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Trade deadline transactions 2022

ashie62 Jul 28 2022 11:53 AM

The Yankees are on the board acquiring Andrew Benintendi for 3 class A minor league pitchers. Two of them are ranked as 19 and 21 best in the KC system. Benintendi said he will get the vaccine and travel to Toronto.

cal sharpie Jul 28 2022 12:20 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Wouldn't bother to get it while playing for the Royals. Jerk.

Willets Point Jul 28 2022 01:16 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The Yankees continue to collect former Red Sox like Hummels.

Marshmallowmilkshake Jul 28 2022 01:41 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Aaron Boone is back to calling his guys savages, and mixes in a fake news reference to boot! “It's fake news that we've got too many power hitters in the lineup, too many sluggers,” Boone told reporters Wednesday after the Yankees acquired Andrew Benintendi from the Royals. “We've got savages in the lineup, really good hitters. Benintendi is a great hitter, gets on base at a really high clip, hits from the left side that gives you some balance. … I'll be excited to write his name.”

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2022 05:42 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Boone's original "we've got savages " comment was about what I referenced in Wednesday's IGT, how if his hitters opted not to swing at a pitch then it was, by definition, not a strike and the HP Ump therefore wrong.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2022 06:04 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I didn't realize until just now that the Royals are opening a weekend series in da Bronx starting tonight. So not only did KC deal Benintendi to the Yanx, they even delivered him!

G-Fafif Jul 29 2022 08:40 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1553207880169525248[/tweet]

Edgy MD Jul 29 2022 08:45 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

And so the Luis Castillo watch seemingly reaches its conclusion. For this year, at least.

MFS62 Jul 30 2022 06:19 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

And MFY fans will calling WFAN bemoaning the fact that they didn't get the pitcher they were entitled to. Snicker. Later

seawolf17 Jul 30 2022 06:59 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Wow. Didn't see that coming, but if they're giving up three of their top five prospects for him, well, that's a price I would not want us to pay.

Willets Point Jul 30 2022 09:12 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Any top player that doesn't get traded to the Yankees, Dodgers, or a division rival is a win, imo.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2022 09:37 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

That Castillo is under team control through 2023 obviously increases the price it took to get him. Hopefully for the Mariners they'll have him for two pennant races, not just for one. SS Noelvi Marte (Mariners' No. 1 prospect): 20 y/o, high-A; SS Edwin Arroyo (No. 3) 18 y/o in Low-A; RHP Levi Stoudt (No. 5) 24 y/o, 3rd round pick 2019 out of Lehigh U, in AA; RHP Andrew Moore 28 y/o, 2nd round pick 2015 Oregon St, bits of ML action in 2017 & 2019

smg58 Jul 30 2022 11:43 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

It's the kind of price where the Mariners will very likely get enough value to justify the expense, but at the same time you're not shaking your head wondering why it didn't cost more.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2022 12:55 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The Ms are also on the longest streak of missing post-season, not just in baseball but across all four U.S. team sports (since their 116 win season in 2001). So they've got plenty of incentive to 'go for it' at a time while they're in the second tier of AL teams and while current post-season structures rewards second tier-ness. Currently they've got little shot at the AL West (-12.0 G to Houston) but are on a roll (17-6 in July), have the 4th best record in AL (behind HOU, NYY, TOR) and the 2nd best WC record although with a log jam of teams right on their heels, so no time like the present.

kcmets Jul 30 2022 01:07 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I miss that TiTTs Guy.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2022 01:56 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

[tweet]https://twitter.com/byrobertmurray/status/1553464572090060800[/tweet]

G-Fafif Aug 01 2022 12:17 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Josh Hader to the Padres. Whoa. [tweet]https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1554155827866603527[/tweet]

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2022 12:18 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Wait! The struggling to stay in 1st place Brewers are selling!?!?

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2022 12:29 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

And now the Cubs trade reliever Scott Effross, already 28 but in the midst of a very nice season and has five years of team control after this one, to the Yanx for what seems like an OK 24 y/o pitching prospect. That division seems to be going about things ass backwards.

roger_that Aug 01 2022 12:50 PM We're OUT!!!

Like Kramer conceding the contest, it looks like the Mets have dropped out of the Soto sweepstakes: [TWEET]https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1553816739451912196[/TWEET] My question is did Soto ever make sense to you? I know, Cohen has more money than Satan and God combined, and it's not your money, etc. but it seems in addition to bankrupting the farm system (which is arguably worth getting a superstar right now), he wants a contract so huge that giving him anything like the deal he turned down from the Nationals doesn't make much sense, assuming you can sign him to it. So one question is: assume you can't make a deal with him, and he goes FA. How does that work? You've in effect swapped your 3 or 4 best prospects for a few years of Soto and a top draft pick? Is that a good deal? It may be the best deal, better than signing him to a fifteen year deal. His most comparables on BBREF.com include several burnouts, due to career changing injuries: Tony Conigliaro, Orlando Cepeda, Trout, and quite a few others who did not fifteen quality seasons after age 23. Cepeda and Trout did deliver MVP seasons after age 23, but they had (have) a lot of down seasons where they delivered nothing of value too, and even the ones who put in first ballot HoF careers retired well before Soto's 15-year contract would expire. Mantle, for example. (OTOH, you've got Aaron and Frank Robinson on Soto's comparables, too.) The way to look at it if you're for acquiring him is: Yeah, he might well get hurt, blow out a knee, get HBPed into Bolivia but what you're paying a fortune for is the great years before that happens and the chance that it never happens. Everything beyond the next few years is gravy. And I suppose that universal DH makes the prospect of injury that much less severe. So how you feel about dropping out of the Soto contest? Relieved or disappointed?

Ceetar Aug 01 2022 12:56 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I believe we were ever in the Soto 'contest' as much as I believe we've now dropped out of it, but.. if you can get Soto, you do it. fuck prospects. they all suck. Soto might be the difference between a ring and no ring in the next three postseasons.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2022 12:59 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Mike Trout has had down seasons where he has delivered nothing of value? Prospects all suck?

Benjamin Grimm Aug 01 2022 01:02 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Yes, they all suck. Not one prospect has ever become a quality major leaguer. Name one! I dare you!

Edgy MD Aug 01 2022 01:16 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Well, there's ... shit, you got me.

Fman99 Aug 01 2022 01:18 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Prospects? More like SUSPECTS AM I RIGHT HERE FELLERS

batmagadanleadoff Aug 01 2022 01:26 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I believe we were ever in the Soto 'contest' as much as I believe we've now dropped out of it, but.. That's my attitude. I never believed, for a second, that the Mets were in the running for Soto. There's the Nats reluctance to trade Soto in their division and that the Mets lack the pieces other teams have to make up for Soto staying in the East. Is Soto "worth it" anyways? I have no idea and I never will because to answer that question, I'd have to know what Cohen wants from Soto in the first place and I'd never get a 100% honest response from Cohen anyways. Maybe Cohen wants just one WS title and Soto's the best way to get it. That might not sound like much - one WS title - but titles last forever in the collective memory and are elusive -- the Mets themselves haven't won the WS in over 35 years and they play in the greatest city on the planet. With expanded playoffs and more teams participating, it's harder even for the dominant teams to win a WS because of the enormous luck and crap-shoot nature of post season baseball. The Dodgers have been baseball's indisputable best team for about 10 years now and have "just one title". The Yankees haven't won a WS since 2009 and their fans are in a tizzy because they mistakenly believe that the Yanks should be winning it every three or four years. But with expanded playoffs, I'm pretty sure that ain't happening anymore and they're definitely not ever gonna have a run anything like the one under Ol' Case no matter how many Aaron Judges and Gerrit Coles they sign. WS titles are hard and lucky and Cohen could stamp his mark on Mets history with just one title. So if that's what he was thinking, then maybe Soto would've been worth it. Would youse trade away the Mets '86 WS title for another superstar on that team -- some other player whose Mets career you could root for for many years, including all-star seasons and maybe even an MVP award, but at the expense of the Mets losing to the Astros in the '86 playoffs?

roger_that Aug 01 2022 01:40 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Edgy MD wrote: Mike Trout has had down seasons where he has delivered nothing of value? Well, no fault of his own (injuries) and "nothing of value" is a slight overstatement, but there must be a limit to the value you place on Trout's 2021, when he batted 117 times. 39 hits isn't nothing, true. but that has to count as a disappointing season by any measure.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2022 01:57 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Seeing has how it's one season, and he managed to play well (excellently) when he was on the field, I'd say "seasons" of "nothing of value" is just bad analysis.

Ceetar Aug 01 2022 02:01 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Yes, they all suck. Not one prospect has ever become a quality major leaguer. Name one! I dare you! there's a non-zero chance that EVERY SINGLE PROSPECT currently in the minor leagues won't be as good as Juan Soto. Screw "quality major leaguer" You can fill a roster with quality major leaguers and be boring and bounce out of the first round of the playoffs. OR you can have a guy who looks to be one of the best hitters to ever play the game. They don't keep talking about Ted Williams for nothing. He was right to turn down the contract from the Nationals because it was an insult. Hell, if you can convince like, Pittsburgh to make a comparable package and then promise them your guys plus another throw-in, you have them make the trade in proxy if the Nationals don't want to trade him to you. And then you get Cohen to loosen the purse strings and hand them to Soto and ask that pig Adams to reserve the canyon of heroes for late October.

smg58 Aug 01 2022 02:07 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Taylor Rogers has had a bad July for the Padres, but Hader has had a much worse July for the Brewers. And it's more likely that Rogers' stretch involved bad luck. I love this deal from the Brewers perspective. Prospects don't suck, but the chances of a package of prospects matching what a player like Soto can give you are small. I'm not convinced the Mets are voluntarily out on Soto, but I can't imagine the Nationals want Soto playing fifteen years for a division rival. They already have that with Harper.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2022 02:13 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=Ceetar post_id=101746 time=1659384062 user_id=102]there's a non-zero chance that EVERY SINGLE PROSPECT currently in the minor leagues won't be as good as Juan Soto.

Indeed, there's a non-zero chance that Juan Soto won't be as good as Juan Soto.



But real analysis asks us to do better than the belief that a non-zero chance a guy won't be as goo as Juan Soto is not the same thing as sucking.

Ceetar Aug 01 2022 02:16 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

hell, there are whole Mets drafts that won't put up as much value as Juan Soto will these next 2+ years, and that's without the added benefit of a title.

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 01 2022 02:22 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=Ceetar post_id=101746 time=1659384062 user_id=102] And then you get Cohen to loosen the purse strings and hand them to Soto and ask that pig Adams to reserve the canyon of heroes for late October.

You need to stop with this hateful rhetoric, or at least keep it out of the baseball forums.

Ceetar Aug 01 2022 02:25 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=101751 time=1659385333 user_id=119] =Ceetar post_id=101746 time=1659384062 user_id=102] And then you get Cohen to loosen the purse strings and hand them to Soto and ask that pig Adams to reserve the canyon of heroes for late October.

You need to stop with this hateful rhetoric, or at least keep it out of the baseball forums.


Sorry, racist murderers deserve hate. 'mayor' confers too much respect for scum of the earth. Maybe stop jumping in to defend the gestapo.

roger_that Aug 01 2022 02:31 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Edgy MD wrote: Seeing has how it's one season, and he managed to play well (excellently) when he was on the field, I'd say "seasons" of "nothing of value" is just bad analysis. Well, we're parsing here, but what I wrote was that "they had (have) a lot of down seasons where they delivered nothing of value," with "they" being Cepeda and Trout collectively, so yes "they" did have more than one down season in their careers after age 23. Now of course you could argue that some of these injury-plagued seasons included periods of excellence--you might even argue that Cepeda's 1965 season (.176/1/5 in 34 ABs) included some bursts of excellence if you were so inclined--but I'll stand by my analysis.

bmfc1 Aug 01 2022 02:39 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Anyway... Trey Mancini to HOU Frankie Montas and Lou Trivino (RP) to NYY.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2022 02:49 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Montas was probably the best SP after Castillo and, like Castillo, is under control through 2023. He and the reliever cost the Yanx four prospects, one a top-100 guy (#70) acc to mlb.com's current estimate.

Ceetar Aug 01 2022 02:55 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The Mets really need a reliever, if not two, though seems like Trivino is mostly a throw-in. Two years of Montas for only one top-100 guy might actually be a steal.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 01 2022 03:00 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=101751 time=1659385333 user_id=119] =Ceetar post_id=101746 time=1659384062 user_id=102] And then you get Cohen to loosen the purse strings and hand them to Soto and ask that pig Adams to reserve the canyon of heroes for late October.

You need to stop with this hateful rhetoric, or at least keep it out of the baseball forums.


Stop telling people what they can post and in which threads to post. He can hate all he wants to hate. Give me a fucking break. This has nothing to do with threads or forums because you once tried to shut down my Betsy Devis thread because we already had a politics thread. This is about your grandiose notion that you can censor or disappear inconvenient posts rather than respond. You tried to stop people from making Trump jokes too. Because he's Mother Teresa and his MAGA hats, sez you, have good thread counts. Trump is above satire and .mockery. He's a nice guy, also said you. This is about that you're always on the side of law and order even if there was video proof of some cop or mayor shooting someone 100 times without any cause and then ramming a broomstick up the dead victim's ass. You'd still take the cop's side.



When you accused me of posting your private information and I flat out destroyed that bullshit post accusation by digging out the old posts and links, your response was no response but a plea to have the mods remove my posts. Because you're allowed to wrongly accuse but I'm not allowed to defend myself.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2022 03:20 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

No, he can't hate all he wants to hate.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 01 2022 03:22 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Edgy MD wrote: No, he can't hate all he wants to hate. Why not?

Edgy MD Aug 01 2022 03:23 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Because we have rules and we've been down that road ad nauseum.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 01 2022 03:26 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Edgy MD wrote: Because we have rules and we've been down that road ad nauseum. Oh. OK, then. I'll tell him not to hate Adams anymore.

MFS62 Aug 01 2022 03:30 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

From Jeff Passsan: Three-team trade! Full deal, according to sources. Houston gets: 1B/OF Trey Manicini and RHP Jayden Murray Baltimore gets: RHP Seth Johnson and Chayce McDermott Tampa Bay gets: CF Jose Siri And as for the Montas deal, the MFYs still have their two highly rated shortstop prospects (Volpe and Peraza) to use in other deal(s). Later

Edgy MD Aug 01 2022 03:57 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Nobody needs to not hate anybody, as much as I'd recommend that. But we've all had mothers, fathers, spouses, and schoolteachers, and we all know how to behave in groups. Let us all please refrain from dehumanizing rhetoric directed at fellow posters and classes of our fellow citizens, and let us refrain from bigotry. It's really easy, and if we won't or can't cooperate, there's a subforum where we can engage in all that. There are also massive stretches of the rest of the Internet. This is not that. Let's go, Mets.

Ceetar Aug 01 2022 04:06 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I've seen scores of posts in this very forum begging the Mets to wear the hats of an organization that kills black people, harasses homeless people, and pickets funerals, so spare me "time and place". How dare I use an negative adjective for an public official who recently publicly celebrated his fascist brutalization of homeless people. Unfortunately, he WOULD need to be involved in a Soto-led Mets World Series parade. But maybe they should just get a few relievers, anyone, do something productive.

smg58 Aug 01 2022 05:32 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=Ceetar post_id=101759 time=1659387327 user_id=102]Two years of Montas for only one top-100 guy might actually be a steal.

They paid a lot less than the Mariners did. Castillo is better though.

smg58 Aug 01 2022 05:35 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I would guess that the Yankees don't wish to part with their SS prospects after not going big in free agency because of them. Oh, the irony. How will their fans take it if Judge bolts for a different city? Or borough?

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 01 2022 05:47 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Boston Red Sox traded C Christian Vazquez to Houston.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2022 05:51 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=101786 time=1659397622 user_id=119] Boston Red Sox traded C Christian Vazquez to Houston.

And traded For Tommy Pham.

Houston's catchers can't hit a lick so it makes sense for them. Whether Boston intends to be a buyer or a seller this year is still up in the air. They're kind of in playoff contention no-man's-land.

MFS62 Aug 01 2022 05:57 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Oakland's top prospect is a catcher and their current starter, Sean Murphy, is having a pretty good year. (.238/.314/.423 with 12 HR and 41 RBI) From Keith Law's top 60: Shea Langeliers, C, Oakland A's Previous ranking: No. 80, now at 50 Langeliers is a power-over-hit guy who can really catch and throw, enough that he could probably play regularly for Oakland right now if it ends up trading Sean Murphy at some point – and he's quite similar to Murphy in skills and expected production. The best of the players coming back from Atlanta in the Matt Olson trade, Langeliers should be a 20-homer catcher who walks enough to make up for modest batting averages and adds value across the board with his defense. Just sayin'. Later

smg58 Aug 01 2022 06:18 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The Braves just tied up Austin Riley for 10 and 215. Because that's what teams who don't wish to be laughing stocks do.

smg58 Aug 01 2022 06:23 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I hope the A's trade Murphy because Langeliers is on my fantasy team. (So is Murphy, but something tells me Langeliers has the better bat.) I can't see the Mets trading for a catcher that is more than a two-month rental unless they trade Alvarez, but that would mean making one costly trade that necessitates making another one.

Ceetar Aug 01 2022 06:32 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=smg58 post_id=101794 time=1659399489 user_id=62] The Braves just tied up Austin Riley for 10 and 215. Because that's what teams who don't wish to be laughing stocks do.

Freddie?

Edgy MD Aug 01 2022 06:58 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Plenty of teams sign guys to long-term valuable contracts and fail. It totally happens. I find it hard to call a losing team a laughing stock. It's a closed system. There are always going to be as many losses as wins, even if everybody signs their Austin Riley.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2022 07:13 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The key, of course, is to pick the right guy(s) to bet on. The Braves right now have Olson, Riley, Albies and Acuna under lengthy deals. The Braves followed this same strategy once before but then reversed course part way through on the likes of Dan Uggla, Andrelton Simmons, Justin Upton, and one or two others.

nymr83 Aug 01 2022 07:34 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

So, umm, do we get a big acquisition? Still would love to see a reliever and a catcher. a starter would be nice too but less important as we are good there barring injury* *but umm its the Mets, an injury is likely to occur 5 minutes after the deadline. Oh, look who is pitching an hour after the deadline? assume he'll pitch 1 inning this year when approaching deadline deals.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2022 07:45 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I don't believe the that injuries and the Mets have a special relationship. It seems that the Mets have looked to the trade deadline to shore up their roster with redundancy rather than going for a splashy upgrade. In the meantime, the Mets led the league in ERA in July even without whatshisname, and they have no room on their roster for David Peterson. Catcher remains the best target for an upgrade, but the deal may not be there. Trades ain't everything.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2022 07:49 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I predict the Mets will add a two-time CY winner by tomorrow.

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 01 2022 07:56 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Frayed Knot wrote: I predict the Mets will add a two-time CY winner by tomorrow. And not give up a single prospect to get him!

G-Fafif Aug 01 2022 09:35 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Braves send Will Smith (the reliever, not the catcher nor the slapper) to Houston for starter Jake Odorizzi.

nymr83 Aug 01 2022 10:08 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I like that deal...for the Mets! Odirizzi doesn't worry me in a playoff series (does he even pitch in one?) while Smith was a very good reliever prior to this year,

Gwreck Aug 02 2022 12:17 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Still looking for two bullpen arms (even if Trevor May comes back healthy/productive). Whatcha got, Billy Eppler?

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 02 2022 04:09 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Braves also got Robbie Grossman from the Tigers.

Fman99 Aug 02 2022 05:28 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

White hot Braves still making deals to try and improve. Curious to see if the Mets make any more transactions before 6 PM today.

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 02 2022 05:52 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The Cubs' Contrares and Robertson still on the board? Martino says the Mets are talking with the Tigers for Andrew Chafin and Michael Fulmer.

bmfc1 Aug 02 2022 06:28 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Syndergaard might be traded. How about Noah + the difference between what the Mets were going to pay him and what LAA paid him for a middling prospect? He can pitch out the 'pen.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 06:55 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=101839 time=1659441121 user_id=119] The Cubs' Contrares and Robertson still on the board?

Do you suppose we could trade Pete Crow-Armstrong for one of those?

roger_that Aug 02 2022 07:01 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

What will it take to land Wilson Contreras at this point? Or is he off the table? What we need most of all is a slugging catcher, much more than bullpen help.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 07:18 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Contreras IS getting moved, there's no mystery to that. To where and for what is the question.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 07:25 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=101839 time=1659441121 user_id=119] Martino says the Mets are talking with the Tigers for Andrew Chafin and Michael Fulmer.

Still trying to add to the win column in the Cespedes trade.

At age 29, Fulmer has converted to a full time reliever at this point and has decent numbers this season.

Chafin's a lefty who's been a reliever all along [ARZ, CHC, OAK, DET] and is having a decent season as well.

smg58 Aug 02 2022 09:44 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The Orioles trade Jorge Lopez, a closer with a 1.68 ERA under control through 2024, to the Twins for 4 prospects, the highest of which is ranked 22 in the Twins' system. Did they think they were selling high? Also, why didn't the Mets beat that offer?

Methead Aug 02 2022 09:48 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Juan Soto and Josh Bell to the Padres appears to be done.

metsmarathon Aug 02 2022 09:53 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

woah.

smg58 Aug 02 2022 09:53 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=smg58 post_id=101860 time=1659455070 user_id=62] The Orioles trade Jorge Lopez, a closer with a 1.68 ERA under control through 2024, to the Twins for 4 prospects, the highest of which is ranked 22 in the Twins' system. Did they think they were selling high? Also, why didn't the Mets beat that offer?

To put that in perspective, the Braves shipped Will Smith, a former closer with a club option for 2023 performing at a sub-replacement level this season, to the Astros for a legitimate fifth starter in Jake Odorizzi.

smg58 Aug 02 2022 10:01 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=Methead post_id=101861 time=1659455335 user_id=61] Juan Soto and Josh Bell to the Padres appears to be done.

A sad day for Nationals fans. A great day for Padres fans tired of looking up at the Dodgers.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 10:13 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=smg58 post_id=101864 time=1659456069 user_id=62] =Methead post_id=101861 time=1659455335 user_id=61] Juan Soto and Josh Bell to the Padres appears to be done.

A sad day for Nationals fans. A great day for Padres fans tired of looking up at the Dodgers.


And a good next two days for us.

Gwreck Aug 02 2022 10:15 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

No excuse to not have a no-hitter tonight. (Combined. I get that deGrom still has a pitch limit)

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2022 10:16 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Well, maybe he'll get through the Nationals lineup in 27 pitches.

Ceetar Aug 02 2022 10:20 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

still waiting on Eric Hosmer's approval of the trade actually. Maybe the Mets can still swoop in and three-way deal this thing.

smg58 Aug 02 2022 10:29 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 02 2022 11:13 AM

Yeah, the NATIONALS are taking on the undesirable contract to make this deal work. Edgy, is there something wrong with the air in the Baltimore/DC area that their general managers are running their teams like fifth graders in a Strat-o-Matic league with high schoolers?

Gwreck Aug 02 2022 10:36 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Wonder what Hosmer would be able to extract for waiving the no-trade clause. $5M? $10M? $20M?

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2022 10:44 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Hosmer really has a lot of leverage here.

metsmarathon Aug 02 2022 10:47 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

i don't get at all why the nats would take hos and effectively give away bell. only plausible explanation is that there's somehow "value" to having a guy on contract, instead of the uncertainty of a pending free agent. when, like, selling a team, of course. there's no baseball sense to it.

Gwreck Aug 02 2022 10:49 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

It depends a bit on the deal parameters. If San Diego was going to eat the contract (or part of it), then at some point they could just release Hosmer. If the point was to get money off the books, well, paying Hosmer $30M to waive the no-trade is still some salary relief (he's owed $39M for 2023-25 plus balance of this year).

metsmarathon Aug 02 2022 10:54 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

ah... it does actually look, according to rumors on mlb tv, like SD is paying the last three years on hos. so yeah, there's value there of course!

Edgy MD Aug 02 2022 11:45 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=smg58 post_id=101870 time=1659457745 user_id=62]Edgy, is there something wrong with the air in the Baltimore/DC area that their general managers are running their teams like fifth graders in a Strat-o-Matic league with high schoolers?

bmfc can tell you more about the air. It's certainly hot and sticky.



Did somebody say that San Diego sent Washington hos? That's so degrading.

MFS62 Aug 02 2022 11:50 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Edgy MD wrote: Did somebody say that San Diego sent Washington hos? That's so degrading. Not if you're Matt Gaetz. BA DA BUM! Now, back to baseball. Like Michael Jackson wore one glove, Mets catchers carry a bat - for no apparent reason. Alvarez isn't ready, so I hope they can get a catcher who can hit by the deadline today. Later

seawolf17 Aug 02 2022 12:24 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

As much as I like to see the Nationals get worse, I *also* get to watch their AAA team every night, so having a bunch of top prospects who may or may not pan out is kind of exciting.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2022 12:29 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Reports say that Hosmer has rejected the trade, but it's expected to go through without him.

kcmets Aug 02 2022 12:30 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

MLB Channel says a source says Hosmer to Red Sox.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 12:35 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Joey Gallo to the Dodgers 'pending physicals'. That's crazy!

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 12:39 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

OMG! Steve Phillips is once again (still?) on MLBN. Hadn't seen/heard from him in years.

kcmets Aug 02 2022 12:41 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I almost didn't recognize him when he was on High Heat earlier. Supposedly he an MLB 'radio' show which I was not aware of.

metsmarathon Aug 02 2022 12:42 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

steve phillips has been doing the morning drive show on the mlb radio sirius/xm channel for a long time. gotta say, i rather enjoy him there.

kcmets Aug 02 2022 12:45 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Wasn't being negative, he seems to know his shit this afternoon.

smg58 Aug 02 2022 12:48 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Hosmer wound up going to the Red Sox (a team NOT on his no-trade list), so presumably the Padres and Nationals can now get around to finalize this. Or, the Nationals have used the delay to figure out that they are setting their franchise back for a decade and they probably shouldn't do that.

Willets Point Aug 02 2022 01:02 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Hos to Bos.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 01:27 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

It's unclear to me whether including Hosmer in the deal was supposed to be for the benefit of the Pads or the Nats? He's having a nice year but is aging, expensive, and likely to get worse by the time the Nats get better. From SD's perspective, it's future payroll relief in anticipation of what Soto will command in the near future but how much if they were eating a big chuck of it? The two sides will tweak the deal somehow but it'll be a side issue at this point. In the meantime, he may not hit many HRs in Boston (very high GB rate) but has the kind of LH swing that'll pepper the Green Monster.

nymr83 Aug 02 2022 01:30 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Frayed Knot wrote: It's unclear to me whether including Hosmer in the deal was supposed to be for the benefit of the Pads or the Nats? He's having a nice year but is aging, expensive, and likely to get worse by the time the Nats get better. From SD's perspective, it's future payroll relief in anticipation of what Soto will command in the near future but how much if they were eating a big chuck of it? The two sides will tweak the deal somehow but it'll be a side issue at this point. In the meantime, he may not hit many HRs in Boston (very high GB rate) but has the kind of LH swing that'll pepper the Green Monster. I think from the Nats perspective, if SD was paying most of his salary, they would be getting a reasonably costed veteran who maybe could turn things around an provide trade value later, as long as they had nobody else more deserving of the ABs

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 01:34 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Marlins trade Pop and Bass (but not Jazz) across the border in what I assume is a U.S./Canadian cultural music exchange program.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2022 02:24 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

David Robertson, who the Mets were rumored to be targeting, goes from the Cubs to the Phillies. No word on Willson Contreras yet.

smg58 Aug 02 2022 02:33 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The Phillies had to give up their 26th best prospect to get Robertson. We gave up at least one better prospect for the difference between Darrin Ruf and J. D. Davis.

seawolf17 Aug 02 2022 02:42 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

What a flop this deadline is turning out to be for us. I don't know if Eppler just overplayed his hand or what, but jeez.

MFS62 Aug 02 2022 03:10 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Tick tock Tick tock One hour to go. Later

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 03:10 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Heyman: 'Mets don't see a likelihood for a Contreras trade'

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 03:34 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

MLBN: Possible trade of Noah Syndergaard down to two teams, Jays, Phillies

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 02 2022 03:49 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Michael Fullmer to the Twins.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 03:55 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 02 2022 03:56 PM

Jayson Stark: Phils trade Mickey Moniak (former 1/1 draft pick) plus another prospect for ... Noah Syndergaard.

kcmets Aug 02 2022 03:56 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Noah to Phillies seems a done deal according to a few places.

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 02 2022 03:58 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The Mets have agreed to a trade that'll net them right-handed reliever Mychal Givens from the Cubs, SNY's Andy Martino tweets. (Per trade rumors)

MFS62 Aug 02 2022 04:00 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Can Patrick Mazieka exhale yet? Later

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 02 2022 04:05 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Martino saying Familia is leaving the Phils, but not saying if traded or DFAed. The Royals have traded Whit Merrifield to the Blue Jays.

Lefty Specialist Aug 02 2022 04:10 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Looks like the Mets lost the trade deadline this year. Nothing of significance acquired. Padres will be flipping dangerous in October.

TransMonk Aug 02 2022 04:14 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Yeah, I'm still deeply worried about any current Met playing catcher. I thought one of the perks of the DH in the NL is that we could avoid giant black holes in the lineup.

seawolf17 Aug 02 2022 04:28 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Man, we fucked this up badly. Ugh.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 04:34 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Yanx surprisingly deal away starting LH pitcher Jordan Montgomery. Not that Montgomery is super great but that they don't have a ton of depth there even with the addition of Montas. Apparently the return if CF defensive whiz Harrison Bader. That allows them to move Judge away from CF and pretty much pushes the other Aaron, Hicks, to the bench (or out) although Bader is currently injured so not immediately.

MFS62 Aug 02 2022 04:55 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Frayed Knot wrote: Yanx surprisingly deal away starting LH pitcher Jordan Montgomery. Not that Montgomery is super great but that they don't have a ton of depth there even with the addition of Montas. (Unfortunately) listening to some WFAN guy a few days ago, he said that Montgomery pitched well the first month of the season and his numbers got worse each succeeding month. I guess they decided to walk away from the table while they were ahead. Later

Edgy MD Aug 02 2022 05:16 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I think we're prematurely scoring the trade deadline.

DocTee Aug 02 2022 05:32 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The Phillies got better. Robertson, Syndergaard and Marsh are all improvements. And they're getting Harper back soon too, no? Bader to the Yankees is a homecoming in that he is a local kid (Bronx)

smg58 Aug 02 2022 08:39 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=101959 time=1659477494 user_id=119] The Mets have agreed to a trade that'll net them right-handed reliever Mychal Givens from the Cubs, SNY's Andy Martino tweets. (Per trade rumors)

I'd like this deal if Givens were the third reliever we picked up. Getting pen help is easy this time of year, or at least should be. I don't understand the caution with the pen while overpaying for a mild upgrade in the short half of a DH platoon.



I got the impression that the Cubs were asking too much for Contreras -- to the point where they got nothing. I'm kind of OK with that though. Alvarez is doing better at AAA than most people realize (a .789 OPS despite a sub-.200 BABIP is actually impressive in a good way). He'll be fine, and we'll see him before the month is out.

Frayed Knot Aug 07 2022 05:21 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

The appearance of Racial Iglesies the other night (game 2 of the ATL series) reminded me that one of the guys the Braves traded to get him was RH reliever Jesse Chavez. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Chavez is one of those spare parts, one who'll turn 39 in a few week, but he's also one who's lasted 15 seasons (and counting) in the majors. He's now pitched for nine teams (not a record) including several of them twice, including the Braves three times, and appeared in over 100 games for just one of them (OAK, 101). And the only reason I'm noting him here is that this was the ninth time he's been traded in his career. Not the ninth time he's been moved, just the ninth via a trade in which he had no control including the second time this season alone. There were other transactions as well: he's been flat-out purchased once; selected off waivers once; grantees free agency five times; signed as a free agent six times; released once. Below is his full transactions resume (trades in red). Not sure if veteran character actor James Hong has a resume much longer than this one for Chavez. That's a lot of packing suitcases for not quite 20 years of base-balling. June 5, 2001: Drafted by the Chicago Cubs in the 39th round of the 2001 amateur draft, but did not sign. June 4, 2002: Drafted by the Texas Rangers in the 42nd round of the 2002 amateur draft. Player signed May 17, 2003. July 31, 2006: Traded by the Texas Rangers to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Kip Wells. November 3, 2009: Traded by the Pittsburgh Pirates to the Tampa Bay Rays for Akinori Iwamura. December 11, 2009: Traded by the Tampa Bay Rays to the Atlanta Braves for Rafael Soriano. July 31, 2010: Traded by the Atlanta Braves with Gregor Blanco and Tim Collins to the Kansas City Royals for Rick Ankiel and Kyle Farnsworth. October 21, 2011: Selected off waivers by the Toronto Blue Jays from the Kansas City Royals. August 24, 2012: Purchased by the Oakland Athletics from the Toronto Blue Jays. November 20, 2015: Traded by the Oakland Athletics to the Toronto Blue Jays for Liam Hendriks. August 1, 2016: Traded by the Toronto Blue Jays to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Mike Bolsinger. November 3, 2016: Granted Free Agency. November 14, 2016: Signed as a Free Agent with the Los Angeles Angels. November 2, 2017: Granted Free Agency. February 23, 2018: Signed as a Free Agent with the Texas Rangers. July 19, 2018: Traded by the Texas Rangers to the Chicago Cubs for Tyler Thomas (minors). October 29, 2018: Granted Free Agency. November 30, 2018: Signed as a Free Agent with the Texas Rangers. October 28, 2020: Granted Free Agency. February 25, 2021: Signed as a Free Agent with the Los Angeles Angels. March 25, 2021: Released by the Los Angeles Angels. April 17, 2021: Signed as a Free Agent with the Atlanta Braves. November 3, 2021: Granted Free Agency. March 14, 2022: Signed as a Free Agent with the Chicago Cubs. April 21, 2022: Traded by the Chicago Cubs with cash to the Atlanta Braves for Sean Newcomb. August 2, 2022: Traded by the Atlanta Braves with Tucker Davidson to the Los Angeles Angels for Raisel Iglesias.

MFS62 Aug 07 2022 07:11 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

WOW! At least he knows how to pack a suitcase. But these interest me: February 23, 2018: Signed as a Free Agent with the Texas Rangers. July 19, 2018: Traded by the Texas Rangers to the Chicago Cubs for Tyler Thomas (minors). and March 14, 2022: Signed as a Free Agent with the Chicago Cubs. April 21, 2022: Traded by the Chicago Cubs with cash to the Atlanta Braves for Sean Newcomb. I thought part of the CBA says you can't trade a signed free agent during his first year. Has this changed? Or somebody overlooked those deals saying, well, its only him? (j/k) Later

seawolf17 Aug 07 2022 07:16 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I think it's only in the first year of multi-year deals.

roger_that Aug 07 2022 07:53 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=smg58 post_id=102066 time=1659494391 user_id=62] Alvarez is doing better at AAA than most people realize (a .789 OPS despite a sub-.200 BABIP is actually impressive in a good way). He'll be fine, and we'll see him before the month is out.

This is the most interesting part of the Mets' gamble, to me. Not only not overpaying for a catcher at a time when they could really use a good one, but rolling the dice on Alvarez being able to help them sooner rather than later. If they picked up two months' worth of Contreras at a cost of several years of Alvarez, then Alvarez would really have to stink over his early career for that trade to look good. I'm hoping they promote him in a few weeks to get some MLB ABs and to catch in blowouts, pinch hit for Nido, etc. If the Mets were out of contention, I'd say bring him up now and throw him in the deep end of the pool.

MFS62 Aug 07 2022 08:27 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=seawolf17 post_id=102772 time=1659878197 user_id=91] I think it's only in the first year of multi-year deals.

The more I think about it, there's also the case where the team offers the player a choice of being traded or released.



Later

Willets Point Aug 07 2022 09:14 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Frayed Knot wrote: The appearance of Racial Iglesies the other night An impressive typo to get both of Raisel Iglesias names wrong!

roger_that Aug 07 2022 10:30 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Willets Point wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: The appearance of Racial Iglesies the other night An impressive typo to get both of Raisel Iglesias names wrong! My ex-grandmother-in-law's first name was Raisel, the Yiddish diminutive of "Rose." I don't guess that's how he got his name. And naturally, in pointing out Frayed Knot's typo, you manage to commit one yourself, leaving out the apostrophe in Iglesias' name.

Willets Point Aug 07 2022 10:49 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I generally don't point out typos unless they're funny. "Racial" amused me because it has another meaning that would make a strange name for a person. "Iglesies" was just the icing on the cake. And yes, I'm terrible with apostrophes, especially when it's a word that ends with an "s" possessive.

Frayed Knot Aug 07 2022 05:47 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

@$#%& auto-correct!!

Ceetar Aug 07 2022 06:27 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I know he was on the injured list, but would've been interesting to see if the Mets tried to trade McCann. THAT would've been a bold commitment.

Edgy MD Aug 07 2022 08:20 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

Players on the Injured List can now be traded.

Ceetar Aug 07 2022 08:37 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

sure, but it certainly hurts their trade value when they suck AND are injured.

smg58 Aug 08 2022 08:21 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

It will be easier to trade McCann in the offseason, although the deal may be of the "eat 80% or more of the salary and take a low-A reliever" variety.

smg58 Aug 08 2022 08:29 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

As for Dom Smith... I don't see how he avoids getting non-tendered at this point. I'd have thought, since he's re-habbing, that somebody might have been willing to take a stab at him for the remaining six weeks or so (assuming the Mets eat his contract for the remainder of this year) and see if he shows signs of life with full-time play (sort of a lease with an option to buy), but I guess nothing worked out.

Ceetar Aug 08 2022 11:33 AM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

=smg58 post_id=102906 time=1659968954 user_id=62] As for Dom Smith... I don't see how he avoids getting non-tendered at this point. I'd have thought, since he's re-habbing, that somebody might have been willing to take a stab at him for the remaining six weeks or so (assuming the Mets eat his contract for the remainder of this year) and see if he shows signs of life with full-time play (sort of a lease with an option to buy), but I guess nothing worked out.

Did the Mets try? I admit I don't follow much of the rumor-mongers, so maybe something slipped by, but I'm not sure they tried to make any of these other machinations that might have helped.

smg58 Aug 09 2022 07:57 PM Re: Trade deadline transactions 2022

I don't know how hard the Mets tried, to be honest.