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Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Lefty Specialist Mar 15 2022 01:31 PM

Unvaccinated Yankees, Mets won't be allowed to play in home games https://nypost.com/2022/03/15/unvaccinated-yankees-mets-wont-be-allowed-to-play-in-home-games/ Mets were one of the teams below 85% vaccination last year.

kcmets Mar 15 2022 01:39 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Oh that problem! I was thinking of the other Kyrie problems. We should have a pool, guess who the anti-vaxers are.

Lefty Specialist Mar 15 2022 01:41 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Well, should be pretty obvious on April 15th. Hoping it was Conforto, Syndergaard, Pillar, Familia and Villar.

Johnny Lunchbucket Mar 15 2022 01:42 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Zimmo and Davis are the ones I recall remarking things about "personal choice."

Benjamin Grimm Mar 15 2022 01:46 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

This also means that unvaccinated visiting players won't be able to play either. Being ineligible for 81 home games might induce a Mets player to get the vaccine, but we may have cases where a star visiting player will sit out a three-game series at Citi Field because he doesn't want to get vaccinated just to play in three games. This is an interesting wrinkle.

Marshmallowmilkshake Mar 15 2022 02:15 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

The also won't be able to play in Toronto, which has a similar rule. I suspect others will follow. I heard in one report that the players won't be paid for games where they are ineligible to play because of this. That might serve as an incentive.

86dreamer Mar 15 2022 02:19 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: This also means that unvaccinated visiting players won't be able to play either. Being ineligible for 81 home games might induce a Mets player to get the vaccine, but we may have cases where a star visiting player will sit out a three-game series at Citi Field because he doesn't want to get vaccinated just to play in three games. This is an interesting wrinkle. It makes ZERO sense, but the NYC vaccine requirement is not applicable to visiting players. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/02/16/nyc-mayor-says-vaccine-rule-keeping-nba-player-kyrie-irving-sidelined-is-unfair-after-commissioner-asks-for-review/?sh=41a9e7364b11

A Boy Named Seo Mar 15 2022 04:15 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

=kcmets post_id=87092 time=1647373160 user_id=53] Oh that problem! I was thinking of the other Kyrie problems. We should have a pool, guess who the anti-vaxers are.

I've got 5 crane bucks on McNeil

Edgy MD Mar 15 2022 05:19 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

I'd bet that McNeil doesn't actually think there are any particular concerns with the vaccine. He's just against it because fuck you, that's why.

Fman99 Mar 15 2022 06:36 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

The rumored names I heard include JD Davis, Conforto and James McCann. I think Nimmo too, now that I ponder it. Get the shot ya dopes

Benjamin Grimm Mar 16 2022 04:52 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

New York Post : Unvaccinated Yankees, Mets won't be allowed to play in home games. https://nypost.com/2022/03/15/unvaccinated-yankees-mets-wont-be-allowed-to-play-in-home-games/ Article says that the 2021 Mets had only slightly more than 50 percent of the players vaccinated.

Fman99 Mar 16 2022 05:12 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: New York Post : Unvaccinated Yankees, Mets won't be allowed to play in home games. https://nypost.com/2022/03/15/unvaccinated-yankees-mets-wont-be-allowed-to-play-in-home-games/ Article says that the 2021 Mets had only slightly more than 50 percent of the players vaccinated. Half the team, Christ. Lunkheads. All of them too embarrassed to even say it. Aaron Judge and his "I'm not gonna get into that." Like you don't have the fortitude to admit that you are too dumb to get vaccinated.

metsmarathon Mar 16 2022 06:29 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

i could understand not wanting to get the shot midseason, what with the owie arm thing happening. i'm sure as a pitcher that could fuck you up if you tried to work through it. and it might maybe mess up your swing, i guess. so it would probably take you out of the lineup for a few days... but my kids got their shots and all had basketball games either that day or the next, so maybe man up. regardless, there's no excuse for any of these babies to not have gotten the shot in the offseason. and if they didn't, then fuck'em.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 16 2022 06:37 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

I had never heard of Kyrie Irving until this thread was posted. It's hard to believe that this has been going on as long as it has. The Nets can't be okay with this. Is he getting paid for all the games he's missed because of foolish stubbornness?

Frayed Knot Mar 16 2022 06:48 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

One of the strengths of the NBA is that it's a star driven sport. That said, one of the great weaknesses of the NBA is that it's a star driven sport to the point where stars get to call a lot of the shots and tend to skate on being called out on things. So basically the Nets are OK with it to the extent that they can't make him get the shots and some of the league's other stars, themselves mostly vaccinated, back him up. 'Free Kyrie' has popped up on tee shirts worn by not just teammates but opposing players, as if he's being forced to sit out due to something not of his own making. It should also be pointed out that even before all this he had a tendency to intermittently sit out games for seemingly no reason and has stated that he doesn't believe the earth is round. Benjamin Grimm wrote: Is he getting paid for all the games he's missed because of foolish stubbornness? I believe he is not which, given the salaries of NBA stars these days, is only costing him tens of millions of dollars.

ashie62 Mar 16 2022 07:35 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Nimmo, he may be a creationist. Mets could have a traveling team, ugh.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 16 2022 07:44 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

I would love to know which Mets players are potentially affected by this. (And I hope we won't have to find out.) Let's say it's five players. Does that mean that the Mets will effectively have a 21-man roster for every game they play in New York City? That's untenable. And what if it's eight players? Or twelve? What could the Mets possibly do, other than a quick overhaul of the roster. Someone like JD Davis can be disposed of easily enough. James McCann less so, because of the position he plays. And Brandon Nimmo? I really don't know.

A Boy Named Seo Mar 16 2022 08:42 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I would love to know which Mets players are potentially affected by this. (And I hope we won't have to find out.) Let's say it's five players. Does that mean that the Mets will effectively have a 21-man roster for every game they play in New York City? That's untenable. And what if it's eight players? Or twelve? What could the Mets possibly do, other than a quick overhaul of the roster. Someone like JD Davis can be disposed of easily enough. James McCann less so, because of the position he plays. And Brandon Nimmo? I really don't know. I have so many thoughts. -If the article from the Post you linked to earlier is correct, then it is about half the guys like Fman said. I'm guessing that's players on the 40 at any given moment from last year? I would love clarification on that. -The article says "both teams are aware", but I'm hoping the Mets have planned for this? This can't have been a surprise given the Nets situation. -With so many 2021 guys not returning, my hope is that some of those guys were the hardest-headed anti-vaxxers. That would be smart, right? Right?? -If there are any steadfast no-poke dudes left, the Mets have to be shopping them hard, right? Missing 82 games BECAUSE FREEDOM won't help the team win, will piss off some teammates, and even the Trumpiest of Mets fans will eventually get mad if the losses pile up because selfishness is really at the core of all of this. For all the star power on the Nets, they're a just-above .500 basketball team with a losing record at home.

Fman99 Mar 16 2022 09:01 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

My guess is that the Mets' FO is full of dudes and dudettes that are all hoping, and perhaps lobbying with the powers that be at City Hall, to get these rules all lifted in the next few weeks before Opening Day. Between dropping rates and the fact that its an outdoor activity, I can see the case they'd be attempting to make. "Look how well our fielders have socially distanced from each other!"

TransMonk Mar 16 2022 09:11 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

I'm kinda surprised this wasn't part of the recent CBA discussion.

Willets Point Mar 16 2022 09:46 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

"Look how well our fielders have socially distanced from each other!" This is how they're going to ban the shift.

A Boy Named Seo Mar 16 2022 09:50 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

MLB: "Flatten the Curve, yall" https://blogs.fangraphs.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/shift-rate.png>

Benjamin Grimm Mar 16 2022 10:23 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Brandon Nimmo not sure where Mets stand with ‘completely new' vaccine reality Brandon Nimmo wasn't expecting a vaccination mandate to play baseball in New York this season. But the Mets outfielder and union representative said Wednesday it isn't a major concern for the club, even with a significant number of players on the team unvaccinated against COVID. “Right now we are still 3 ½ weeks away, so a lot can happen,” Nimmo said before a team workout at Clover Park. “When we get to that time, we can address it. Right now we're just going to focus on baseball, we'll see where all that stuff lands. If it comes time we'll address that stuff.” Nimmo declined to say if he was vaccinated. On Tuesday, The Post reported only about 55 percent of the Mets players were vaccinated at one point last season. Nimmo didn't dispute that figure. That's a good plan. Just wait until Opening Day is imminent and then "see where all that stuff lands". No sense being proactive and, like, getting vaccinated or something.

Edgy MD Mar 16 2022 10:26 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Leadership just pours out of that guy. It's like he wakes up in the morning and he can't stop leading.

Frayed Knot Mar 16 2022 10:41 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

=Fman99 post_id=87143 time=1647442892 user_id=86] My guess is that the Mets' FO is full of dudes and dudettes that are all hoping, and perhaps lobbying with the powers that be at City Hall, to get these rules all lifted in the next few weeks before Opening Day.

The recently elected new Mayor pointedly refused to alter the rules in order to accommodate anti-Vax poster boy Kyrie Irving ... so maybe not a great path to count on.

kcmets Mar 16 2022 10:53 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

And it's not going to be looking too mayoral to give baseball players a pass when hundreds or thousands (I don't know which) of city employees lost their jobs due to vaccination requirements - then saying it doesn't apply to clubhouse loungers.

A Boy Named Seo Mar 16 2022 10:56 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

I wish these brave patriots standing up to the TYRANNY would at least have the courage of their misinformed convictions and say "I'm not vaxxed" instead of doing their bullshit word dances.

Frayed Knot Mar 16 2022 11:12 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I wish these brave patriots standing up to the TYRANNY would at least have the courage of their misinformed convictions and say "I'm not vaxxed" instead of doing their bullshit word dances. Yeah, at least the guy I saw a few days ago walking around with a t-shirt proudly proclaiming that he was 'UN-VAXXED, UN-MASKED, AND UN-APOLOGETIC' was more honest.

A Boy Named Seo Mar 16 2022 11:29 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Frayed Knot wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: I wish these brave patriots standing up to the TYRANNY would at least have the courage of their misinformed convictions and say "I'm not vaxxed" instead of doing their bullshit word dances. Yeah, at least the guy I saw a few days ago walking around with a t-shirt proudly proclaiming that he was 'UN-VAXXED, UN-MASKED, AND UN-APOLOGETIC' was more honest. Your t-shirt guy is also a dipshit.

Frayed Knot Mar 16 2022 11:41 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

I agree. But, to your point, an honest one. Unlike, say, Aaron Rodgers.

metsmarathon Mar 16 2022 12:32 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

jesus fucking christ. it's not that hard. how many major leaguers and minor leaguers are there? how many olympians? how many players in the major sports and their farm systems, how many college players. how many got vaccinated? how many lived to tell the harrowing tale. how many got covid? how many got long covid? how many had various complications? i dare him to find any athlete who, outside of an actual allergic reaction, had any meaningful side effects that were appreciably worse than "mild covid, but without endagering anyone else"

Edgy MD Mar 16 2022 12:36 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

More importantly, how many didn't get vaccinated, got Covid, experienced mild or no symptoms, shrugged about all the fuss, but took the time to pass it on to a half dozen people who soon spread it to God-knows-how-many?

seawolf17 Mar 16 2022 12:51 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

“Right now we are still 3 ½ weeks away, so a lot can happen,” Nimmo said I'm telling you, give Max Scherzer a box of syringes and let him just sidle up to guys in the clubhouse and give them the jab.

Willets Point Mar 16 2022 12:53 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

"A lot can happen in 3-1/2 weeks." It is, in fact, the perfect time period to get your first and second shots before the season begins.

nymr83 Mar 16 2022 11:42 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

This rule is kinda bullshit though. 1) why not opposing players? 2) why are we letting unvaccinated fans in? if its about health and safety, neither of those things should be happening.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 17 2022 07:26 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Mets' reaction to looming New York vaccine mandates The Post asked seven Mets players Wednesday whether they were vaccinated. From that group, three players (Scherzer, Jeff McNeil and Robinson Cano) said they were vaccinated. Four others (Nimmo, Pete Alonso, Dominic Smith and J.D. Davis) declined to answer. Great. This is going to affect Alonso as well. Unvaccinated Mets and Yankees Players Can't Play in New York As M.L.B. and the union negotiated a new labor agreement, they also agreed that any player who is unable to play in any games as a result of any government regulation because of his vaccination status “may be placed” temporarily on the restricted list, where pay and service time are lost. Service time determines players' eligibility for salary arbitration and free agency. Okay, so I guess this means that the Mets will be able to field a full 26-man roster for their home games, but they'll have to make player maneuvers in order to do so. Let's say that Nimmo isn't vaccinated, so the Mets decide to use Khalil Lee to replace him during home games. But with the new limit on player options, I think (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that Lee could only be sent to Syracuse five times this year, so on the sixth homestand the Mets would have to opt for someone else. Multiply that by however many unvaccinated players there might be, and that will add up to a huge roster churn. If this is how it plays out, we'll a lot more of guys like Mason Williams and Billy McKinney, rent-a-Mets with brief tenures.

Lefty Specialist Mar 17 2022 08:12 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

I saw somewhere that Alonso said he was vaxxed. The reason it doesn't apply to visiting teams is because it's a mandate on New York employers. So, yes, it doesn't apply to visiting teams. Nimmo is going to lose a lot of fan goodwill really really fast if he refuses to play home games.

MFS62 Mar 17 2022 08:22 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Building on what Lefty said, under the NY City rules, unvaccinated NBA players can play in New York (or Brooklyn) if they are on the visiting team. The rule only applies to employees of a New York City based team. What if the Mets and Nets (and that team from the Bronx) moved their corporate headquarters out of the City to, say, Westchester County? Would that change the players' eligibility? It might work, but would be a pain in the butt considering the regulation might be repealed at any (near) time. Later

Benjamin Grimm Mar 17 2022 08:47 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Missing service time also has the potential to delay Nimmo's free agency by a year.

Frayed Knot Mar 17 2022 10:59 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Missing service time also has the potential to delay Nimmo's free agency by a year. As things stand now, Nimmo will be a FA next season but he doesn't have a big buffer if he starts losing days. His service time currently sits at 5 yrs + 42 days so he needs 130 or more 'active' days in order to not get that delayed for a full season.

A Boy Named Seo Mar 17 2022 11:06 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Mets' reaction to looming New York vaccine mandates The Post asked seven Mets players Wednesday whether they were vaccinated. From that group, three players (Scherzer, Jeff McNeil and Robinson Cano) said they were vaccinated. Four others (Nimmo, Pete Alonso, Dominic Smith and J.D. Davis) declined to answer. Great. This is going to affect Alonso as well. I'd like to say I'm sorry to Jeff McNeil for assuming he was a shitty anti-vaxxer. I'm going to put the work in to be a better me, and be more accepting of all viewpoints (except shitty anti-vaxxers) on this journey of internet personal growth I'm about to embark on. I will donate the five crane bucks I brazenly waved around on this forum to RFK Jr. or some shit. So sorry, Squirrel. 💙🧡 Love and Light, ABNS

ashie62 Mar 17 2022 11:49 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

The mandate is a law towards private employers and employers. Roughly 1000 NYC employees have been fired for refusing.

nymr83 Mar 17 2022 11:11 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

its still dumb. if being unvaccinated outdoors at citi field is dangerous then they shouldnt let thousands of unvaccinated fans in. if its not dangerous, make an exemption for outdoor workers and tell the unvaccinated Mets to get changed in their cars and avoid the clubhouse.

Fman99 Mar 18 2022 03:55 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

I guess come April 15 (home opener) we'll have a much clearer picture of who's vaccinated and who's a dumbass.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 22 2022 02:38 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

New York City mayor says Nets, Knicks, Yankees, Mets will have to wait for loosened COVID-19 vacc... New York Mayor Eric Adams reiterated that while he remains optimistic about the COVID 19-related numbers he's seeing, the city's professional sports teams are going to have to wait their turn as far as potential vaccination-mandate rollbacks are concerned.

Willets Point Mar 22 2022 03:11 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

The Rangers are oddly not mentioned.

G-Fafif Mar 23 2022 04:58 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Mayor Adams about to lift the vaccination mandate for athletes and performers, per multiple reports. Kyrie and the personal choice pros will take the court, field, whatever

kcmets Mar 23 2022 05:04 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Phwam, very surprised.

Fman99 Mar 23 2022 05:36 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

I'm not. Too much money at stake. It's a pretty stupid rule when applied to outdoor sports and only the home teams. Kylie Irving benefits the most from the fact that the lockout ended, is how I'd spin it.

nymr83 Mar 23 2022 05:43 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

It was a dumb rule to begin with in that if the virus amd being unvaccinated are truly damgerous*, it should have applied equally to visiting teams and fans. I'm glad to have less distractions around the Mets! *they are

Benjamin Grimm Mar 23 2022 06:44 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

=nymr83 post_id=87570 time=1648079036 user_id=54] I'm glad to have less distractions around the Mets!

I am too, but I have to admit I was very curious to see how this would have been handled. It would have been interesting, albeit infuriating.

kcmets Mar 23 2022 06:53 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

I shouldn't have said very surprised, I'm just a little surprised because of what I wrote on the top of page two. We'll see....

A Boy Named Seo Mar 23 2022 07:04 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Nimmo was right! A lot can, in fact, happen in 3 weeks.

Edgy MD Mar 23 2022 07:07 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: =nymr83 post_id=87570 time=1648079036 user_id=54] I'm glad to have less distractions around the Mets! I am too, but I have to admit I was very curious to see how this would have been handled. It would have been interesting, albeit infuriating.

I imagine there will still be plenty to infuriate (??) over, if and when unvaccinated Mets contract and spread the virus.

Frayed Knot Mar 23 2022 08:05 PM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

The rule was just too inconsistent. Opposing unvaccinated players were allowed to play. Unvaccinated fans were allowed into the arena. And Kyrie himself was allowed to sit on the bench, just not able to participate.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 25 2022 08:32 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

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A Boy Named Seo Mar 25 2022 08:37 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Reason number 69,420 why knowing anything about the personal lives of ballplayers will result in heartbreak.

Willets Point Mar 25 2022 09:09 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Where was Elissa on January 6, 2021?

nymr83 Mar 25 2022 10:23 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2022/20220325_NYP_01.jpg> Well, in fairness deGrom shouldn't have to tell you, or me, or the NY Post if he is vaccinated. He should only have to tell his employer's medical personnel, who should definitely NOT be telling anyone else his business. It would have been obvious to us who is/isnt on the field for home games. do we travel to Toronto this year?

Edgy MD Mar 25 2022 10:28 AM Re: Mets have a Kyrie Irving problem.

The thingalinga is that some athletes may well be fully vaccinated, but feel that revealing their status indirectly outs their unvaccinated teammates. I wish I could say that this was a morally superior position to going unvaccinated, and it may feel as such, but it is only kinda.