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IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

kcmets Jun 16 2022 07:38 AM

Ashby, LHP #26 1-5, 3.92 Megill, RHP #28 4-2, 4.50 [YOUTUBE]AxB8xGJvCQQ[/YOUTUBE]

ashie62 Jun 16 2022 09:18 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

I know I have the right to kick some Brewer ass. Tylord, Stand and deliver

Fman99 Jun 16 2022 11:53 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

The Mets are 6-0 this season in games coming off of a loss of 5 runs or more.

TransMonk Jun 16 2022 12:33 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie! Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 17 2022 08:03 AM

This game is not a must win, but it sure would be nice to finish this tough 13-game stretch with a winning record. I'd love to spend the off day thinking about that than a series loss to the scuffling Brewers. Especially with the red hot Braves back on our tail. OE: There is no off day. Not sure why I had that in my head when posted.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 01:32 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 16 2022 01:34 PM

I was just thinking 3 1/2 games up (with the Braves idle) would kinda suck with a loss tonight. 4 games is my comfort level right now. No off day, got the fish sticks coming in for a 7:10r, a 4:10r and a 1:10r this weekend.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 01:33 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

In my mind, it a must-win game.

vtmet7 Jun 16 2022 02:45 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

anyone else feel like we are playing the Cub Scouts when the Brewers wear their Cub Scout-like uniforms and hats? https://uni-watch.com/2019/11/19/big-news-brewers-unveil-new-uni-set/ [BLOCKQUOTE]Update: As several readers have pointed out, the road alternate also looks a lot like a Cub Scout uniform:[/BLOCKQUOTE] https://cdn.uni-watch.com/app/uploads/2019/11/EJv9aXPW4AA4buc.jpg>

kcmets Jun 16 2022 02:59 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

I've mentioned it this year and maybe last.

vtmet7 Jun 16 2022 03:04 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

I've mentioned it this year and maybe last. sorry that I didn't realize it...I wasn't around much last season, I always seem to have a hard time remembering what the current web address is of "The Crane Pool Forum" (it has changed several times over the years)...However, I bought a new Windows11 computer in the spring, and the current site is on my bookmarks at the top of my browser so it's much easier to get here nowadays

kcmets Jun 16 2022 03:59 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Everything in a nutshell: https://thecranepool.net/

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 04:07 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

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roger_that Jun 16 2022 04:43 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Wtf is Buck thinking there?

kcmets Jun 16 2022 04:54 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

=roger_that post_id=96185 time=1655419406 user_id=128]Wtf is Buck thinking there?

Bad news for The Brew Crew!?!

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 04:57 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

That Lindor might get a peak at 15 to 20 pitches before he even comes to the plate in the bottom of the 1st

roger_that Jun 16 2022 05:17 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

And how does flipping nimmo from 1 to 2 accomplish that?

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 05:30 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Frayed Knot wrote: That Lindor might get a peak at 15 to 20 pitches before he even comes to the plate in the bottom of the 1st Only nine thx to the first pitch HBP to Nimsy

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 05:39 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

McGoo really looks like he's in control here. Brewers seem to be guessing wrong every time.

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 05:43 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Narvaez may have just set the season mark for most indifferent "run" to first. He looked like he just fell off a ladder.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 16 2022 05:45 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Gary Cohen wishing that Citi Field offered Nathan's french fries to go with Nathan's hot dogs. Amen to that!

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 05:49 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Plummer is looking like Smith will be back soon.

roger_that Jun 16 2022 05:57 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

I feel good when slots 2-5 are up, not so otherwise. And I ain't feeling so good about Lindor lately

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 06:02 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Megill, on the other hand, looks every bit as much an All-Star as Burnes was last night. I was thinking maybe more, but Burnes is the defending Cy Young Award winner, so that would be crazy. But maybe more.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 06:03 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Lindor is in the 2-5 slot? Make up your mind.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 06:27 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Megil cooked, pulls himself from game.

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 06:32 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Shreve got the DP grounder he needed, just not in the right place.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 06:33 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Game of inches....

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 06:35 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Yelich's HR, which led off this top-4, seems like it was about 45 minutes ago.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 06:38 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Yeah, this is a long-ass inning from hell.

vtmet7 Jun 16 2022 06:43 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Everything in a nutshell: https://thecranepool.net/ thanks

Chad ochoseis Jun 16 2022 06:51 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Speaking of nutshells, there's a Brewer outfielder who could've used one.

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 07:04 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

I feel like I cursed Megill with my admiration. McCutcheon didn't get any good swings on him, but he hung in there, and it took a lot of pitches to strike him out. Tylor quickly declined the next inning.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 16 2022 07:07 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

This team. Cahna

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 07:07 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Mebbe that's what Buck was thinking.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 07:08 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

[BIGPURPLE]CanhaBOOOM![/BIGPURPLE]

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 07:09 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

I thought Cain was going to get that but I think he steamed over his own tow line trying for it.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 07:12 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Second pitcher-change delay. This may go to midnight.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 07:17 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Chad ochoseis wrote: Speaking of nutshells, there's a Brewer outfielder who could've used one. Right, that hadda hurt!

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 07:17 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Bring in a lefty sidearmer when the the next four batters are three righties and McNeil. Gotta take advantage of that.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 16 2022 07:20 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Pete needs to stop hitting all these popups

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 07:22 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Trying to pull a guy who is pitching you down and away is good recipe for weak contact.

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 07:23 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

=kcmets post_id=96217 time=1655428356 user_id=53] Second pitcher-change delay. This may go to midnight.

2:11 for five innings.

I may have to catch up with the end of this one in the morning.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 07:31 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

That's some solid Lugo.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 07:33 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Everybody hits!! #lgm #ygb #ymdyf

roger_that Jun 16 2022 07:35 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

=kcmets post_id=96202 time=1655424222 user_id=53] Lindor is in the 2-5 slot? Make up your mind.

Yes, #3 is in the 2-5. I'm saying I'm concerned that even the #3 batter isn't filling me with confidence of late. So basically I'm feeling confident about 2, 4, and 5, which ain't much.

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 07:36 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

One of the photographers in the well next to the dugout has a [FIMG=20]https://64.media.tumblr.com/412ea53ba31c39bf476649deb4e127e4/tumblr_inline_o5w737fFmc1r9qiw6_1280.png[/FIMG] sticker on his telescopic lens.

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 07:41 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

That route taken by the Milwaukee CF'er on that Plummer fly out deserves some analysis, aka: the Cain scrutiny. all right, I'll stop now

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 07:44 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Three Mets expecting kids. We're going to have some paternity leave coming up.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 07:47 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Time to stretch... [YOUTUBE]8oZxBDLK3FU[/YOUTUBE]

roger_that Jun 16 2022 07:48 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Lip-readers alert: Ashby saying "Fuck!" after Canha HR. Couldn't have been plainer. At 0:21 here: [TWEET]https://twitter.com/i/status/1537604236409806848[/TWEET]

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 07:50 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Who do you like for the next Mets pitcher?

nymr83 Jun 16 2022 07:52 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Canha got hit on the hand checking his swing.... it almost shouldnt count as a HBP

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 16 2022 07:56 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Come on down to Box Burger, where we guarantee your order will be hot and fresh, every time. Try our new double with fries, get a free small Dr Pepper while supplies last

kcmets Jun 16 2022 07:57 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 16 2022 07:58 PM

Balls called strikes. It needs to end.

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 07:58 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Gotta protect a bit with two strikes, Nim.

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 08:00 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Free box with every burger.

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 08:03 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

If your pitcher can't figure out what to do here he shouldn't be out there. End Mound Conferences!!!!

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 08:11 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

So, both Marte and Escobar are unavailable, and Mazeika is the entire bench tonight?

bmfc1 Jun 16 2022 08:16 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Frayed Knot wrote: If your pitcher can't figure out what to do here he shouldn't be out there. End Mound Conferences!!!! It's the only sport that allows a manager/coach to stop the game, walk to the middle of the field, and hold a meeting. I agree. If the manager leaves the bench the pitcher is gone.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 16 2022 08:22 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Let's get Rowdy

kcmets Jun 16 2022 08:22 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Oh boy, things going our way NOW!!!

nymr83 Jun 16 2022 08:22 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

yeahhhhh lets do this!

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 08:23 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

What a break! And really, I don't care how good a move the pitcher has, shouldn't sending the runner on 3-2 with Guillorme up be pretty much automatic?

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 08:26 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Edgy MD wrote: And really, I don't care how good a move the pitcher has, shouldn't sending the runner on 3-2 with Guillorme up be pretty much automatic? I wouldn't have sent him.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 16 2022 08:26 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Somebody call a Plummer

nymr83 Jun 16 2022 08:28 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

its good to be lucky!

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 08:29 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Weird way to get a lead. I'll take it. If you don't have a pinch-hitter with your eighth and ninth guys coming up with the game on the line, you gots to find one.

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 08:29 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Sure is better to see the game in Diaz' hands than in Hader's.

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 08:30 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Cue the trumpets

Fman99 Jun 16 2022 08:31 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Not sure what Marte is doing there but happy to get a gift run. Now, let's put this fucker to bed, so I can go to bed.

kcmets Jun 16 2022 08:32 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

This is big, huge, season big. #lgm #ygb #ymdyf

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 16 2022 08:36 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

This game is getting stupid

nymr83 Jun 16 2022 08:36 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

PLAY AT THE PLATE !!

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 16 2022 08:37 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Deserves to get tagged on the face

Chad ochoseis Jun 16 2022 08:37 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Live by the throwing arm, die by the throwing arm, Renfroe.

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 08:37 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Keith had it right: "Brutal choice" by 3rd base coach

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 16 2022 08:38 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

B00kz

nymr83 Jun 16 2022 08:39 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Buck: "do you want Yellich"? Diaz: "sit down Buck! SIT DOWN Yellich!"

kcmets Jun 16 2022 08:39 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

They prevail

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2022 08:41 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Ron & Keith were all over those last two innings, analyzing and first guessing every move and potential move, and getting most, if not all, of them right.

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 08:45 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

So that's sure one way to end it. Putting everything on Nido's tagging skills wouldn't have been my first choice, but WOW. Hard to be scraping by like this while the Phils and Braves are destroying opponents every night, but here we are. We need some benchies. Is Lou Collier available?

nymr83 Jun 16 2022 08:46 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Frayed Knot wrote: Ron & Keith were all over those last two innings, analyzing and first guessing every move and potential move, and getting most, if not all, of them right. I strongly prefer that to the Monday Morning QBing after a decision goes wrong.

bmfc1 Jun 16 2022 08:46 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Buck: "do you want Yellich"? Diaz: "sit down Buck! SIT DOWN Yellich!" That was great. The IFers didn't even get to the mound by the time Buck left.

nymr83 Jun 16 2022 08:48 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Edgy MD wrote: So that's sure one way to end it. Putting everything on Nido's tagging skills wouldn't have been my first choice, but WOW. Hard to be scraping by like this while the Phils and Braves are destroying opponents every night, but here we are. We need some benchies. Is Lou Collier available? No, but his son might be in a month.

roger_that Jun 16 2022 08:49 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

I'll take it.

Edgy MD Jun 16 2022 09:16 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Buck: "do you want Yellich"? Diaz: "sit down Buck! SIT DOWN Yellich!" That was great. The IFers didn't even get to the mound by the time Buck left. "Do you want Yellich?" "I want it ALL, Buck! And I want it NOW!!!"

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 16 2022 09:47 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Buck: "do you want Yellich"? Diaz: "sit down Buck! SIT DOWN Yellich!" That was great. The IFers didn't even get to the mound by the time Buck left. An iconic moment, even. It was awesome

roger_that Jun 17 2022 05:03 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

What a bonehead move, sending the runner home with only one out. Total gift.

Fman99 Jun 17 2022 05:20 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

=roger_that post_id=96281 time=1655463809 user_id=128] What a bonehead move, sending the runner home with only one out. Total gift.

The second gift in short succession. The bad footwork on the play where Marte scored, even with the late break, and prevented a throw home and a play to try and get him, was a freebie also

bmfc1 Jun 17 2022 05:37 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

I took screencaps from the mlb.tv archive of the game and I overstated the timing of Buck's departure but not by much.

roger_that Jun 17 2022 06:27 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

=Fman99 post_id=96282 time=1655464835 user_id=86] =roger_that post_id=96281 time=1655463809 user_id=128] What a bonehead move, sending the runner home with only one out. Total gift.

The second gift in short succession. The bad footwork on the play where Marte scored, even with the late break, and prevented a throw home and a play to try and get him, was a freebie also


I really didn't understand that play. They were playing the infield in, they got a groundball and caught it, Marte didn't break for home, but still he scored. How did that happen?

Edgy MD Jun 17 2022 06:41 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Did you not see it?

Fman99 Jun 17 2022 06:47 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

For some reason Marte did not break on contact. The infield was in and the first baseman did catch the grounder. Marte waited for him to throw to second to break for home. The throw was not great and the shortstop, in attempting to ensure he forced the runner, had to do a bit of a shuffle step just to step on 2nd and force Guillorme. While that was all happening, Marte scored uncontested. It was all very clunky, on both sides.

Frayed Knot Jun 17 2022 07:05 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

The fact that the infield was in caused the sloppy throw and footwork since the IF'ers were set-up for, and only anticipated, a throw home if the ball came to them. I think (1B) Tellez simply assumed Marte had broken for home and instantly decided he had no shot at him so went for the GiDP as his only hope. But the DP wasn't going to happen as he's now throwing to a back-pedaling (and somewhat late-arriving) SS because of course he was playing in too. Marte obviously should have broken on contact (I can't believe Buck sent him out there to do anything else) but at least he read the play correctly as it unfolded.

Edgy MD Jun 17 2022 07:26 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Brewers shortstop Willy Adames, who had a kinda rough game, was sort of caught in no-man's land. He was already cheating in, and took a step or two in when the ball was hit. I don't know if he suddenly realized that his job was to cover second, or he only figured that out after Tellez turned toward him, but he was taking an un-natural path to the bag, and he and Tellez connected really poorly. A perfect approach and a perfect throw might have made the double-play possible, but with the infield in, that was going to be a tough one to pull off even if everybody does their job perfectly. I'm trying to figure out if there was any gamesmanship in Marte's strategy — trying to draw a throw behind him at third, or at least make Tellez think of that. It's a time-honored baseball tradition that, when you see a drafthorse like Tellez out there, you want to make him make plays. Ask the 2015 Royals.

Frayed Knot Jun 17 2022 08:05 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

The other odd note about the 8th inning play was Nido immediately going over to check on Renfroe and help him up. At the risk of yapping about 'back in my day when men were men' type of bullshit, that was the last thing I wanted to see after that play with a man on 3rd and an out still to get. He took a mitt to the face ... Big Fuckin' Deal. Send him some flowers after the game if it makes you feel better. I remember back when Francouer was here and he slid, somewhat hard, into an opposing catcher (don't even remember whether he was out or safe) and then immediately bounced up to check if he was alright. Gary virtually exploded at seeing this saying that the catcher's condition should be none of Frenchie's concern. Fast forward a decade or more to this similar, if reversed, play last night, and none of the three in the booth said a word, either not seeing it or becoming so used to it that they took no notice.

Edgy MD Jun 17 2022 08:48 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

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roger_that Jun 17 2022 09:01 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Edgy MD wrote: Did you not see it? A few times. But it still didn't make much sense to me. If Marte did not take off when the ball first bounced, wouldn't it have been relatively easy to throw him out at almost any point? He couldn't have known that the shortstop would get his feet all tangled up. Normally, that would be a straightforward play, SS to C. Did Marte screw up and get away with it? Or was that planned somehow?

Edgy MD Jun 17 2022 09:30 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

As the booth tried to suggest, the typical play there would be to break for home, and if you're out, you're out. At least you (a) keep your team out of a double-play, still giving them a chance with two on, (b) force the firstbaseman, usually the worst thrower on the team, to make a throw, and (c) force a tag play, which is never automatic. That said, whatever Marte was thinking, it worked. I'm wondering if he thought that — among the (a) infield being positioned in, (b) the firstbaseman being forced to start the play, (c) his dancing off third enough to make the the firstbaseman pause a beat, and (d) Plummer's wheels, from the left side — the double play was an unlikely outcome, and not breaking was simply the sMARTEr play.

MFS62 Jun 17 2022 09:45 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Happened to see a discussion on a Strat page this week that mentioned that Marte has the highest possible "card" rating(whatever that is) for baserunning in their 16 team league. Starling Marte, NYM: rh, 33, 514 ab, AA steal, cf-2(-2)e4, 85.2/100.2; was the last guy passed over, best baserunner in the deck Whatever he thought about on that play, Strat feels he's the one to know how to achieve the best outcome. Can any strat players here confirm that? Later

Frayed Knot Jun 17 2022 10:28 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

That 'Strat Page' (whatever that is) is using a lot of words to tell you that Marte is fast, something we kinda already knew that and (don't want to speculate too much here) is likely the reason he was pinch-running. The question at hand is his instructions and/or thought process at the time.

Edgy MD Jun 17 2022 11:33 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

There are AAA stealers too (Raines, Henderson). A AA stealer is a guy that can win a basestealing title. A AAA basestealer is an all-time great, best of his era. There's usually, therefore, typically only one in the deck at a time, even if it's a guy like Billy Hamilton who doesn't have much else in his offensive satchel. A 2 on defense in centerfield is a good flycatcher, and exists on a 1/2/3/4 spectrum. a -2 is a solid arm, but that comes on a much wider spectrum, going on a -5/-4/-3/-2/-1/0/+1/+2/+3/+4/+5 spectrum. Jesse Barfield was a +5. Dave Winfield and Ellis Valentine too, and I imagine Yoenis Céspedes when he was at the top of his game. I never had a -5 on my team, but I had an outfield of three -4's in Corey Snider, Kirby Puckett, and Glenn Wilson. George Bell was usually my starting leftfielder, but I'd call him in to play third (or lift him entirely) and send Snider out there when a sacrifice fly could make the difference. What you're not showing, however, is his actual baserunner rating, which should exist apart from his stealing rating. The top baserunner in the league usually has about a 1–18 rating, which means that, when he has a chance to go for an extra base, he's going to get it about 90% of the time, assuming a 0-armed outfielder is throwing.

MFS62 Jun 17 2022 11:42 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

That was all they posted. Everyone's thought process is different. My take on it is that a very good baserunner has the ability to take in the situation (such as where the ball is hit, placement of the defenders, ability of the defenders, etc.) and can process that information is a very short period of time to determine whether he should run. We can't know what, and the speed with which, it went through his mind that resulted in his decision. (We can only guess.) We can just see the result. Later

batmagadanleadoff Jun 17 2022 11:46 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Happened to see a discussion on a Strat page this week that mentioned that Marte has the highest possible "card" rating(whatever that is) for baserunning in their 16 team league. Starling Marte, NYM: rh, 33, 514 ab, AA steal, cf-2(-2)e4, 85.2/100.2; was the last guy passed over, best baserunner in the deck Whatever he thought about on that play, Strat feels he's the one to know how to achieve the best outcome. Can any strat players here confirm that? Later I haven't played in many years, decades really, and SOM is always adding new features to the game. The "AA" designation is a base stealing rank, which in SOM, is separate from baserunning. I have no idea what that "85.2/100/2" is, but it might be connected to Marte's SOM baserunning. I've never seen SOM numbers or rankings in that format. That's definitelty a new feature that didn't exist when I played. There was a baserunning rank when I played, but it was in this format: 1-x, where x is a number less than 20 and as far as I can remember, never higher than 17. 1-17 was the highest ranked baserunning designation.

Fman99 Jun 17 2022 12:27 PM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

Edgy MD wrote: assuming a 0-armed outfielder is throwing. Neat trick

Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2022 07:21 AM Re: IGT 06/16 - Brewers at Mets - Win One For Marie!

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