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The Scherzer vigil

Frayed Knot May 18 2022 07:39 PM

Gonna be a lot of pins and needles -- and a whole Lotta speculation -- waiting on official news.

bmfc1 May 18 2022 07:42 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

He was sleepy. He wanted to watch the Rangers game. He's fine. Everything will be fine.

kcmets May 18 2022 07:45 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

=bmfc1 post_id=92731 time=1652924566 user_id=73]He wanted to watch the Rangers game.

Everyone's a comedian... oh, wait...

Edgy MD May 18 2022 07:52 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Stomach cramps. Every time he stretched his core during his windup, it hurt like hell, and the flinches were affecting how he was finishing his pitches, and he was afraid he was gonna hit somebody. He'll get prescribed fluids and be 100% tomorrow. I'm totally right about this.

Frayed Knot May 18 2022 07:56 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

I know that he is merely speculating just like the rest of us ... but I'd feel a whole lot better about this whole thing if Gary didn't sound like he was planning Scherzer's funeral.

Edgy MD May 18 2022 07:57 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Sez the guy who started a thread called "The Scherzer vigil."

TransMonk May 18 2022 07:58 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

And everyone in the dugout didn't look as if they were attending that funeral.

Lefty Specialist May 18 2022 08:22 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Left side discomfort? That could be anything.....

Edgy MD May 18 2022 08:23 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Left-side discomfort = impacted stool. I'm so very right about this.

Frayed Knot May 18 2022 08:27 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

The good thing about "discomfort on his left side" is that neither the words 'shoulder' or 'elbow' are present.

G-Fafif May 19 2022 10:42 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/1527324982321111044[/tweet]

kcmets May 19 2022 10:52 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

There it is.

ashie62 May 19 2022 11:31 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Crap.

ashie62 May 19 2022 11:35 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Time to check the odds on a Dom trade perhaps.

seawolf17 May 19 2022 12:05 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

FRIG.

G-Fafif May 19 2022 12:37 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Six to eight weeks typical timeline. Moderate to high-grade oblique strain. Official word.

TransMonk May 19 2022 12:38 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Fuck!

Frayed Knot May 19 2022 12:38 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

aka: post ASB

G-Fafif May 19 2022 12:39 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mets/status/1527357721892179999[/tweet]

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2022 12:40 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

If the ol' double the prognosis formula works here, that means see ya next season.

seawolf17 May 19 2022 12:43 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

EVERYTHING SUCKS NOW

Lefty Specialist May 19 2022 12:59 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

They need to get a starter, stat. JD or Dom are on the block. Good thing they didn't trade for Paddock from SD as he's going to get TJ surgery.

nymr83 May 19 2022 07:48 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=92810 time=1652985630 user_id=68] If the ol' double the prognosis formula works here, that means see ya next season.

See you for a tune up in September before 5 lights out innings in Game 1 against the Cardinals :)

nymr83 May 19 2022 07:49 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Lefty Specialist wrote: They need to get a starter, stat. JD or Dom are on the block. Good thing they didn't trade for Paddock from SD as he's going to get TJ surgery. Did the Mets ever get to the point where they saw his medicals? maybe the medical staff is smarter now. Maybe not signing Kumar Rocker will prove wise too.

MFS62 May 19 2022 08:40 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

I'd give him part of one of my lats if they thought it would help. Later

ashie62 May 20 2022 04:24 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

You have to move forward as if Max and Jake are not coming back. It will take more than Dom or JD to get a solid quality arm. Might have to trade a wunderkind prospect to get one

Edgy MD May 20 2022 05:26 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

I think that there's a good chance that they have a solid quality arm.

Fman99 May 20 2022 06:06 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Edgy MD wrote: Left-side discomfort = impacted stool. I'm so very right about this. I enjoy how confidently wrong you were on this. It's pleasing to me as the smallest of consolations for the actual news we got.

seawolf17 May 20 2022 06:12 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

=nymr83 post_id=92904 time=1653011358 user_id=54] Did the Mets ever get to the point where they saw his medicals? maybe the medical staff is smarter now. Maybe not signing Kumar Rocker will prove wise too.

Rocker just signed with an indy league team somewhere last week, so yeah, we dodged a bullet there, I think.



I was all set to throw the kitchen sink at anyone with a serviceable arm yesterday afternoon, but that's why I'm just some doofball on the internet and not a major league GM. I think Bassitt/Carrasco/Walker is still a good 1-3, and if we can get enough out of some combination of Peterson/Szapucki/Williams for a few weeks, I'm good with that, because we're not going to do better right now.

Fman99 May 20 2022 06:48 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

=seawolf17 post_id=92923 time=1653048750 user_id=91] =nymr83 post_id=92904 time=1653011358 user_id=54] Did the Mets ever get to the point where they saw his medicals? maybe the medical staff is smarter now. Maybe not signing Kumar Rocker will prove wise too.

Rocker just signed with an indy league team somewhere last week, so yeah, we dodged a bullet there, I think.



I was all set to throw the kitchen sink at anyone with a serviceable arm yesterday afternoon, but that's why I'm just some doofball on the internet and not a major league GM. I think Bassitt/Carrasco/Walker is still a good 1-3, and if we can get enough out of some combination of Peterson/Szapucki/Williams for a few weeks, I'm good with that, because we're not going to do better right now.


As a co-doofball I agree with all of this. I also agree with what Gary Cohen was saying on the broadcast yesterday - that the biceps injury that's got Megill on the bench is all the larger, because if he can get back in the 1-2 week range, that pushes Williams to the 6th slot and the rest of the rabble up here to the 'Cuse where they belong.

nymr83 May 20 2022 07:56 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Yeah, even with all of Cohen's money there just isn't likely to be a meaningful starting pitcher available for trade in mid-May. We'll need to wait for some teams like the Reds to decide "fuck it, we suck and its time to trade Castillo"

Edgy MD May 20 2022 08:22 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

You've got hunnerts of players you've been developing for years according to an ongoing PLAN. You don't want want to throw the PLAN out the window willy-nilly because of an occurrence that was, frankly, expected to happen within the schemata of the PLAN sooner or later. A hasty radical departure from the PLAN shows that you never had faith in the PLAN in the first place, nor in the men and women who developed it. Know who has totally been a starting pitcher most of his career? Adonis Medina has.

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2022 08:30 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

I agree that the Mets shouldn't trade one of their top prospects in order to replace about ten starts from Max Scherzer. But there may be other trades that can be made and they should at least be explored. And yeah, Adonis Medina is certainly someone to consider for the rotation.

duan May 20 2022 08:40 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

They've signed Trevor Cahill too. He needs to do some extended spring training to get into game shape, but it's not the worst idea to have him as an arm that they can hope to catch a bit of lightening in a bottle with. He was good in 2018 and 2020, bad in 2019 and 2021 ...

Johnny Lunchbucket May 20 2022 12:19 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Luis Castillo goes tonight in Toronto-- betcha Mets scouts'll be there, good test against good club.

nymr83 May 20 2022 12:26 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Edgy MD wrote: You've got hunnerts of players you've been developing for years according to an ongoing PLAN. You don't want want to throw the PLAN out the window willy-nilly because of an occurrence that was, frankly, expected to happen within the schemata of the PLAN sooner or later. A hasty radical departure from the PLAN shows that you never had faith in the PLAN in the first place, nor in the men and women who developed it. Know who has totally been a starting pitcher most of his career? Adonis Medina has. 1. Cohen's Mets have NOT spent years working on a 'plan' - because he hasn't been in charge that long. It would be quite reasonable for the to think that in the longer-term they want to have plans for these things but you can't draft and develop an army of starting pitching replacements overnight. the 'plan' may very well be that they have identified some combination of Mauricio/Baty/Vientos (hopefully not Alvarez) as being hte most expendable out that group and available when the need for pitching arose. trading one of them for pitching would have thus been their plan. ( and though Cohen hasn't been running the Mets for long, you could say that this is a perfectly viable long-term plan to - the idea that hitting prospects and less injury prone and you are best off developing them and trading them as opposed to drafting young pitchers and overseeing their tommy john recoveries.) 2. I didn't say give up the farm anyway. spending Steve's cash on contract dumps that could help the Mets doesnt hurt any long term plan.

Edgy MD May 20 2022 12:30 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

=nymr83 post_id=92962 time=1653071169 user_id=54]1. Cohen's Mets have NOT spent years working on a 'plan' - because he hasn't been in charge that long.

The style guide recommends PLAN be expressed in all-caps when referring to the the overarching organizational strategy. When quoting a prior all-caps usage, it's just polite.

ashie62 May 21 2022 10:17 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Call the A's about Frankie Months.

ashie62 May 21 2022 10:18 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Luis Castillo goes tonight in Toronto-- betcha Mets scouts'll be there, good test against good club. I was thinking of Tyler Mahle also.

whippoorwill May 21 2022 03:11 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Frayed Knot wrote: I know that he is merely speculating just like the rest of us ... but I'd feel a whole lot better about this whole thing if Gary didn't sound like he was planning Scherzer's funeral. Yeah he's toast

Johnny Lunchbucket May 21 2022 04:22 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Luis Castillo goes tonight in Toronto-- betcha Mets scouts'll be there, good test against good club. Not 4 nothing but he pitched pretty well, 6 innings, 2 runs. Arb eligible after season

Edgy MD May 21 2022 04:31 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Edgy MD wrote: Left-side discomfort = impacted stool. I'm so very right about this. I enjoy how confidently wrong you were on this. It's pleasing to me as the smallest of consolations for the actual news we got. If you're going in, you gotta go all in. But, you know, nobody is saying that his strained oblique WASN'T caused by an impacted stool.

Edgy MD May 21 2022 04:50 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Luis Castillo goes tonight in Toronto-- betcha Mets scouts'll be there, good test against good club. Not 4 nothing but he pitched pretty well, 6 innings, 2 runs. Arb eligible after season Keep an eye on him. I'm on Bartolo watch.

Edgy MD May 22 2022 07:59 PM Re: The Scherzer vigil

He insults the Japanese ambassador, and then two starts later, with no prior symptoms, just succumbs to a magically sprained oblique? Batters injure their obliques, not pitchers! If you don't think that's more than a coincidence, you've drunk the Hatakosen Litchi-flavored Ramune, my friends.

Lefty Specialist May 23 2022 07:44 AM Re: The Scherzer vigil

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Luis Castillo goes tonight in Toronto-- betcha Mets scouts'll be there, good test against good club. I've never forgiven him for dropping that pop-up.