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Johnny Lunchbucket May 16 2022 05:25 AM

The team that couldn't lose serieses just got embarrassed at home against a struggling team and has now 3 times failed to surpass the 11-games-over-.500 barrier. that to me is symbolic to reassure they won;t fade away like last year's team --Escobar hitting .200 --Little production from our catchers and McCann is out for weeks --Dom Smith is awful and probably needs 2 weeks in AAA --bullpen depth weakened by injuries to May & Reid-Foley --Drew Smith has had 2 failures in a row --no off days till a week from Thursday including a West Coast trip --Megill's ERA was wrecked by one outing but if we're honest with ourselves it's probably going to be closer to the 4.41 it is now than that 2.whatever it was last week. Plus he's hurt. --Williams is going tonight vs. Mikolas in a big mismatch --Is anyone comfortable with Walker? He opposes Matz on Tuesday Night Mets, who knows what'll happen but my pessimistic mood reminds me that it has potential to be embarrassing and demoralizing

Fman99 May 16 2022 05:30 AM Re: Werried

I'm only worried about some of these things. Proven hitters like Escobar will get on track. Bullpen arms will have ups and downs. We nearly had another strong late comeback yesterday and Mazieka I think will earn himself more time back behind the dish as Nido continues to scuffle. These west coast road games will be an indicator of how well this team can handle a tough stretch with some guys playing below expectations.

Marshmallowmilkshake May 16 2022 07:09 AM Re: Werried

Seemed like the media was gearing up for a bunch of Kelenic revenge stories and had to pivot when he was sent down. Sewald revenge stories aren't as interesting -- though he did have the nice year here. If Marte or Pete shows even a little bit of patience at the plate yesterday we win that game and all is good. But I am worried about rotation depth if Tylor is out for a bit.

smg58 May 16 2022 07:30 AM Re: Werried

The injuries to the pitching staff concern me. Marte's vulnerability to offspeed pitches concerns me. Smith just looking lost concerns me. But I'm taking a glass-half-full attitude towards the offense in general, especially since we've been doing well in spite of it. I figure the hitting will go up and the pitching will go down, but hopefully they cancel each other out and we still have a team that is solidly in first.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 16 2022 07:47 AM Re: Werried

What I'm driving at is considering trading Smith for pitching. There's a couple of trying-to-contend teams, like Minnesota or Boston, that could use more production from first base and if they could be convinced Smith's issue is not getting enough reps, you'd think they'd be interested. No idea offhand whether they have pitching prospects or depth to burn

kcmets May 16 2022 09:05 AM Re: Werried

I'm worried that the large division lead is slipping away and that this four- game series with the redbirds de saint lou ain't gonna go so well. I welcome this worry because it takes my mind off pandemics, World War lll and The Great Depression ll. #lgm #ygb #ymdyf

roger_that May 16 2022 10:09 AM Re: Werried

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: What I'm driving at is considering trading Smith for pitching. There's a couple of trying-to-contend teams, like Minnesota or Boston, that could use more production from first base and if they could be convinced Smith's issue is not getting enough reps, you'd think they'd be interested. No idea offhand whether they have pitching prospects or depth to burn Maybe going at it ass-backwards? Instead of looking at teams that need a 1B man/DH, look for prospects that you want badly, and then see if that org. needs Dom Smith? Your way, you're talking yourself into making the move because you want to make the move.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 16 2022 10:35 AM Re: Werried

Why don't you get on that list? I'm just spitballing on the most obvious moveable asset we've got and didn't think I'd need to specify I wasn't advocating moving him just to move em

Chad ochoseis May 16 2022 03:40 PM Re: Werried

This is still the best team since 2015. I have more cahnfidence in this quick start than those from past seasons. We've beaten some good teams and Showalter is proving he's a great manager. There haven't been many mental mistakes this year, the weak ABs from Marte and Alonso yesterday notwithstanding. Sucks to lose McCann. Weak as he's been hitting, he's the one player for whom we don't have a good everyday sub. I'm not all that comfortable with either Mazeika or Nido in the regular lineup. I think we'd be selling low on Smith. I'd rather see how our depth starters work out. I'm not worrying, yet. I wasn't much of a believer early on, as I figured we were getting Meh Max Scherzer in the same way we got Meh Tom Glavine, and I didn't see the FA pickups as difference makers. But Scherzer is still Scherzer and Canha has been solid. If this is the team at its worst, I'll take it.

ashie62 May 16 2022 03:51 PM Re: Werried

I am not concerned with Escobar. He has a good resume. With JD healthy there is that. I don't believe this team will earn a "professional hitters' tweet from Steve. The Mariners are a decent team that had a good weekend, it happens. I do have a sense of gloom about Walker and Megill. Both sucked at the same time, like last season but far earlier. They will need one of the two, or both to keep the wheels on. I Don't know what to say about Dom that hasn't already been said. Everybody has price, but can Dom earn a reasonable trade offer? He may be more valuable here in his utility role. LGM!

TransMonk May 16 2022 05:39 PM Re: Werried

The start has been nice and they are a fun team to root for, but I'll have trouble going all in unless we get optimal news about Jake soon. They've padded a nice lead which could help them get some down times. If the updates on Jake are another punt on a return plan before the ASB, I think the team is bound to fall back to average. They'll need him to return to keep up a playoff run. C and 3B have been black holes offensively this season and I don't trust the SP past Max and Bassitt to be consistently good.

roger_that May 16 2022 06:56 PM Re: Werried

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Why don't you get on that list? I'm just spitballing on the most obvious moveable asset we've got and didn't think I'd need to specify I wasn't advocating moving him just to move em I'm not that knowledgeable about other teams' pitching prospects. On principle, though, I'm very leery about trading good position players to get pitching. I'd rather give a start or three to our best AAA pitchers and see if we can't catch lightning in a bottle than lose a hitter as good as Dom can be. To swap a hitter for a pitcher, I'd have to feel very sure I was getting a good one. The other way around, I'd be willing to gamble.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 16 2022 08:39 PM Re: Werried

I'd agree with that generally too. I just don't wanna see the Mets cough up a good start again and our club looks pretty wobbly all of a sudden

kcmets May 16 2022 08:53 PM Re: Werried

I'm wobbly worried. This is a big four-game series to me. Sweep the double dip tomorrow and we'll revisit the worries. #lgm #ygb #ymdyf

Edgy MD May 16 2022 09:21 PM Re: Werried

Pete checks his swing just a few inches earlier, and the Mets tie and have a better-than-even chance of winning yesterday, and we might be having a different conversation. The team seemed dead in the water for a big chunk of yesterday's game. I'm not sure why. But all I can ask of a manager is that, if they can't win it for me, to keep it close enough for the tying run to get to the plate in the ninth. The tying run made it to third, and it took our cleanup hitter swinging at two sliders out of the strike zone to beat us. Since that behavior had a-typical of him over the last six weeks, I'm going to look past it for now and try to take comfort in the notion that Buck has involved everybody, and so all sorts of guys can step up on a given night. But Pete always makes me worry, even when he's leading the league in RBI. Big men with big sticks and big talking tend to fall big. Also notable that, after very rarely ever using the same reliever on consecutive days, when Buck started experimenting with it in this series, it blew up in his face. I'm curious to see if he backs off of that.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 17 2022 05:42 AM Re: Werried

I think the overuse-the-relievers biz related to the staring pitching werries, Buck also stayed with Bassitt and Carrasco longer than ultimately ideal, probably. I wonder if we'll see Szapucki soon, I peeked for a moment at Syracuse starters and he seems to be the only one whose numbers wouldn't scare you to death

Gwreck May 17 2022 08:30 AM Re: Werried

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I wonder if we'll see Szapucki soon In addition to or instead of Peterson?

Johnny Lunchbucket May 17 2022 11:38 AM Re: Werried

Maybe both, I dunno

Edgy MD May 18 2022 06:51 PM Re: Werried

As for the Smith-expendability, it strikes me that these Cards may be in the shortstop market and taking a look at Guillorme.

nymr83 May 18 2022 08:38 PM Re: Werried

Edgy MD wrote: As for the Smith-expendability, it strikes me that these Cards may be in the shortstop market and taking a look at Guillorme. Great, send Mikolas over! we'll throw in a slightly used Nick Plummer

Edgy MD May 18 2022 08:43 PM Re: Werried

I'm not pitching a deal, but if one were to go down, I think the return would be more Matz-like.

kcmets May 18 2022 08:52 PM Re: Werried

Less worried

Johnny Lunchbucket May 18 2022 09:07 PM Re: Werried

I'm werried till they get to 12 over and I know what happened to scherz

Edgy MD May 18 2022 09:20 PM Re: Werried

I'm werried that they seem reluctant to deploy their Joely missile in May as frequently as they did in April. Yankees getting the batter of that challenge trade so far.

batmagadanleadoff May 26 2022 08:42 PM Re: Werried

Maybe the Brewers. Because the Mets no longer hold a first round playoffs bye.

Lefty Specialist May 31 2022 12:53 PM Re: Werried

So they're cruising. 33-17. But Peterson had a 9 run lead and couldn't get out of the 5th inning. Trevor Williams is a long reliever getting stretched out. Szapucki certainly didn't seem ready for prime time. No timetable for Scherzer, and deGrom...who knows. Even Megill seems to be at least a few weeks away. Just don't know how they're going to get through a Dodgers/Padres/Angels 10-game road trip with a scotch-taped-together rotation.

Edgy MD May 31 2022 01:03 PM Re: Werried

Trevor has over 100 starts at the big league level. Peterson, even after yesterday's start, has a 3.03 ERA on the season. Restraint is a virtue here. If you have the luxury of having faith in your process and giving problems a chance to solve themselves from out of that process, you'd be surprised how often that gets the job done. It certainly works as often as making reactive acquisitions does. With a pad between yourselves and the other teams, it gives you a chance to do both — let the problem solve itself (either by the internal options stepping up or injured options returning to form), and if it doesn't, then make an acquisition. Restraint, baby. Them's my principles. In my scenario, deGrom, Scherzer, Megill, and Lucchesi all return on the same day, and the Mets, with a double-digit lead on their division, wonder, "Holy shit, what are we going to do with all this pitching?" Joe Girardi will just resign in hopelessness that same day.

Edgy MD May 31 2022 07:40 PM Re: Werried

Five-shutout innings on 80 pitches for the in-house solution this evening. And he surely could have gone more if it had been deemed necessary.

Gwreck May 31 2022 10:01 PM Re: Werried

Big test for Trevor on Sunday at LA. I think he's up to it.

Chad ochoseis Jun 01 2022 02:17 PM Re: Werried

I'm concerned about the direction this team is moving in. We won 10-0 last night, but only managed half as many runs today.

Willets Point Jun 01 2022 04:02 PM Re: Werried

I worry about West Coast road trips. I'm sure some of you out there have the actual stats, but it feels like several promising Mets seasons have been derailed on a long visit to California. Of course, this year's Mets have a buffer and even if they go 0-10 (heaven forbid) they will still be in first place!

vtmet7 Jun 01 2022 04:25 PM Re: Werried

=ashie62 post_id=92469 time=1652737903 user_id=90] I am not concerned with Escobar. He has a good resume.

Even with Escobar's low batting average (and slumps), his splits in most seasons are pretty solid vs LHP (we can always play Luis G and Jeff McN together in the infield vs RHP when he appears lost batting lefty)...plus, his defense is pretty solid, he runs decent and is good for XBH's even when he's not getting many singles or walks

vtmet7 Jun 01 2022 04:26 PM Re: Werried

Willets Point wrote: I worry about West Coast road trips. I'm sure some of you out there have the actual stats, but it feels like several promising Mets seasons have been derailed on a long visit to California. Of course, this year's Mets have a buffer and even if they go 0-10 (heaven forbid) they will still be in first place! very true, I think that the '86 Mets were one of the few Mets teams that didn't struggle in the California trips

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 01 2022 04:29 PM Re: Werried

Chad ochoseis wrote: I'm concerned about the direction this team is moving in. We won 10-0 last night, but only managed half as many runs today. lolllol

Gwreck Jun 01 2022 05:13 PM Re: Werried

Willets Point wrote: I worry about West Coast road trips. I'm sure some of you out there have the actual stats, but it feels like several promising Mets seasons have been derailed on a long visit to California. Of course, this year's Mets have a buffer and even if they go 0-10 (heaven forbid) they will still be in first place! The last true Disastrous West Coast Road Trip was 2010. Mets went into the break at 48-40, 4 games behind the Braves and one game behind the Dodgers for the Wild Card. They went 2-9 against SF, LA, and ARZ, and ended the road trip in third place (passed by Philadelphia who would win the division) and totally out of it. In the 2-11 run against LA and SF last August, the worst was at home. The only 2 wins came in California.

kcmets Jun 29 2022 02:30 PM Re: Werried

I think there's another one of these threads too but couldn't find it and I think this is the newer one? Figured I'd bump since we have more than 48 hours to get winning again and 'werry' while we wait. One rule, no wound licking]. If ya wanna lick, start another thread haha...

MFS62 Jun 29 2022 04:31 PM Re: Werried

I think I'll wait and post my opinion in the "Scared Sh**less" thread. And, the way they're playing, that may not be too far in the future. Later

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 29 2022 05:13 PM Re: Werried

I think, generally, I'm on board with how DiComo lays things out here: --Bullpen looks WERRYSOME right now --Starting pitching --Carrasco + what else can go wrong looks WERRYSOME --BIG opportunity to dangle Davis/Smith to upgrade at DH https://www.mlb.com/news/mets-possible-trade-deadline-moves-2022

kcmets Jul 01 2022 02:44 PM Re: Werried

Just wanna say, before we embark on the holiday weekend, that I hope we don't look back on it in September and say - "yeah, that 4th of July Weekend is really where the wheels came off and they could never put them back on." ** This smelly wet blanket moment brought to you by #lgm #ygb #ymdyf **

The Hot Corner Jul 01 2022 08:54 PM Re: Werried

The starting rotation continues to fall apart due to injury and illness. Going into the July 4th weekend, the rotation is essentially, Walker, Peterson, Scherzer, a struggling Carrasco, and Trevor Williams until Bassitt returns from the COVID IL. The bullpen beyond Diaz (possibly D. Smith) "...is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get." The bullpen is devoid of a reliable lefty. I am growing increasingly concerned. The Mets are treading water right now. They were barely above .500 for the month of June. The Mets need DeGrom to join Scherzer at the top of the rotation. I have no doubt that DeGrom will eventually pitch and I expect him to do so at an elite level. I just don't have faith that he will do so for an extended period. The Mets need a left handed reliever that can be counted on to shut done the opposition most of the time.

Edgy MD Jul 01 2022 09:02 PM Re: Werried

You really think the bullpen is that concerning? I mean, yeah, you never know what you're gonna get, but ain't it always always that way always?

The Hot Corner Jul 01 2022 09:56 PM Re: Werried

Generally, the bullpen is a time for angst. Diaz has been solid and Drew Smith has had a few rough outings, but has been pretty good the majority of the time. Lugo and Ottavino need to get some consistency, they seem to be hit or miss. The lack of a reliable lefty out of the bullpen has been a problem all seaon and seems more evident with each time we call on one of our "lefty specialists". I have virtually no faith in Shreve or Rodriguez.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2022 05:58 AM Re: Werried

I'm not so sure, with the three-batter rule, lefty specialists are so much a thing anymore. Everybody's gotta be a generalist.

The Hot Corner Jul 02 2022 11:50 AM Re: Werried

True, the role lefty specialists has been diminished by the 3 batter rule, but there is certainly a place for a quality lefty (or two) in the pen. It's still quite helpful to have a reliable lefty to face a Harper, Soto, Olson, Freeman, Bellinger, Alvarez, Ohtani, etc. in a big spot with the game on the line. It's not like teams are going to pinch hit for these sluggers.

Edgy MD Jul 09 2022 04:45 PM Re: Werried

I'm werried about us not getting a report as to why Marte left the game.

The Hot Corner Jul 09 2022 05:01 PM Re: Werried

I agree. That is rather strange.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 12 2022 09:04 PM Re: Werried

My WERRY about the suddenly sonambulent offense (granted, Marte and McNeil missing, but this dead-zone has stretched now beyond their respective disappearances), is making me rethink whether I actually want to "stand firm" on earlier pronouncements I wouldn't promote the sturdier looking of Vientos/Baty/Rodriguez, put at DH and bat em 9th for 1 week, and watch what happens.

duan Jul 13 2022 08:31 AM Re: Werried

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: My WERRY about the suddenly sonambulent offense (granted, Marte and McNeil missing, but this dead-zone has stretched now beyond their respective disappearances), is making me rethink whether I actually want to "stand firm" on earlier pronouncements I wouldn't promote the sturdier looking of Vientos/Baty/Rodriguez, put at DH and bat em 9th for 1 week, and watch what happens. I know he hasn't hit at AAA yet, but it would really have made sense to promote Alvarez when McCann went down. If he doesn't hit you can send him back down when McCann is back, if he does you can keep him on and demote Dom. Right now he can catch 3 days a week and get some other batting done as PH/DH. Vientos similarly could have had a whirl.

Edgy MD Jul 13 2022 08:36 AM Re: Werried

Yeah, I like promoting big shot prospects as injury replacements. It takes the pressure off of them if they arrive as temps.

roger_that Jul 13 2022 04:05 PM Re: Werried

It's purely a win-win. I don't get why teams are so reluctant to make the best of a short-term injury to give some high-performing kid a taste of MLB.

MFS62 Jul 13 2022 05:01 PM Re: Werried

=roger_that post_id=99653 time=1657749924 user_id=128] It's purely a win-win. I don't get why teams are so reluctant to make the best of a short-term injury to give some high-performing kid a taste of MLB.

Follow the money.

Doing that starts the payer's arbitration clock earlier than they might want. If the prospect is that good, they want to keep his salary as low as possible, and keep him under club control, for as long as possible.



Later

Ceetar Jul 13 2022 05:41 PM Re: Werried

=roger_that post_id=99653 time=1657749924 user_id=128] It's purely a win-win. I don't get why teams are so reluctant to make the best of a short-term injury to give some high-performing kid a taste of MLB.

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Fman99 Jul 14 2022 05:31 AM Re: Werried

Saw Alvarez here in Syracuse Tuesday night. He's batting around .110 and looked pretty lost at the dish.

Lefty Specialist Jul 14 2022 06:02 AM Re: Werried

Alvarez seems at every level to start slow, get adjusted, slow down as they adjust to him, then rake. He's only 20. The Mets have a huge need at DH, but he's not the answer (yet).

MFS62 Jul 14 2022 06:45 AM Re: Werried

When I see Alvarez' slow start I keep reminding myself that Willie Mays started out something like 0-24 before he got his first major league hit. And I don't panic. As Murph used to say, the cream always rises to the top. Later

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2022 07:17 AM Re: Werried

=MFS62 post_id=99656 time=1657753310 user_id=60] =roger_that post_id=99653 time=1657749924 user_id=128] It's purely a win-win. I don't get why teams are so reluctant to make the best of a short-term injury to give some high-performing kid a taste of MLB.

Follow the money.

Doing that starts the payer's arbitration clock earlier than they might want. If the prospect is that good, they want to keep his salary as low as possible, and keep him under club control, for as long as possible.



Later


It's absurd to think that anyone is fretting over Alvarez's arbitration eligibility at his point.

The biggest obstacle from a rules aspect is that he isn't on the 40-man roster, doesn't have to be on the 40-man for protection purposes, and that

putting him on would necessitate taking someone else off. Maybe that someone is a potential injury fill-in who might be lost in the shuffle.