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Benjamin Grimm May 16 2022 12:39 PM

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kcmets May 16 2022 12:53 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

Yeah, I didn't know that. Fun Jane Jarvis tidbit!

batmagadanleadoff May 25 2022 11:23 AM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

Cant find a more appropriate thread for this item and didn't wanna start a brand new one just for this. Francisco Lindor ranks in the top 10 (8th) this season in offensive bWAR (NL). How is that possible?

Fman99 May 25 2022 12:01 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

I know what WAR is but what is bWAR? Is that like Gwar?

G-Fafif May 25 2022 12:10 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

bWAR is Baseball Reference's metric, differentiated from the FanGraphs version (fWAR).

batmagadanleadoff May 25 2022 12:19 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

What's Gwar? Is that like bWAR?

Edgy MD May 25 2022 12:23 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

Yeah, while both purport to measure the same thing, they have differing formulae that get you there. And I think both are proprietary, sort of like the NFL quarterback ranking formula. So who knows what's in the sauce? But followers have come to distinguish one from the other with the lower-case letter. I think the purest and most comprehensive measure of a player's performance is Metliness — or, based on the Crane Pool's particular formulations, cMET.

MFS62 May 25 2022 12:25 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

bWAR, gWAR, fWAR All I am saying is "give peace a chance". Later

Fman99 May 25 2022 01:15 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=93503 time=1653502759 user_id=68] What's Gwar? Is that like bWAR?

GWAR is the 1990's most satirical and ridiculous heavy metal novelty act band.

Ceetar May 25 2022 01:19 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=93499 time=1653499390 user_id=68] Cant find a more appropriate thread for this item and didn't wanna start a brand new one just for this. Francisco Lindor ranks in the top 10 (8th) this season in offensive bWAR (NL). How is that possible?

because he's really good and plays SS? I'm not sure what you're asking

batmagadanleadoff May 25 2022 01:31 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

=Ceetar post_id=93514 time=1653506351 user_id=102] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=93499 time=1653499390 user_id=68] Cant find a more appropriate thread for this item and didn't wanna start a brand new one just for this. Francisco Lindor ranks in the top 10 (8th) this season in offensive bWAR (NL). How is that possible?

because he's really good and plays SS? I'm not sure what you're asking


It was really a rhetorical question. If Lindor ranks 8th, he ranks 8th. It's an objective measure and the numbers don't lie. But I follow the Mets pretty closely, like everybody else here, and just eyeballing Lindor this season, he's not nearly as underwhelming as he was last year but I dont get the feel that he'd be 8th in offensive bWAR... that there aren't way more than seven NLers ranked higher.

Ceetar May 25 2022 01:56 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

He's been really good. I dunno, I've been eyeballing him this season and I read that and thought "yeah, that sounds about right". I wouldn't call bWAR objective though. for one, with straight bWAR Lindor is 31st. He's been dinged a little on defense this year (something that seems true too). by offensive bWAR he is 8th, but tied with McNeil and C.J. Cron. it's really more of an estimate though, the 1.5 of Freeman at 15th is roughly the same. He's 22nd in fWAR (all MLB), fangraphs a little more forgiving of his defense. That takes into account position and baserunning and everything though. He's 59th of 168 qualified batters in wRC+, or run creation. Which is still pretty good, but he doesn't get the premium defensive position adjustment there.

batmagadanleadoff May 25 2022 02:06 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

Yes. I agree with all of that analysis. I'm not saying that Lindor is awful. And he had an awesome April where he ranked top 10 in several categories. I just didnt get the sense that he'd rank so high in offensive bWAR. How's "formulaic "? Do you like that word better than "objective"?

Willets Point May 25 2022 02:29 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

Gwar is a measurement specific to Richmond, VA. https://i0.wp.com/rockshowcritique.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GWAR-NEW-PRESS.jpg?ssl=1>

Ceetar May 25 2022 03:13 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

Yes. I agree with all of that analysis. I'm not saying that Lindor is awful. And he had an awesome April where he ranked top 10 in several categories. I just didnt get the sense that he'd rank so high in offensive bWAR. How's "formulaic "? Do you like that word better than "objective"? yeah, maybe. objective makes it sound so final to me. It's a tool for understanding what's happening on the field, but not so much the final word on it. A lot of it's the positional adjustment, the wRC+ ranking shows that he's not really creating runs at the 8th best rate, even accounting for park factors and the like. It's something I've been curious about actually, do SS/CF show up higher early on, before the less premium positions have a time to make up for the positional adjustments with more dingers? or does it round out?

Edgy MD Jul 07 2022 08:26 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

Since 2019, Melvin Upton, Jr. has elected to again be publicly known as B.J. Upton.

whippoorwill Jul 08 2022 07:08 AM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

Willets Point wrote: Gwar is a measurement specific to Richmond, VA. https://i0.wp.com/rockshowcritique.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GWAR-NEW-PRESS.jpg?ssl=1> Is this like an updated Village People?

Frayed Knot Jul 09 2022 10:37 AM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

Kenny Lofton, listed at 6' 0" / 180, played basketball at U. Arizona. OK that part you probably knew as did I. What I just found out is that Kenneth Lofton Jr. played hoops at LA Tech and is currently on a G-League tryout with Memphis where he's listed at 6' 7" / 275 !! What the hell happened there?!?

roger_that Jul 09 2022 11:59 AM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

Frayed Knot wrote: What the hell happened there?!? First guess would be that Mrs. Lofton got a little too friendly with Richie Sexson (6'7", 230) when Mr. Lofton was his teammate on the 1999 Indians.

Edgy MD Jul 09 2022 12:41 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

That's a scandalous but tempting thought, seeing as how the hoopster kind of looks biracial. But I think your second guess would have been the correct one — and that would be that Kenneth Lofton, Jr. isn't the son of the baseball player at all. The father of the basketballer was a soldier and a postal worker.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 09 2022 12:47 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

I was gonna guess that Mrs Lofton was 7'4".

Edgy MD Oct 15 2022 09:24 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

I guess I should have known this long ago, but Paul McCartney, despite famously playing a lefthanded axe, swung the stick from the right side. [fimg=500]https://metsrostercentral.files.wordpress.com/2022/10/beatleball.jpg[/fimg]

Benjamin Grimm Oct 15 2022 09:31 PM Re: Baseball Things You Didn't Know Until 2022 (Or at least I didn't)

No duh! That's why he platooned with Wally Backman.