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Frayed Knot Jul 02 2022 12:34 PM

JdG to make a rehab start for PSL on Sunday Probably won't be long, definitely will be over-analyzed, but it does start his clock (20 days?) towards a real life MLB start.

Fman99 Jul 02 2022 06:15 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Scherzer & deGrom combined rehab starts in AAA Syracuse = 0

Frayed Knot Jul 02 2022 07:37 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

=Fman99 post_id=98043 time=1656807327 user_id=86] Scherzer & deGrom combined rehab starts in AAA Syracuse = 0

Well, so far.

JdG is going to make several rehabs as he ramps back up from a full year our of action. Right now the club is handling both aces with a nod towards how their future starts will synch up with the ASB, Scherzer straddling it and JdG after it, so the how and when of their rehab starts will work off that rather than the when and how's of exactly where those starts will be.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2022 08:23 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Well, he had his spring training action, but yeah.

Gwreck Jul 03 2022 06:15 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Buster Olney: “There is a perception in some corners of the industry that if Jacob deGrom follows through with what he said in the spring and opts out of his Mets' contract, the Braves will be the favorites to land him.” https://twitter.com/buster_espn/status/1543331522887012356?s=21&t=sMZBX27LKjjdYZKhMlY7ew

Ceetar Jul 03 2022 06:49 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

I blocked buster for a reason. just flat out clickbait trash.

Gwreck Jul 03 2022 08:12 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

I'm not sure I understand that comment, in part because (1) there was no a link to a story (and hence it by definition is not “clickbait”) and (2) isn't the easier move to just not follow him? Anyway, Olney's a fine reporter and writer and all, but I do agree it's a seemingly out-of-nowhere comment. I suppose we'll find out in the offseason. I am certain that deGrom will opt-out, and am reasonably certain the Mets aren't likely to be outbid. But definitely there is nothing preventing him from going to Atlanta if he wants to.

Edgy MD Jul 03 2022 08:33 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Blockbuster.

Frayed Knot Jul 11 2022 07:31 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Thursday in Syracuse.

G-Fafif Jul 19 2022 06:46 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1549548517928173574[/tweet]

Edgy MD Jul 19 2022 07:03 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

[BIGPURPLE]💩💩💩💩!!!![/BIGPURPLE]

Frayed Knot Jul 19 2022 07:15 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Due to an abundance of caution, Jacob deGrom will miss the remainder of the 2020's.

kcmets Jul 19 2022 07:56 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

He wants to be a Yankee. Pitching this year may endanger that.

duan Jul 20 2022 03:56 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

=kcmets post_id=100348 time=1658282162 user_id=53] He wants to be a Yankee. Pitching this year may endanger that.

In all seriousness - if he didn't pitch for rest of season what kind of contract would he get?

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 20 2022 05:54 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Who knows. One of the things Ive adjusted to as a fan, over the years is the idea that when athletes get hurt, especially pitchers, anticipation of when or if they ever come back is such a waste of energy, and that it's just better to imagine that they have been traded away or died. I was reminded of this the other day when Wayne on the broadcast said ".. and Trevor May is expected back soon.." and it occurred to me I'd nearly forgotten we ever even had him. It's also why I've been keeping up the Luis Castillo Watch.

Lefty Specialist Jul 20 2022 05:59 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Still don't think he'll throw a pitch in the major leagues this season.

duan Jul 20 2022 08:19 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Lefty Specialist wrote: Still don't think he'll throw a pitch in the major leagues this season. So if he doesn't ... does he still opt out? what contract will he get ? You'd have to think Stephen Strasberg feels like a recent comp and that hasn't gone very well...

seawolf17 Jul 20 2022 08:30 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

If he doesn't pitch at all again this year, he'd get a Thor deal - one year, $20M, and then see what happens.

Fman99 Jul 20 2022 08:31 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

He's fine, you guys. Stop being panicky Petes

Ceetar Jul 20 2022 08:38 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

If he doesn't pitch at all again this year, he'd get a Thor deal - one year, $20M, and then see what happens. will the Mets GM get himself fired and the Mets will take the month off and he'll walk then or.. but he won't opt out if he doesn't pitch. also I'm not worried about "soreness" after dialing back up, but it's hard to know if that's the truth of it, because the Mets don't release information and we don't have any reporters that are more than aggregators. They could've just held the news and had him pitch on friday or whenever. And leaking it DURING the ASG is odd timing.

kcmets Jul 20 2022 08:40 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

If he doesn't pitch at all again this year, he'd get a Thor deal - one year, $20M, and then see what happens. And then Cohen will step in and, "wait, don't go... here's $25 mil ya big lug..."

Edgy MD Jul 20 2022 09:04 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

He'll pitch.

seawolf17 Jul 20 2022 09:08 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

I agree that I think he'll be back, but *if* not... oh, wait. He's guaranteed $30.5M next year. If he doesn't pitch in 2022, I'd be really surprised to see him opt out, because nobody's giving him that much in a long term deal at 34. He can either pitch 23 and 24 for $60M+, or take $20M in a make-good for 2023 in Arizona or some godforsaken place? No way.

kcmets Jul 20 2022 09:09 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

I forgot about the $30.5 mil thing.

kcmets Jul 20 2022 09:10 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

This is why no one will hire me to be their agent.

seawolf17 Jul 20 2022 11:12 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

I forgot about that too. If it was in the $20M range, then maybe, or if he was Thor's age, then maybe. But dude turns 35 in the middle of next season. Coming off two injury seasons, nobody's paying him $65M for the next two except us.

duan Jul 20 2022 11:15 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Edgy MD wrote: He'll pitch. I think and hope so too... I still do wonder about the contract only on the basis that I'm interested... I know let the season play out first ....

Edgy MD Jul 20 2022 11:17 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

I just think that, like Syndergaard 2021, he's got to at least put the merchandise on display for a couple of innings in order to open up the floor for bidding. I'm certainly hopeful for more than that.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 20 2022 11:31 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

I have no idea what deGrom's thinking. Maybe he simply wants to make as much money as he possibly can. Maybe he's a country boy at heart and deep down, prefers not to play in a city as enormous as NYC. Maybe he'd prefer to play closer to home. Not that the Marlins could afford deGrom. But maybe the Rays? Or, shudder, the Braves? I have no idea. I'm just spitballin' a little bit.

ashie62 Jul 20 2022 01:05 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Lefty Specialist wrote: Still don't think he'll throw a pitch in the major leagues this season. I'm with you.

nymr83 Jul 20 2022 06:32 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

=kcmets post_id=100392 time=1658329808 user_id=53] This is why no one will hire me to be their agent.

The Wilpons gave us Bobby Bonilla day, the day we annually remember that he fleeced them (and good for him!) and was higher paid in retirement than the guys the Mets should have signed but didnt.



Cohen can give us deGrom Day, the day we annually remmeber that Cohen paid him almost a hundred million dollars to never throw a pitch... And then laughed abiut it and paid a hundred million more to the next guy.

Edgy MD Jul 20 2022 08:14 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Lefty Specialist wrote: Still don't think he'll throw a pitch in the major leagues this season. I'm with you. People needs to get their CraneBucks on the table.

kcmets Jul 20 2022 08:26 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Sounds poll-worthy. I'm too lazy but would vote...

Ceetar Jul 20 2022 08:41 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

=nymr83 post_id=100466 time=1658363569 user_id=54] =kcmets post_id=100392 time=1658329808 user_id=53] This is why no one will hire me to be their agent.

The Wilpons gave us Bobby Bonilla day, the day we annually remember that he fleeced them (and good for him!) and was higher paid in retirement than the guys the Mets should have signed but didnt.



Cohen can give us deGrom Day, the day we annually remmeber that Cohen paid him almost a hundred million dollars to never throw a pitch... And then laughed abiut it and paid a hundred million more to the next guy.


we go through this every year and it's still not true.

G-Fafif Jul 21 2022 07:07 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Update from Newsday. [tweet]https://twitter.com/timbhealey/status/1550283172189028358[/tweet]

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 21 2022 11:09 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

He still may as well not exist, till he's on the mound and pitching in a real game that counts. And even then, after continuing to get hurt, suddenly and mysteriously, for 2 years or more, who will ever trust that if that day comes, that it lasts? Cuz me, I just don't anymore. But my opinion means shit, of course. It's what the organization makes of it. And I believe they too need to pretend that deGrom is no longer a relevant member of its plans, just a sort of a lottery ticket in a drawer somewhere and they don't recall when the numbers get drawn. And act like that is the case, whether they say it or not.

duan Jul 22 2022 05:44 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

yeah - I think you're right in that you don't expect him to be a big contributor but hey if he rocks through the last 10 starts and into the playoffs you've got the best 1/2 punch going. Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: He still may as well not exist, till he's on the mound and pitching in a real game that counts. And even then, after continuing to get hurt, suddenly and mysteriously, for 2 years or more, who will ever trust that if that day comes, that it lasts? Cuz me, I just don't anymore. But my opinion means shit, of course. It's what the organization makes of it. And I believe they too need to pretend that deGrom is no longer a relevant member of its plans, just a sort of a lottery ticket in a drawer somewhere and they don't recall when the numbers get drawn. And act like that is the case, whether they say it or not.

whippoorwill Jul 22 2022 06:21 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

I'm with Johnny too. I'm over him

Ceetar Jul 22 2022 06:31 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

true of literally every pitcher though.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 22 2022 01:10 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

=Ceetar post_id=100571 time=1658493099 user_id=102] true of literally every pitcher though.

Yes, exactly. That's why I forgot May was on the team. It's just with deGrom, you feel how powerless you are as a fan, and then , this last setback, it's like for me he crossed another invisible line and now resides in a separate category of guys who you should not only forget cuz they're not here but guys who you should forget, who also, may never be reliable again.

Ceetar Jul 22 2022 01:35 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

it's just that with deGrom the "upside" is so great so it makes you want to not look too hard. Kind of like looking at the weather before a regular season softball game and looking at the weather before a week-long beach trip. One's gonna bum you out a little more if things don't go your way.

G-Fafif Jul 22 2022 03:32 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/timbhealey/status/1550574559841099776[/tweet] We're with ya, Jake! Somebody had to say it.

The Hot Corner Jul 22 2022 07:33 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

I believe DeGrom will make it back to the Mets rotation this season. I expect he will be dominant upon his return. I expect his return will be rather short (2-4 outings) before he is once more shut down due to injury. I had a friend, who is a Mets fan (few of them around here) that at the start of spring training told me the Mets should trade DeGrom while his value was high. I told him he was crazy. The Mets couldn't trade DeGrom now that he had recovered from his injury and was pitching well in the early spring. My friends counter was that DeGrom may be an elite talent, but he was totally unreliable. He predicted the Mets would hold onto DeGrom and he would assuredly (in his opinion) break down and again miss most of the season. I believe I was the crazy, misguided participant of of spring conversation.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2022 09:08 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Well, deGrom has a no-trade clause built into his contract, and even assuming that he'd wave that, any team acquiring him would have to pay the same $32.5 million for the same level of injury risk. You weren't crazy. For all we know, the Mets did discretely make some overtures, and came up empty.

whippoorwill Jul 23 2022 07:52 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

The sad part is that deGrom seemed so healthy for so long, when all those other pitchers went by the wayside.

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2022 04:59 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

JdG to pitch in a day game on Wednesday in Syracuse for his ?final? rehab start.

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2022 05:18 AM Re: deGrominating forward ... Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 26 2022 05:24 AM

=whippoorwill post_id=100683 time=1658584371 user_id=79] The sad part is that deGrom seemed so healthy for so long, when all those other pitchers went by the wayside.

Yeah, it's really just been the most recent 12 months that he's been unavailable. He made 22 starts during his call-up

year of 2015 which was essentially a full load as the season was 1/4 of the way in when he joined it.

After that:

2016 = 30

2017 = 24

2018 = 31

2019 = 32

2020 (shortened season) = 12

2021 = 15 (right at the halfway point)



Mainly what he avoided was the dreaded TJ surgery (he got his in the low minors). But if you're figuring on 30 starts/year

as a full load, he took the ball over 95% of the time ... until last July and now he hasn't pitched since.

And even with that lengthy absence he's still made about 83% of his ideal number of starts since being promoted.



Contrast that to Harvey, Wheeler, and Syndergaard who all missed more than 1/3 of the starts they could have potentially

made while under NYM control.

Harvey: 104 starts out of an estimated potential of 168, including an entire season missed in 2014

Wheeler: 127 of 197, two full seasons skipped (2015 - 16) plus nearly half of '17

Syndergaard: 118 of 185, two full seasons skipped ('20 - '21) save for two token appearances at the tail end of last year, and only 7 starts in 2017

batmagadanleadoff Jul 26 2022 05:23 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Frayed Knot wrote: Syndergaard: 118 of 185, two full seasons skipped ('20 - '21) save for two token appearances at the tail end of last year. Syndergaard's not the same intimidating pitcher he was during his peak Mets year anymore. He's got a pedestrian fastball and he's now regarded as a back of the rotation starter.

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2022 06:01 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

I think "back of the rotation" is a bit harsh for a guy with a better than lg-avg ERA. His K-rate is down and his ERA up about a half R/G as compared to his NYM years, but his WHIP and other peripherals [hits, BBs, HRs] are in the same neighborhood. Plus it's also just a half-season following two complete missed ones and, at not yet 30 y/o (late August), there's still lots of time to see what he'll be going forward. Not that I was talking about any of that though. The only point here is that he, like Wheeler & Harvey, missed around 35% of their potential starts as Mets while deGrom, who is now frequently referred to as "fragile", was anything but that until this time last year. If tomorrow truly is his final rehab start prior to recall he'll have around a dozen starts to audition for his next, and likely final, contract this winter. It's going to be an interesting trial.

whippoorwill Jul 26 2022 07:43 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Frayed Knot wrote: =whippoorwill post_id=100683 time=1658584371 user_id=79] The sad part is that deGrom seemed so healthy for so long, when all those other pitchers went by the wayside. Yeah, it's really just been the most recent 12 months that he's been unavailable. He made 22 starts during his call-up year of 2015 which was essentially a full load as the season was 1/4 of the way in when he joined it. After that: 2016 = 30 2017 = 24 2018 = 31 2019 = 32 2020 (shortened season) = 12 2021 = 15 (right at the halfway point) Mainly what he avoided was the dreaded TJ surgery (he got his in the low minors). But if you're figuring on 30 starts/year as a full load, he took the ball over 95% of the time ... until last July and now he hasn't pitched since. And even with that lengthy absence he's still made about 83% of his ideal number of starts since being promoted. Contrast that to Harvey, Wheeler, and Syndergaard who all missed more than 1/3 of the starts they could have potentially made while under NYM control. Harvey: 104 starts out of an estimated potential of 168, including an entire season missed in 2014 Wheeler: 127 of 197, two full seasons skipped (2015 - 16) plus nearly half of '17 Syndergaard: 118 of 185, two full seasons skipped ('20 - '21) save for two token appearances at the tail end of last year, and only 7 starts in 2017

You explained what I meant perfectly!

Ceetar Jul 26 2022 07:53 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

just fwiw, Jacob deGrom has the 14th most IP from 2015-2022 among 309 qualified pitchers.

MFS62 Jul 26 2022 08:50 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Lefty Specialist wrote: Still don't think he'll throw a pitch in the major leagues this season. I'm starting to think you may be right. (But hoping I'm wrong) Later

Edgy MD Jul 26 2022 10:13 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Nobody's putting money down, though.

smg58 Jul 26 2022 10:24 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

There is a better chance of his next start moving him forward than killing his season. Granted I'm not sure what to expect when he gets here, but at this point he's very likely to get here.

Edgy MD Jul 26 2022 10:46 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Frayed Knot wrote: JdG to pitch in a day game on Wednesday in Syracuse for his ?final? rehab start. So, if things go well, we're looking at Monday 8/1 in Washington for his debut, with a home debut coming during one of the Saturday 8/6 doubleheader games against the Braves for his home debut. The day game is probably the one you're tempted to go with, as he has been most dominant in the daytime, but the night game is the Jacob deGrom Strikeout Counter Bobblehead Giveaway.

MFS62 Jul 27 2022 11:24 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Rehab start today is complete: 4 IP, 2H, 4ER, 3BB, 6K, 2 HR The most important thing will be how he feels after the game (no report yet) Later

Ceetar Jul 27 2022 12:04 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

There's close to zero chance he's gonna get shutdown if his arm didn't literally fall off in that start.

G-Fafif Jul 27 2022 02:31 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1552388075501805568[/tweet]

kcmets Jul 27 2022 08:06 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Scroll blurb on ESPN says: Jacob deGrom goes 4 innings in rehab start Allows 4 ER, including 2 HR, with 3 BB and 6 K

G-Fafif Jul 29 2022 03:31 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Jake experienced leg cramps in his final rehab start. Mets call it a non-issue. Panic at will.

MFS62 Jul 29 2022 03:34 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

=G-Fafif post_id=101470 time=1659130261 user_id=55] Jake experienced leg cramps in his final rehab start. Mets [CROSSOUT]call it a non-issue. Panic at will.[/CROSSOUT] called in a surgeon for consultation.

Fixed that for ya'.

Later

whippoorwill Jul 29 2022 03:52 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Oh wonderful

kcmets Jul 29 2022 04:12 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Drink more water!

Ceetar Jul 29 2022 04:16 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

=kcmets post_id=101473 time=1659132729 user_id=53] Drink more water!

*Mountain Dew.

kcmets Jul 29 2022 04:19 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Mountain Dew has caffeine, which is a diuretic.

Ceetar Jul 29 2022 04:33 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

It's a mild diuretic, but doesn't contribute to dehydration. Too much liquid.

kcmets Jul 29 2022 05:47 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Tits for tats aside, a can of soda with a quarter cup of sugar in it is no substitute for water by any reasonable measure.

Ceetar Jul 29 2022 09:55 PM Re: deGrominating forward ...

except in deGrom's mind. *Shrug*

G-Fafif Jul 31 2022 10:34 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

It's all happening! [tweet]https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1553771353240731649[/tweet]

Edgy MD Jul 31 2022 11:32 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Third, ninth, and 10th in 2021 Cy Young voting.

whippoorwill Aug 02 2022 07:00 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Anyone else a little nervous?

G-Fafif Aug 02 2022 07:13 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Jake say he is.

Ceetar Aug 02 2022 07:21 AM Re: deGrominating forward ...

Most of the Washington Nationals too.