is not culture. I have no idea what that means, or how it any way responds to what I've written. I'm certain I didn't write anything akin to "misogyny is culture." (Although, if that actually was the subject at hand, I'd argue that it certainly is. In fact, the first sentence of your second paragraph argues against the second.) I just don't get the fights you want to pick where you make up an enemy and pretend somebody has written something he hasn't. I really tried to make a fact-based, value-neutral statement. Even batmagadan seemingly dismissed it as banal and self-evident. Back to the subject, have the Republicans ever had a supermajority? I think the 54 Senate seats they had in 1994 was about as big as it got — at least, post-Reconstruction.

Ceetar Jan 04 2022 01:38 PM Re: The Republicans

you made up the enemy and expect it to go unchecked. wtf does "there's still plenty of legal abortion without Roe" even mean and how it does it apply to anything we were talking about? It's hard not to read it as "It's not that big a deal, there are still plenty of options" like we're not in dire straits already with the laws as currently written.

Edgy MD Jan 04 2022 01:57 PM Re: The Republicans

you made up the enemy and expect it to go unchecked. No, I didn't. That's a lie. Please don't lie. wtf does "there's still plenty of legal abortion without Roe" even mean ... 1) You pretending you don't know what I mean makes clear that you were lying when stating that I "made up the enemy." How indeed can you ascribe some meaning to that statement while pretending you don't know what it means in your next sentence? 2) It's a perfectly simple and clear declarative statement. I imagine 100% of everybody knows what it means. and how it does it apply to anything we were talking about? You wrote … …but I think if they DO in fact get the media to write "roe v wade is overturned" in black and white they'll lose a lot of their base that just turns out on that one-issue, because "job done". … and Willets Point responded … Willets Point wrote: I do wonder about this too. Conservative Catholics and Evangelical Protestants basically consider one another to be Satan but have been united to support Republicans behind reversing Roe v. Wade. Does that coalition hold if the Republicans finally achieve that after 50 years of promises? … so it's inherently dishonest to pretend you don't know what I was responding to. It's hard not to read it as "It's not that big a deal, there are still plenty of options" like we're not in dire straits already with the laws as currently written. 1) No, it's not hard to not read it as that. You can actually read it as what is actually and simply written, and place that in the context of what is written prior to that. It's not hard at all. 2) Please don't make up things I haven't written and then put them in quotes. This now the second completely made-up, false meaning you've ascribed to a simple, grade-level, statement. It's not even a full sentence. That's you, looking for a fight and making up lies about somebody to create a false enemy. This serves nobody and no communal purpose. This false demonization of each other is a big part of why politics is a disaster in our country. I would really hope to keep it out of our forum. Can you please try to do that?

Ceetar Jan 04 2022 02:16 PM Re: The Republicans

I can't have a discussion with you if you can't do basic reading comprehension, sorry. so you admit that your statement is making up an enemy. If we're talking about Rs achieving the repeal of Roe vs. Wade. That IS the enemy. That's the stated enemy. That's what we're talking about. Republicans don't care about abortion. this isn't some medical argument. Like all of it, it's a straw man. If the murder the straw man, saying "there are other types of straws" isn't really the point. Human rights are not politics. It's okay to demonize misogyny, which is what controlling Womens' bodies is. There's no middle ground here.

Edgy MD Jan 04 2022 02:22 PM Re: The Republicans

=Ceetar post_id=84074 time=1641330976 user_id=102] I can't have a discussion with you if you can't do basic reading comprehension, sorry.

That's another lie. It is in fact, a slanderous and damned lie. Please don't do that. And if you don't want to have a conversation with me, please don't.


=Ceetar post_id=84074 time=1641330976 user_id=102]so you admit that your statement is making up an enemy.

That is also a lie, and is exactly the exact opposite of what occurs above. I don't know how many times I have to ask you to stop defaming your fellow posters. Please pause and reflect on what you are doing and how destructive it is.

Ceetar Jan 04 2022 02:32 PM Re: The Republicans

no. delete your comments and butt out if you don't have anything to say in good faith.

Willets Point Jan 04 2022 02:36 PM Re: The Republicans Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 04 2022 02:47 PM

you made up the enemy and expect it to go unchecked. wtf does "there's still plenty of legal abortion without Roe" even mean and how it does it apply to anything we were talking about? It's hard not to read it as "It's not that big a deal, there are still plenty of options" like we're not in dire straits already with the laws as currently written. Edgy was responding to me when he wrote that and the issue of discussion was would the Republicans be able to hold together a coalition of people opposed to abortion if Roe v. Wade were reversed. Edgy's point was that since abortion would still be legal in several states that Republicans could still mobilize their base to go against those laws next. He didn't say that it wasn't a big deal, in fact, quite the opposite.

Edgy MD Jan 04 2022 02:46 PM Re: The Republicans

=Ceetar post_id=84078 time=1641331967 user_id=102] no. delete your comments and butt out if you don't have anything to say in good faith.

Please don't presume to tell me what to do.



You've just red-lighted this garbage. Please reconsider this course.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 04 2022 04:54 PM Re: The Republicans

But we have to fight them ... especially at the ballot box while that is still a valid option. If that's all the Dems do, this country's in big, big trouble. The GOP is passing laws on who gets to count the votes, how the votes are counted and if the votes gets counted at all. Dems can't overcome those laws by simply voting. Was it Stalin who said (paraphrasing): "It's not who votes. It's who count the votes". Why did this post get red-lit? Why do any of my posts get red-lit? Whatever.

Edgy MD Jan 04 2022 05:04 PM Re: To Be Clear (Split from "The Republicans")

I red-lit this so as not to have nonsense detract from your thread. I didn't mean to grab your post with the split. You were trying to stay on topic. I'll restore that one to the original thread. My apologies.

nymr83 Jan 15 2022 09:07 PM Re: To Be Clear (Split from "The Republicans")

FUCK EVERYONE! *With a condom, if your state has a GOP majority.