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1969!!!!!!
roger_that Jun 28 2022 07:05 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 28 2022 09:25 AM |
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2022 07:15 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 28 2022 07:28 AM |
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whippoorwill Jun 28 2022 07:22 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Fman99 Jun 28 2022 07:28 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2022 07:32 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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kcmets Jun 28 2022 07:52 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
=batmagadanleadoff post_id=97577 time=1656422109 user_id=68]You counted every thread, almost 2,000 of them? (No comment, thread. Make your own assumptions. ) |
whippoorwill Jun 28 2022 07:54 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2022 08:10 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jun 28 2022 08:24 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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kcmets Jun 28 2022 08:26 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 28 2022 08:43 AM |
Does anyone have this book?
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Willets Point Jun 28 2022 08:32 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2022 08:33 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 28 2022 08:34 AM |
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Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 08:34 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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seawolf17 Jun 28 2022 08:39 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Knew I'd seen this somewhere, but I found the citation. DiLauro didn't appear in the playoff games vs. Atlanta, nor the World Series vs. the Orioles. Not because he was in the doghouse. The Mets starters mostly dominated, so he wasn't needed in relief. "If I'd have pitched, that would have meant we were in trouble; and we never really were," he explained. DiLauro was in the bullpen when Jones, the Mets' leftfielder caught a fly ball off the bat of Dave Johnson to end Game 5 of the World Series. Jones famously went down on one knee to celebrate the title. Shea Stadium erupted. Fans stormed the field. DiLauro and the pitchers headed to the clubhouse. That fall, he and other players made personal appearances throughout the New York area.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2022 08:40 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 28 2022 10:45 AM |
The 1969 Mets are one the most beloved teams in baseball history. Still are even though it's likely that the majority of fans who saw this squad play in real time, live, are no longer with us.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2022 08:42 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jun 28 2022 09:18 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Thank you. Close enough for me to feel confident that I'll pass my own test for mental acuity, though it is kind of amazin' that solid official evidence is so hard to come by, isn't it? As to Jones' and Agee's hometown, there's some interesting history there--the last slave ship from Africa landed there, or near there, and there's an entire Africa-town community there that Jones, I believe, contributes to. I'll see if I can find the story on my hard drive somewhere.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2022 09:23 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
I collected the 1970 Topps set when I was a kid and had many doubles of Met Bobby Pfeil's Mets card pictured below. Pfeil's baseball card photo had to have been taken in 1969 because that was his lone season with the Mets. To this day, I'm still very familiar with Pfeil's card, his only Topps Mets card, because I had many copies of it and because Pfeil's card came out in the 1st series, and so I would have looked at it, held it, handled it and played with it more than with other cards from that set that were released later in the calendar year.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2022 09:30 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
=roger_that post_id=97605 time=1656429502 user_id=128] it is kind of amazin' that solid official evidence [of Dilauro's post-season eligibility] is so hard to come by, isn't it? |
Edgy MD Jun 28 2022 09:37 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
To judge by appearances, the special seating erected behind Cleon was reserved for service members, including what appear to be a group of young wounded vets returned from the field.
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whippoorwill Jun 28 2022 09:40 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2022 09:47 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jun 28 2022 09:48 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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whippoorwill Jun 28 2022 10:17 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 28 2022 10:22 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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I have a copy on the shelf right behind me. Some shitty writers contributed to that one
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Frayed Knot Jun 29 2022 08:16 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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We heard that Jim was a the type to hang around the Post Office and catch up on the gossip kind of guy when back in his home town. But he wasn't there when we dropped by
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whippoorwill Jun 29 2022 08:18 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Edgy MD Jun 29 2022 08:42 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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whippoorwill Jun 29 2022 08:53 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 29 2022 08:58 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
[BLOCKQUOTE]So me and my fellow Mets fan friends (not that there were many Yankees fans my age in NYC in 1970) never got to see Pfeil live and in real time in a Mets uni in 1970. Eventually, an urban legend began to spread in my neighborhood and at the school I attended that the reason Pfeil was no longer on the Mets was that during the wild 1969 World Series celebration, some fan stole Pfeil's batting helmet and so the Mets, suddenly unable to properly clothe Pfeil, were forced to trade him, an absurd tale, but maybe one that a grade schooler might fall for. Anybody else ever heard this tale?[/BLOCKQUOTE] No-- but this is great story
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roger_that Jun 30 2022 01:31 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 30 2022 02:07 PM |
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Edgy MD Jun 30 2022 01:40 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jun 30 2022 02:22 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 30 2022 02:52 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jun 30 2022 04:29 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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That was Bob Scheffing. But sabr's bio on Amos Otis screws up a lot of details
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Edgy MD Jun 30 2022 04:38 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
For what it's worth, the online versions of my SABR bios on Ed Charles and Donn Clendennon are very badly edited — or simply not edited at all. Embarrassingly so. The versions in the book are mostly tight, fact-checked, and well formatted, but I've never successfully gotten them swapped into place for the online versions. I don't know if the editor turned in the early versions to SABR based on a tight deadline or by accident, but maybe the same thing happened to the author of the Otis bio, Bill Lamberty.
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roger_that Jun 30 2022 05:58 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jun 30 2022 06:19 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Yeah, they're pretty messed up. A few years ago, I wondered why they hadn't fixed a pretty fixable generic problem--that of rendering pitchers' innings in 1/3 or 2/3rds form. In other words, you read things like "Job Loew pitched 173? innings in 1932" the question mark being a placeholder for a partial inning. The answer I got from the chief executive in charge of editing sabr bios was "Stop asking us questions, we're doing just fine here, no thanks to you" roughly translated. When I suggested that it would be simpler, and less confusing, if they'd just dropped the question mark and round off the number of innings, I got a less polite response, so I gave up on offering suggestions. It's still going on, btw. I don't know how many innings is ? innings.
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Ceetar Jun 30 2022 06:58 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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kcmets Jun 30 2022 07:58 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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That's nutty. I have pretty good communication with the national SABR office. I can probably help with this, or at least get an explanation as to why they won't change it. I mean, it's a SABR book right? Why have online bios different than in a published book? Nutty, wait already said that...
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Edgy MD Jun 30 2022 08:02 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Edgy MD Jun 30 2022 08:05 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
Here we go:
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kcmets Jun 30 2022 08:10 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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I can do that. Email the files.
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Edgy MD Jun 30 2022 08:14 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jul 01 2022 05:41 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Wait--is that Jim McA himself? On the left I presume? Or two randos photobombing McA's hometown PO? Is there a story here? Do tell.
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Edgy MD Jul 01 2022 05:57 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 01 2022 05:59 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jul 01 2022 06:17 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Edgy MD Jul 01 2022 07:04 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Frayed Knot Jul 01 2022 09:22 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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kcmets Jul 01 2022 09:35 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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I didn't get this earlier this morning. Gotta click on the instagram link...
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roger_that Jul 01 2022 10:03 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Please tell me you don't think the guy on the left looks like he's nearly 80 y/o |
Edgy MD Jul 01 2022 11:16 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Frayed Knot Jul 01 2022 11:29 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Frayed Knot Jul 01 2022 11:33 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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AFAIK, yes.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 01 2022 11:35 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Great history, there. As usual. One of the biggest hits the Mets absorbed from all of this was the eventual defection of Whitey Herzog, who harbored many resentments towards the Mets organization over what Herzog rightfully perceived as a lack of recognition of his accomplishments. Herzog was instrumental in developing the Mets awesome stable of young talent during the second half of the 60s, that was key to the Mets claiming the WS title in '69. Herzog was regarded as a baseball genius by many in the Mets org. Which he was, of course. The last straw for Herzog was getting skipped over for the managerial position that opened up after Gil Hodges's untimely death. Herzog, as we all know, would go on to not only manage, but build and develop powerhouse teams with two different franchises -- the two teams that call Missouri their home. My favorite Herzog story involves the Mets hunting down an MIA Herzog, who was on a fishing winter vacation at some remote location in the middle of nowhere. I think that Herzog was needed so that the Mets could finalize their trade for Jim Fregosi. Herzog immediately flew into a mini-rage after learning that the Mets had traded Leroy Stanton, a young outfielder recognized by many in the organization as having enormous potential. Herzog didn't think that Fregosi was the solution to the Mets third base problem and certainly wouldn't have given up Stanton for Fregosi. Herzog had yet to find out that Nolan Ryan, of whom Herzog also thought highly of, was also included in the trade. The saying went that the main purpose of Mets GM's during that post '69 era was not necesarily to acquire good baseball talent, but to ensure that their players weren't paid as much as they ought to have been paid. Who knows what the Mets post '69 future might have been if Herzog and not Yogi was named Mets manage and Herzog was also given an important say in Mets development. But that'll be for another thread, some day. I'm so happy that you "passed the audition". The Bob Scheffing audition. I'm so happy that he's now satisfied that you've heard of Scheffing. You must be happy, too, or at least relieved. Having had the pleasure of reading your thoroughly knowledgeable Mets posts over a span of close to 20 years, I couldn't imagine ever asking you or even suggesting that you hadn't heard of Scheffing. And if I'd only joined up here 15 minutes ago, I'd know my place to keep quiet and to not suggest that you were ignorant of Scheffing. It's basic common etiquette. It's how reasonable people behave. At least you got an apology (again). At least he didn't then double down and advance the absurd point that him naming Scheffing first means that you'd never heard of Scheffing. Or that you then faked it and looked up Scheffing only in response to his post to then save face.
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Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 01 2022 12:11 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Edgy MD Jul 01 2022 01:23 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Fman99 Jul 01 2022 01:36 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 01 2022 02:50 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Edgy MD Jul 01 2022 04:15 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
Also a high-achieving motorsports enthusiast.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 01 2022 11:23 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Wow! Is that the back cover of the Whitey Herzog book? If so, I think I'm gonna buy that one. That pic of Casey on the motorbike, alone, is worth the price of the book.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 02 2022 01:40 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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You know, Herzog had a big hand in both of the Mets World Series titles. He was instrumental in scouting and developing the young talent that would be key to their first championship in 1969. And then, some 15 years later, he practically singlehandedly traded --no -- traded isn't the right word here-- Herzog gifted Keith Hernandez to the Mets. Gifted. In a fancy box with giftwrapping.
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roger_that Jul 02 2022 01:34 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 02 2022 02:21 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
More Waco! Murph loved to point out that Pat Zachry was from Waco, too. |
Edgy MD Jul 02 2022 03:28 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jul 03 2022 07:42 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Now I do. Quite a good book, so far, with several stories I hadn't seen before, covering some players I haven't thought about in a long time. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I stopped buying Mets books around the last time I moved, and pared down my baseball library, but this was available electronically (for free, as a sabr member, which was basically worth the annual dues alone--it's really a great bargain) and doesn't take up any shelf space, which is good because I don't have any. The chapters seem especially well-researched and carefully written, unlike some other Mets books I own.
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roger_that Jul 03 2022 08:26 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jul 03 2022 09:11 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jul 03 2022 01:12 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jul 03 2022 02:44 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 03 2022 04:18 PM |
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 03 2022 03:11 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Edgy MD Jul 03 2022 03:25 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 03 2022 03:38 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 03 2022 04:11 PM |
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The voters were way more often, wrong than right when awarding the baseball hardware back then. And when the voters got it right, it was either because the award winner had a thoroughly dominant season, leading in virtually all of the important statistical categories - or because the voters, from sheer luck, blundered into the right answer. And to tie all of this into the theme of this thread, Tom Seaver didn't deserve his 1969 Cy Young award. He wasn't better than Bob Gibson that season. But Seaver led the NL in Wins, and Wins meant everything to the voters back then. A pitcher who led his league in Wins was probably the favorite to win the CYA back then. And if that pitcher also happened to pitch for a first place team, like Seaver did, he was a virtual lock for the award. Plus, Seaver had the better back story, the leader, not just on the field but spiritually as well, of the team that captured the imagination of the whole wide world with their fairy-tale climb to the top of the baseball world. Gibson should have won the CYA in three straight seasons. But instead, Seaver was awarded the 1969 CYA, essentially because in that season, Seaver's teammates played better than Gibson's teammates. But decide for yourselves. Click on the link and expand the leaderboards.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 03 2022 03:41 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Yes. And I'm happy to report your error free post. Although, if you were writing about the errors a catcher makes on the field, It would be: "Catching errors are important."
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Frayed Knot Jul 03 2022 07:10 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Hamilton's NYC tenure was both earlier and briefer than McAndrew's so I don't remember the Morning Sun mentions the way I did Lost Nation, hence that town not being on the sight-seeing itinerary.
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roger_that Jul 04 2022 08:11 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Edgy MD Jul 04 2022 08:50 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 04 2022 10:56 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Here are your ghost Mets, which I am rattling off from memory. I got stuck for a while on Anderson Garcia. He's always the last one to come to mind. It took me about 45 seconds to come up with his name after I recalled all of the others. If you want some documentation -- because you know, memories fade -- you can ask Brian Ostrosser. The last time Ostrosser came over to my house for dinner, I gave him a notarized affirmation, sworn to under oath and under the penalties of perjury, listing and documenting the Mets ghosts. They are: Terrel Hansen, Jim Bibby, , Al Reyes, Ruddy Lugo, Jerry (or is it Gerry? or both?) Moses, Randy Bobb, Billy Cotton, Mac Suzuki and the aforementioned Anderson Garcia.
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Edgy MD Jul 04 2022 11:00 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 04 2022 11:10 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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He was already mentioned.
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roger_that Jul 06 2022 05:18 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jul 15 2022 01:11 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Came across this article on FB about 1962 roster moves, which mentions Kranepool's getting called up from Syracuse in July (he didn't, ultimately) and I'm wondering if anyone knows how (other than reading old newspapers) you might learn which players got sent down to, or called up from, or released, or signed, or traded, put on the DL, or whatever. Does this data exist anywhere?
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MFS62 Jul 15 2022 01:38 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jul 15 2022 02:47 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Fman99 Jul 15 2022 08:56 PM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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MFS62 Jul 16 2022 07:04 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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ashie62 Jul 16 2022 07:12 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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roger_that Jul 16 2022 07:19 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Obviously, not "all." Sounds like they probably have these annuals at the library in Cooperstown.
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MFS62 Jul 16 2022 07:30 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Read the complete sentence, "all of the information I was keeping them for". I was trying to help. Later
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roger_that Jul 16 2022 07:33 AM Re: 1969!!!!!! |
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Fair enough.
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