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Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

roger_that Jun 07 2022 04:53 PM

So sez SI. No link yet.

kcmets Jun 07 2022 05:04 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

If there's no link, where did they sez it?

roger_that Jun 07 2022 05:07 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

I'm driving. Meantime Google.

kcmets Jun 07 2022 05:17 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Starting threads while driving sounds dangerous. Stay safe.

roger_that Jun 07 2022 05:46 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Starting threads while driving sounds dangerous. Stay safe. It would be pretty macabre if I never posted again, wouldn't it? No, I arrived alive (and I was posting at red lights, which is barely doable but safe enough.) Here's yer link: https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/new-york-willson-contreras-mlb-trade-deadline-target-mets-james-mccann-mlb-insider-jeff-passan-jim-bowden

batmagadanleadoff Jun 07 2022 05:58 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

That's an almost verbatim reprint of an article posted a few days ago. It reads more like the so called insiders opining rather than sharing inside info. Also, the web Sports Illustrated, these days, is ... to call it an embarrassment would be a gross understatement. Not your father's SI any more. Or your older brother's. To steal one of ceetar's favorite words, it's trash.

roger_that Jun 07 2022 06:08 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Hey, for someone browsing the web while driving, you're lucky I didn't write that the Mets were angling to get Wilson Phillips.

nymr83 Jun 07 2022 06:09 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

I don't know what state you are in, but posting at red lights is still a ticket in most. Doesn't seem worth it

Willets Point Jun 07 2022 06:19 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

=roger_that post_id=95237 time=1654646886 user_id=128] Hey, for someone browsing the web while driving, you're lucky I didn't write that the Mets were angling to get Wilson Phillips.

To get that story, we'll have to hold on for one more day.

roger_that Jun 07 2022 06:24 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

=nymr83 post_id=95238 time=1654646947 user_id=54] I don't know what state you are in, but posting at red lights is still a ticket in most. Doesn't seem worth it

I'm beginning to regret posting after KC's expression of concern for my safety.



Where I live, traffic lights last forever. People knit sweaters, read novels, take catnaps until the light turns green.

bmfc1 Jun 07 2022 07:44 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

I've read this as a possibility in The Athletic. It makes sense although I wonder if they would want to get a new catcher, who has to learn the pitchers, midway through the season.

Ceetar Jun 07 2022 07:47 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

people gotta post stuff. *Shrug* Hey, at least SI isn't the NY Post. I automatically assume anything written in there is wrong. What's the status on McCann, he sucks, but I don't see the Mets grabbing another catcher with Nido kinda hitting.

Fman99 Jun 07 2022 08:11 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

=roger_that post_id=95237 time=1654646886 user_id=128] Hey, for someone browsing the web while driving, you're lucky I didn't write that the Mets were angling to get Wilson Phillips.

I'd take a quick hard shot at 2/3 of this comment

nymr83 Jun 07 2022 09:06 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

=bmfc1 post_id=95246 time=1654652677 user_id=73] I've read this as a possibility in The Athletic. It makes sense although I wonder if they would want to get a new catcher, who has to learn the pitchers, midway through the season.

Get him NOW with more time to learn! The addition of the DH helps too - his bat is good enough to play there even if a few weeks are needed to get on the same page as the pitchers.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 07 2022 09:48 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

I think Contreras would make sense. Not as Nidos replacement but Mazeikas

Edgy MD Jun 07 2022 09:54 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Nido or Mazeika would possibly be part of the return.

MFS62 Jun 08 2022 05:57 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Willets Point wrote: =roger_that post_id=95237 time=1654646886 user_id=128] Hey, for someone browsing the web while driving, you're lucky I didn't write that the Mets were angling to get Wilson Phillips. To get that story, we'll have to hold on for one more day.

Nice.

Later

seawolf17 Jun 08 2022 06:30 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Nido's been nice, but he's still a hole in the lineup like McCann was this year. Fact is, our catchers have totalled roughly a 0.0 bWAR this year, so any upgrade is probably a good one. (Plus, Dom Smith WOULD be an upgrade for them at first, for what that's worth.)

kcmets Jun 08 2022 07:47 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Is it too radical an idea to bring Alvarez up for a sniff instead of (allegedly) sniffing for Contreras?

Edgy MD Jun 08 2022 07:52 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Probably, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got a September ticket.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 08 2022 08:02 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

I feel like, it's really tough to break in a starting catcher, so rushing Alvarez to fill an immediate need seems like a bad idea unless he has nothing left to prove in AAA, which I don't believe is the current narrative on him. September seems like a better plan for him and us

seawolf17 Jun 08 2022 09:07 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

If there are ABs for him in September, then yeah, he'll come up. If McCann/Nido/Mazeika are all still on the 40, though, I doubt it. That said, Mazeika's hold on a 40 spot is tenuous at best.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 08 2022 10:42 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

There's a web article published yesterday where one of the minor league experts is now rating Alvarez as the best prospect in all of baseball. And BTW, after a slow start, Alvarez is currently destroying AA pitching.

roger_that Jun 08 2022 10:54 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Yeah, I read that one, too. Made me think that they could bring him up as soon as August. Much better to promote a prospect too soon than stick him in the minors while you're losing games you could be winning now. The harm in promoting kids too soon is BS: we promoted kids from Kranepool and Cleon Jones and Swoboda before they were ready, and (Kranepool and Jones, anyway) we sent them back down to log more time in minors when we saw that they were not. Swoboda got off to too hot a start for that, and kind of got messed up as a result, but that's much rarer, and sometimes (Gooden and Reyes and Strawberry and Wright) we've been very pleasantly surprised.

seawolf17 Jun 08 2022 10:55 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Oh, 100%. And I guess I'm still stuck in that old Wilponian "well, we owe McCann too much money to not play him" mentality a bit. If Alvarez is ready, he'll be here.

Frayed Knot Jun 08 2022 11:04 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 08 2022 11:07 AM

And do keep in mind that BEST prospect (assuming that's even true at this point) isn't the same thing as 'closest to ready. The guys that make those lists are always trying to gauge a player's ceiling and then tempering that with the chances of him reaching that height. As a guy hitting well above his age group and doing so while playing a premium position makes him potentially long term gold, but that same logic got Amed Rosario top 5 props too. At the moment Alvarez has <700 minor Lg ABs and <200 of those above A ball

MFS62 Jun 08 2022 11:05 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=95347 time=1654706563 user_id=68] And BTW, after a slow start, Alvarez is currently destroying AA pitching.

He hit three home runs in his first three games and slowed down after that. But, you're right, he has gotten hot again.

He's supposed to have a good arm, but there have been a few games where there were lots of stolen bases against him. This is AA, and some of them can probably be attributed to the pitchers not holding the runners close. But it is worth noting.

He may be up in September, but I wouldn't bring him up before that.



As for Contreras, there were some CPF-ers (me among them) wanting the Mets to sign him in past years. He's 30 years old, is arb eligible and won't become a free agent until 2023. So that might be the perfect type of player until we're sure Alvarez is ready to become a regular.

Later

Edgy MD Jun 08 2022 11:06 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

He actually had a torrid start and then cratered after two weeks when they stopped pitching to him and he initially responded by chasing the ball all over the place. He finally starting laying off, forcing pitchers to come back after him, and he's back in gear.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 08 2022 11:21 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Frayed Knot wrote: And do keep in mind that BEST prospect (assuming that's even true at this point) isn't the same thing as 'closest to ready. The guys that make those lists are always trying to gauge a player's ceiling and then tempering that with the chances of him reaching that height. True. And that article points all that out. In Alvarez's case, that catching is by far the toughest defensive position in baseball and that Alvarez's defense is not on par with his hitting. He's really raw, defensively.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 08 2022 11:54 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

=MFS62 post_id=95351 time=1654707939 user_id=60] As for Contreras, there were some CPF-ers (me among them) wanting the Mets to sign him in past years. He's 30 years old, is arb eligible and won't become a free agent until 2023.

When Baseball Reference says that free agency is in 2023, that means after the 2022 season. Contreras is currently in his walk year. So he would be a rental player, just as Baez was last year. I've seen speculation that it would take Ronny Mauricio to get Contreras from the Cubs.

roger_that Jun 08 2022 11:55 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Not worse than Mackey Sasser. Or Clint Hurdle. Or Jesse Gonder. In a pinch, I'd give the kid a cup of coffee, let him see what MLB is like, do a little pinchhitting, get behind the dish in a blowout or two, and send him back to Syracuse or wherever, with a pat on the ass and the words, "Work on it, buddy."

batmagadanleadoff Jun 08 2022 12:05 PM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

=roger_that post_id=95358 time=1654710929 user_id=128] Not worse than Mackey Sasser. Or Clint Hurdle. Or Jesse Gonder.

Perhaps. But they're not doing things the way they did them 30, 50 or 60 years ago. Gonder and Sasser were never the top prospects that FA is and Hurdle's career maybe calls out for a little more pre-MLB seasoning and a lot less attention on the way to the majors.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 10 2022 04:53 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Maybe not this season. Cubs and Contreras reach deal for 2022 season. https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiaWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmVzcG4uY29tL21sYi9zdG9yeS9fL2lkLzM0MDYzODQ0L2NoaWNhZ28tY3Vicy13aWxsc29uLWNvbnRyZXJhcy1hdm9pZC1hcmJpdHJhdGlvbi1zb3VyY2Utc2F5c9IBdmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmVzcG4uY29tL21sYi9zdG9yeS9fL2lkLzM0MDYzODQ0L2NoaWNhZ28tY3Vicy13aWxsc29uLWNvbnRyZXJhcy1hdm9pZC1hcmJpdHJhdGlvbi1zb3VyY2Utc2F5cz9wbGF0Zm9ybT1hbXA?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen Doesn't mean the Cubs can't trade him near the deadline. Just means the Cubs avoided arbitration.

Frayed Knot Jun 10 2022 05:03 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

That's merely an agreement in advance of the arbitration process which was delayed due to the off-season lockout. League-wide arbitration decisions have been coming down over the last week or two but Contreras, like all the other arb-players, was already tied to his team for '22, only the numbers remained TBD. None of this means he can't be traded between now and whenever the deadline is these days.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 10 2022 05:05 AM Re: Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

Frayed Knot wrote: That's merely an agreement in advance of the arbitration process which was delayed due to the off-season lockout. League-wide arbitration decisions have been coming down over the last week or two but Contreras, like all the other arb-players, was already tied to his team for '22, only the numbers remained TBD. None of this means he can't be traded between now and whenever the deadline is these days. I know. Re-read my post. I added a sentence or two, probably just before you wrote your post.