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The Mets Are Getting Ruf

bmfc1 Aug 02 2022 01:44 PM Edited 5 time(s), most recently on Aug 02 2022 02:18 PM

Darren Ruf, from SF for JD Davis and prospects. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1554554799898632194[/TWEET] Ruf has an .886 OPS vs lefties this season. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darin_Ruf https://www.fangraphs.com/players/darin-ruf/9929/stats?position=1B/OF https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rufda01.shtml Negative defensive WAR. It looks like Vogelbach and Ruf will platoon at DH. I have faith in Billy and Buck but is Ruf worth JD + 3 prospects? [TWEET]https://twitter.com/Jacob_Resnick/status/1554555392969039872[/TWEET] [BLOCKQUOTE]Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 In 268 PAs since May 1, Darin Ruf: has slashline of: .286/.396/.529-.924OPS. 27 extra-base hits, including 13 HRs. #Mets[/BLOCKQUOTE]

Willets Point Aug 02 2022 01:46 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

I feel like we have a lot of First Basemen.

Ceetar Aug 02 2022 01:47 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

J.D. Davis is better than Darren Ruf.

kcmets Aug 02 2022 01:49 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

My initial gut reaction is --- booo!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2022 01:53 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

The nice thing about Darin Ruf is that he's seven years older than J.D. Davis. I haven't been this excited since the Mets got Michael Cuddyer.

Lefty Specialist Aug 02 2022 01:54 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Um, this is a stupid trade. Ruf is just JD Davis, basically. And they throw in everything else too?

Gwreck Aug 02 2022 01:55 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Ruf is signed through 2023 with a club option for 2024. This trade seems…odd.

seawolf17 Aug 02 2022 01:56 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

The fuck?

Willets Point Aug 02 2022 01:56 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

I see people on Twitter saying this makes a good DH platoon of Ruf & Vogelbach, but nevertheless it still feels like another transaction has to happen to make this make sense.

Ceetar Aug 02 2022 01:58 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

sure, he can murder lefties/sinkers pretty well, and that's a good skillset to have. But that's only marginally better than what you had in Davis AND you gave up prospects for him and tepidly committed to him for next year too.

bmfc1 Aug 02 2022 02:04 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Tim Britton in The Athletic: [BLOCKQUOTE]Why Darin Ruf makes sense for Mets Since their acquisition of Daniel Vogelbach 10 days ago, the Mets have been looking for a right-handed hitter to platoon with him at DH. Darin Ruf fits the bill, having made a career out of mashing left-handed pitchers. Ruf's career OPS versus southpaws is .929; it's .886 this season. J.D. Davis was supposed to fill that role himself, but he's shown reverse splits ever since 2019 and has struggled regardless of pitcher handedness this year. The Mets are taking a quantity approach with their prospect package, including pitchers Thomas Szapucki, Nick Zwack and Carson Seymour. Szapucki will be out of options next spring and New York recently moved him to the bullpen. Zwack and Seymour were draft picks last summer.[/BLOCKQUOTE]

Centerfield Aug 02 2022 02:07 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Darin fucking Ruf? WTF.

MFS62 Aug 02 2022 02:09 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 02 2022 02:12 PM

Willets Point wrote: I see people on Twitter saying this makes a good DH platoon of Ruf & Vogelbach, but nevertheless it still feels like another transaction has to happen to make this make sense. This. I had a flashback to when they added players to the Nolan Ryan trade. JD for this guy should have been enough. The title of the thread should have been the Mets Got Run Ruf-shod Over. Later

Gwreck Aug 02 2022 02:11 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

=Ceetar post_id=101906 time=1659470310 user_id=102] sure, he can murder lefties/sinkers pretty well, and that's a good skillset to have. But that's only marginally better than what you had in Davis AND you gave up prospects for him and tepidly committed to him for next year too.

Ruf is signed for $3M next year and $3.5M option for 2024. That's not really any different than what Davis would get in his next two arbitration years. And is a negligible cost generally for this team.



Davis hasn't shown an ability to hit lefties recently:

.660 OPS 2022

.687 OPS 2021

.771 OPS 2020

.913 OPS 2019



But even so…not sure this was the best deal.

metsmarathon Aug 02 2022 02:17 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

i'm not loving this. not hating it exactly, because i think the only people in baseball who still loved jd davis were mets fans dreaming about trading him for other teams' stars. but still... otoh, i do like the potential platoon dh we've built here in rufelbach. now go turn dom smith into willson contreras, damnit.

Marshmallowmilkshake Aug 02 2022 02:20 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Sure does seem like we overpaid.

Willets Point Aug 02 2022 02:21 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Willets Point wrote: I see people on Twitter saying this makes a good DH platoon of Ruf & Vogelbach, but nevertheless it still feels like another transaction has to happen to make this make sense. This. I had a flashback to when they added players to the Nolan Ryan trade. JD for this guy should have been enough. The title of the thread should have been the Mets Got Run Ruf-shod Over. Later I didn't know there were high-rated prospects in the trade when I wrote this so I don't know if it will ever make sense.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2022 02:21 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Sorry to see that Nick Zwack was included.

roger_that Aug 02 2022 02:26 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Y' know, every now and then I think you might like to hear something from us Nice and easy But there's just one thing You see we never ever do nothing Nice and easy We always do it nice and Ruf!

smg58 Aug 02 2022 02:29 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Ruf has been a better hitter than Davis the last three seasons, especially against lefties, so there's some logic to it. But throwing in prospects for a platoon DH who's a bit better than Davis? I don't get that at all.

roger_that Aug 02 2022 02:32 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

It's that tasty .929 career OPS vs. lefties that did it. The Mets were getting tired of waiting for J.D. Davis to get hot. Time's a-wasting.

MFS62 Aug 02 2022 02:33 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

=roger_that post_id=101916 time=1659472004 user_id=128] Y' know, every now and then I think you might like to hear something from us Nice and easy But there's just one thing You see we never ever do nothing Nice and easy We always do it nice and Ruf!

Are you saying we just got smacked around like Tina?

Later

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 02:50 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

This is always the conundrum of trading deadline day. Fans scream 'DO SOMETHING ... DO SOMETHING' and then the team does something and we change to 'NOT THAT!!!!'

kcmets Aug 02 2022 02:58 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Right, and they're* the same people who yell for trading prospects for proven upgrades and then complain we have no farm system come winter. *(we're)

Gwreck Aug 02 2022 03:09 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Frayed Knot wrote: This is always the conundrum of trading deadline day. Fans scream 'DO SOMETHING ... DO SOMETHING' and then the team does something and we change to 'NOT THAT!!!!' I don't see a conundrum, especially because nobody is blindly screaming “do something.” (Or if they are, no one should listen to them). The point is to make good moves and this…doesn't look like a great one: an uncertain upgrade at a high price.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 03:19 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Oh I think, DO SOMETHING! is the prevailing attitude at just about every trade deadline. And, while I don't necessarily think that the F.O. is listening to impatient fans, I believe the sense that some deal being preferable to no deal is a common one because to do otherwise is to invite the criticism that you didn't care or didn't try. And thus we wind up with Pete Crow-Armstrong for two months of Javy Baez, or a slew of bodies for a marginal upgrade in the RH DH spot, and fewer bullets in the gun going forward for when a real upgrade comes along.

Edgy MD Aug 02 2022 03:25 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

I certainly agree with that. Trade envy is an unhealthy condition. One problem with assessing deadline deals is that prospect rankings at this time of the year are based on incomplete data. The two prospects the Mets gave up for Naquin (José Acuña and Hector Rodriguez) are mostly unknown, but they were crushing it in the lower minors. That could be the last we ever hear of them, or prospect watchers may finish comparing notes and chatting up scouts this offseason, and they're going to shoot into the team's top ten. Same with ZWACK! He's a 2021 draft pick who had been lighting up Brooklyn (which ain't the low minors no more) and surely would have seen some ranking upgrades this offseason.

roger_that Aug 02 2022 03:26 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 02 2022 03:39 PM

an uncertain upgrade at a high price. It's obviously a RIGHT NOW!!! move. If it doesn't get the Mets deep into the post-season, it's a bad move, but if Ruf gets hot and wins us a few games we otherwise would have lost and we end up playing in early November, no one remembers or cares. And the difference between Ruf's OPS vs lefties and Davis's this season is on the positive side of "uncertain." No guarantees, but it looks to be as certain as things get in baseball. The age-difference doesn't mean so much these days. Being younger doesn't matter if you have the older one under contract for longer than you have the younger one. Davis is signed through 2025, Ruf through 2024.

Bunt the First Two Aug 02 2022 03:38 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

I'll always remember and care 　I promise I'll stay quite aware 　Ruf may rear back and hack 　But forget Davis and Zwack? 　T'would be heartless and cold and unfair 　A betrayal unthinkable 　Of faith thought unsinkable 　A quaff most undrinkable 　I promise I'll never go there

batmagadanleadoff Aug 02 2022 03:39 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

On BBref's similarity scores, Ruf's second closest similar comp is... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dom Smith.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 02 2022 03:40 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Bunt the First Two wrote: 　I'll always remember and care 　I promise I'll stay quite aware 　Ruf may rear back and hack 　But forget Davis and Zwack? 　T'would be heartless and cold and unfair 　A betrayal unthinkable 　Of faith thought unsinkable 　A quaff most undrinkable 　I promise I'll never go there [FIMG=444]https://media4.giphy.com/media/yoJC2zaL8rjObZVXPi/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611579702ac8e13fc0d3a980910aafd1b7402582c1e&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g[/FIMG]

nymr83 Aug 02 2022 03:48 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

How is Dom Smith still a Met? between Vogelbauch and Ruf (and even Naquin) where is the role for him outside of Syracuse?

seawolf17 Aug 02 2022 03:48 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Isn't he still hurt?

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2022 03:49 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

=roger_that post_id=101942 time=1659475581 user_id=128] It's obviously a RIGHT NOW!!! move. If it doesn't get the Mets deep into the post-season, it's a bad move, but if Ruf gets hot and wins us a few games we otherwise would have lost and we end up playing in early November, no one remembers or cares.

That's the upside obviously, although there still needs to be a cap on that sort of thinking.

The brief bit I heard from Steve Phillips earlier had him talking about his philosophy was that if a deal at the deadline could make his team even one game better

he felt it was worth going for it. He also was notoriously dismissive of prospects to the point where, according to Keith Law who was working for the Blue Jays at

the time and swears he was in the room to overhear the proceedings, Phillips offered up the then-young David Wright as a throw-in to a deal. Don't remember

now who the potential deal was for and it didn't happen for reasons unrelated to Wright, but the point is that that one or two games improvement thing has a

downside as well as an up.

Ceetar Aug 02 2022 03:58 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

=nymr83 post_id=101952 time=1659476893 user_id=54] How is Dom Smith still a Met? between Vogelbauch and Ruf (and even Naquin) where is the role for him outside of Syracuse?

because he's not good and no one wants him.

Edgy MD Aug 02 2022 04:23 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

=nymr83 post_id=101952 time=1659476893 user_id=54] How is Dom Smith still a Met? between Vogelbauch and Ruf (and even Naquin) where is the role for him outside of Syracuse?

Being on the injured list is his role right now.

Fman99 Aug 03 2022 05:41 AM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Darin Ruf is basically JD Davis if JD Davis was better at being JD Davis. He's also forever in my brain the guy that just forgot to finish spelling his own dumb names.

G-Fafif Aug 03 2022 11:34 AM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

Ruf is getting Davis's 28.

Edgy MD Aug 03 2022 12:25 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

One-number trades can be some serious shit.

Edgy MD Aug 06 2022 08:00 PM Re: The Mets Are Getting Ruf

How did we not name this thread "Ruf Trade"?